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Title: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: Wizdom on January 28, 2013, 10:19:10 am
As-Salamu 'Alaykum, brother Osama Abdallah. I was wondering if you can tell me where the "Heart of the earth" is.

For example, in this article: http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/jesuscrucified.htm (http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/jesuscrucified.htm) it says the "Heart of the earth"

is Mecca, but in this article: http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/crucifixion_of_judas.htm (http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/crucifixion_of_judas.htm)

on your website, it says the "Heart of the earth" is Sychar in Samaria. So I just wanted to know which one it is, because I could see why it could be Mecca. And I could see why it could be Sychar in Samaria. I just wanted to know your thoughts on where the "Heart of the earth" might be, Jazak'Allah Khair P.S. I'm also palestinian. :)
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 31, 2013, 10:16:21 am
As-Salamu 'Alaykum, brother Osama Abdallah. I was wondering if you can tell me where the "Heart of the earth" is.

For example, in this article: http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/jesuscrucified.htm (http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/jesuscrucified.htm) it says the "Heart of the earth"

is Mecca, but in this article: http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/crucifixion_of_judas.htm (http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/crucifixion_of_judas.htm)

on your website, it says the "Heart of the earth" is Sychar in Samaria. So I just wanted to know which one it is, because I could see why it could be Mecca. And I could see why it could be Sychar in Samaria. I just wanted to know your thoughts on where the "Heart of the earth" might be, Jazak'Allah Khair P.S. I'm also palestinian. :)
 
 

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Tariq,

Sorry for not being able to reply back earlier.  The heart of the earth akhi is the cave (like any bear's or moutain lion's cave) that Jesus Christ was placed in after the alleged crucifixion.  In fact, the New Testament say it was a roomy cave, and it belong to a rich man.  Christ was placed there in the cave, and above ground (he was never burried), and received medical treatment and massaging by Mary Magdalene and others, according to the New Testament's accounts themselves.  This is also where Jesus became a Messiah according to Christians.  He got annointed (rubbed with oil as this is the Jewish tradition of choosing a king) while in the cave, and from there he became the Messiah (King of the Jews).

Jesus Christ never died.  He was always alive and remained alive even after the alleged crucifixion.  No resurrection happened.  The Bible's use of "Rose from the Dead" is a symbolic term that means he didn't die, and that he defeated death by remaining alive.  The Old Testament has also a RISING FROM THE DEAD incident also between Abraham and Isaac, peace be upon them.  Yet, Isaac was never crucified nor died when he "ROSE FROM THE DEAD".

For ample more details, quotes and proofs, visit: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: Wizdom on January 31, 2013, 11:51:53 pm
Masha'Allah, Jazak'Allah Khair Akhi
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: Wizdom on February 04, 2013, 03:34:37 am
I would like to know more about this articles in the links I posted above, Jazak'Allah Khair
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: Wizdom on February 11, 2013, 11:03:18 am
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Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: jesus.breadoflife on February 11, 2013, 04:32:03 pm
Dear brother,

When the Bible says heart of the earth, it does not mean a cave.

Mathew 12:40  is the verse we refer to.
40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The heart of the earth is synonymous to deep parts of the earth or the nether regions.

Ephesians 4:8-9
8 This is why it[a] says:
"When he ascended on high,
    he took many captives
    and gave gifts to his people."
 9 (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions


This shows that Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth to preach the good news to the people who died under the law so that he was able to take those who were waiting for redemption to Heaven with Him.

1 Peter 4:6
For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.

God bless you all.
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: adnaanshaikh195 on February 11, 2013, 07:05:45 pm
Dear brother,

When the Bible says heart of the earth, it does not mean a cave.

Mathew 12:40  is the verse we refer to.
40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The heart of the earth is synonymous to deep parts of the earth or the nether regions.

Ephesians 4:8-9
8 This is why it[a] says:
"When he ascended on high,
    he took many captives
    and gave gifts to his people."
 9 (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions


This shows that Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth to preach the good news to the people who died under the law so that he was able to take those who were waiting for redemption to Heaven with Him.

1 Peter 4:6
For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.

God bless you all.
 
 

The author of 'Matthew' is unknown.

Secondly, any 5 year old can do the Math and work out that from Friday night to sunday morning is not 3 days/3 nights!

The miracle of Jonah was that he was alive for 3 days and 3 nights!

The following is taken from:  http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/signofjonah.html


If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb as he himself had foretold! But Christianity hangs on the flimsy thread of the death" of Jesus for its salvation. So it has to answer that Jesus was DEAD for three days and three nights. The contradiction  between  his utterance and its fulfilment is obvious. Jonah ALIVE, Jesus DEAD! Very UNLIKE Jonah! Jesus had said "LIKE Jonah" not UNLIKE Jonah. If this is true then according to his own test Jesus is not the TRUE Messiah of the Jews. If the Gospel record is genuine then how can we blame the Jews for rejecting "CHRIST".   

THREE AND THREE = 72 HOURS?   

The Doctor of Divinity and the Professor of Theology replies that in Matthew 12:40 under discussion, the emphasis is on the TIME factor - "as Jonas was THREE days and THREE nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be THREE days and THREE nights in the heart of the earth." "Please note," says the learned theologian, "that the word "THREE" is repeated F-O-U-R times in this verse to prove that Jesus was going to fulfil the prophecy as regards the length of time he was going to remain in the tomb, and NOT 'As Jonas was' in relation to his being alive or dead. If it is the time factor that Jesus was stressing then let us ask whether he fulfilled that aspect of his promise to the Jews as well. The Christian dogmatist answers: "OF COURSE!"   

PUBLIC HOLIDAY   

The question arises: when was Christ crucified? The whole Christian world answers: "FRIDAY!" Is this the reason we celebrate "Good Friday" - as a Public Holiday in every Christian nation from America to Zambia, from Abyssinia to Zaire at Easter? What makes Good Friday" so good? "it is the death of Christ on the Cross on this day to wash off our sins," says the Christians. So he was killed on the cross on a Friday, 19xx years ago? "YES!" says the Christians. From the Gospel records we gather that the Jews were in a hurry to eliminate Jesus. Hence the midnight trial, and then dispatching  him off to Pilate in the morning; from Pilate to Herod and then back again to Pilate. The vested interests were afraid of the general public. Jesus was their hero. He had been their benefactor. His enemies had to do away with him quickly, and succeeded in doing so. However, as much as they were in a hurry to hang him on the cross, they were in equal hurry to bring him down from the cross before sunset on Friday because of the Sabbath. The Sabbath starts at about 6 p.m. on Friday and the Jews were warned in Deuteronomy 21:23 that the victim of crucifixion was an "accursed of God" and was not to be permitted to remain hanging on the Sabbath day, "that thy land be not defiled which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance."

To satisfy the religious scruples of the Scribes and Pharisees the "secret disciples" of Jesus took down the body from the cross. They gave the body the Jewish burial-bath, plastered it with "one hundred pounds weight of aaloes and myrrh" (John 19:39), then placed the shrouded body into the sepulcher before night-fall.   

WHY "SUPPOSED"?   

There are numerous differences between the various sects and denominations of Christianity, but on the above they are unanimous. Jesus is SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Friday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the day of Saturday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Saturday. Christians agree whole-heartedly with this. It will be noted that I have repeated the word 'SUPPOSED' three times. The reason is that the Gospels are silent as to when exactly Jesus came out of the tomb. He could have been taken away on Friday night by his "secret disciples"  to  a  more congenial and restful place, but I have no right to assume about what the Gospel writers are silent. I have, therefore, repeated the word 'SUPPOSED' three times.   

In the final analysis, let us see whether Jesus was THREE days and THREE nights in the tomb:-

EASTER WEEK

IN THE SEPULCHER

 

DAYS

NIGHTS

FRIDAY - placed in tomb just before sunset

- nil -

One night

SATURDAY - supposed to be in tomb

One day

One night

SUNDAY - missing before sunrise

- nil -

- nil -

TOTAL

One Day

Two Nights


You will no doubt note that the GRAND TOTAL is ONE day and TWO nights, and NOT three days and three nights. According to the Christian Scriptures Jesus had failed a SECOND time. FIRST he was unlike Jonah, who was ALIVE in the belly of the fish, which is the exact opposite of what the Christians claim had happened to their master Jesus, who was DEAD for the same period of time as Jonah was - ALIVE. 
SECONDLY, we discover that he also failed to fulfill the TIME FACTOR as well. The greatest mathematician in Christendom will fail to obtain the desired result - THREE days and THREE nights. We must not forget that the Gospels are explicit in telling us that it was "before sunrise" on Sunday morning (the FIRST day of the week), that Mary Magdalene went to the tomb of Jesus and found it empty.   

(Taken from http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/signofjonah.html)

Jesus was NOT crucified.
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: Mujahid Saifullah on February 11, 2013, 07:19:12 pm
If you go to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jesus_Christ) you will find they cite 5 (non-Christian) references which supposedly prove that 'Isa was crucified. Someone should refute the claim.
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: jesus.breadoflife on February 12, 2013, 11:37:29 am
Dear brother adnaanshaikh195,

To start with, I do not believe in Easter. Nor do I celebrate Good Friday, Easter Sunday or even Christmas. They are traditions which are followed by men and not condoned by God as said in the Bible:

Mark 7:6-8
6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are merely human rules.’
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
 


The following link offers an explanation which is based more on the Bible. http://www.bible-truth.org/WhatDayDidChristDie.html

When talking about the death of Jesus, the Bible is talking about the death of the flesh. The spirit can never die - even our spirits live after the body is dead. It is the body that was dead and placed in the tomb whereas the spirit of Lord Jesus was alive in the heart of the Earth just as Jonah was alive in the belly of the fish:

Mark 15:45-46
45 And when he learned from the centurion that he was dead, he granted the corpse to Joseph. 46 And Joseph[a] bought a linen shroud, and taking him down, wrapped him in the linen shroud and laid him in a tomb that had been cut out of the rock. And he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb.

After the 3 days, the body was no longer found in the tomb as the Lord Jesus's ressurrection had occured.

Mathew Chapter 27: 63-66 describes how the soldiers placed a Roman Seal on the tomb which in those times meant that anyone breaking it would suffer an unpleasant death.

63 and said, “Sir, we remember how that impostor said, while he was still alive, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore order the tomb to be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples go and steal him away and tell the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last fraud will be worse than the first.” 65 Pilate said to them, “You have a guard[a] of soldiers. Go, make it as secure as you can.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure by sealing the stone and setting a guard.

The following passage described what happened when 3 women that followed Jesus went to the tomb.

Mathew 28:2-6
2 And behold, there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothing white as snow. 4 And for fear of him the guards trembled and became like dead men. 5 But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here, for he has risen, as he said. Come, see the place where he[a] lay.

Please feel free to reply if you would like anything to be explained or answered further. In the meantime, I pray to Almighty God that you may all grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. God bless you.
 
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 12, 2013, 12:14:56 pm
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When talking about the death of Jesus, the Bible is talking about the death of the flesh. The spirit can never die - even our spirits live after the body is dead.
 

Peace be upon you dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,

Prophet Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, never died even according to the New Testament itself.

From http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:

He received medicine and massaging from Mary Magdalene and others during this time.  He then "rose up from the dead" and left the tomb (cave).

1- Notice in Luke 24:1, the women came to the tomb with medicine and found Jesus gone.  If he was already dead, they would have no reason to bring this to dead Jesus.  But Jesus was alive and was receiving medical treatment.

2- Also, notice in John 20:15, Mary Magdalene thought Jesus was a gardener, after he healed and rose back up.

3- And in John 20:17, Jesus was still in pain, he told Mary Magdalene "touch me not!".

4- And in John 20:19-29, Jesus showed his original body to the disciples, and they checked it.

Jesus Christ:
   
(1)-  Never actually died. He has always been alive in the tomb receiving medical treatment.
 
(2)-  He was never buried underground, or in a coffin. He was laid on the floor, alive.



And to really give a detailed answer, I would recommend first watching Dr. Zakir Naik's 3-hour debate (see link above) and respond to the many New Testament verses that he put forth that proved that Christ never died.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: jesus.breadoflife on February 12, 2013, 04:26:22 pm
Hi Brother Osama,

Firstly I shall address medicine administered to Jesus that you speak of.

Luke 24:1
24 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices they had prepared.

I would disagree that it was a form of medical treatment. It was, in fact, a Jewish custom to prepare the body by using frankinsense, oils, spices etc. Here is a passage of Lord Jesus talking about His burial before his crucifixion:

3 Mary therefore took a pound[a] of expensive ointment made from pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. 4 But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples (he who was about to betray him), said, 5 “Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?” 6 He said this, not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief, and having charge of the moneybag he used to help himself to what was put into it. 7 Jesus said, “Leave her alone, so that she may keep it[c] for the day of my burial.
His body was buried in the tomb as it says in the Bible.

Secondly, dear brother, it absolutely does not say in John 20:17 that Jesus told Mary to not touch him as he was still in pain. This is what it says:

17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

As you read the full verse, you can see that the explanation you suggested is entirely different to what the Bible says. I urge you in the name of Lord Jesus to not misrepresent the word of God. You may not believe in it but, dear brother, if only you could see how it does amazing works amongst those who trust in His name.

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Lastly, I fail to see how it is possible for one to say that the New Testament provides verses which show that Jesus never died. The following verses are a few examples which showed that he did die:

Mark 15:37-39
37 And Jesus uttered a loud cry and breathed his last. 38 And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. 39 And when the centurion, who stood facing him, saw that in this way he[a] breathed his last, he said, “Truly this man was the Son of God!”

John 19:32-37
32 So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other who had been crucified with him. 33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34 But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water. 35 He who saw it has borne witness—his testimony is true, and he knows that he is telling the truth—that you also may believe. 36 For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” 37 And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”

God bless you all, may the grace of Lord Jesus be with you.
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: Wizdom on February 14, 2013, 03:30:50 pm
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Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 14, 2013, 03:58:53 pm
Sorry, I accidently replaced this post with the one below.  The original one for this one got lost.  But it's ok.  My answer below is thorough, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

Also, my rebuttals started from the following first post of mine in this thread:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg2677.html#msg2677.
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: jesus.breadoflife on February 14, 2013, 06:12:57 pm
Dear Brother Osama,

The oinment worth 300 denarii was not wasted. The passage I referred to in my previous post was from John 12:1-7. This shows that when Jesus was in the house of Lazarus when Mary anointed Lord Jesus's feet with the ointment - verse 3 Mary therefore took a pound[a] of expensive ointment made from pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

If you look at Mathew 26:6-12, Jesus is again in Bethany but this time he is at the house of Simon the leper. The woman came to him with "an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table". Lord Jesus says in verse 12,  "In pouring this ointment on my body, she has done it to prepare me for burial." None of his words are in vain.

I find it difficult to believe that you suggested that Lord Jesus faked his own death. Firstly, if he did not want to die, all he had to do was to was ask God and he would be saved. When Lord Jesus was arrested and his disciples tried to prevent this by taking the sword, this is what Lord Jesus said,

Mathew 26:52,53
52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?  

Secondly, Lord Jesus would basically be lying if he had faked his own death. And since he had said that he came to do the will of the Father, you are suggesting that God lied to all the people who were at the crucifixion. There are two points to consider here. What purpose would this have achieved? If it was God's will that Jesus shouldn't die, then surely it would have been better to save him publicly so that sinners may repent, listen to Jesus and turn to the Father. Most importantly, God is righteous and truthful.

Isaiah 45:19

I did not speak in secret,
    in a land of darkness;
I did not say to the offspring of Jacob,
    ‘Seek me in vain.’[a]
I the Lord speak the truth;
    I declare what is right.

In a world that was at the time already full of darkness, idolatory and lies, would God really give people another lie to believe in?

Your points on http://www.answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm do not look at the verses in the Bible in the same meaning that it was written in. As time does not permit me to go through them all, I shall address a couple for now. Paul is not saying that it would be OK to lie nor did he lie.

Romans 3:7
7 But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?

This is the verse you referrred to and upon reading it, it clearly shows that if I tell a lie in order that God may be glorified, I would be condemned as a sinner irregardless. Paul is talking about a hypothetical situation - note the use of the word 'if'.

Philippians 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. 16 The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.

You say that this shows that Paul lied for the sake of the Gospel of Christ. These verses do not show that at all. What Paul says is that he is aware of some who proclaim the name of Lord Jesus for their own selfish ambition. Yet Paul rejoices not in their lies but in the truth that they say - the Gospel of the Lord. How can he not rejoice when the Gospel is spread for the saving of many lives? After all, it is the spirit of God who works in people's hearts - not men whether they be liars or truthful. Those who lie will have to stand before God in judgement.

This is what Paul says in Philippians 1:9-11 9  And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, 10 so that you may approve what is excellent, and so be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God. As this is what he believed and urged others to do, he would not lie.

John 6:35
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst

God bless you all.
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 15, 2013, 10:37:59 am
Dear Brother Osama,

The oinment worth 300 denarii was not wasted. The passage I referred to in my previous post was from John 12:1-7. This shows that when Jesus was in the house of Lazarus when Mary anointed Lord Jesus's feet with the ointment - verse 3 Mary therefore took a pound[a] of expensive ointment made from pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.
 

Dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,

So now you agree with me that the Lord Jesus Christ was already an annointed Messiah before the crucifixion.  He wasn't just a mere Prophet and just Jesus.  No, he was the Lord Messiah (Al-Sayyed Al-Maseeh as we say in Arabic).  So, the women coming to the tomb with "spices" is a misleading interpretation and a translation, because there was no need to annoint him in the tomb.  And why would you annoint a dead person to become the Messiah anyway??  So this clearly shows that in Luke 24:1, the women actually came to the tomb (cave which Christ was laying on the floor in) with MEDICINE to the live and hurt Jesus (not a dead one), and not just mere spices.

Furthermore, if they truly wanted to annoint him to be the Messiah in the tomb (cave), then they would've also brought men with them.  Three women sounds very suspicious, if not ridiculous, to annoint THE LORD MESSIAH, the King of the Jews and King of entire earth when he returns.

 
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If you look at Mathew 26:6-12, Jesus is again in Bethany but this time he is at the house of Simon the leper. The woman came to him with "an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table". Lord Jesus says in verse 12,  "In pouring this ointment on my body, she has done it to prepare me for burial." None of his words are in vain.
 

You see, this is where the New Testament shows its corruption and fabrications.  What does a wiping of Jesus to make him the Messiah, in front of people and the disciples, have to do with burial?  And who told you that "burial" here means actual death?  The Bible is so filled with metaphores that you really can't take it literally.  The Bible in so many verses uses terms such as GOD, DEATH, LIFE loosely.

Furthermore, Jesus was never burried.  Burried to us today means that one would be placed in a coffin and burried underground.  This NEVER happened to Jesus.  He was only put in a cave on the floor, wrapped in cloths, and rested there for 3 or so days.  So no burrial occured, which further proves that the Bible here is also speaking in metaphores:



 
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I find it difficult to believe that you suggested that Lord Jesus faked his own death. Firstly, if he did not want to die, all he had to do was to was ask God and he would be saved. When Lord Jesus was arrested and his disciples tried to prevent this by taking the sword, this is what Lord Jesus said,

Mathew 26:52,53
52 Then Jesus said to him, Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?  
 

Telling half-truth and tricking the enemy is nothing new in the Bible.  Yahweh Almighty did it in the Old Testament:

1 Samuel 16:1-13
1 The LORD said to Samuel, "How long will you mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and be on your way; I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem. I have chosen one of his sons to be king."
2 But Samuel said, "How can I go? Saul will hear about it and kill me." The LORD said, "Take a heifer with you and say, 'I have come to sacrifice to the LORD.'
3 Invite Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show you what to do. You are to anoint for me the one I indicate."

4 Samuel did what the LORD said. When he arrived at Bethlehem, the elders of the town trembled when they met him. They asked, "Do you come in peace?"
5 Samuel replied, "Yes, in peace; I have come to sacrifice to the LORD. Consecrate yourselves and come to the sacrifice with me." Then he consecrated Jesse and his sons and invited them to the sacrifice.
6 When they arrived, Samuel saw Eliab and thought, "Surely the LORD's anointed stands here before the LORD."
7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."
8 Then Jesse called Abinadab and had him pass in front of Samuel. But Samuel said, "The LORD has not chosen this one either."
9 Jesse then had Shammah pass by, but Samuel said, "Nor has the LORD chosen this one."
10 Jesse had seven of his sons pass before Samuel, but Samuel said to him, "The LORD has not chosen these."
11 So he asked Jesse, "Are these all the sons you have?" "There is still the youngest," Jesse answered, "but he is tending the sheep." Samuel said, "Send for him; we will not sit down until he arrives."
12 So he sent and had him brought in. He was ruddy, with a fine appearance and handsome features. Then the LORD said, "Rise and anoint him; he is the one."
13 So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah.

So as we clearly see, Yahweh Almighty Himself supposedly tricked the enemies of David into thinking that Samuel came to sacrifice, when in actuality this wasn't his primary purpose and mission.  His primary mission was to annoint David, which was kept hidden under the Command of GOD Almighty.

Furthermore, did not GOD Almighty send LYING SPIRITS THAT CAUSED PEOPLE TO LIE many times in the Old Testament?

1 Kings 22:21-23
21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked. " 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'
23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."

2 Chronicles 18:21 " 'I will go and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

So why couldn't Jesus Christ fake his death on the cross?  And even if he never faked it, he could've easily passed out from all of the fatigueness and tiredness that his body had to endure.  But he most certainly never died.

Again, please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/holy_spirit.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm


 
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Secondly, Lord Jesus would basically be lying if he had faked his own death. And since he had said that he came to do the will of the Father, you are suggesting that God lied to all the people who were at the crucifixion. There are two points to consider here. What purpose would this have achieved? If it was God's will that Jesus shouldn't die, then surely it would have been better to save him publicly so that sinners may repent, listen to Jesus and turn to the Father. Most importantly, God is righteous and truthful.

Isaiah 45:19

I did not speak in secret,
    in a land of darkness;
I did not say to the offspring of Jacob,
    ‘Seek me in vain.’[a]
I the Lord speak the truth;
    I declare what is right.

In a world that was at the time already full of darkness, idolatory and lies, would God really give people another lie to believe in?
 

My dear brother, you are the one who is considering it a lie, when the Bible clearly permits it.

As to your question: "What purpose would this have achieved? If it was God's will that Jesus shouldn't die, then surely it would have been better to save him publicly so that sinners may repent, listen to Jesus and turn to the Father."

In Islam, we don't believe the Lord Jesus Christ (Al-Sayyed Al-Maseeh in Arabic) died, nor got crucified.  My discussion with you, dear brother, is based on what the New Testament currently says.  And even with what the New Testament says, we can clearly see that Christ never died.  But the Islamic point of view is Jesus was saved.

And again like I mentioned in my previous reply, this is assuming that he was actually put on the cross from the first place.  If you remember the New Testament account, Pilot stood BETWEEN TWO "JESUS SON OF HIS FATHER" (Jesus Baraba) when he stood before the multitudes.  We had two Jesus' whose fathers were not known.  Our Jesus Christ was also called Jesus son of his father, because he had no known human father.  So it is quite possible that our Lord Jesus Christ (Al-Sayyed Al-Maseeh) never got crucified at all.  The other Jesus was a rebel who killed two Roman soldiers, because he was a Jew who didn't want his people to be ruled by pagans.  For more details, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/which_jesus_released_and_which_crucified.htm


 
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Your points on http://www.answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm do not look at the verses in the Bible in the same meaning that it was written in. As time does not permit me to go through them all, I shall address a couple for now. Paul is not saying that it would be OK to lie nor did he lie.

Romans 3:7
7 But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?

This is the verse you referrred to and upon reading it, it clearly shows that if I tell a lie in order that God may be glorified, I would be condemned as a sinner irregardless. Paul is talking about a hypothetical situation - note the use of the word 'if'.

Philippians 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. 16 The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.

You say that this shows that Paul lied for the sake of the Gospel of Christ. These verses do not show that at all. What Paul says is that he is aware of some who proclaim the name of Lord Jesus for their own selfish ambition. Yet Paul rejoices not in their lies but in the truth that they say - the Gospel of the Lord. How can he not rejoice when the Gospel is spread for the saving of many lives? After all, it is the spirit of God who works in people's hearts - not men whether they be liars or truthful. Those who lie will have to stand before God in judgement.

This is what Paul says in Philippians 1:9-11 9  And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, 10 so that you may approve what is excellent, and so be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God. As this is what he believed and urged others to do, he would not lie.
 

My dear brother, the text is crystal clear about Paul saying that if he had to lie, then he would.  No need to re-translate it and re-interpret it.  Here is what the English translation says:

Philippians 1:15-18
15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill.
16 The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel.
17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Romans 3:1-8
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is the profit of circumcision?
2 Much every way: first of all, that they were intrusted with the oracles of God.
3 For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of God?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.
5 But if our righteousness commendeth the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who visiteth with wrath?
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?
8 and why not, Let us do evil, that good may come? whose condemnation is just.  [/quote]

 
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John 6:35
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst

God bless you all.
 
 

The Lord Jesus Christ (Al-Sayyed Al-Maseeh in Arabic) is nothing without his Creator, GOD Almighty.  All authority was given to Jesus here on earth, and earth only, by GOD Almighty.  GOD Almighty made him the heir of earth:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm

Furthermore, Jesus' attributes here on earth, such as forging sins and what have you, - which are heavily used by Trinitarians to prove their blasphemies about Jesus being the Creator of the Universe, - do not prove anything.  Let us examine the following verses to shed more light on this point:

Luke 5:17-24
Jesus Forgives and Heals a Paralyzed Man
17 One day Jesus was teaching, and Pharisees and teachers of the law were sitting there. They had come from every village of Galilee and from Judea and Jerusalem. And the power of the Lord was with Jesus to heal the sick.
18 Some men came carrying a paralyzed man on a mat and tried to take him into the house to lay him before Jesus.
19 When they could not find a way to do this because of the crowd, they went up on the roof and lowered him on his mat through the tiles into the middle of the crowd, right in front of Jesus.
20 When Jesus saw their faith, he said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.”
21 The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, “Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?
22 Jesus knew what they were thinking and asked, “Why are you thinking these things in your hearts?
23 Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’? 24 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority ON EARTH to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.”

Jesus' authority was ONLY earthly.  It was limited to this planet earth, and nothing more!  And this is nothing new in the Bible, by the way.  Others in the Old Testament were able to do these things, and also raise the dead (http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm).  So Jesus being the bread of life, and having the authority to forgive sins, and what have you is nothing but metaphores, and privileges that were given to him by his Creator, Allah Almighty.  Otherwise, Jesus is absolutely a nothing and a nobody when compared to GOD Almighty.  In fact, add all creations with Jesus and still we all add up to absolute nothing when compared to GOD Almighty.

And I would like remind you that the Lord Christ always rejected to be elated by humans, and he always reminded them that GOD Almighty is Absolute One, and no one is beside Him, and no one is part of Him, the Almighty:

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"

Notice the "our God".  GOD Almighty is Jesus' GOD and Creator.  It's really simple, dear brother.  It's very simple.  It's the Trinitarians who are the lost and complicated ones.

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."   (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

"I do nothing of myself" (John 8:28)

Even when Christ performed Miracles, he always took permission from GOD Almighty, and seeking GOD Almighty to give him the power to perform the Miracle.  He couldn't do a thing by himself.

Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links


I hope this helps, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

Take care, and may Allah Almighty further opens your heart, shed His Light upon you, and lead you more and more to Islam.  Ameen.

Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: jesus.breadoflife on February 15, 2013, 08:13:32 pm
Hi Brother Osama,

 

So now you agree with me that the Lord Jesus Christ was already an annointed Messiah before the crucifixion.  He wasn't just a mere Prophet and just Jesus.  No, he was the Lord Messiah (Al-Sayyed Al-Maseeh as we say in Arabic).  So, the women coming to the tomb with "spices" is a misleading interpretation and a translation, because there was no need to annoint him in the tomb.  And why would you annoint a dead person to become the Messiah anyway??  So this clearly shows that in Luke 24:1, the women actually came to the tomb (cave which Christ was laying on the floor in) with MEDICINE to the live and hurt Jesus (not a dead one), and not just mere spices.

 
 

There is nothing that suggests that the women came to anoint Lord Jesus so that he may become Messiah. It was just common Jewish burial practice to wash the body, wrap it in linen cloth and anointed with spices and oils. A basic definition of the word 'anoint' is 'To apply oil, ointment, or a similar substance'. There are examples in the Bible where anointing is used to sanctify someone such as a King but in the case of a burial, the definition I have given here is the most fitting. 

http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8493339_jewish-burial-customs-anointing-oils.html


 

Furthermore, Jesus was never burried.  Burried to us today means that one would be placed in a coffin and burried underground.  This NEVER happened to Jesus.  He was only put in a cave on the floor, wrapped in cloths, and rested there for 3 or so days.  So no burrial occured, which further proves that the Bible here is also speaking in metaphores:

 
 

Jesus was buried in a tomb - it was not uncommon in those times. Abraham and Jacob was buried in a tomb as it says in the Bible

Acts 7: 15-16
15 And Jacob went down into Egypt, and he died, he and our fathers, 16 and they were carried back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham had bought for a sum of silver from the sons of Hamor in Shechem.

Genesis 25:8-9
8 Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered to his people. 9 Isaac and Ishmael his sons buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, east of Mamre,

 
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Your points on http://www.answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm do not look at the verses in the Bible in the same meaning that it was written in. As time does not permit me to go through them all, I shall address a couple for now. Paul is not saying that it would be OK to lie nor did he lie.

Romans 3:7
7 But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?
This is the verse you referrred to and upon reading it, it clearly shows that if I tell a lie in order that God may be glorified, I would be condemned as a sinner irregardless. Paul is talking about a hypothetical situation - note the use of the word 'if'.

Philippians 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. 16 The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.

You say that this shows that Paul lied for the sake of the Gospel of Christ. These verses do not show that at all. What Paul says is that he is aware of some who proclaim the name of Lord Jesus for their own selfish ambition. Yet Paul rejoices not in their lies but in the truth that they say - the Gospel of the Lord. How can he not rejoice when the Gospel is spread for the saving of many lives? After all, it is the spirit of God who works in people's hearts - not men whether they be liars or truthful. Those who lie will have to stand before God in judgement.

This is what Paul says in Philippians 1:9-11 9  And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, 10 so that you may approve what is excellent, and so be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God. As this is what he believed and urged others to do, he would not lie.
 

My dear brother, the text is crystal clear about Paul saying that if he had to lie, then he would.  No need to re-translate it and re-interpret it.  Here is what the English translation says:

Philippians 1:15-18
15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill.
16 The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel.
17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Romans 3:1-8
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is the profit of circumcision?
2 Much every way: first of all, that they were intrusted with the oracles of God.
3 For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of God?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.
5 But if our righteousness commendeth the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who visiteth with wrath?
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?
8 and why not, Let us do evil, that good may come? whose condemnation is just.  
 

Dear Brother, the Holy Spirit is my witness when I say I did not re-interpret it or retranslate the passage, I just explained in simpler terms. After all, who am I to add to or take away from the word of God? You don't need to look beyond these verses to come to the conclusion I came to. For example, Romans 3:7 - But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?  Well, it is 100% clear in this verse that I would still be condemned as a sinner even if a lie I tell is for the glory of God. Similarly, in verses Philippians 1:15-18, the passage is very clear - there is only 1 meaning of this - some people are preaching Christ out of false motives - 'envy and rivalry' so that 'they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains'. The lying that you refer to is the 'false motives' that Paul describes. This says that the lie is that people pretend they preach out of goodwill but it is actually for their 'selfish ambition'.They are competing with Paul whilst he is imprisoned. Paul is saying he doesn't care (i.e. about the envy and rivalry) but he rejoices as Christ is preached.  I just cannot see from where you got the idea that Paul would lie if he had to.


 
So as we clearly see, Yahweh Almighty Himself supposedly tricked the enemies of David into thinking that Samuel came to sacrifice, when in actuality this wasn't his primary purpose and mission.  His primary mission was to annoint David, which was kept hidden under the Command of GOD Almighty.
 
 

Yes, God did not allow Samuel to reveal His plans to Saul. Why would he? It wasn't the time when God wanted David to be revealed as the King of Israel. That is not the same as lying.

 

Furthermore, did not GOD Almighty send LYING SPIRITS THAT CAUSED PEOPLE TO LIE many times in the Old Testament?
 
 

This is the passage that you are referring to:
1 Kings 22:17-23
17 Then Micaiah answered, “I saw all Israel scattered on the hills like sheep without a shepherd, and the Lord said, ‘These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.’”
 
18 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Didn’t I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?”
 
19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’

“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
 
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.

“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.

“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
 
23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”

King Ahab wants to go to battle and he was Jehoshaphat to go with him. Jehoshaphat wants to ask the Lord before going for battle so the King calls out 400 false prophets and they all say that the King will be victorious. Jehoshaphat is not convinced and he wants to hear from a prophet of the Lord and therefore Micaiah is called. He prophesied disaster.

We can see that King Ahab, unlike Jehoshaphat, had already made up his mind to do what was against the will of God (i.e. go to war) before he had even heard from the prophet of the Lord. God permitted a a lying spirit to be in all the false prophets. This highlights the absolute sovereignty over all things. Even the lying spirit cannot do anything unless God allows them to. If someone wants to commit a murder, they may have that spirit of Satan in him but it is there because God allowed it to be there. If someone is not under the mighty hand of God, they are open to attack - this due to the choices made by people to turn away from God. God protects all who trust in his name - he protects them from Satan, from people etc. However, Satan is free to destroy those who are not the children of God - and yes, Satan cannot do anything unless God allows it to happen. But you can see that the Spirit of God did not lie to Ahab - Micaiah prophesied disaster and revealed everything.

I am aware that it says the Quran that it appeared to them that Jesus was crucified. Well, if that were true, Allah would be lying. Also, there is absolutely no reason why this 'false vision' would be of any use to anyone.

 
My discussion with you, dear brother, is based on what the New Testament currently says.  And even with what the New Testament says, we can clearly see that Christ never died.
 
 

The New Testament does say that Jesus died in many places one of which is below.

Mark 15:37-39
37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
38 The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. 39 And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, saw how he died,[a] he said, Surely this man was the Son of God!

 
All authority was given to Jesus here on earth, and earth only, by GOD Almighty.  GOD Almighty made him the heir of earth:
 
 

This is not entirely true.

Mathew 28:18
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Also, if you accept that all authority on earth had been given to Jesus, why would you refrain from believing what he said and obeying his commands concerning baptism etc ? Yes, the greatest command is to love God. Firstly, to love God means to do his will. Secondly, obeying the greatest commandment does not mean that one is allowed to diregard the others - James 2:10 - For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

When Jesus came to the Earth, he came to do the will of the Father and did everything through His Holy Spirit. No one denies that. Before he was born as a man, he was in the same nature of God but he hold onto his equality with God but left that to come to Earth for the salvation of mankind.

Philippians 2:6-11

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
    by taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
        even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.


Yes, Jesus did not want to be exalted by men when he was a man but as we can see in the New Testament, he was worshipped after his resurrection when he was no longer of human form.

Dear brothers and sisters, I urge to to seek God's voice for yourself. The Bible speaks of prophets and men of God but their testimony is their own. The Bible shows us the glory of God but we must all seek the God for ourselves and listen to His voice. I was only able to accept the Bible as the word of God after it God revealed it to me. I don't expect that you will listen to my voice and I wouldn't ask you to; but you must listen to the voice of God.

Mathew 11:25
25 At that time Jesus said, I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
 
27 All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.


If we are wise in our own eyes, the Spirit of God will not work in us. Let us be like children and so that we may hear God's voice.
 
And it is the voice of the Lord that lead me to where I now stand in Christ from whom nothing can separate me. I pray that God may do the same for you.

God bless you all.
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: adnaanshaikh195 on February 16, 2013, 08:44:02 am
Hi Brother Osama,

 

So now you agree with me that the Lord Jesus Christ was already an annointed Messiah before the crucifixion.  He wasn't just a mere Prophet and just Jesus.  No, he was the Lord Messiah (Al-Sayyed Al-Maseeh as we say in Arabic).  So, the women coming to the tomb with "spices" is a misleading interpretation and a translation, because there was no need to annoint him in the tomb.  And why would you annoint a dead person to become the Messiah anyway??  So this clearly shows that in Luke 24:1, the women actually came to the tomb (cave which Christ was laying on the floor in) with MEDICINE to the live and hurt Jesus (not a dead one), and not just mere spices.

 
 

There is nothing that suggests that the women came to anoint Lord Jesus so that he may become Messiah. It was just common Jewish burial practice to wash the body, wrap it in linen cloth and anointed with spices and oils. A basic definition of the word 'anoint' is 'To apply oil, ointment, or a similar substance'. There are examples in the Bible where anointing is used to sanctify someone such as a King but in the case of a burial, the definition I have given here is the most fitting. 

http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8493339_jewish-burial-customs-anointing-oils.html


 

Furthermore, Jesus was never burried.  Burried to us today means that one would be placed in a coffin and burried underground.  This NEVER happened to Jesus.  He was only put in a cave on the floor, wrapped in cloths, and rested there for 3 or so days.  So no burrial occured, which further proves that the Bible here is also speaking in metaphores:

 
 

Jesus was buried in a tomb - it was not uncommon in those times. Abraham and Jacob was buried in a tomb as it says in the Bible

Acts 7: 15-16
15 And Jacob went down into Egypt, and he died, he and our fathers, 16 and they were carried back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham had bought for a sum of silver from the sons of Hamor in Shechem.

Genesis 25:8-9
8 Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered to his people. 9 Isaac and Ishmael his sons buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, east of Mamre,

 
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Your points on http://www.answering-christianity.com/balanced_lies_rebuttal.htm do not look at the verses in the Bible in the same meaning that it was written in. As time does not permit me to go through them all, I shall address a couple for now. Paul is not saying that it would be OK to lie nor did he lie.

Romans 3:7
7 But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?
This is the verse you referrred to and upon reading it, it clearly shows that if I tell a lie in order that God may be glorified, I would be condemned as a sinner irregardless. Paul is talking about a hypothetical situation - note the use of the word 'if'.

Philippians 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. 16 The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.

You say that this shows that Paul lied for the sake of the Gospel of Christ. These verses do not show that at all. What Paul says is that he is aware of some who proclaim the name of Lord Jesus for their own selfish ambition. Yet Paul rejoices not in their lies but in the truth that they say - the Gospel of the Lord. How can he not rejoice when the Gospel is spread for the saving of many lives? After all, it is the spirit of God who works in people's hearts - not men whether they be liars or truthful. Those who lie will have to stand before God in judgement.

This is what Paul says in Philippians 1:9-11 9  And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, 10 so that you may approve what is excellent, and so be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God. As this is what he believed and urged others to do, he would not lie.
 

My dear brother, the text is crystal clear about Paul saying that if he had to lie, then he would.  No need to re-translate it and re-interpret it.  Here is what the English translation says:

Philippians 1:15-18
15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill.
16 The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel.
17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Romans 3:1-8
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is the profit of circumcision?
2 Much every way: first of all, that they were intrusted with the oracles of God.
3 For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of God?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.
5 But if our righteousness commendeth the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who visiteth with wrath?
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?
8 and why not, Let us do evil, that good may come? whose condemnation is just.  
 

Dear Brother, the Holy Spirit is my witness when I say I did not re-interpret it or retranslate the passage, I just explained in simpler terms. After all, who am I to add to or take away from the word of God? You don't need to look beyond these verses to come to the conclusion I came to. For example, Romans 3:7 - But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?  Similarly, in verses Philippians 1:15-18, the passage is very clear - there is only 1 meaning of this - some people are preaching Christ out of false motives - 'envy and rivalry' so that 'they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains'. The lying that you refer to is the 'false motives' that Paul describes. This says that the lie is that people pretend they preach out of goodwill but it is actually for their 'selfish ambition'.They are competing with Paul whilst he is imprisoned. Paul is saying he doesn't care (i.e. about the envy and rivalry) but he rejoices as Christ is preached.  I just cannot see from where you got the idea that Paul would lie if he had to.

Well, it is 100% clear in this verse that I would still be condemned as a sinner even if a lie I tell is for the glory of God.

 
So as we clearly see, Yahweh Almighty Himself supposedly tricked the enemies of David into thinking that Samuel came to sacrifice, when in actuality this wasn't his primary purpose and mission.  His primary mission was to annoint David, which was kept hidden under the Command of GOD Almighty.
 
 

Yes, God did not allow Samuel to reveal His plans to Saul. Why would he? It wasn't the time when God wanted David to be revealed as the King of Israel. That is not the same as lying.

 

Furthermore, did not GOD Almighty send LYING SPIRITS THAT CAUSED PEOPLE TO LIE many times in the Old Testament?
 
 

This is the passage that you are referring to:
1 Kings 22:17-23
17 Then Micaiah answered, “I saw all Israel scattered on the hills like sheep without a shepherd, and the Lord said, ‘These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.’”
 
18 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Didn’t I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?”
 
19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’

“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
 
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.

“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.

“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
 
23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”

King Ahab wants to go to battle and he was Jehoshaphat to go with him. Jehoshaphat wants to ask the Lord before going for battle so the King calls out 400 false prophets and they all say that the King will be victorious. Jehoshaphat is not convinced and he wants to hear from a prophet of the Lord and therefore Micaiah is called. He prophesied disaster.

We can see that King Ahab, unlike Jehoshaphat, had already made up his mind to do what was against the will of God (i.e. go to war) before he had even heard from the prophet of the Lord. God permitted a a lying spirit to be in all the false prophets. This highlights the absolute sovereignty over all things. Even the lying spirit cannot do anything unless God allows them to. If someone wants to commit a murder, they may have that spirit of Satan in him but it is there because God allowed it to be there. If someone is not under the mighty hand of God, they are open to attack - this due to the choices made by people to turn away from God. God protects all who trust in his name - he protects them from Satan, from people etc. However, Satan is free to destroy those who are not the children of God - and yes, Satan cannot do anything unless God allows it to happen. But you can see that the Spirit of God did not lie to Ahab - Micaiah prophesied disaster and revealed everything.

I am aware that it says the Quran that it appeared to them that Jesus was crucified. Well, if that were true, Allah would be lying. Also, there is absolutely no reason why this 'false vision' would be of any use to anyone.

 
My discussion with you, dear brother, is based on what the New Testament currently says.  And even with what the New Testament says, we can clearly see that Christ never died.
 
 

The New Testament does say that Jesus died in many places one of which is below.

Mark 15:37-39
37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
38 The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. 39 And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, saw how he died,[a] he said, “Surely this man was the Son of God!”

 
All authority was given to Jesus here on earth, and earth only, by GOD Almighty.  GOD Almighty made him the heir of earth:
 
 

This is not entirely true.

Mathew 28:18
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Also, if you accept that all authority on earth had been given to Jesus, why would you refrain from believing what he said and obeying his commands concerning baptism etc ? Yes, the greatest command is to love God. Firstly, to love God means to do his will. Secondly, obeying the greatest commandment does not mean that one is allowed to diregard the others - James 2:10 - For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

When Jesus came to the Earth, he came to do the will of the Father and did everything through His Holy Spirit. No one denies that. Before he was born as a man, he was in the same nature of God but he hold onto his equality with God but left that to come to Earth for the salvation of mankind.

Philippians 2:6-11

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
    by taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
        even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.


Yes, Jesus did not want to be exalted by men when he was a man but as we can see in the New Testament, he was worshipped after his resurrection when he was no longer of human form.

Dear brothers and sisters, I urge to to seek God's voice for yourself. The Bible speaks of prophets and men of God but their testimony is their own. The Bible shows us the glory of God but we must all seek the God for ourselves and listen to His voice. I was only able to accept the Bible as the word of God after it God revealed it to me. I don't expect that you will listen to my voice and I wouldn't ask you to; but you must listen to the voice of God.

Mathew 11:25
25 At that time Jesus said, I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
 
27 All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.


If we are wise in our own eyes, the Spirit of God will not work in us. Let us be like children and so that we may hear God's voice.
 
And it is the voice of the Lord that lead me to where I now stand in Christ from whom nothing can separate me. I pray that God may do the same for you.

God bless you all.
 
 
Blablabla, Jesus is not God, end off.

Christian 'countries' do not even follow Jesus, they worship him, and their people are full of pornography, homosexuality, paganism, man-made laws, rape, pedophilia, etc.

Worship God alone.

There is none worthy of worship except God alone.

Jesus is Christ is no more than a messenger sent by God.

'Son of God' is an idiom for Servant of God.

 
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: jesus.breadoflife on February 16, 2013, 12:52:07 pm
Blablabla, Jesus is not God, end off.

Christian 'countries' do not even follow Jesus, they worship him, and their people are full of pornography, homosexuality, paganism, man-made laws, rape, pedophilia, etc.

Worship God alone.

There is none worthy of worship except God alone.

Jesus is Christ is no more than a messenger sent by God.

'Son of God' is an idiom for Servant of God.
 
 

Dear adnaanshaikh195,

If there is anything from my previous post that you wish to address specifically, please feel free to do so.

Jesus is called the begotten Son of God - that he was born by the Holy Spirit (i.e. without a worldly father) and not by the will of flesh.

In John 3:16, Jesus says
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

It does not matter what Christian countries do - those who follow Christ from their heart would never engage in the activities you have described. In every religion, there are people who hurt others and sin against God.

Worshipping Jesus is the same as worshipping the Father because they are one.

John 14:11
11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

There are many instances where people worshipped Jesus in the Bible.

Mathew 2:11, The wise men who came to see Jesus worshipped him

11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

John 9:38, The blind man worshipped Jesus
38 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

In John 20, Thomas calls Jesus "God" when he appeared to the disciples after resurrection. Thomas did not believe that Jesus had resurrected after his death and he said he would not believe until he sees for himself.

John 20:24-29
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
 
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
 
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Praise the Lord,
God bless you all.
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: Wizdom on February 18, 2013, 05:44:37 pm
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Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: There is only one God on February 19, 2013, 09:02:48 am
Blablabla, Jesus is not God, end off.

Christian 'countries' do not even follow Jesus, they worship him, and their people are full of pornography, homosexuality, paganism, man-made laws, rape, pedophilia, etc.

Worship God alone.

There is none worthy of worship except God alone.

Jesus is Christ is no more than a messenger sent by God.

'Son of God' is an idiom for Servant of God.
 
 

Dear adnaanshaikh195,

If there is anything from my previous post that you wish to address specifically, please feel free to do so.

Jesus is called the begotten Son of God - that he was born by the Holy Spirit (i.e. without a worldly father) and not by the will of flesh.

In John 3:16, Jesus says
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

It does not matter what Christian countries do - those who follow Christ from their heart would never engage in the activities you have described. In every religion, there are people who hurt others and sin against God.

Worshipping Jesus is the same as worshipping the Father because they are one.

John 14:11
11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

There are many instances where people worshipped Jesus in the Bible.

Mathew 2:11, The wise men who came to see Jesus worshipped him

11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

John 9:38, The blind man worshipped Jesus
38 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

In John 20, Thomas calls Jesus "God" when he appeared to the disciples after resurrection. Thomas did not believe that Jesus had resurrected after his death and he said he would not believe until he sees for himself.

John 20:24-29
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
 
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
 
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Praise the Lord,
God bless you all.
 
 

Dear Brother Jesus.breadoflife,

You'll have to excuse adnaanshaikh195 here. His primary argument method is "blahblahblah I don't wanna read what you wrote, it probably sucks anyway. I am right. You are just an evil twisted psychopath. Grow up kid". You see, it's really hard coping in debates and discussions when alcohol hits the sweet spot, or as you may know it, the brain.
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: jesus.breadoflife on February 20, 2013, 04:17:20 pm

Brother Jesus.breadoflife,

You'll have to excuse adnaanshaikh195 here. His primary argument method is "blahblahblah I don't wanna read what you wrote, it probably sucks anyway. I am right. You are just an evil twisted psychopath. Grow up kid". You see, it's really hard coping in debates and discussions when alcohol hits the sweet spot, or as you may know it, the brain.
 
 

Let us all submit ourselves into the hands of God who is able to remove our shortfalls. I bear no ill will or anger towards anyone but love you all in Christ.

May the grace of Almighty God be with you.
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: EDOMS THORN on February 20, 2013, 08:47:40 pm
  I know I am off topic here but could you direct my comment to Osama Abdallah - My NOBEL ally in the fight against our COMMON ENEMY, the "SO CALLED JEW" and fellow seeker of the truth!

I was researching an article I am writing titled; "BLATANT ANTI-SEMITE JESUS CHRIST"  when I came upon your Site through this link;  Was Jesus sent to the Jews only, or - Answering Christianity: http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_mankind.htm    Now I do not seek to belittle you or your knowledge, but JESUS was NOT a JEW! That is a "JEWISH FABLE". Jesus knew who those VIPERS were and exposed them, and they wanted to murder Jesus for that.

In your article you quoted from Matthew 10:5-6 and if you read all of it and then the next chapter you will see;  WHAT JESUS DID!
Matthew 11:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities. (Their so called, JEW™ Cities)   JESUS did indeed come to seek the LOST sheep of the (ten Tribes) of ISRAEL and they were not and have NEVER been JEWS! This is a truth the even Christians HATE! The JEWS have infiltrated the Christian Seminaries and Churches, and deceived them, and their pride will not allow them to see the PLAIN truth.

Anyway, I have said that the ARAB People are my ally since 1989, we ALL share a common enemy that seeks to destroy us ALL, They want us to fight and hate each other and those disgusting Christian Zionist's are all to willing to be manipulated by the Vipers that want to bring about the N.W.O.  AT my website I have presented the irrefutable truth that is hated by JEWS and Christians a like! The Christians hate me (A CHRISTAN) because I point out the fact that they have chosen to believe JEWISH FABLES!     

If you find the time check out just WHO those JEWS really are!
http://www.edomsthorn.wordpress.com/edom-the-story-of-jacob-and-esau-is-

PEACE to you and yours

E.T.
Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: Wizdom on February 23, 2013, 02:33:00 pm
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Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 25, 2013, 10:52:24 am
Peace be upon you dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,

You are obviously a victim of the trinitarian blasphemeis.  It's really not that difficult to see from the New Testament how Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, is only a creation of GOD Almighty.

I do not wish to drag this too long, because I have a lot of things to do.  But all of your points above had been soundly and thoroughly refuted at: www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm.

 

The Doubting Thomas:

Doubting Thomas said "My Lord and my God" to Jesus.  Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:

  • Moses was called "The God" (Exodus 7:1) of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh.  Jesus said he was greater than Moses.  Thomas, the Disciple, called Jesus "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).  Jesus denied to be GOD Almighty.  All Believers were called "GODS and Sons of GOD" (Psalm 82:6) in the Bible.  "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest.  Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator.  And Jesus being a "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty.  He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations and nothing more.
      

  • The Bible also says that Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek".  And who is Melchizedek?  According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.
      
  • The Bible called Jesus a slave (abd) of GOD throughout the Old Testament!
      
  • Jesus denied knowing when Judgment Day will come, and said I DON'T KNOW, ONLY GOD ALONE KNOWS!
  • For ample more details, visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
    www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non of Jesus' Miracles were unique)
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm



    Jesus and the Father are One:

    Jesus is one in the Father.  Yes.  But Jesus also said that his followers are one in him, and he is one in them, and they are one in the Father, and all of the Believers are one in the Father (http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/john10_30.htm) [2 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/i_father_one_response_dr_zakir_naik.wmv)].  Why did you ignore this part?  Are you deliberatly trying to fool or mislead the reader?



    "Son of GOD" Title:

    As to Jesus being the so-called "only begotten son of GOD Almighty", yes, and go to the Old Testament to see the other ONLY BEGOTTEN SONS OF GOD ALMIGHTY!  And even the Bible itself defines Son of GOD to mean a Righteous Believer and Servant of GOD Almighty.  Also, Jesus Chist reduced his "Son of GOD" title to be even BELOW the "God" (Elohim) title that is given to every single Believer.  The reader can visit: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm for ample proofs from the NT.

    FRIENDS = SONS:

    In fact, we further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8
    "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7
    Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23
    And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

    So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

    [002:257] Allah is the friend and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend.

    So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.

    Again dear brother, please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203


    BEGET = CHOSE:

    Regarding the above quote:

     

    Quote
    King James Bible Psalm 2:7
    I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
     

    Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

    [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

    ‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

    [003:033] God did choose ] اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

    ‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

    [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

    ‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

    [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

    ‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

    [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

    ‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

    [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

    ‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

    [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

    ‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

    [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

    ‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

    Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

    1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

    2-  Wali - Guardian.

    In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

    [005:018]  (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

    Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203

    As to Jesus being worshiped, you know very well that many others in the Old Testament were "worshiped" and bowed down to.  Worshiped in the Bible means to bow to the chosen leader or master and follow him.  It doesn't to pray to him or to worship him as GOD Almighty is Worshiped!  Again, are you trying to fool or mislead the reader with trinity-lies and blasphemies??



    Definition of "The Father":

    Furthermore, did you know that "Father" in Hebrew means The Supreme GOD Who Knows Everything?  Rabbis and Priests in the Bible and in Judaism are called "Father".  This is where Roman Catholics get the "Father" title for their Priests from.  This is also where Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, was called "Everlasting Father" [1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%209:6&version=NIV)] (Highest Priest or Rabbi or Teacher for being the Messiah and King of the Jews and all Earth) in Isaiah 9:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%209:6&version=NIV) [1 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm)] [2 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm)] [3 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm)] [4 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/lord_of_sabbath_lie.htm)] comes from.  GOD Almighty being "The Father" means that GOD Almighty is the Supreme and All Knowing GOD Almighty of the Universe.  That's what Father means.  And Son means the Righteous Believer and Follower of GOD Almighty [1 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm)].

    And again, Jesus Christ being called "Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6 doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty, because throughout the Bible, the Righteous Believers are all called "God" (Elohim) and "Sons of God".  Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm for ample proofs.

    The reason why Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, was called MIGHTY God was because he is the Messiah, and the King of the Jews, and the coming Ruler of the entire Earth who will crush the anti-Christ.  He is the heir of all earth, and ONLY THE EARTH (http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm) according to the Old and New Testaments of the Bible.  So he is no mere God.  He is a Mighty God.  But he is NOT the Creator of the Universe.  Besides, many Prophets and Angels were also given Mighty Godly Names similar to the one given to Christ.  Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm for ample proofs.

    Furthermore, the Bible declares that GOD Almighty created us in His Image.  The Bible further defines being in the "Image of GOD" means having the Attributes of GOD Almighty that He, the Almighty, Has put in us, humans.  Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm for ample details and proofs.  This is another reason why GOD Almighty is symbolically called "The Father".  He is the Supreme GOD Almighty who created man in His Image, by giving him some of His Divine Attributes:

    Genesis 1:26-27
    26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
    27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

    "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.  (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 3:5)"

    "and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.  (From the NIV Bible, Ephesians 4:24)"

    "Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.   (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 7:1)"

    "On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD going before them.  (From the NIV Bible, Zechariah 12:8 )"

    Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm for ample more details and proofs.



    Jesus had to match Melchizedek:

    And furthermore, did you know that Jesus Christ had to be this way (miraculous, has authority, and is powerful), because he needed to match up with Melchizedek?  Melchizedek had no father and no mother (Jesus at least had a mother), and he was the Highest Jewish Priest.  And he was Eternal.  Jesus had to at least be equal to Melchizedek.  See: Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7:1-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2014:18,%20Psalm%20110:4,%20Hebrews%205:6-10,%20Hebrews%206:20,%20Hebrews%207:1-20&version=NIV):

    Genesis 14:18
    18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High,


    Psalm 110:4
    4 The Lord has sworn
        and will not change his mind:
    “You are a priest forever,
        in the order of Melchizedek.”


    Hebrews 5:6-10
    6 And he says in another place,

    “You are a priest forever,
        in the order of Melchizedek.”[a]

    7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
    8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered
    9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
    10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.


    Hebrews 6:20
    20 where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.


    Hebrews 7:1-20
    Melchizedek the Priest
    1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,
    2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.”

    3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

    4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder!
    5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham.
    6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
    7 And without doubt the lesser is blessed by the greater.
    8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.
    9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,
    10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.

    Jesus Like Melchizedek
    11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
    12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
    13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.
    14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
    15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
    16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an
    indestructible life (another proof Jesus Christ never died (http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm)!).
    17 For it is declared:

    “You are a priest forever,
        in the order of Melchizedek.”


    18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
    19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
    20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath,

    Again, to the reader, please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm




    A Brotherly Reminder:

    I want to end this reply by reminding you also with the following verses:

    Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." 

    Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows.  Notice here how "The Father" title was used for the All Knowing GOD Almighty.

    Also, if Christ was indeed your Creator, brother Jesus.breadoflife, then JESUS HERE CLEARLY LIED!  If he were GOD Almighty, he would've certainly known when the Hour would come.  Him denying that he had any knowledge about the Hour, while he supposedly knew it, makes him a liar.

    Luke 18:19 ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone."

    Mark 10:18 “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

    Trinity is false and a blasphemy.  Islam is the Divine Truth.  Indeed, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone for making the Noble Quran be the Perfect and Everlasting Miracle, for us humans, out of all of His Divine Miracles!  And may Allah Almighty send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our Beloved and Blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, Muhammad.  Ameen.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: Wizdom on March 01, 2013, 05:52:43 pm
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    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: There is only one God on March 01, 2013, 09:07:49 pm
    gotta correct something here. @jesusbreadoflife: It was not part of Jewish burial rites to use spices and linen cloth, that was Egyptian mummification
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: jesus.breadoflife on March 03, 2013, 08:35:45 am
    Dear Brother Osama,

    Apologies for the late reply.

     
    Jesus is one in the Father.  Yes.  But Jesus also said that his followers are one in him, and he is one in them, and they are one in the Father, and all of the Believers are one in the Father (http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/john10_30.htm) [2 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/i_father_one_response_dr_zakir_naik.wmv)].  Why did you ignore this part?  Are you deliberatly trying to fool or mislead the reader?
     
     

    Could you please clarify which verse you are referring to that says believers and God are one?  Jesus said that he and the Father are one. [John 10:30 -  I and the Father are one The Bible does say that God will live in those who love and obey Him and put his Spirit in them.
    John 14:23 -  Jesus replied, ‘Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.  
    Ezekiel 36:26 -  I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.


    Jesus is called the only begotten Son of God in the Bible. The Bible does not speak of any other only begotten Sons of God. Worship in the Bible does not mean to simply bow down before someone. Worshipping of the Lord comes from your spirit and it is giving praise to the almighty creator.

    John 4:24
    24 God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.’

    Jesus is the King of Jews/King of Israel in the, also the Saviour - all in the New Testament.

    Mark 15:32 (Lord Jesus is mocked when he is on the cross)
    32 Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe.’ Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him

    2 Peter 3:18
    18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

    When we looked to the Old Testament, we can see that the terms used to describe God matches this.

    Isaiah 44:6
    ‘This is what the Lord says –
        Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty:
    I am the first and I am the last;
        apart from me there is no God.

    Lord Jesus also says of himself that he is the first and last in the New Testament.

    Revealation 22:13
    I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

    There are many such examples which show that Jesus and the Father are one.

    Finally, dear brother, there is no need to call me a liar. I know the Bible to be amazing and true. My faith is not paganism or polytheism. My God is one - he is my Father, my rock, my protector, the Spirit who lives in me. Jesus is my Lord and I love him in perfect truth. God loves all of you, we are the work of his hands. Let there be no unpleasantness between us.

    God bless you all :)
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: jesus.breadoflife on March 03, 2013, 09:32:26 am
    gotta correct something here. @jesusbreadoflife: It was not part of Jewish burial rites to use spices and linen cloth, that was Egyptian mummification
     
     

    I included a reference in my original post - http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8493339_jewish-burial-customs-anointing-oils.html

    Also, John 19:40

    40 Taking Jesus’ body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs.  
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: Wizdom on March 06, 2013, 12:01:47 am
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    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: Wizdom on March 12, 2013, 06:49:34 pm
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    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 13, 2013, 12:31:08 am
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Tariq and Everyone,

    Thank you for reminding me about this dialogue.  I will insha'Allah resume posting answers to brother Jesus.breadoflife tomorrow, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: Wizdom on March 18, 2013, 12:03:18 am
    Jazak'Allah Khair brother Osama, Insha'Allah
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 18, 2013, 09:43:41 am
    Dear Brother Osama,

    Apologies for the late reply.

     
    Jesus is one in the Father.  Yes.  But Jesus also said that his followers are one in him, and he is one in them, and they are one in the Father, and all of the Believers are one in the Father (http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/john10_30.htm) [2 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/i_father_one_response_dr_zakir_naik.wmv)].  Why did you ignore this part?  Are you deliberatly trying to fool or mislead the reader?
     
     

    Could you please clarify which verse you are referring to that says believers and God are one?  Jesus said that he and the Father are one. [John 10:30 -  I and the Father are one The Bible does say that God will live in those who love and obey Him and put his Spirit in them.
    John 14:23 -  Jesus replied, ‘Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.  
    Ezekiel 36:26 -  I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
     
     

    My dear brother Jesus.breadoflife, it is beyond clear that you are a victim of the paganism and blasphemy of trinity.  One thing that I really humbly want to ask you, and that is to actually read the sources that I give you, because I believe everything about the blasphemy of trinity had been soundly refuted in the arguments and links that I gave above.

    Regarding all in GOD Almighty are One, and GOD Almighty is One in all Believers, EXACTLY AS JESUS AND GOD ARE ONE, here is the verse:

    John 17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2017&version=KJV)
    ......
    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
    23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

    A Plea to All Christians:

    I ask you and ask every Christian in the Holy Name of GOD Almighty to actually READ your entire New Testament from Matthew to Revelation!  Picking verses off of pamphlets or  "cheat-sheets" that are handed to you by missionaries to quote verses left and right from them, and make baseless arguments will only doom you to Hell.  Not saying that Jesus.breadoflife is doing that here.  But the shallow and out-of-context arguments that trinitarians continue to present are just too pathetic, and also demonstrate their lack of knowledge about their own Scriptures by the wholesale.  I wouldn't be exaggerating if I say that it is a case of the blind leading the blind, or (sorry to say that) the dumb leading the dumb!  As Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

    [002:018]  Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

    [002:171]  The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat- herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.

    [017:097]  It is he whom God guides, that is on true Guidance; but he whom He leaves astray - for such wilt thou find no protector besides Him. On the Day of Judgment We shall gather, them together, prone on their faces, blind, dumb, and deaf: their abode will be Hell: every time it shows abatement, We shall increase from them the fierceness of the Fire.

    GOD Almighty is ONE and ABSOLUTE ONE.  Jesus Christ is not even a bacteria when compared to GOD Almighty!  Jesus and all of the Prophets and EVERY THING created in the Universe are less than a microscopic bacteria when compared to GOD Almighty.  Jesus was no more than a
    GOD-FEARING Servant:

    Isaiah 11:1-3 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm)
    1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
    2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
    counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
    3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;"

    Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm to see the Spirit of GOD Almighty coming down upon many of the Righeous Believers.  But it is amazing that the Bible says that the spirit of FEARING GOD will rest upon Jesus, and yet we find pagans calling him the Creator of the Universe!

    A dangerous mix of ignorance and blasphemy and inheritance of ancient 3-headed pagan religions that your fathers had and worshiped all mixed and blended together, which is what the polytheist trinitarian paganism and blasphemy (http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links) is all about today.



     
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    Jesus is called the only begotten Son of God in the Bible. The Bible does not speak of any other only begotten Sons of God. Worship in the Bible does not mean to simply bow down before someone. Worshipping of the Lord comes from your spirit and it is giving praise to the almighty creator.
     

    I already refuted this blasphemy in my rebuttal in the previous post.  Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm.  Here are few examples:

    Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn."

    Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn."

    And in Genesis, where it speaks about Religions and people millions of years before Judaism, every Believer was also called SON OF GOD!  Also Angels were called Sons of GOD Almighty, and that they slept with the "daughters of men" and caused for giants to be born on earth.

    Again, Jesus had to match Melchizedek:

    Furthermore, like I mentioned, everything about Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, had to be this way (him being powerful, miraculous, born out of a virgin, mighty), because he had to at least match up to the Jews' Highest Priest Melchizedek who had no beginning and no end, and no father and no mother, and he was mighty and miraculous.

    Furthermore, all of Jesus' miracles were performed by other Prophets in the Old Testament.  Please visit my previous post for all of the references.

    Also as I already elaborated on in my previous post, "Son of GOD" means the Servant of GOD Almighty, and a pious Believer who has the Likeness of GOD Almighty:

     
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    Peace be upon you dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,

    You are obviously a victim of the trinitarian blasphemeis.  It's really not that difficult to see from the New Testament how Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, is only a creation of GOD Almighty.

    I do not wish to drag this too long, because I have a lot of things to do.  But all of your points above had been soundly and thoroughly refuted at: www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm.



    Jesus and the Father are One:

    Jesus is one in the Father.  Yes.  But Jesus also said that his followers are one in him, and he is one in them, and they are one in the Father, and all of the Believers are one in the Father (http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/john10_30.htm) [2 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/i_father_one_response_dr_zakir_naik.wmv)].  Why did you ignore this part?  Are you deliberatly trying to fool or mislead the reader?



    "Son of GOD" Title:

    As to Jesus being the so-called "only begotten son of GOD Almighty", yes, and go to the Old Testament to see the other ONLY BEGOTTEN SONS OF GOD ALMIGHTY!  And even the Bible itself defines Son of GOD to mean a Righteous Believer and Servant of GOD Almighty.  Also, Jesus Chist reduced his "Son of GOD" title to be even BELOW the "God" (Elohim) title that is given to every single Believer.  The reader can visit: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm for ample proofs from the NT.

    As to Jesus being worshiped, you know very well that many others in the Old Testament were "worshiped" and bowed down to.  Worshiped in the Bible means to bow to the chosen leader or master and follow him.  It doesn't to pray to him or to worship him as GOD Almighty is Worshiped!  Again, are you trying to fool or mislead the reader with trinity-lies and blasphemies??



    Definition of "The Father":

    Furthermore, did you know that "Father" in Hebrew means The Supreme GOD Who Knows Everything?  Rabbis and Priests in the Bible and in Judaism are called "Father".  This is where Roman Catholics get the "Father" title for their Priests from.  This is also where Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, was called "Everlasting Father" [1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%209:6&version=NIV)] (Highest Priest or Rabbi or Teacher for being the Messiah and King of the Jews and all Earth) in Isaiah 9:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%209:6&version=NIV) [1 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm)] [2 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm)] [3 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm)] [4 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/lord_of_sabbath_lie.htm)] comes from.  GOD Almighty being "The Father" means that GOD Almighty is the Supreme and All Knowing GOD Almighty of the Universe.  That's what Father means.  And Son means the Righteous Believer and Follower of GOD Almighty [1 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm)].

    And again, Jesus Christ being called "Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6 doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty, because throughout the Bible, the Righteous Believers are all called "God" (Elohim) and "Sons of God".  Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm for ample proofs.

    The reason why Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, was called MIGHTY God was because he is the Messiah, and the King of the Jews, and the coming Ruler of the entire Earth who will crush the anti-Christ.  He is the heir of all earth, and ONLY THE EARTH (http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm) according to the Old and New Testaments of the Bible.  So he is no mere God.  He is a Mighty God.  But he is NOT the Creator of the Universe.  Besides, many Prophets and Angels were also given Mighty Godly Names similar to the one given to Christ.  Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm for ample proofs.

    Furthermore, the Bible declares that GOD Almighty created us in His Image.  The Bible further defines being in the "Image of GOD" means having the Attributes of GOD Almighty that He, the Almighty, Has put in us, humans.  Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm for ample details and proofs.  This is another reason why GOD Almighty is symbolically called "The Father".  He is the Supreme GOD Almighty who created man in His Image, by giving him some of His Divine Attributes:

    Genesis 1:26-27
    26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
    27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

    "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.  (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 3:5)"

    "and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.  (From the NIV Bible, Ephesians 4:24)"

    "Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.   (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 7:1)"

    "On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD going before them.  (From the NIV Bible, Zechariah 12:8 )"

    Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm for ample more details and proofs.



    Jesus had to match Melchizedek:

    And furthermore, did you know that Jesus Christ had to be this way (miraculous, has authority, and is powerful), because he needed to match up with Melchizedek?  Melchizedek had no father and no mother (Jesus at least had a mother), and he was the Highest Jewish Priest.  And he was Eternal.  Jesus had to at least be equal to Melchizedek.  See: Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7:1-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2014:18,%20Psalm%20110:4,%20Hebrews%205:6-10,%20Hebrews%206:20,%20Hebrews%207:1-20&version=NIV):

    Genesis 14:18
    18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High,


    Psalm 110:4
    4 The Lord has sworn
        and will not change his mind:
    “You are a priest forever,
        in the order of Melchizedek.”


    Hebrews 5:6-10
    6 And he says in another place,

    “You are a priest forever,
        in the order of Melchizedek.”[a]

    7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
    8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered
    9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
    10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.


    Hebrews 6:20
    20 where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.


    Hebrews 7:1-20
    Melchizedek the Priest
    1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,
    2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.”

    3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

    4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder!
    5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham.
    6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
    7 And without doubt the lesser is blessed by the greater.
    8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.
    9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,
    10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.

    Jesus Like Melchizedek
    11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
    12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
    13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.
    14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
    15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
    16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life (another proof Jesus Christ never died (http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm)!).
    17 For it is declared:

    “You are a priest forever,
        in the order of Melchizedek.”


    18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
    19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
    20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath,

    Again, to the reader, please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm




    A Brotherly Reminder:

    I want to end this reply by reminding you also with the following verses:

    Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." 

    Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows.  Notice here how "The Father" title was used for the All Knowing GOD Almighty.

    Also, if Christ was indeed your Creator, brother Jesus.breadoflife, then JESUS HERE CLEARLY LIED!  If he were GOD Almighty, he would've certainly known when the Hour would come.  Him denying that he had any knowledge about the Hour, while he supposedly knew it, makes him a liar.

    Luke 18:19 ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone."

    Mark 10:18 “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

    Trinity is false and a blasphemy.  Islam is the Divine Truth.  Indeed, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone for making the Noble Quran be the Perfect and Everlasting Miracle, for us humans, out of all of His Divine Miracles!  And may Allah Almighty send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our Beloved and Blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, Muhammad.  Ameen.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
     
     



    Trinity is another form of the pagan 3-headed god religions:

    So again, your belief is paganistic that originated from paganism.  This whole 3-headed god thing is all pagan, and comes from pagan origins.  Hinduism and Europes' pagan religions were all about 3-headed god, and/or 3 gods.  This is where your blapshemous and false trinity comes from.  It's another pagan version of the 3-headed god pagan religions.



     
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    John 4:24
    24 God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.’

    Jesus is the King of Jews/King of Israel in the, also the Saviour - all in the New Testament.

    Mark 15:32 (Lord Jesus is mocked when he is on the cross)
    32 Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe.’ Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him

    2 Peter 3:18
    18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

    When we looked to the Old Testament, we can see that the terms used to describe God matches this.

    Isaiah 44:6
    ‘This is what the Lord says –
        Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty:
    I am the first and I am the last;
        apart from me there is no God.

    Lord Jesus also says of himself that he is the first and last in the New Testament.

    Revealation 22:13
    I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

    There are many such examples which show that Jesus and the Father are one.

    Finally, dear brother, there is no need to call me a liar. I know the Bible to be amazing and true. My faith is not paganism or polytheism. My God is one - he is my Father, my rock, my protector, the Spirit who lives in me. Jesus is my Lord and I love him in perfect truth. God loves all of you, we are the work of his hands. Let there be no unpleasantness between us.

    God bless you all :)
     
     

    First of all, the Book of Revelation was a dream written by a person named "John".  He was neither the desciple John nor John the Baptist.

    Second of all, read Revelation 20, 21 and then 22.  You'll see clear distinctions between GOD Almighty, Jesus Christ, and the Servant-Angel and the rest of the Angels.  Jesus had Angels assigned for him from GOD Almighty.  And Jesus here, in this dream, is the beginning and the end here on earth!  The battle with satan, in other words, ends with HIM!  He is the Mighty Messiah that will create the Kingdom of GOD Almighty here on earth.  And as I already proved in my previous post, Jesus' inheritence (him being the heir of GOD Almighty) was ONLY FOR PLANET EARTH AND NOTHING MORE.  The Bible further says that all of the Believers are also the heirs of GOD Almighty.

    Read my previous rebuttals.  Start from this thread: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg2677.html#msg2677.

    May Allah Almighty continue to lead you to Islam.  Ameen.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: jesus.breadoflife on March 22, 2013, 06:50:34 pm
     Hi brother,

    God bless you all. I would just like to quickly reply to one of your points: that "God is one in all believers".  I am afraid you have misinterpreted this passage completely.

    John 17:21,22
    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    This verse is saying that all the believers should be as one. What does it mean for the believers to be one?

    Acts 4:32
    32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.

    Lord Jesus said that he and the Father are one -

    John 10:30
    30 I and the Father are one.”

    If you read John 17:21-22 carefully, it is saying that the believers should all be one just as Jesus and God are one. Clearly, this does not mean that the believers are all literally one person  but that they are of one heart and mind. There verses later that say that the believers should be one in God and Jesus (that they also may be one in us). Unless the spirit of God is in them and is helping them, it is impossible for people to always be completely of one heart and mind. I.e. unless they are walking in God's path, they cannot be one. Therefore, when we look at the passages, we can see that Jesus and the Father are one and the believers should all be one. I hope you can see the difference - the Bible does not say that believers and God are one but it says that Jesus and God are one.

    I will reply to the rest of your post in the next few days, if it is God's will.

    Let us humble ourselves before Almighty God, His steadfast love and mercy endure forever.

    Praise the Lord
     
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: Wizdom on March 28, 2013, 12:10:05 pm
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    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 28, 2013, 03:59:32 pm
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    As'salamu Alaikum my dear brother Tariq,

    I don't know what we would've done without you, akhi.  Hehehehhe :).  I got very used to your bumps that after I make a post, I go to sleep for a while to wait for you to wake me up :).  Thank you for help us to push ourselves.  I appreciate it dear brother.


     
    Hi brother,

    God bless you all. I would just like to quickly reply to one of your points: that "God is one in all believers".  I am afraid you have misinterpreted this passage completely.

    John 17:21,22
    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    This verse is saying that all the believers should be as one. What does it mean for the believers to be one?
     

    Peace be upon you my dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,

    All I needed to do to thoroughly silence this blasphemy that you wrote, and believe in, was simply emphasise a couple of quotes from your writings.  Do you even see how ridiculous and stupid trinity is?  I mean, we're not talking about here some straight forward and clear texts that your Bible has about Jesus being MY CREATOR, and here me the blasphemous Muslim rejecting them.  No, we're talking about your polytheist and pagan people inventing insults and blasphemies on GOD Almighty.  Let us take a look at a few simple points here:

    1-  The Believers are to be one in each others and in Jesus and in GOD Almighty EXACTLY GOD Almighty and Jesus are also one in mission and purpose.  I have no idea how you missed that my dear one.

    2-  The Glory that GOD Almighty gave to Jesus??  Do you even understand what you read, my brother?  If Jesus was your Creator, then how could GLory be GIVENNNN to him?  It would've been part of him from eternity.  The fact that it was given to Jesus proves that Jesus was a mere creation of GOD Almighty, my beloved brother.


    An Amazing Blasphemy!

    And I have already proven in my thorough refutations above, that this whole thing about Jesus' Kingdom, Power and Might, and him being the Heir of GOD, and the Authority that was given to him by GOD Almighty, are all limited and contained to planet earth ONLY, according to the Bible itself, and that Jesus had to have all of this might, power, miracles and authority because HE HAD TO BE A MATCH to the Jews' heighest priest, Melchizedek, who had no begining and end, nor had he father or mother.

    I find it quite interesting here that Melchizedek being Eternal, and not having a begining nor an end, nor was he born from any father or mother, nor did he have any father or mother is not literal to you from the Bible, but Jesus and the Father are One in purpose and mission has to mean that Jesus is our Creator.  I truly find that to be quite an amazing trinitarian blasphemy and absurdity.

    To the reader, please see my refutations above for ample Biblical verses on Melchizedek and many other points.

    And I have already proven in my thorough refutations above, that "THE FATHER" in the Bible means the Al-Knowing GOD Almighty, according to how the Bible defined it.

    And I have already proven in my thorough refutations above, that "The Son" means Righeous and Blessed Servant and Creation of GOD Almighty, also according to how the Bible defined it.


     
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    Acts 4:32
    32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.

    Lord Jesus said that he and the Father are one -

    John 10:30
    30 I and the Father are one.”

    If you read John 17:21-22 carefully, it is saying that the believers should all be one just as Jesus and God are one.
     

    This further proves my point and refutes yours, my dear brother.


     
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    Clearly, this does not mean that the believers are all literally one person  but that they are of one heart and mind.
     

    So why do you then want to force the same statement on Jesus and GOD Almighty to be literal, and to mean that Jesus is your Creator?  Why can't you humble yourself (arrogant, bold and daring towards GOD, and humble towards humans is what Christians are) before GOD Almighty and not force nonsensical reading and blasphemies into the simple text?


     
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    There verses later that say that the believers should be one in God and Jesus (that they also may be one in us). Unless the spirit of God is in them and is helping them, it is impossible for people to always be completely of one heart and mind. I.e. unless they are walking in God's path, they cannot be one. Therefore, when we look at the passages, we can see that Jesus and the Father are one and the believers should all be one. I hope you can see the difference - the Bible does not say that believers and God are one but it says that Jesus and God are one.

    I will reply to the rest of your post in the next few days, if it is God's will.

    Let us humble ourselves before Almighty God, His steadfast love and mercy endure forever.

    Praise the Lord

     
     

    May Allah Almighty continue to lead you and lead the reader more and more towards Islam, and may Allah Almighty open your heart to Islam and have you convert someday.  Ameen.


    Did you know that it's not ELOH-IM?  It's ALLAH!

    My beloved, Allah Almighty had sent you here to test you.  There is a purpose and a reason why you and I are having this discussion.  I am very sorry if I ever offended you.  I just sincerely hope and pray to Allah Almighty that you see that you're being called by GOD Almighty to embrace Islam.  Islam is the Original Faith.  And Islam came to the Arabs (fresh and had no previous and corrupt scriptures) to restore the original Faith (http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm).  The original Believers from Adam and Noah and others were always called Muslims, according to your own Scriptures (http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm) in Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek.  Other ancient Scriptures also outside the Bible have the same claim.  And Islam had started with Adam and ended with Muhammad, peace be upon all of the Messengers and Prophets of Allah Almighty. 

    And last and definitely not least, Did you know that Elohim is Allah?  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following links for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

    www.answering-christianity.com/allah.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/allah6.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

    Consider these points and take them to heart as you type your next response.

    Take care dear brother,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: Wizdom on March 29, 2013, 07:18:08 am
    As'salamu Alaikum my dear brother Tariq,

    I don't know what we would've done without you, akhi.  Hehehehhe :).  I got very used to your bumps that after I make a post, I go to sleep for a while to wait for you to wake me up :).  Thank you for help us to push ourselves.  I appreciate it dear brother.
     

    :D No problem brother Osama, and thank you very much, and you're welcome :)
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: jesus.breadoflife on April 02, 2013, 05:11:22 pm
    Praise the Lord,

     
    John 17:21,22
    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    This verse is saying that all the believers should be as one. What does it mean for the believers to be one?
     

    Peace be upon you my dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,

    All I needed to do to thoroughly silence this blasphemy that you wrote, and believe in, was simply emphasise a couple of quotes from your writings.  Do you even see how ridiculous and stupid trinity is?  I mean, we're not talking about here some straight forward and clear texts that your Bible has about Jesus being MY CREATOR, and here me the blasphemous Muslim rejecting them.  No, we're talking about your polytheist and pagan people inventing insults and blasphemies on GOD Almighty.  Let us take a look at a few simple points here:

    1-  The Believers are to be one in each others and in Jesus and in GOD Almighty EXACTLY GOD Almighty and Jesus are also one in mission and purpose.  I have no idea how you missed that my dear one.
    [/quote]

    At the risk of repeating myself,
    1. The believers should all be as one - in their hearts.
    2. Jesus says they should be "one in us" - i.e. what unites them to be one is Lord Jesus and the Father.
    3. Jesus says that he and the Father are one
    4. The Bible does not say that God and the believers are one.
     
     
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    Clearly, this does not mean that the believers are all literally one person  but that they are of one heart and mind.
     

    So why do you then want to force the same statement on Jesus and GOD Almighty to be literal, and to mean that Jesus is your Creator?  Why can't you humble yourself (arrogant, bold and daring towards GOD, and humble towards humans is what Christians are) before GOD Almighty and not force nonsensical reading and blasphemies into the simple text?

     
     

    Well, we do not believe that the Father and Son are literally one - since the Father did not come into this world but the Son did and he is the one that died on the cross. For example, your sprit, soul and body are separate yet you are one person.

    There are many verses in the Bible which show that Lord Jesus is more than an ordinary man. The  Son of God appeared to his people even in the Old Testament and spoke to them.

    Isaiah 44:6

    Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
        and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
    “I am the first and I am the last;
        besides me there is no god.

    Isaiah 43:10

    11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

    We can see that Jesus is also called the King of Israel and the saviour (i.e. Redeemer) in the New Testament.

    1 Peter 1:1

    1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

    John 1:49

    49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

    Brother, there is no need to apologise at all; I love you as Lord Jesus has taught me and if I have caused you any offence, it was not intentional.

    1 Corinthians 13: 4-6
    4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonour others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

    I hope this is something we can all agree on :)

    This will be my last reply on this particular post. If God allows, I will start posting new topics (covering other things highlighted in this post, perhaps) in a few days.

    God bless us all.
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on April 02, 2013, 09:17:16 pm
    Well, we do not believe that the Father and Son are literally one - since the Father did not come into this world but the Son did and he is the one that died on the cross. For example, your sprit, soul and body are separate yet you are one person.
     

    Peace be upon you dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,

    I knew this answer was going to come up sometime in our discussion.  Here is the problem with your analogy:

    1-  You do not own your body, nor are YOU your body (hands, arms, feet, etc...).  Your body is no more than a vehicle that Allah Almighty has created from dust to be 100% under your service.

    2-  There are things that you have no control over, such as controlling your heart beats, the functioning of your other organs such as your lungs, kidneys, stomach, and so on.  They work beyond your control.

    3-  If Jesus was GOD and GOD was Jesus, then Jesus can not be the helpless and weak and begging Servant, who couldn't do anything without GOD Almighty's Permission and Will. 



    Jesus hid and ran away after he delcared to be Yahweh?!

    Timing just couldn't be any more perfect.  HEAR ME O PEOPLE:  I AM YAHWEH...  OH NO!!  SOME BODY HELP!!  RUN!!!!

    If Jesus Christ was indeed Yahweh Almighty, the Sovereign LORD and Creator of this entire Universe and everything, then Jesus Christ would not have run away from few men charging towards him with stones by crawling on his four and hiding under a table and sneaking out the door, while some men wanted to beat him up while others were trying to break it up and prevent them.  At the very least, he could've pointed his finger at them and froze them in their places.  But no, he ran away with fear from a bunch of men:

    John 8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%208&version=NIV)
    58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
    59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him (throw stones at him in other words; not STONE him to death), but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

    Interestingly, you believe that Jesus in John 8 declared himself to be YAHWEH ALMIGHTY by saying "I Am" (false translation as we will see shortly).  Yet, he hid and ran out after this very declaration???  Trinity could not be anymore blasphemous and preposterous, my dear brother.  Jesus Christ never said "I am".  Here is the context in full:

    John 8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%208&version=NIV)
    1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
    2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them.
    3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group
    4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
    5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?”
    6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.  But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger.
    7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
    8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
    9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there.
    10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
    11 “No one, sir,” she said.

    “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

    Dispute Over Jesus’ Testimony

    12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
    13 The Pharisees challenged him, “Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid.”
    14 Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going.
    15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.
    16 But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me.
    17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true.
    18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”
    19 Then they asked him, “Where is your father?”

    “You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”

    20 He spoke these words while teaching in the temple courts near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his hour had not yet come.

    Dispute Over Who Jesus Is

    21 Once more Jesus said to them, “I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come.”
    22 This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?”
    23 But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
    24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
    25 “Who are you?” they asked.

    “Just what I have been telling you from the beginning,” Jesus replied.

    26 “I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”
    27 They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father.
    28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up[a] the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.
    29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.”
    30 Even as he spoke, many believed in him.

    Dispute Over Whose Children Jesus’ Opponents Are

    31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
    32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
    33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
    34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
    35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
    36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
    37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word.
    38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b ]”
    39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.

    “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did.
    40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”

    “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”

    42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own (again, not on MY OWN); God sent me.

    43 Why is my language not clear to you? (O brother Jesus.breadoflife, why is Jesus Christ's language NOT clear to you my beloved??!!) Because you are unable to hear what I say.

    44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
    45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
    46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?
    47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says (THIS IS HOW GOD AND JESUS ARE ONE!  JESUS BELONGS TO GOD LIKE VERY OTHER BELIEVER AND CREATION). The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

    Jesus’ Claims About Himself

    48 The Jews answered him, “Aren’t we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?”
    49 “I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus, “but I honor my Father and you dishonor me.
    50 I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge.
    51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”
    52 At this they exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death.
    53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”
    54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.
    55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word.
    56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”
    57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” (notice how the English translators put "!" instead of "?")

    58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “
    before Abraham was born, I am I WAS (or I have seen Abraham, or I existed before Abraham)!
    59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.



    Jesus directly answered the question!

    Again, the question was:  57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham?”

    Jesus directly answered the question.  Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/iam.htm to see three online Greek dictionaries that clearly prove that the Greek word used here also means I WAS and/or I HAVE.  And the context is crystal clear about this.  The Jews said to Christ that you are not even fifty years old and you claim that you have seen Abraham who have existed thousands of years before you??  Jesus replied to this by saying that yes, HE EXISTED EVEN BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.



     
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    There are many verses in the Bible which show that Lord Jesus is more than an ordinary man. The  Son of God appeared to his people even in the Old Testament and spoke to them.

    Isaiah 44:6

    Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
        and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
    “I am the first and I am the last;
        besides me there is no god.

    Isaiah 43:10

    11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

    We can see that Jesus is also called the King of Israel and the saviour (i.e. Redeemer) in the New Testament.

    1 Peter 1:1

    1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

    John 1:49

    49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
     



    Isaiah 44:6 OUT OF CONTEXT:

    When you read Isaiah 44 in full, you'll see that GOD Almighty is speaking with Jacob, whom also GOD Almighty called him Israel.  Isaiah 44:6 is not talking about GOD Almighty and Jesus.  It's talking about GOD Almighty AND ONLY GOD Almighty being:

    1-  King of Israel.
    2-  The redeemer of Israel (Jacob).

    Let us look at the entire context in full:

    Isaiah 44 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2044&version=NIV)

    Israel the Chosen

    1 “But now listen, Jacob, my servant, Israel, whom I have chosen.
    2 This is what the Lord says— he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you: Do not be afraid, Jacob, my servant, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.
    3 For I will pour water on the thirsty land, and streams on the dry ground; I will pour out my Spirit on your offspring, and my blessing on your descendants.
    4 They will spring up like grass in a meadow, like poplar trees by flowing streams.
    5 Some will say, ‘I belong to the Lord’; others will call themselves by the name of Jacob; still others will write on their hand, ‘The Lord’s,’     and will take the name Israel.

    The Lord, Not Idols

    6 “This is what the Lord says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

    So it is very clear that GOD Almighty here is referring to Himself as the King of Israel and its Redeemer.  The verse is not talking about two gods.  It's talking about ONE GOD ALMIGHTY.

    As to Christ being the beginning and end and the savior, I already elaborated on this in great details from the New Testament, in the above posts, by demonstrating that this is referring to Christ ending all evil here on earth when he crushes the anti-Christ.  And everything about Christ from being Miraculous and Powerful and Mighty and the King of the Jews had to be given to him because he had to be like the Jews' Highest Priest, melchizedek, who had no beginning nor end, and no father and no mother, and nor was he born from any mother or father, AND HE WAS ETERNAL, according to the Bible's Old and New Testaments.

    Furthermore, Jesus power and miracles and authority were all 100% given to him by GOD Almighty, his Creator.  There is no dispute about this from the Bible.  So him being Miraculous doesn't prove anything.

    Furthermore, I already also demonstrated from the Bible's Old and New Testaments that "THE FATHER" means the Highest Priest when used for humans, and the GOD Almighty the Al-Knowing when used for GOD Almighty.

    Furthermore, I also already demonstrated above from the Bible also that "SON OF GOD" means Righteous Servant of GOD Almighty who is loved by GOD Almighty.


     
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    Brother, there is no need to apologise at all; I love you as Lord Jesus has taught me and if I have caused you any offence, it was not intentional.

    1 Corinthians 13: 4-6
    4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonour others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

    I hope this is something we can all agree on :)

    This will be my last reply on this particular post. If God allows, I will start posting new topics (covering other things highlighted in this post, perhaps) in a few days.

    God bless us all.
     
     

    May Allah Almighty bless you for these wonderful verse, dear brother Jesus.breadoflife.  Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

    [005:082]  Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.


    Please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/blessed_jesus.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

    May Allah Almighty bless you dear brother.  Ameen.  You're more than welcomed to continue to respond to this thread.  But if you wish to discontinue, then as you wish, dear brother.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on April 03, 2013, 09:47:33 am
    This is a continuation to my detailed must-read rebuttal above....



    Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus?

    Yes it does.  GOD Almighty created the flesh and blood Jesus, and GOD Almighty MADE Jesus from the Word.  I have also covered this topic in one of my debates in great details:

     

    Is Jesus the GOD-Man?


    Dr. Edward Dalcour

    VS


    Osama Abdallah


    Jesus Christ belongs to the World of Command.  He is a BEING.  We belong to the world of Creations.  We are CREATURES.  Our SPIRITS belong to the World of Command.  And so does also the Word, the Holy Spirit, Melchizedek (the Jews' Highest Priest who had no father and no mother, and no beginning and no end, whom Christ had to be created "in his order (http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3309.html?PHPSESSID=6ba0e4dca30b187fd44033f4ceda1659#msg3309)", and had to be Miraculous like Melchizedek in order to be a match to him, and be made "in the order of Melchizedek".  See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7:1-20), and perhaps many of the Angels and many of the invisible Beings out there.  Yet, everything is under the Power and Command and Control of Allah Almighyty:

    "In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against God, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For God hath power over all things."  (The Noble Quran, 5:17)"

    Jesus was declared to be the "first and the last" and the "beginning and the end".  So what is Jesus' first or beginning?  It's when he WAS or WAS MADE according to John 1:1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%201&version=KJV).  Jesus came from the "REALM OF COMMAND" according to the Glorious Quran.  The Bible also agrees with this:

    John 1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%201&version=KJV)
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God with authority.

    Why did I cross "God" and replace it with "with authority"?  The following gives the clear answer:

     
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    One might ask: Why was "God" crossed out and replaced with "with authority"?

    Answer: Because the same word (THEOS or the compound one HOTHEOS) was also used for satan to describe him the "God of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4:

    "The GOD of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Corinthians 4:4)"

    SATAN WAS CALLED GOD in 2 Corinthians 4:4.  Yet, satan, like the idols, fails the challenge of GOD Almighty to prove that they are GOD:
       
    Isaiah 41
    21 Come then, says the Lord, your pleadings! Let the King of Jacob hear your contentions;
    22 let them come forward, these other gods, and tell us the future. So read the past for us, that the study of it may disclose what needs must follow; coming events make known.
    23 Foretell you what is yet to be, we shall know you are gods indeed. Then, if you have the power, grant good or ill fortune to mankind; confer we, and pass judgment on it!
    24 Why, you are all empty air, a nothing that nothing can effect; he courts his own shame, that makes choice of you.

    Satan can not do any of these.  So THEOS ("God", the same Greek word used for The Word in John 1:1 means having rule and authority, and not being actually GOD Almighty Himself.

    The cursed satan obviously was no one's Creator.  So the use of the word "GOD" for him is a mistranslation, because GOD here means one with authority or rule, and not actually Allah Almighty Himself.  The same thing about Jesus Christ, who was created from the Word of Allah Almighty.  Jesus was given a limited authority by Allah Almighty here on earth ONLY (http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm):

    John 5
    25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
    26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
    27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

    John 17:21-22
    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    Matthew 28:18
    18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

    The Bible declares that Jesus is the one who will inherit EARTH after he crushes satan.  This is where he is called the HEIR OF GOD.  The Bible limits Jesus inheritence to earth only, and also limits Jesus' power and authority to earth only as well.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm

    This is also where Jesus was called called:

    1-  Mighty God.
    2-  Wonderful Counsler.
    3-  Everlasting Father (Rabbi).
    4-  Prince of Peace.

    This is all discussed in great details at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3122.html#msg3122.

    All Jewish Rabbis were called "Father".  This is also where Roman Catholics get the "Father" title from.  And Jesus being "Everlasting Father" means he is the highest Jewish Rabbi and Messiah, because he is the Messiah and the King of the Jews.  See the previous posts above for a lot more details.

    Also, Son of GOD in the Bible means a Righteous Chosen Servant of GOD Almighty.  Also, GOD Almighty called "THE FATHER" means He is the Al-Knowing and Al-Mighty GOD Almighty.  Also, all believers are called GOD in the Bible:

    Psalm 82:6  "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' "

    For ample more proofs, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm.

    And again, please visit the link that I gave above for ample more Biblical verses and proofs and discussions:  http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3122.html#msg3122.

    Also visit this important discussion about Jesus' Will, and how GOD Almighty makes him live ("I live because of GOD"):  http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1617.msg6417.html#msg6417

    Also, the following are my thorough answers to many of the Questions that were asked regarding trintiy on this board: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1635.msg6491.html#msg6491

    Also on the main website (http://www.answering-christianity.com), you can visit the Answering Trinity (http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links) main section, which has tons of articles and refutations to the falsehood of trinity.

    Also visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm.
     
     

    2 The same was in the beginning with God (YAHWEH ALMIGHTY).
    3 All things were made by him (that's YAHWEH ALMIGHTY); and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
    5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
    7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
    8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
    9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
    10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
    11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
    12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
    13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
    16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
    17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


    The World of GOD's Command:

    In Islam there are:

    1-  GOD Almighty, the Supreme and Soverign LORD and Creator of Everything.

    2-  Then under GOD Almighty, there is what is known in Islam as
    عالم الأمر or the World of Command.  This is where the Word of GOD Almighty, the Spirit (includes the Holy Spirit), and perhaps many of the special Angels were all WERE MADE IN.  Allah Almighty Made a reference regarding this World in many Noble Verses such as the following:

    ‏2:117
    بديع السماوات والارض واذا قضى امرا فانما يقول له كن فيكون

    [002:117]  To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is.

    ‏3:47
    قالت رب انى يكون لي ولد ولم يمسسني بشر قال كذلك الله يخلق مايشاء اذا قضى امرا فانما يقول له كن فيكون

    [003:047]  She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: God createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!

    ‏3:59
    ان مثل عيسى عند الله كمثل ادم خلقه من تراب ثم قال له كن فيكون

    [003:059]  The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

    ‏6:73
    وهو الذي خلق السماوات والارض بالحق ويوم يقول كن فيكون قوله الحق وله الملك يوم ينفخ في الصور عالم الغيب والشهادة وهو الحكيم الخبير

    [006:073]  It is He who created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): the day He saith, "Be," behold! it is. His word is the truth. His will be the dominion the day the trumpet will be blown. He knoweth the unseen as well as that which is open. For He is the Wise, well acquainted (with all things).

    ‏16:40
    انما قولنا لشئ اذا اردناه ان نقول له كن فيكون

    [016:040]  For to anything which We have willed, We but say the word, "Be", and it is.

    ‏19:35
    ماكان لله ان يتخذ من ولد سبحانه اذا قضى امرا فانما يقول له كن فيكون

    [019:035]  It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

    "They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: 'The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)' (The Noble Quran, 17:85)"

    [097:004]  Therein come down the angels and the Spirit by God's Command, on every errand:

    This World we call in Islam "Aalam Al-Amr" (
    عالم الأمر) or the World of the Command of GOD Almighty, where everything in it was Created by a Simple Command from GOD Almighty of BE and THEY WERE.

    The Bible too speaks about Spirits, and interestingly, the Spirit of FEARING GOD will rest upon Jesus, the Servant of GOD Almighty:

    Isaiah 11:1-3
    "1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
    2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
    counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
    3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
    decide by what he hears with his ears;"

    For ample more details and proofs, please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/holy_spirit.htm


    3-  And there is Alam Al-Khalq (عالم الخلق) or the World of Creation.  This is where the water and dust, and the flesh and blood creations are.  And this is also where the SELF (nafs) and the SPIRIT (rouh), two seperate beings, enter into our fleshes to make us Humans.  This is also where we carry the Attributes of GOD Almighty in Islam, or as the Bible puts it, this is where we have become the Image of GOD Almighty, or were created in the Image of GOD Almighty. 

    I talked about SELF (nafs) and SPIRIT (rouh) in great details in the past on this blog.  For ample more details, please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,650.msg1523.html#msg1523

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm



    And what is Jesus' End or Last?

    According to the Bible, Jesus Christ must inherit the earth from GOD Almighty by crushing all evil on it, forever.  Jesus is the HEIR OF GOD ALMIGHTY only on earth and nothing more.  The Bible makes this abdundantly clear.  Please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    The Bible also calls all believers as the HEIRS OF GOD ALMIGHTY.  So Jesus' Last or End is when the Lord Jesus Christ defeats the army of the anti-Christ, and establishes the Kingdom of GOD Almighty here on Earth while the earth and the Universe lasts, and before DEATH comes upon all creations:

    [003:185]  Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception.

    According to Islam, everything that was ever created and made by Allah Almighty will and must taste death.  They must go through death.  Only Allah Almighty doesn't die and never dies, and will never die.

    I ask Allah Almighty that this helps to clarify the blasphemous trinity confusions.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: Mohammed on January 10, 2014, 11:13:11 am
    If you go to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jesus_Christ) you will find they cite 5 (non-Christian) references which supposedly prove that 'Isa was crucified. Someone should refute the claim.
     
     

    I am gonna get vulgar on this , but hope somebody is able to explain the same logic in a better way .

    If there were two persons A and B who faught in an infiniti amount of time ago .

    and there were 140,000 people watching them .

    Person A does a special move in which he head-attacked the person B in his stomach and simultaneously hit the testis with his hand or something .

    The People at that time dint know getting hit in the testis hard enough can cause death ( recent discovery )

    Person B dies .

    The 140,000 people saw that the Person died because "Person A had hit him in the Stomach" and the same message gets passed for a million years

    For, if we ask or do research on "how person B died" , The BEST and AUTHENTIC source of information would be person B itself .


    Coming to Jesus and his crucifixion .

    We should apply the same logic . The Person who knows best about the situation which happened to him would be the person HIMSELF .

    But In the Case of Jesus , Christians claim him as "God" , A million witnesses would still be particle of sand against the words of Jesus for them.

    SO TO EVERYONE , TO PROVE CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS CHRIST YOU NEED TO FIRST ESTABLISH THAT THE WORDS OF JESUS ARE GREATER THAN ALL OTHER PEOPLE . The Number witnesses doesn't matter unless he is an atheist .

    And if you ask any Christian , "Do you believe in Jesus or people more ?" , and he will 100% say "jesus" or he is not a True Christian .

    So yah , it doesn't matter the number witness or people when it comes to words of Jesus to a Christian .

    A Lot of people saw the "plane" hitting the Pentagon, But infact it was cruise missle which hit it and THERE IS AMPLE PROO for that too(on this website),

    So next time any Christian tells you about witnesses, Ask them "who do you believe more in, Jesus or People?"

    "Sometimes the Truth is not what you saw"




     
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: Mohammed on January 11, 2014, 05:00:22 am
    Dear Brother ,

    I do not mean to offend you but I am telling this out of love and care,

    you are indeed a very knowledge person ,

    But I feel that you are not a good "debater" compared to those apologists when it comes to oral debating,

    whenever I come to this website I find so powerfull arguments but they are absent in your debates :( .

    Inshallah I hope you will improve on this.
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: TheEyeofGod on May 20, 2014, 03:39:17 pm
    Hello my people, peace be unto you .                             
    Sometimes If I see some of you people posts , I will just be laughing and won't want to stop.
    This scriptures is very very clear and straight, I don't know why you people are twisting it and want to turn your brain to another thing. All is Well

    John 1

    1 In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) , and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He (Jesus) was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him(Jesus)  all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light(Jesus)  shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

    Here let us understand that , Jesus was with God before anything on earth were created, and the word(Jesus) was God Himself, truly all things were made through word except human,(which means , all things were made trough Jesus the word).  Jesus was with God before the creation of anything on earth.

     6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
    9 The true light that gives light to everyone (I.e Jesus)was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God...

    God sent fort John to testify concerning Jesus Christ

    v14 The Word (Jesus)  became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
     
    If He didn't became like us to dwell with us like flesh, how can we belief in Him? Imagine He was a spirit, people will even be afraid of Him.
    Just because He wanted to save the world ,He came down in Form of man, yet people like you didn't believe in Him. Yoruba adage says" who so ever want to catch monkey will act like a monkey" which means if Jesus want to show us the way to heaven he must be like us as man.

    v15 John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, "This is the one I spoke about when I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.'"
    John let us know that He(Jesus) was before him, does that mean Jesus has come to earth. And went back before? NO! He simply means , before he was created, Jesus was in Heaven already.

    v18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
     But brothers I will like you to ask for Holy spirit to translate the word of God to you in the right way, flesh cannot understand it because, this word is spirit and life. # shalom 
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 20, 2014, 09:34:53 pm
    As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

    One thing about our trinitarian friend, TheEyeofGod (a blasphemous name against GOD by the way), is his colorful way of posting nonsense and calling it "a response".  As everyone can clearly see above, he hasn't refuted anything here.  Not only that, but he has forced the Bible to read Jesus as the Word, and not a creation from the Word.  I've thoroughly went through this at:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3309.html#msg3309

    There are so many points to mention here, which I don't feel necessary to post.  Just read the link and see for yourselves.  Here are a few points:

    1-  Jesus was made from the Word, and this Word became flesh.

    2-  Jesus had the Spirit of fearing GOD in him.

    3-  Jesus said he doesn't know when the Hour will come, and that only GOD Almighty Alone knows.

    4-  Jesus said why do you call me Good?  No one is Good except GOD Almighty Alone.

    5-  Jesus had no will.

    6-  Jesus was Miraculous because he had to match Melchizedek, who was the Jews highest Priest, who had no father and no mother, and no beginning and no end.

    Did our trinitarian friend here refute any of this??  Absolutely not!  These are the few that I could think of.  Again, please visit the link for detailed verses and proofs.

    And for detailed proofs on Islam being the Original Religion of the Bible, and GOD Almighty's Original Faith to all of mankind even according to the Bible itself, visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm#capsule

    And last and not least, to see the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran, please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: TheEyeofGod on May 21, 2014, 08:17:44 am
    Well said brother, no matter what you call me , I really appreciate it. But I will beg you not be upset.
     

    JESUS HAD THE SPIRIT OF FEARING GOD IN HIM -
    JESUs SAID hE DOESNT KNOW WHEN THE HOUR WILL COME
    If He didn't fear God , who else will He fear ? Satan?
    I said the other time that" He want us to use his lifestyle as Example" if he didn't fear God, how did He expect us to fear God also?
    He said he didn't know the time, because if he had told us the time, some people today will be doing another thing, they won't worship nor fear God again, until the day is near, people will say " let me enjoy myself and I will repent later when the day is about to come.


    JESUS SAID "WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD? NO ONE IS GOOD EXCEPT GOD ALMIGHTY ALONE"
    Jesus has brought Himself down to our level ( that was why He became flesh) , that's why He said that. Can I ask you this question? Did you ever read that Jesus committed  any crime, did  bad thing?
     
     JESUS HAD NO WILL
    Meaning of WILL:-  A desire, purpose, or determination. *Jesus DESIRED to come to the world . Rev. 5
    *He came PURPOSEFULLY to die for our sins, for our salvation, and to give us eternal life.
    * He DETERMINED to die for our sins, if He didn't , He wouldn't Have allow them to captured Him. Matt 26:53  Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?    He knew what He came to this world for, and didn't use His power change His plan. So how can you said He has no will?


     Jesus was Miraculous because he had to match
    Melchizedek, who was the Jews highest Priest,
    who had no father and no mother, and no
    beginning and no end.

    It begins with a quick summary of the story in
    Genesis 14: "This Melchizedek was king of Salem
    and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham
    returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed
    him, and Abraham gave him a tenth of
    everything" ( Heb. 7:1-2).
     the unusual name is explained. The Hebrew
    word melek means king, and tsedek means
    righteousness, so his name is explained as
    meaning "king of righteousness." And since
    shalom means peace, he was also the "king of
    peace" (v. 2). These titles are significant because
    Melchizedek prefigures Jesus Christ.
    Then we are told that Melchizedek was "without
    father or mother, without genealogy, without
    beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of
    God he remains a priest forever" (v. 3).

    Melchizedeks name was translated king of
    righteousness (Hebrew 7:2).
    Prophet Isaiah said about Christ, Behold, a King
    will reign in righteousness (Isaiah 32:1).
    Christ is the King of righteousness (Romans 3:24;
    Hebrew 7:26).Melchizedek was called the
    (Genesis 14:18), king of Salem meaning king of
    peace. Christ is the king of peace, For unto us a
    Child is born, unto us a Son is given and His
    name will be Prince of peace. Of the increase of
    His government and peace there will be no end
    (Isaiah 9:6, 7). Peace started by His birth, that is
    sung by the angels (Luke 2:14). He is also the
    giver of peace, Peace I leave with you My peace I
    give to you; not as the world gives do I give to
    you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it
    be afraid (John 14:27; cf. John 16:33).
    All the kings came from Judahs tribe and the
    priests from Levis. However, Melchizedek was
    both a king and a priest, For Melchizedek, king
    of Salem, priest of the Most High God. (Hebrew 7:1). Christ is the only One who came as King and Priest, He shall bear the glory,and He shall sit and rule on His throne, so He shall be a Priest on His throne (Zachariah 6:13). This is why the wisemen offered Him gold and frankincense. Concerning His priesthood, David the Prophet said, The Lord has sworn and will not relent, You are a Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek (Psalms 110:6). St. Paul indicates, Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood what further need was there that another priest should rise according to
    the order of Melchizedek, and not be called
    according to the order of Aaron? (Hebrew 7:11).
    By so much more, Jesus has become a surety of a
    better covenant (Hebrew 7:21, 22). Melchizedek was called to be made like the Son of God (Hebrew 7:3). Christ is the only begotten Son of God: We have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God (Hebrew 4:14). Melchizedek was without father, without mother, without genealogy (Hebrew 7:3). Christ was without father, concerning His priesthood, because He came from Judahs tribe and not from Levis For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood (Hebrew 7:14). On the
    other hand, Christ, as a son of Man, was without
    father; and as a Son of God is without mother
    (because the Virgin Mary did not give birth to His
    divinity).
    Melchizedek was called to be having neither
    beginning of days nor an end of life (Hebrew 7:3)
    . Christ has no beginning of days or end of life
    because He is the Alpha and the Omega, the
    beginning and the end, eternal and everlasting
    (Revelation 1:8). He ever lives to make
    intercession for them (Hebrew 7:25).
    About Melchizedeks priesthood, St. Paul said, he
    remains a priest continually (Hebrew 7:3).
    Christs priesthood never ends but remains
    forever, But He, because He continues forever,
    had an unchangeable priesthood (Hebrew 1:24).
    Melchizedek offered bread and wine for Abraham
    as a sign of love. It was the only offering in the
    Old Testament, which was not bloody, but from
    bread and wine (Gen 14:18). Christ offered to us
    His body and blood as bread and wine as the
    utmost love, which He gave for us upon the cross
    for our salvation (Matthew 26:26; Mark 14:22;
    Luke 22:19; John 6:51-54; 1 Corinthians 11:24).

    JESUS WAS MADE FROM THE WORD, AND THIS WORD BECAME FLESH.
     
    Even we human being was not made by word , talk less of Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God.  Although all the creation were made of word by God, but God had to stress Himself and mould  human. What you don't know is that before anything were created , Jesus was there with God.
    So He came in form of man
    I. To show us how He want us to live our lives, He received training, be beaten and so on, despite all his Glory he became flesh to show us the way.
    ii. He can in form of flesh for us to believe in Him, imagine He was a spirit, no one can ever believe in Him. Despite all this (by coming in form of man) yet,you people didn't  believe in Him.
    John uses the Greek word logos to describe Jesus
    "in the beginning," or before creation and time
    began. Logos means word, but specifically it
    means the spoken word or a statement. Jesus is
    God's spoken word, according to John.
    John then explains that the Word (Jesus) was
    "with" God and "was" God. This statement yields
    two important conclusions regarding Jesus and
    the Trinity: Jesus is God and existed from the
    beginning as God, yet Jesus' existence is somehow
    distinct from God the Father. Jesus was "with"
    God and "was" God at the same time. This is the
    mystery of the Trinity: all three Persons in the
    Godhead are One God and yet all are distinct
    from one another.
    Moving to verse 3, John says that it was the Word
    (Him) that created all things. From this statement,
    we begin to see why Jesus is called the "Word" by
    John. Consider these facts we learn from John's
    Gospel and elsewhere in Scripture:
    First, we know from scripture that God the Father
    is Spirit (John 4:24), meaning He doesn't exist in
    physical form. So, there is no physical substance
    to God the Father. The Creation cannot
    experience the Father as He truly is, since we are
    bound to a physical dimension yet He is not
    physical.
    Secondly, we know that God's Spirit is likewise
    invisible (John 3:6-8). He can only be known by
    observing His work in the Creation.
    On the other hand, Jesus is the member of the
    Godhead responsible for all physical matter. As
    John said, all things were made by and through
    Jesus. Paul says the same thing in Col 1:15-17.
    More over, Paul teaches in Colossians that Jesus is
    the "image of the invisible God." Therefore, He is
    the only Person in the Godhead Who has entered
    into and become a part of the physical creation.
    Jesus can be seen in a physical sense, because He
    is the One Who entered into the Creation and
    become a part of it (i.e., became incarnate).
    Therefore, Jesus is the One within the Trinity Who
    is associated with Creation, both as its source and
    as an ambassador of the Godhead to that
    creation.
    Next, consider how the Creation itself was
    established in Genesis 1. Genesis 1 teaches that
    the world was created by the spoken word of God
    (note the repeating phrase in Genesis 1, "Then
    God said..."). So when God the Father determined
    to created the universe and everything in it, He
    "spoke" it into existence. But as John said in verse
    3, Jesus was the One who made all things,
    therefore we can say that Jesus was God's logos,
    or spoken Word.
     
     
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 21, 2014, 01:32:30 pm
    Quote
    If He didn't fear God , who else will He fear ? Satan?
     

    Man, do you trinitarian infidels hear yourselves, or even understand what you vomit out of your mouths??  Do you not scream from the top of your lungs that Jesus is OUR CREATOR?  So now it's ok for him to fear GOD?  Amazing blasphemy and utter stupidity indeed.

     
    Quote
    Even we human being was not made by word , talk less of Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God.
     

    Adam was created from the Word and so was Eve.  Melchizedek's creation according to the Bible is even greater than Jesus', because Melchizedek had no beginning and no end, and no father and no mother.  And the Bible says that Jesus was Miraculous because he had to be a match to Melchizedek

    Also, COUNTLESS BEINGS from the World of the Unseen, or the World of Command (http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_creator_or_created.htm) as it is called in Islam, are created from the Word and the Spirit.  Our Souls are created from the Spirit.  Jesus is a mighty Being, but he is not the Creator of the Universe.

    Again, visit my above detailed posts for ample details.  You have nothing but blasphemies.  You're gambling with your soul, my dear.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: TheEyeofGod on May 21, 2014, 05:03:20 pm
    Quote
    If He didn't fear God , who else will He fear ? Satan?
     

    Man, do you trinitarian infidels hear yourselves, or even understand what you vomit out of your mouths??  Do you not scream from the top of your lungs that Jesus is OUR CREATOR?  So now it's ok for him to fear GOD?  Amazing blasphemy and utter stupidity indeed.

     
    Quote
    Even we human being was not made by word , talk less of Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God.
     

    Adam was created from the Word and so was Eve.  Melchizedek's creation according to the Bible is even greater than Jesus', because Melchizedek had no beginning and no end, and no father and no mother.  And the Bible says that Jesus was Miraculous because he had to be a match to Melchizedek

    Also, COUNTLESS BEINGS from the World of the Unseen, or the World of Command (http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_creator_or_created.htm) as it is called in Islam, are created from the Word and the Spirit.  Our Souls are created from the Spirit.  Jesus is a mighty Being, but he is not the Creator of the Universe.

    Again, visit my above detailed posts for ample details.  You have nothing but blasphemies.  You're gambling with your soul, my dear.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
     
     
    .                                                                               #laugh# so funny,I thought you created this blog to enlighten ourselves what we don't know, I don't think  you created it  purposely for harassing and abusing people, but if so that's left for you.I can't be discouraged by that, I shall defend Christ throughout my days.                                                                Like I said , He afraid God because He want us to afraid God, Jesus live as an example, He want us to do has He did.     Assuming He doesn't fear God,and say God is His father He(God) can never do anything for Him, if He offend Him(God).   He was telling us that we shouldn't fear God also. Or a child didn't  afraid of hid father?               Philipians 2:5 " In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus".     John 13:15"  I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you".                                                 I John 2:6 "Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did." So Jesus live His life as examples for we christians to follow.                         
                                                                                                     Yes! Jesus was a match to Melchizedek, but there differences.
     *Melchizedek and Jesus were both God's priest,   but Jesus is the Everlasting priest, Hebrew 7:  16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared: "You are a priest forever, (I.e Jesus) in the order of Melchizedek." Heb 6v20.             *Melchizedek is like the Son of God ( Heb 7:3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God   he remains a priest forever. But JESUS is the Son of God.               * Jesus died for the atonement of our sins, while Melchizedek did not.                                                        *Melchizedek is a king of righteousness, peace and High priest, Heb 7:3.       While JESUS was qualified by Isaiah "  For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders.   And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace Isaiah 9:6. And so on.


    Remember God would have asked Jesus to come to the world without any family like Melchizedek, but no one will believe Him when He starts preach  about salvation , and He could haven't been an example for us, we will after all He is a spirit that's why we can't live the way He lives.  That was why He chose to come in for of Man.        Thanks bro, take care. Jesus Love you
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: MuslimBoy on May 25, 2014, 01:49:47 am
    I thought you created this blog to enlighten ourselves what we don't know
     
    :P There is nothing in Christianity that anyone don't know. :P
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: TheEyeofGod on May 27, 2014, 07:24:13 am
    I thought you created this blog to enlighten ourselves what we don't know
     
    :P There is nothing in Christianity that anyone don't know. :P
     
     
    .                                   What you don't understand  about Christianity are numerous
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: shabeer_hassan on May 27, 2014, 10:21:48 am
    @Christianity are numerous............WHAT WAS THAT?
    Joshua 8:24-26

    When the Israelite army finished chasing and killing all the men of Ai in the open fields, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai, including men and women, was wiped out that day12,000 in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. (NLT)

     Deuteronomy 2:32-34

    Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)

     Deuteronomy 3:3-6

    So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city. (NASB)
       1 Samuel 15:3,8

    Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
    Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

    Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

    This verse was sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:  2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."
    Matthew 15:1-9
    1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
    2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
    3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
    4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
     Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail.  They should pelt them to death with stones.  Their own blood is upon them."
    Exodus 31:14
    14 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.

    Exodus 31:15
    15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: TheEyeofGod on May 27, 2014, 03:04:35 pm
    @Christianity are numerous............WHAT WAS THAT?
    Joshua 8:24-26

    When the Israelite army finished chasing and killing all the men of Ai in the open fields, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai, including men and women, was wiped out that day12,000 in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. (NLT)

     Deuteronomy 2:32-34

    Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)

     Deuteronomy 3:3-6

    So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city. (NASB)
       1 Samuel 15:3,8

    Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
    Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

    Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

    This verse was sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:  2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."
    Matthew 15:1-9
    1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
    2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
    3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
    4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
     Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail.  They should pelt them to death with stones.  Their own blood is upon them."
    Exodus 31:14
    14 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.

    Exodus 31:15
    15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
     
     
    .                           My brother , before you can quote any verse from Bible, why don't you find out the reasons why the verse was written? At least you should read some chapters/verses before you could quote any verse/chapter so that you could understand the verses you quoted.   
    Title: Re: The Crucifixion of Judas
    Post by: MuslimBoy on May 28, 2014, 05:34:23 am
    ^He was trying to say that
    :P There is nothing in Christianity that anyone don't know. :P
     
     

      

      

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    Title: Can Brother Osama Abdullah refute this please
    Post by: Isa27James on December 09, 2013, 07:42:23 am
    Assalam alykam


    can you please refute this video 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GD4hEk3VYo
    Title: Re: Can Brother Osama Abdullah refute this please
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on December 09, 2013, 10:42:21 pm
    Assalam alykam

    can you please refute this video 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GD4hEk3VYo
     
     

    Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

    As always, hateful anti-Islamics spewing lies and hate against Islam.  The Lord Jesus Christ is the heir and the ruler and the king of this earth only, according to the Bible.  He is the king of kings of this earth only, dear brother.  This is where satan also, when he tempted him for 40 days and 40 nights (the Bible says GOD can not be tempted), satan offered him the rule and the kingdoms of all of the earth.  Satan did not, and could not, have offered Jesus the rule of the entire Universe.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    The GOD Almighty of both the Bible and the Holy Quran is the KING OF KINGS of the entire Universe, not just a king of mere earth.  Also remember that Christ had to be powerful and miraculous to be a match to Melchizedek, who was the Jews' highest priest, who had no father and no mother, and no beginning and no end, according to the very Bible itself in both the OT and NT.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3122.html#msg3122
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Trinity is false, and it's a blasphemy that only belongs to the garbage.  The doomed-to-Hell polytheist trinitarian pagans are just too desperate to prove this false garbage.  Notice how they're constantly desperate to prove Jesus to be our Creator.  If he were indeed, then the Bible would've clearly spelled it all out!  But when we read what Jesus spoke, and even what the Bible says about Jesus, we see a Muslim who:

    1-  Bowed his face to Allah Almighty in Worship, like we Muslims do.  Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_hypocrite.htm.

    2-  Fasted and prayed like we Muslims do.  The OT also has plenty of verses and stories of Prophets and Believers bowing down to Allah Almighty in Worship, exactly as we Muslims do.  The false garbage of trinity came and abolished all of this, and made idols out of GOD Almighty whether through graven images, or through portraits of Jesus and GOD Almighty.  Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/que11.htm.

    3-  Spoke many times about how weak he is, and that he has no will, and that he's only doing the WILL OF GOD ALMIGHTY.  He even said so in his famous Prayer in Matthew 6:9-13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206&version=KJV):

    Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
    Thy kingdom come.
    Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread.
    And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
    And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
    For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

    Do these words sound like they came from one who Created us, or from a mere Creation?  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_hypocrite.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3122.html#msg3122

    Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

    1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

    2-  Wali - Guardian.

    In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

    [005:018]  (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

    FRIENDS = SONS:

    In fact, we further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8
    "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7
    Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23
    And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

    So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

    [002:257] Allah is the friend and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend.

    So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.

    Again dear brother, please visit the following links to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3122.html#msg3122
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    BEGET = CHOSE:

    Regarding the following verse and others like it:

     
    Quote
    King James Bible Psalm 2:7
    I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
     

    Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

    [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

    ‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

    [003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

    ‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

    [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

    ‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

    [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

    ‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

    [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

    ‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

    [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

    ‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

    [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

    ‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

    [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

    ‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

    Again, please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3122.html#msg3122
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Again, trinity is a blasphemy that only belongs in the garbage!  Ameen.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Can Brother Osama Abdullah refute this please
    Post by: Isa27James on December 10, 2013, 03:45:45 pm
    What the heck is the book of revelation anyway is it someone on  a acid trip writing a book

    what is the history of this book

    and why do Christians believe in it so much
    Title: Re: Can Brother Osama Abdullah refute this please
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on December 10, 2013, 04:05:41 pm
    What the heck is the book of revelation anyway is it someone on  a acid trip writing a book

    what is the history of this book

    and why do Christians believe in it so much
     
     

    As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

    Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm.  I've gone through most of the Bible's books and gospels in the NIV Bible and several other Bibles, and listed what the theologians and historians said about those books.  The book of Revelation is among them.

    The Bible is both corrupt and doubtful.  Even its own theologians admit that it contains ample man-made injections and fabrications.  No serious person could take all of it as a complete and perfect authority from GOD Almighty.  And while you're at it, watch my debate to see what Islam says about the Bible at:  http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links.

    And last and not least for the reader, please visit this link to see the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links.

    I hope this helps, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

      

      

    Topic 1515 Backup:

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog//index.php/topic,1515.msg5940.html#msg5940:

    Answering Christianity Research Center

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    Title: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: FARHAN_UDDIN on March 25, 2014, 01:15:14 pm
    Assalamualykum.

     I was wondering, if dajjal is so important than why Allah didn't say anything about him directly or indirectly in the Quran? Please help me with this.
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: Black Muslim on March 25, 2014, 02:41:14 pm
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    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: Mohammed.Rashid on March 25, 2014, 04:56:20 pm
    See friend Quran is not a story book unlike Bible.

    I will tell d most important thing for a believer to know about ie., Salah - and some issues related to not mentioned in the Quran

    Adhan - what to say while reciting adhan is not mentioned.
    Wudhu - mentioned in 5:6 though not completely
    How to perform Salah - not mentioned
    No of rakah - not mentioned.

    So for many thing we have to resort to hadith
    As Allah says Quran 47:33 - O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and do not invalidate your deeds.

    &

    Quran 4 : verse 80 - He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian.

    Allah has given us a good reason to do that as He said in

    Quran 68:4 - And indeed, you are of a great moral character.

    _________________________________________________

    Now tell me what is more important for you to know -
    Issues related to Salah from Quran or Knowing of Dajjal from Quran

    The reason why Quran didn't mentioned about Salah - though 
    offering salah is mentioned several times in Quran
    - but how to offer it in way taught by the prophet is a Sunnah to
    which Allah himself says to follow the prophet as mentioned in 2 verses above.
    If everything would have been mentioned in Quran then he would have said to OBEY the prophet in 47:33.

    Issues related to how prophet taught to pray is a bit controversial inspite of the fact that people know
    he changed his way of praying as time passed on probably due to certain conditions & some due to his age.

    Personally - I dont believe if a person who prays in some different ways TAUGHT IN HADITH ONLY is invalid.

    ALSO
    Quran has to be comprehensive to include all and every detail  and it will make a Big fat book running into volumes.
    Some People today give a lame excuse that they dont have time to read quran and some other shocking reason.

    QURAN IS A MUST READ BOOK - ITS A SIGN FOR MEN OF UNDERSTANDING. SO HOW WILL U KNOW IT UNLESS READ IT
    WITH UNDERSTANDING.

    Only if they would have read the Quran once a book which is not comprehensive and gone through those verses mentioned above. They would have felt a responsibility to read Hadith(which is a bit comprehensive) practice and preach it to others too. As hadith itself says to if u know a bit of knowledge practice and preach it to others .

    Also these Why has no ends. If it wud have mentioned  answers to all ur why.
    Still others would have asked even more y like - Why cant we see God - Why cant we do this, why cant we do that .......

    Also do U know what the christians ask - Why doesnt the bible says anything about dinosaurs!!!

    If you are so curious to know about Dajjal then I will post a  article written by me related to it soon Insha Allah

    Finally anybody wants to make any correction in this post he is free to do that.

    Finally, Allah knows the best
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 25, 2014, 09:52:39 pm
    Assalamualykum.

     I was wondering, if dajjal is so important than why Allah didn't say anything about him directly or indirectly in the Quran? Please help me with this.
     
     

    As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Farhan,

    Great question, dear brother.  Like brother Mohammed said, there are things that aren't mentioned in the Holy Quran, but are part of the bigger and more encompassing thing.  Example that the brother gave, from several, is Adhan (the call for Prayer).  It's not mentioned in the Holy Quran, but it is yet mandatory for all Prayers in Islam.

    The issues of Mahdi and anti-Christ are like Adhan to Prayer akhi.  They fall under the return of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him.  And Prophet Isa (Jesus) is mentioned to return in the Holy Quran.  He is now in a state of WAFAAT.  This is the same state that you go in when you sleep.  You would then either wake up to a return back to full life, or go to a state of MAWT (death).  Prophet Isa went through a State of Wafaat when he was raised up to Allah Almighty.  But Allah Almighty also mentioned in the Holy Quran that everyone from humans must taste an earthly death.  And there are Noble Verses that also speak about Prophet Jesus will return and then all of the people of the Book will believe in him the Islamic way.

    I will give all of the Noble Verses later, Insha'Allah.  This is just a quick response.  So yes, the Mahdi and anti-Christ fall under Prophet Isa in general, akhi.  But as always, Allah Almighty could decide to end life at anytime.  So, the return of Christ in the way it's described to us may not necessarily happen if Allah Almighty Chooses otherwise.  To me, this is the difference between having a clear cut Promise in the Holy Quran from outside the Holy Quran.  Unless Allah Almighty specifically mentions it in the Holy Quran as a Divine Promise, then there is always a possibility for it to not happen.  This is where I stand on the Hadiths when compared to the Holy Quran.  So it's possible that the Mahdi will not come.  I personally believe that the Mahdi will come, from the Hadiths.  But it's always possible that he may not come, because he isn't mentioned in the Holy Quran.

    And by the way, we are living in an anti-Christ system today.  And his symbol is the ONE-EYE (http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm).  So the Hadiths' End of Times Prophecies are coming True, by Allah Almighty's Will.  Here are some of the powers of the anti-christ that Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, mentioned:

    1-  His evil will enter every house.  We see this clearly through the evil media and lewdness and sexuality and pornography from the internet and TV.

    2-  He will rule the world.

    3-  He is ONE-EYED.

    4-  Among the powers that he will have:

    (a)-  He will command the sky to rain and it will rain.  Read up on Cloud Fertilization (https://www.google.com/#q=cloud+fertilization) technology today.
    (b)-  He will command the earth to quake and it will quake.  Read up on HAARP technology and Weather Modification for Weapons (https://www.google.com/#q=HAARP+technology+and+weather+modification+for+weapons) today.
    (c)-  He will corrupt the lands and seas of the earth.
    (d)-  He will cause for so much deaths throughout earth, so much that a person would not know what the reason of his death.  Deaths will be done by the wholesale on earth.

    5-  Also the evil Zionists from the Jews will be supreme on earth, and they will reach "Mighty Heights" علوا كبيرا  of evil power and might on earth.  See Noble Verses 17:4-8 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/cgi-bin/quran/quran_search1.cgi?search_text=17%3A4-8&yusuf_ali=1&arabic=1&B1=Search).  Many Muslims today believe that we are in the "second" era of the Israelites' evil.  They are reaching Mighty Heights of evil on earth, today.  And we are seeing those rotten filth on their way to ruling the entire earth and dominating all of its financial institutions, wealth and armies, and they're close to establishing their New World Order - One World Government - System.

    This is further supported in this Holy Quran Divine Promise from Allah Almighty:

    [017:104]  Later, to the children of Israel We said, Inhabit the earth till the promise of the afterlife is fulfilled. Then, We will bring you out as a crowd (لفيفا).

    ‏17:104 وقلنا من بعده لبني اسرائيل اسكنوا الارض فاذا جاء وعد الاخرة جئنا بكم لفيفا

    The Jews did inhabit the earth and they are now coming to Palestine from all over the earth in large crowds.  This is the Time of the Second Punishment Prophecy, from the Holy Quran.  But they must first finish their reaching of the "Mighty Heights" علوا كبيرا of evil on earth. 
    Look at 9/11 todayIt was 100% an Israeli Mossad operation [1 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm)].

    And by the way, "....We sent against you Our servants (عبادا لنا) given to terrible warfare...." in Noble Verse 17:5 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/cgi-bin/quran/quran_search1.cgi?search_text=17%3A4-8&yusuf_ali=1&arabic=1&B1=Search), above, is not just limited to the Muslims.  عبادا لنا in the Holy Quran does also include non-Muslims whom Allah Almighty chose or made to do something.  So the destruction of Israel won't necessarily be done by the Muslims only.  I believe that many nations from earth will rise against them and annihilate them.  To further prove that عباد is not just limited to the Muslims, consider the following Noble Verses that use the Noble Word عباد:

    [036:030]  What a pity! These human kinds (العباد)! Their only response to the messengers _ whenever they came to them _ was to mock and make fun of them!

    ‏36:30 ياحسرة على العباد ماياتيهم من رسول الا كانوا به يستهزؤون


    [050:011]  A sustenance for the servants (للعباد), and We give life thereby to a dead land; thus is the rising.

    ‏50:11 رزقا للعباد واحيينا به بلدة ميتا كذلك الخروج


    [017:017]  How many generations have We destroyed after Noah? and enough is thy Lord to note and see the sins of His servants (عباده).

    ‏17:17 وكم اهلكنا من القرون من بعد نوح وكفى بربك بذنوب عباده خبيرا بصيرا


    [002:207]  Among people are also those, who would willingly sell themselves out of the desire to please Allah. And of course, Allah is full of compassion for (His) servants (بالعباد).

    ‏2:207 ومن الناس من يشري نفسه ابتغاء مرضاة الله والله رؤوف بالعباد


    [006:088]  Such is the guidance of Allah. He guides whom He wants among His servants (عباده). Had they, (any of the messengers mentioned above) set up partners (with Allah), all their deeds would have come to nothing.

    ‏6:88 ذلك هدى الله يهدي به من يشاء من عباده ولو اشركوا لحبط عنهم ما كانوا يعملون


    6-  Also, mankind will "alter the creation of Allah Almighty" through "cutting the farm animals' ears".  We've already seen this in what we call today Cloning (http://www.answering-christianity.com/cloning.htm).  And it'll only get worse, and soon man will start cloning mankind.

    All of these are Prophecies from the Hadiths and the Glorious Quran.  I will write a big article on this soon, Insha'Allah.  Please also visit: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm.

    So, I am not sure how the Mahdi and Christ will come.  Since we already know that the anti-Christ system (not a man) is already in place, and is only getting worse and worse, then will Christ and the Mahdi come in form of men or in forms of Systems, perhaps Spiritual Systems.  Only Allah Almighty Knows.  You see, it was a popular belief among Muslims that the anti-Christ will be a flesh and blood man.  But this flesh and blood man couldn't command the earth to quake and for the sky to rain at his will, nor could he make his evil enter every home.  It is rather the evil Zionist machine system that we live in that is doing that.  Again, they will reach "Mighty Heights" علوا كبيرا  of evil power and might on earth.  This is straight out of the Holy Quran!  So how will the forces of Good be like?  Will they be flesh and blood?  Or will they be Good Systems that will emerge like the evil system that has emerged and has and is reaching "Mighty Heights" علوا كبيرا  of evil power and might on earth?  Only Allah Almighty Knows.

    I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: Black Muslim on March 26, 2014, 02:06:27 am
    And keep in mind that Allah is the most wise . There is nothing Allah does without wisdom in it wither we know it or not . If we know , good , if we don't , then that doesn't mean it doesn't exist .
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: Dawud on March 26, 2014, 04:41:38 am
    Dajjal is metnioned in the quran indirectly, in this verse

    On the day when some of the signs of your Lord shall come


    6:158...or that some of the Signs of your Lord should come! The day that some of the signs of your Lord do come, no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before, nor earned good with his faith. Say: "Wait you! We (too) are waiting.")

    ibn qasir tafsir
    http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=942&Itemid=61

    Ibn Jarir recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said:

    (Three, if they appear, then a soul will not benefit from its faith, if it had not believed before or earned good in its faith: when the sun rises from the west, Ad-Dajjal and the Beast of the earth.)
     
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: Mohammed.Rashid on March 26, 2014, 11:08:30 am
    can anybody tell me how to post pics in the articles here - jazak Allah khayr
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 26, 2014, 01:37:42 pm
    can anybody tell me how to post pics in the articles here - jazak Allah khayr
     
     

    As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Mohammed,

    Great question.  I will Insha'Allah add this to this blog's main links on the main page.  The following image is an example from brother "Black Muslim"'s example above:

    (http://www.answering-christianity.com/how_post_images_on_blog.png)

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: FARHAN_UDDIN on March 26, 2014, 02:37:25 pm
    Thanks to all of you brothers for your excellent explanation. ;D ;D But still there is a little confusion. If Quran doesn't contain everything, then why Allah said:

     ''We have revealed upon you a book as a clear explanation of everything." ( Surah: An-Nahl, Ayah:69)

     Again Allah said:

     ''We have not left anything unmentioned in it." ( Surah: Al-Anam, Ayah:38)

     Please help. :-\ :'(
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 26, 2014, 03:35:58 pm
    Thanks to all of you brothers for your excellent explanation. ;D ;D But still there is a little confusion. If Quran doesn't contain everything, then why Allah said:

     ''We have revealed upon you a book as a clear explanation of everything." ( Surah: An-Nahl, Ayah:69)

     Again Allah said:

     ''We have not left anything unmentioned in it." ( Surah: Al-Anam, Ayah:38)

     Please help. :-\ :'(
     
     

    As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Farhan,

    Another great question, dear brother!  Keep it up.  Here is the response:

    1-  As it was explained above, some of the things, - side things, - were left out of the Holy Quran.  For example, the Prophet, peace be upon him, said that the anti-Christ's sign is that he will be one-eyed.  In fact, the Prophet said that from Noah to Jesus, many Prophets have warned their followers against the anti-Christ, and gave Signs about him.  But there is one Sign that was reserved to me (Muhammad), and ONLY ME, and that is that he will be ONE-EYED:

    Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of  which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that  he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed."  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)"

    Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm.

    This Sign wasn't mentioned in the Holy Quran.  But the End of Times Prophecies and the evil Zionists (Israelites) were mentioned, dear brother.  So obviously, this ONE-EYED Sign was left for the details that were to be omitted from the Holy Quran.  The Holy Quran gave highlights and not details, akhi.  This is why the Hadiths are important, and this is also Allah Almighty's Way to tell us that the Hadiths are also to be upheld.

    And as to the two Noble Verses that you mentioned above, here is my reply to them:

    1-  ''We have revealed upon you a book as a clear explanation of everything." ( Surah: An-Nahl, Ayah:69)

    Yes, a clear explanation to everything that has to do with Salvation.  The Holy Quran's Main Concern is about:

    (a)-  Obeying Allah Almighty and Worshiping Him the Right Way.
    (b)-  Doing Good.
    (c)-  Condemning all evil and staying away from it.

    In a nutshell, the Holy Quran is concerned about Salvation, akhi.  And yes, everything you need to know about Salvation is in the Holy Quran. 
    If you want to deep dive into anything, then you use the Hadiths for that, not the Holy Quran.

    Furthermore, Allah Almighty did Command the Prophet to detail the Holy Quran.  From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1105.msg5574.html#msg5574:

     
    Quote
    Where is the proof for my statement above?

    I was asked before how can I substantiate the following statement from the Holy Quran:

     
    Quote
    Here is the bottom line:  What agrees with the Holy Quran from the hadiths and also from the Bible and other scriptures is closest to the Truth, but not absolute Truth like the Holy Quran.  And what disagrees with the Holy Quran belongs to the garbage.
     

    Here is the proof from the Holy Quran:

    [016:044] (We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of dark prophecies; and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought.

    [004:115] After the guidance has been revealed and explained, if anyone parts his way with the messenger and follows a path different from that of the believers, then We will divert him along his (chosen) path. We will hurl him in the hell (in the hereafter). What a despicable destination!

    [006:046] Say, Have you (ever) considered? What if Allah took away your hearing and your sight, and sealed off your heart? Is there a god besides Allah, who could give you back these senses? Observe, how We explain the revelations in detail. Yet, they turn away (disdainfully).

    [006:055] In this manner, We explain Our revelations in detail, so that the ways of the criminals would become (widely known and) well recognized.

    So the real genuine Hadiths that are Quran-Approved are the ones that directly explain and detail the Holy Quran's Commands.  Not every word that came out of the Prophet's mouth is a legitimate Hadith:

    Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet used to invoke Allah, saying, "Allahumma ighfirli khati'ati wa jahli wa israfi fi amri, wa ma anta a-'lamu bihi minni. Allahumma ighfirli hazali wa jiddi wa khata'i wa amdi, wa kullu dhalika 'indi"

    WHICH READS IN ENGLISH AS:

    "O Allah! Forgive my mistakes and my ignorance and my exceeding the limit (boundaries) of righteousness in my deeds; and forgive whatever You know better than I. O Allah! Forgive the wrong I have done jokingly or seriously, and forgive my accidental and intentional errors, all that is present in me."  (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 408 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/cgi-bin/hadiths/hadith_search.cgi?search_text=jokingly+or+seriously&search_type=Exact+String&B1=Search)))

    This is why those who say that the Prophet never spoke out of his own desire, and that every word he spoke was an inspiration are all in error.  The following Noble Verses that they use only refer to the Holy Quran's Revelations:

    [053:002]  You companion has neither erred, nor has he gone astray,
    [053:003]  Nor does he speak out of his own desire.
    [053:004]  It is nothing but pure revelation revealed by God.
    [053:005]  The Lord of the Mighty Powers has taught him (i.e., Angel Gabriel),

    Those who say that Prophet Muhammad was a "Walking Quran (https://www.google.com/#q=Prophet+Muhammad+was+a+walking+Quran)", and that every single word he spoke was an inspiration are full of rubbish nonsense.  This is further supported in the following Noble Verse:

    [003:159]  It is part of the Mercy of God that thou dost deal gently with them Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: so pass over (Their faults), and ask for (God's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast Taken a decision put thy trust in God. For God loves those who put their trust (in Him).

    ‏3:159 فبما رحمة من الله لنت لهم ولو كنت فظا غليظ القلب لانفضوا من حولك فاعف عنهم واستغفر لهم وشاورهم في الامر فاذا عزمت فتوكل على الله ان الله يحب المتوكلين

    Why should the Prophet consult anybody when every word he spoke was a Divine Inspiration or Revelation?  This Noble Verse clearly proves that the Prophet was only inspired at certain fixed times, and not all of the time.  So him not speaking out of his own desire refers to the Holy Quran's Divine Revelations. 

    Again, also please visit this very important link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1105.msg5580.html#msg5580.
     
     

    Also visit: www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm.



    2-  ''We have not left anything unmentioned in it." ( Surah: Al-Anam, Ayah:38)

    Again, this Noble Verse is for Salvation, akhi.  If you wanted the Holy Quran to detail everything in a "deep dive" way, then you'll end up with a book that is probably 10 times bigger than what the current Holy Quran is.  It wouldn't be possible to perfectly preserve the Holy Book then, nor to memorize it.

    I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: Md.Mobashir Mallick on March 27, 2014, 02:22:30 pm
     An excellent question & an excellent answer by our Muslim brothers , but one thing i'd like to add to the answer , that everything is mentioned in the Quran , as Allah s.w.t promoses in the ayats of Quran, but these ayats are best explained by none other than our Holy Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) p.b.u.h , so in order to understand the Quran & follow it perfectly you have to follow the Prophet I.e the Hadiths , you have to follow the interpretation
    For e.x - when I was in school & used to study english literature we had to read story books & in orde to understand the story properly & to know its summary we had a guide book. So the story book wasn't incomplete without the text book & complete by it's self , but in order to understand it better we needed the guide book , in the same way the holy Quran is complete by it's self but we need the Hadiths to understand it fully & properly
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: mclinkin94 on March 27, 2014, 02:31:03 pm
    Hello brother Farhan, you have asked a good question and that is the same question that I asked.

    I am in a strong disagreement with many posters in this forum, but I don't have the tiem to start another debate. I just wanted to post here and remind everyone of ONE Quranic verse (that is all it takes), that removes this entire hadith scene. There are many, but, this one is enough by itself.


    (Quran 45:6) These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement other than Allah and His verses will they believe?

    Let's break this verse down. The beginning of the verse talks about the Quran. THESE are the verses of Allah in which we recite to you in truth. It is speaking of the Quran. You MUST agree with this as any honest person would. A sentence later, Allah tells you in what statement other than THESE verses will YOU believe? That clearly means that the message include ONLY these verses. Nothing else.

    What does that verse tell you??!!!! Does that sound like Allah wants you to follow something else besides these verses (Quran). How could any honest person possibly say so!!! I don't understand!

    Does this verse seriously leave any room for hadith (an alternate revelation)??

    There is no Dajjal. BlackMuslim's double facepalm picture is an embarrassment to Islam and this forum. Please do not engage in actions like this.
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: Black Muslim on March 28, 2014, 02:18:57 am
    (http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131217081420/cardfight/images/8/8a/Triple_facepalm.png)

    "I don't want to start another debate" huh ? The only embarrassment is in your inability to understand basic logic of 1-2-3 . Also in your cowardice of not answering whatever kills your claims shoving it aside as if it's nothing and then ranting "The verse is clear ! You're unwilling !" . Yeah yeah , call it emotional rant . As if saying I'm an embarrassment is most logical .

    I put the picture because Farhan keeps asking for things which he could easily find an answer to with a google search or through basic Islamic knowledge yet he doesn't . The point is to learn instead of marching unto slanders which will only cast doubt into his heart .

    The problem is that you took rejecting Sunnah as a doctrine , THEN went on to explain things to match with that doctrine . That's why when we bring a number of signs saying to obey the prophet you go to unbelievable lengths to twist their meaning so it doesn't contradict that doctrine .

    Enough said .
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: FARHAN_UDDIN on March 28, 2014, 01:16:09 pm
    Assalamualykum.


     Thanks to all for your answers. And brother mclinkin, you can't just say there is nothing called Dajjal. ??? ??? As brother Osama mentioned, Dajjal might not be an individual but a system which is operating in our present world.
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: mclinkin94 on March 29, 2014, 12:12:39 pm
    (http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131217081420/cardfight/images/8/8a/Triple_facepalm.png)

    "I don't want to start another debate" huh ? The only embarrassment is in your inability to understand basic logic of 1-2-3 . Also in your cowardice of not answering whatever kills your claims shoving it aside as if it's nothing and then ranting "The verse is clear ! You're unwilling !" . Yeah yeah , call it emotional rant . As if saying I'm an embarrassment is most logical .

    I put the picture because Farhan keeps asking for things which he could easily find an answer to with a google search or through basic Islamic knowledge yet he doesn't . The point is to learn instead of marching unto slanders which will only cast doubt into his heart .

    The problem is that you took rejecting Sunnah as a doctrine , THEN went on to explain things to match with that doctrine . That's why when we bring a number of signs saying to obey the prophet you go to unbelievable lengths to twist their meaning so it doesn't contradict that doctrine .

    Enough said .
     
     

    Your perceptions of me do not fit. We have been discussing this thing for a while and we get nowhere. Sometimes it is best to leave those who are disbelievers in the Quran alone. They will never believe in Allah's word.

     It is made clear that there is no other source of revelation besides the Quran. Allah did not authorize anything besides the Quran and he made it clear that the Quran is fully detailed. He has made it clear that you are not to follow any other statement except THESE verses (Quran).

    Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? The Word of your Lord is complete in truth and in justice 6:115

    Does that sound like Allah wanted you to use an external source given that the Quran is fully detailed and complete. HOw about these verses:

    This is not fabricated hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a guidance and mercy for those who believe 12:111
    We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance and mercy and good news for the submitters 16:89


    In spite of the very clear words: fully detailed, details of everything and explanations for everything the corrupt interpreters such as yourself somehow still claim that the Quran does not include all the details pertaining to Islam! Sadly, you claim that the Quran has only mentioned the major outlines of the religion while as the details of everyday rituals are only to be found in the Hadith and Sunna!

    These false claims only go to expose your peoples ignorance of the Quran, and also your kufr. Yes, you are a kaffir.

    Quran 45:6 These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement other than Allah and His verses will they believe?

    Let's break this verse down. The beginning of the verse talks about the Quran. THESE are the verses of Allah in which we recite to you in truth. It is speaking of the Quran. You MUST agree with this as any honest person would. A sentence later, Allah tells you in what statement other than THESE verses will YOU believe? That clearly means that the message include ONLY these verses. Nothing else.

    What does that verse tell you??!!!! Does that sound like Allah wants you to follow something else besides these verses (Quran). How could any honest person possibly say so!!! I don't understand!

    The verse that come immediately after is:

    (Quran 45:7-8)  Woe to every sinful liar, Who hears the verses of Allah recited to him, then persists arrogantly as if he had not heard them. So give him tidings of a painful punishment. And when he knows anything of Our verses, he takes them in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment.


    You are being tested by Allah as we speak. Are you a sinful liar who hears the clear verses of Allah and then you persist arrogantly as if you had not heard them? Yes, you are. That makes you a disbeliever.
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: mclinkin94 on March 29, 2014, 12:40:48 pm
    Assalamualykum.


     Thanks to all for your answers. And brother mclinkin, you can't just say there is nothing called Dajjal. ??? ??? As brother Osama mentioned, Dajjal might not be an individual but a system which is operating in our present world.
     
     

    The better question to ask is, if the Quran has informed us that it has ALL the details pertaining to Islam and that we are not to believe in any statement pertaining to Islam besides the Quran, why do you believe in the Dajjal? And why do you think that the Dajjal is pertaining to Islam?

    Of course, the Quran informs us that the life of this world is a test and has many delusions and lies. So in that interpretation, there have always been dajjals and there are many of them. But there is no dajjal as the hadith describes.
    Title: Re: WHY ALLAH DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAJJAL IN THE QURAN?
    Post by: Black Muslim on March 31, 2014, 06:04:55 am
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    Sometimes it is best to leave those who are disbelievers in the Quran alone.
     
    It ends here . All this time , I didn't dare call you a disbeliever even though you reject the orders of the prophet because I know calling a Muslim so is not easy and not everyone should do . But now , YOU did it . So I ask Allah that it returns to you and takes you out of Islam .

    Wither you're convinced or not is your own problem . The people of Sunnah and band (Ahl Assunah Wa Al-Jama'a) believe in the noble Quran as their first source of revelation , believing in it , they follow its orders to obey the other kind of revelation to the prophet peace upon him from Allah Almighty . And it harms nobody when anyone refuses this .

      

      

      

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    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog//index.php/topic,1022.msg3410.html#msg3410:

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    Title: Islam and Muslims in the Bible...
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on April 14, 2013, 11:29:52 pm
    See also: Prophet Muhammad thoroughly prophesied in the Bible's Old and New Testaments. (http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm)  Detailed verses provided.




    As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

    Let us first look at what Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

    [003:052]  When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) God?" Said the disciples: "We are God's helpers: We believe in God, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.

    [002:128]  "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

    [003:064]  Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to God's Will).

    [005:111]  "And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Apostle: they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to God as Muslims'".

    [016:102]  Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

    So according to Islam, Islam is GOD Almighty's Original and Universal Faith that all of His creations must follow.  And all of the Believing creations of GOD Almighty, - at least humans, - are called Muslims, which means Submiters to the Will of GOD Almighty.  Now, the topic about Islam and Muslims being mentioned throughout the Bible's Scriptures, had been discussed in good details before at:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,630.msg1390.html#msg1390
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,80.0.html
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1014.msg3381.html#msg3381
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/luke6_40.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/being_like_the_teacher.pdf

    Regarding this last link (http://www.answering-christianity.com/being_like_the_teacher.pdf), this is an 11-page must read article!  Muslimeen, Silm, Shlam, Shlama (in Aramaic, the "a" at the end is the definite article that is equivalent to the alif and lam "al"), Mashloome, Mushlimana, Mishalmana, Mishlam, Witness in Arabic and Aramaic, and Prostration in Arabic and Aramaic are thoroughly discussed in it.

     
  • Also, the Bible calls the believers "Muslimeen" (Muslims) according to some Jewish Rabbis:
       
                 
      
    Also, the Hebrew Shalom or Shalam, which means "Peace" in Hebrew, implies "GOD's Peace be upon you" is also derived from the root Word, Islam.  GOD Almighty's Eternal Peace and us submitting to Him and to His Divine Will in Peace, is also what His Divine Religion is.  Islam is the Original Faith.  Hebrews used to pronounce the "s" as "sh".  They also pronounced the "a" as a thick "a".  So Shalom is really Salam, which means "Peace" in Arabic, and implies GOD Almighty's Peace in Islam.

    I have begun researching this in depth, and alhamdulillah (all thanks are due to Allah Almighty), I was able to make some good progress.  I will be updating this section in great details soon, insha'Allah.  The following are good links that I was able to gather:

    (Note: I will be updating the following list in this post for the reader's convenience, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing))

    http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7999.htm
    http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/7965.html
    http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/7759.html
    http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/7999.html
    http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/3390.html
    http://biblez.com/searchstrongs.php?q=%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%9D
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/7999.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/strongs_7999.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/8003.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/strongs_8003.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/8004.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/strongs_8004.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/7967.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/strongs_7967.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/8001.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/strongs_8001.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/8000.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/strongs_8000.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/7965.htm
    http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/strongs_7965.htm

    Also, this is another good website for Hebrew Lexicon: http://www.scripture4all.org.



     

    Also Visit:

    Does Muhammad exist in the Bible?


    Anthony Rogers

    VS


    Osama Abdallah

       

    This entire website in a Capsule:

    1-  Why Islam? [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

    1-  Islam came to restore the Original Faith; the One Divine Religion of GOD Almighty to Mankind, which started with Adam and ended with Muhammad, peace, mercy and blessings be upon all of the Prophets and Messengers of GOD Almighty.

  • In the Bible, Muslims, Salamays, Mushlams, Mushlems, Mushlimana are the Believers' original title in the Hebrew & Aramaic Bible's Scriptures.
      
  • Also, proofs that early Christian believers' title was MUSLIMS [5] from the Jews' and Christians sources themselves.  Also, Greek wasn't even the first language in Palestine, nor was it even hardly spoken by the natives there.
      
  • Also, ample proofs that Jesus also spoke and preached in Arabic [5], and there were many early manuscripts written in Arabic that spoke about the coming of Prophet Muhammad in details.
      
      
  • Also, the Bible's Shlam, Shlama (in Aramaic, the "a" at the end is the definite article that is equivalent to the alif and lam "al"), Mashloome, Mushlimana, Mishalmana, Mishlam, and also Witness in Arabic and Aramaic, and Prostration in Arabic and Aramaic are thoroughly discussed in the following text articles: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5].  Also the Hebrew Shelem (Selem) (*), which is derived from the root Shalam, is the same as the Glorious Quran's SELM سلم, which is what Islam is also called.  Hebrews pronounce the "s" as "sh", and the "a" as an "o".  So "shalom" is really Salam (peace in Arabic) (*).  Also, the Hebrew Salam (Shalom) is also what Islam is called in the Glorious Quran (سبل السلام) (*).  Scroll below for more from the Glorious Quran.
      
    Also, the following videos give some very important explanations about Islam being the original Religion of GOD Almighty:
      
       
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    (Click on the images for videos)
      

      
  • Islam is GOD Almighty's Original Religion to all of mankind and all creations:
      
    1. Islam is called "Islam", "Selm", and "Salam" in the Glorious Quran:
        
      1. "The Religion before God is Islam (الاسلام submission to His Will)...." (The Noble Quran, 3:19).
          
      2. "O ye who believe! Enter into Islam (في السلم into the Selm (another name for Islam)) whole-heartedly; and follow not the footsteps of the evil one; for he is to you an avowed enemy." (The Noble Quran, 2:208).
          
      3. "Wherewith God guideth all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety (سبل السلام Islam here is called the way of peace and safety), and leadeth them out of darkness, by His will, unto the light,- guideth them to a path that is straight." (The Noble Quran, 5:16).

        "But God doth call to the Home of Peace (
        دار السلام Islam here is called the House of Peace): He doth guide whom He pleaseth to a way that is straight." (The Noble Quran, 10:25).
          
    2. Islam is GOD Almighty's Religion to all of His creations.  It means submitting yourself to Allah Almighty, and to be at Peace with Allah Almighty.
        
    3. For ample more Noble Verses and proofs, please visit:
        
      What is the Wisdom of Islam?  And how will Allah Almighty Judge both Muslims and non-Muslims?
      What is the best way to convert a non-Muslim to Islam? 
      The Blessed Jesus peace be upon him and Place of Jews and Christians in Islam.

      
      

  • Islam's Practices are 100% supported in the Bible:
      
    1. Circumambulation (tawaaf) 7 times around the Kaaba is also by the exact number in the Bible.
    2. Prostrating to GOD Almighty in the direction of His Holy Temple was done by all of the Prophets, including Jesus.
    3. Also, the Bible's fasting is to not eat and drink, like Islam:
        

      Luke5:33 They said to him, "John's disciples often fast and pray, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours go on eating and drinking."
        
      Matthew 6:16 "When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."
        
        
  • Prophet Muhammad in the Old Scriptures:
      
    First, I'd like to ask you to keep the following verses in mind: 
       
    1. Jeremiah 51:33  Arabia has not yet met its threshold, and the time of her harvest shall come. [2]
    2. Jeremiah 31:31 The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.
    3. Isaiah 41:8-13 GOD Almighty assures the House of Jacob that they are still loved and chosen by GOD Almighty.  Do not be afraid (of this Servant).  Never was this said to an Israelite Prophet.  THE ENTIRE HOUSE OF JACOB were commanded to not be afraid of him, because he will be a NON-ISRAELITE Prophet.
        
    4. Isaiah 41 and 42:6, 42:10-13  The Arabian Prophet will come from the people of Kedar with The New Covenant Read more...
        
    5. With this in mind, please now go through the following links:

      
    I also demonstrated [1] [2] [3] how Prophet Muhammad was Prophesied in the Bible [1] [2] [3], and how he is the Final and Special Prophet that was going to be sent to all of mankind, according to the Bible itself. The Bible in the Old and New Testaments made DIRECT Prophecies about: 
       
    1. The Prophet who will come from the "EAST". The Bible defined "EAST" to mean Arabia, and the lands of Kedar and Teman (Saudi Arabia today).
    2. The Prophet who will come from "Arabia".
    3. The Prophet who will come from the lands and "tents of Kedar" and "lands of Teman".  Kedar and Teman (also called "Tema" in the Bible) are two of Ishmael's sons: Genesis 25:13-15.
    4. The Prophet who will "crush the idols of the deserts of Kedar".
    5. The Prophet who will "fight the idol worshipers" in the deserts of Kedar.
    6. The people of Kedar will Glorify GOD Almighty, and GOD will Glorify His Holy Temple "in Kedar".
    7. "Arabia will rejoice and blossom".
    8. The Prophet who will come from the "Desert". Again, the Bible also defined the "Desert" to mean the lands of Arabia, Kedar and Teman.
    9. The Prophet of the "New Law" & "New Covenant", whom the Jews "must not fear".
    10. The Prophet who is "like Moses".  Both Muhammad and Moses brought new Laws.  There is the Law of Moses, which the entire Bible is built on, and there is the Law of the Holy Quran, which Islam is built on.
    11. Also in the New Testament, Christ is recorded to have said this to the Jews: "So [For this reason; Therefore] I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to people [a nation] who do the things God wants in his kingdom [will produce its fruit]." (Matthew 21:43).  Jesus Christ here spoke about foreign people; non-Jews.  Jesus was a Jew and was speaking with Jews.  Read more [1] [2]...
        
      -  By the way, the "Kingdom of God" here means
      THE COVENANT & RELIGION OF GOD on earth to the new nation.
        
      Also, "(GOD's) burden shall be upon Arabia" (Isaiah 21:13) [1] [2], means GOD Almighty's Divine Assignment to His Warriors and True Believers shall be put upon the shoulders of the Arabs through Islam and also through the 2nd return of Jesus Christ from Arabia, according to both Islam and the Bible [1] [2]:
        
        
        
      Jesus Christ returning FROM THE ARAB MUSLIMS in Syria:
        
      The Bible also supports Islam's claim about Jesus Christ returning FROM THE ARAB MUSLIMS in Syria.  Also, more details and proofs on this further below:
        
      Matthew 24:25-27
      25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
      26 So if anyone tells you, There he is, out in the wilderness, do not go out; or, Here he is, in the inner rooms, do not believe it.
      27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
        
      A
      lso in the Bible, there are many passages in the OT that literally say "THE GLORY OF GOD SHALL COME FROM THE EAST".  Also, the book of Jeremiah says "Arabia has not yet met its threshold, and the time of her harvest shall come".
        
      And also in the book of Isaiah, we read "THE BURDEN SHALL BE PLACED UPON ARABIA" (Isaiah 21:13) [1] [2], which means GOD Almighty's Divine Assignment to His Warriors and True Believers shall be put upon the shoulders of the Arabs through Islam and also through the 2nd return of Jesus Christ from Arabia, according to both Islam and the Bible [1] [2]. 
        
      More details and proofs on this
      further below...
        
        
        
      The Awaited Prophet and Awaited Messiah:
        
      John 1:19-21 John was asked if he were the Messiah, Elijah, and then "The Prophet": John 1:21.
      John 7:40-44, Jesus was supposed to come from David's line, while the Prophet was NOT.  He was a foreigner.
           
      -  Here are two captured images of John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44.  Click on the images to expand:
        
          
         Click to expand.
        
      So the awaited Messiah and the awaited "the Prophet" were clearly
      TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS, who are strangers to each others, and are not from the same bloodline.
        
        
      1-  The expected Christ and the expected Prophet:

      Again, in John 1:19-21 John was asked if he were the Messiah, Elijah, and then "The Prophet": John 1:21.  In John 7:40-44, Jesus was supposed to come from David's line, while the Prophet was NOT.  He was a foreigner.  So the awaited Messiah and the awaited "the Prophet" were clearly TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS, who are strangers to each others, and are not from the same bloodline.

    12. Does the NT say Jesus is THE PROPHET? [2]  A closer look at: Matthew 21:11, Mark 6:15, John 9:17, John 6:14, John 1:19-21, John 7:40-44, Acts 7.  Also, looking closer at Stephen's prediction.
    13. Let us look at the text of verses of John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44 in details to see the two different persons to come: the Messiah (Christ) and the Prophet:

        

      John 1:19-21
      John the Baptist Tells People About Jesus
      19 Here is the truth
      John told [testimony John gave; witness of John; 1:6] when the leaders [Jewish leadership; L Jews; C John often uses the term Jews to refer to the religious leaders in opposition to Jesus, rather than to the Jewish people generally] in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites [C the religious authorities; priests oversaw temple worship; Levites were members of the tribe of Levi who assisted them; 1 Chr. 23:2432] to ask him, Who are you?

      20 John spoke freely [confessed] and did not refuse to answer [deny it]. He said, I am not the Christ [Messiah].
      21
      So they asked him, Then who are you? Are you Elijah? [C Elijah, an OT prophet, was expected to come back before the Messiah; 1 Kin. 172 Kin. 2; Mal. 4:56.]

      He answered, No, I am not.

      Are you the Prophet? [C the Prophet like Moses predicted in Deut. 18:1519] they asked.
      He answered,
      No.

        
      John 7:40-44
      The People Argue About Jesus
      40 When the people heard Jesus words, some of them said,
      This man really is the Prophet [1:21; C the prophet like Moses of Deut. 18:1518].
      41
      Others said, He is the Christ [Messiah]. Still others said, The Christ [Messiah] will not come from Galilee.

      42 The Scripture says that the
      Christ [Messiah] will come from Davids family [offspring; L seed; 2 Sam. 7:1216; Ps. 89:34; Is. 9:7; 55:3] and from Bethlehem, the town [village] where David lived [Mic. 5:2].
      43 So the people did not agree with each other [L there was a division in the crowd] about Jesus.
      44 Some of them wanted to arrest [seize] him, but no one was able to touch [L lay a hand on] him.

      Again, here are two captured images of John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44.  Click on the images to expand:
        
          
         Click to expand.

      For a thorough proof that Islam is the Divine Truth, and trinity is a man-made falsehood, please visit:

    14. What is the best way to convert a non-Muslim to Islam?
    15. This website's main sections.
        
    16. Does the NT refute the Prophethood of Muhammad? [2]  A closer look at: Matthew 21:11, Mark 6:15, John 9:17, John 6:14, John 1:19-21, John 7:40-44, Acts 7.
        
      Does the NT say Jesus is THE PROPHET? [2]  A closer look at: Matthew 21:11, Mark 6:15, John 9:17, John 6:14, John 1:19-21, John 7:40-44, Acts 7.  Also, looking closer at Stephen's prediction.
    17.   

      2-  An Arabian Prophet was expected by the Jews of Arabia:

      1. From some of the Muslim sources, see the following references:
          
        "Bring forward the most learned among you before me."  When that man came forward, he and Muhammad spoke in private.  Finally Muhammad asked him, "Do you know that I am the Apostle of Allah?"  The rabbi answered, "By Allah! Yes, and the people know what I know.  Verily your attributes and qualities are clearly mentioned in the Torah, but they are jealous of you."  (History of Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, Volume I, Pages 188)
          
        "...and he is the Prophet of these people; he is an Arab and the Jews are jealous of him wishing that he should have been an Israelite..."  (History of Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, Volume I, Pages 177)
          
        1. Also, see the other great Arabian Prophets in the Bible.
        2. Jesus will return from Arabia in Matthew 24:25-27.

          
        Other sources:
        History of Muhammad Ibn Is'haq, page 80.
        Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 250.
        The Glorious Quran: 6:20, 7:157, 2:109, 2:90.
          

        (Click to play video)
          

      2. Scroll further down to see Prophet Muhammad's prophetic name clearly found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, in both text and image.

        

      3-  Jesus will return as an Arab, not as an Israeli (or Israelite):

      1. Again, the Bible declares in Matthew 24:25-27 that Jesus will return as an Arab, not a Jew:
          
        Matthew 24:25-27
        25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
        26 So if anyone tells you, There he is, out in the wilderness, do not go out; or, Here he is, in the inner rooms, do not believe it.
        27 For as lightning that comes
        from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
          
        The Bible, throughout its books, has thoroughly defined the "East" to be the Arabs: [1] [2] [3].
          
      2. Not only that, but the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls also predicted the coming of Prophet Ahmed from the east.  Ahmed is Prophet Muhammad's prophetic name.
          
      3. Prophet Muhammad said that Jesus Christ will return from Damascus.
          
      4. So why won't Jesus Christ return as a Jew from Israel?  See the Islamic Prophecies about the ONE-EYED dajjal (anti-Christ).
          
      5. Sheikh Hamza Yusuf (Muslim convert Mark Hanson) on some of Islam's STUNNING End of Times Prophecies [1] [2] including ISIS:


          
          

      6. The following debate thoroughly demonstrates that ISIS is not Islamic, and that it was made by the zionists to pave the way for the "Another 9/11":



        IS ISIS ISLAMIC?
        Osama Abdallah vs David Wood Debate
        Saturday 12/06/2014

        The Debate PowerPoints contain the written material for my presentation and rebuttals.

          

      7. Also visit this website's Youtube Channel at: www.youtube.com/QuranSearchCom.

        
        
        

    18. The Prophet who will bring the "Message of Peace" to mankind.  Islam means being at Peace with GOD Almighty and Submitting in Peace to Him, the Almighty.
    19. The Prophet who is the "Light of the Gentiles".
    20. "Let the WORLD have a new heart (fresh start)!"
    21. The House of GOD will be "built in the desert" (the Kaaba in Mecca). The path of the desert will be called "the Path of Holiness". And the Prophet will lead 10,000 Saints to liberate it. Perfectly fulfilled in Islam!
    22. After John the Baptist, two were expected to come: (1) The Prophet, and (2) the Messiah.
    23. Also, Prophet Muhammad's prophetic Name, "Ahmed", was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it was mentioned precisely in the Glorious Quran for the Prophet to be foretold by this very Name, Ahmed. [1] [2]
        
      Prophet "AHMAD" is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls:


      (Click to play film)

      You can also read this 195-page PDF file [2] [3] in Arabic.  I am currently working on translating all of it into English.  It will be available soon, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

      Prophet Muhammad's prophetic Name, "Ahmed", was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it was mentioned precisely in the Glorious Quran for the Prophet to be foretold by this very Name, Ahmed:

      "And when Jesus the Son of Mary said, O children of Israel, verily I am the Apostle of God sent unto you, confirming the law which was delivered before me, and bringing good tidings of an Apostle who shall come after me, and whose name shall be Ahmed. And when he produced unto them evident miracles, they said, this is manifest sorcery.  (The Noble Quran, 61:6)"

      Prophet Jesus here has shed the light on the old Prophecy of the coming Prophet, Ahmed.  So Ahmed was prophesied before Christ and also during Christ's lifetime.

      This film was also taken from this Youtube Channel.  As the author of the video said, look at the Aramaic alphabets in the Wikipedia link given, below.  See how Hhet and Tav are written.  They look very similar.  See also how the Dalet and Khaf are written, and how they're similar.  Now create your own "AHMAD" and "ETMAK" from these alphabets.  Now, compare the two words, and see how similar they look.  Compare the two words with the DSS by ignoring the vowels and accent ending.  Which word look similar?  Now read the whole chapter of Isaiah 42.  And even if the DSS was not tampered with, was it written wrongly as the letters are very similar?  The error could have gone back even before the DSS was written.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_alphabet
      http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/28_chart.html

      Manuscript
      http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qum-35.htm
      http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah#42:3

      Again, you can also read this 195-page PDF file [2] [3] in Arabic.  I am currently working on translating all of it into English.  It will be available soon, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

        

      The "Light of the Gentiles" Prophet:

      Also on the title of the Arabian Prophet being the "Light of the Gentiles", we see that this title was given to him numerous times in both the Bible's Scriptures and the Dead Sea Scrolls.  And this shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone, since truly the Gentiles of the Old Scriptures are the Muslims after Islam came to restore GOD Almighty's Original Faith.  So the Light that the Gentiles were going to receive was Islam; GOD Almighty's One and Original and Final and True Faith to all of mankind.

      The following image will shed more Truth on who the real Gentiles are, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).  They are all in the Muslim lands today, and they are the Muslims:
        

      (Click to enlarge)

      You can watch my debate for detailed demonstration and proofs:
        

      Does Muhammad exist in the Bible?


      Anthony Rogers

      VS


      Osama Abdallah

        


      Also, Christians in the Glorious Quran: 

      1. The Christians are the least disliked by GOD Almighty from among the disbelievers: Noble Verse 3:55.  Out of all disbelievers, Muslims will find the Christians to be full of love and mercy: 5:82.
          
      2.  فوق in 3:55, below in the article, means to put them above, or to make them better in status.
          
      3. Allah Almighty in Noble Verse 30:1-5 promised to make the Romans be victorious, because they were Christians.  But they still believe in conjecture: 4:157, 53:28, and they are among the misguided and those who went astray 1:7.  They're also crooked in their beliefs: 3:99, 7:45.
          
      4. Many of the Christians doubt trinity; a word that doesn't exist in the Bible!  Those Christians are closest to Islam, as long as they don't speak ill of Islam.  The same with the Jews who don't speak ill of the Prophets that came after such as Jesus and Muhammad: 3:113-114.

        For ample more proofs and Noble Verses, read the article below, and also please visit:

        www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_followers_prophecy.htm
        www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
        www.answering-christianity.com/blessed_jesus.htm

      
      
      

  • More on Jesus will return as an Arab, not as an Israeli (or Israelite):
      
    1. Again, the Bible declares in Matthew 24:25-27 that Jesus will return as an Arab, not a Jew:
        
      Matthew 24:25-27
      25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
      26 So if anyone tells you, There he is, out in the wilderness, do not go out; or, Here he is, in the inner rooms, do not believe it.
      27 For as lightning that comes
      from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
        
      The Bible, throughout its books, has thoroughly defined the "East" to be the Arabs: [1] [2] [3].
        
    2. Not only that, but the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls also predicted the coming of Prophet Ahmed from the east.  Ahmed is Prophet Muhammad's prophetic name.
        
    3. Prophet Muhammad said that Jesus Christ will return from Damascus.
        
    4. So why won't Jesus Christ return as a Jew from Israel?  See the Islamic Prophecies about the ONE-EYED dajjal (anti-Christ):
        
        

      See also:  The Islamic Prophecies section.

        

        

      Zionist Israel will rule the earth with Mighty Evil!  (Islamic Prophecy)

      The Glorious Quran declared 1,400 years ago that the Israeli Zionist machine will rule the entire earth with mighty evil and power.  They will reach "Mighty Heights" علوا كبيرا  of evil power and might on earth.  See Noble Verses 17:4-8:

    5. http://www.answering-christianity.com/nuclear_doom_prophecy.htm

    6. Also, Israel will be annihilated by all people of non-Muslims and Muslims according to the Glorious Quran's Prophecy.

    7. The Jews' financial domination and the Stock Market (control of the earth's wealth) are STUNNINGLY prophesied in the Glorious Quran!

    8. http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1515.msg5943.html#msg5943     (backup)

    9. http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1515.msg5950.html#msg5950     (backup)

    10. http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies

    11. http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

    12.   

      Also, Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, made a stunning prophecy about the one-eyed anti-Christ who will rule the infidels and the world:

      Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed."  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)"

      Prophet Muhammad had many visions about the dajjal, and gave many signs about him.  Some of the things the Prophet said about the dajjal were literal, and some were vision-metaphors.  The most prominent one is that he will be one-eyed.  This is both literal and metaphoric.  It is literal today because the zionist anti-Christ system is indeed represented by the ONE-EYE symbol as seen in the following images.  The metaphors here are Allah Almighty not being ONE-EYED, because nothing can describe Allah Almighty.  There is "none like unto Him" (Quran, 112:4).  In other words also, the Prophet warned that this ONE-EYED SATANIC system will be a worshiped deity.  And that false deity is not Allah Almighty.  For ample more details and proofs, please visit link below.

      Was the Islamic ONE-EYE Prophecy foretold before Islam in the Bible's Zechariah 11:17?  I demonstrated using ample Biblical verses that the ONE-EYED DAJJAL (anti-Christ) was never prophesied in the Bible to be ONE-EYED, nor was this Sign ever given in the Bible to any being.

    13. I also showed how Jesus Christ, from among many other verses, used this "right eye" expression.  So it was never a Sign about the dajjal before Islam.  It was no more than a general language of the Bible.
        
    14. The Bible in many verses uses "right hand" and "right eye" expressions for people and for GOD Almighty.
        
    15. None of these are Signs to anything.
    16. For ample Noble Verses and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet), and proofs, please visit:

    17. The ONE-EYED Dajjal's Signs and Powers according to Islam.
        

    18. Also visit: 9/11 was 100% an Israeli Mossad Operation!

    19. Many references of this Hadith (Saying) exist throughout our Islamic Texts.  This is one of the most popular Hadiths and Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.  And indeed, we are seeing it come to pass before our very eyes.  Please also visit:

    20. The hijacked Bible.
        

    21. Listen also to Jeremiah 18:1-10!
        

    22. The 666 symbol is actually referring to today's neo-con Christianity and Zionism!  See the clear-cut proofs and images here.
        

    23. Also see the sub-section: The Israeli 666 symbol.
        

    24. Does the Bible predict the dividing of Israel?  Who are the nations that divided Israel?  And what will be their punishment?
        

    25. The ONE-EYED Dajjal's Signs and Powers according to Islam.
        

    26. Was the Islamic ONE-EYE Prophecy foretold before Islam in the Bible's Zechariah 11:17?
        

    27. Sheikh Hamza Yusuf (Muslim convert Mark Hanson) on some of Islam's STUNNING End of Times Prophecies [1] [2] including ISIS:


        
        

    28. The following debate thoroughly demonstrates that ISIS is not Islamic, and that it was made by the zionists to pave the way for the "Another 9/11":



      IS ISIS ISLAMIC?
      Osama Abdallah vs David Wood Debate
      Saturday 12/06/2014

      The Debate PowerPoints contain the written material for my presentation and rebuttals.

        

    29. Also visit this website's Youtube Channel at: www.youtube.com/QuranSearchCom.

      
      
      
  • Also "Shalom" or Shalam, which means "Peace" in Hebrew, implies "GOD's Peace be upon you" is also derived from the root Word, Islam.  GOD Almighty's Eternal Peace and us submitting to Him and to His Divine Will in Peace, is also what His Divine Religion is.  Islam is the Original Faith.
      
  • Again, Hebrews used to pronounce the "s" as "sh".  They also pronounced the "a" as a thick "a".  So Shalom is really Salam, which means "Peace" in Arabic, and implies GOD Almighty's Peace in Islam.
      
  • Jews and Christians are much closer to Original Islam than the others [1] [2] [3].  This is one of the reasons why they're also called "People of the Book".  But they're expected to follow the Original Islam, and to know that the One Faith of GOD Almighty is Islam:
      
    "Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)!   Come to common terms as between us and you:  That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.'  If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).'  (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"
      
  • So for a Jew and Christian, it should be much easier to convert to Islam, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).  And of course, Islam was sent for all of mankind, and thus, we should all work on spreading Islam to mankind, in peace, wisdom, love and harmony:
      
    "Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.  (The Noble Quran, 16:125)"

    For ample more Noble Verses, please visit:
  • What is the Wisdom of Islam?
      
  • What is the place of Jesus, Christians, Jews and non-Muslims in Islam?
      
  • 2-  Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2].  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

               
           (Click to play videos)

           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

    3-  Did you know that the Lord Jesus Christ never died on the cross, according to Islam and also according to the Bible?

    4-  Did you know that according to the Bible, Christ rested in the cave (tomb) on the floor for 3 days receiving medical care from Mary Magdalene and others?  And that he rose and left after he healed?

         

    5-  Did you know that the Bible's "Rose from the Dead" had always been metaphorical and never literal? 

  • Example: Hebrews 11:19
    19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death
    (Isaac wasn't physically dead).
  • 6-  Did you know that Islam came to restore the Original Faith and to fix the corruption?  The Arabs were fresh, and had no previous corrupt scriptures, and they were ready for a Prophet.

    For ample proofs, quotes and references from the Bible for all of this, please visit: Why should I convert to Islam?
      
      


    2-  The Quran's Overwhelming Scientific Miracles!

    Some very STUNNING Divine Miracles: [1]

    Here are some of my favorite Stunning Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran from among the tens (10s) that are listed in this section:

    1-  Here is one stunning Numerical Miracle, from the 10s below, for you:

    The Glorious Quran has 114 Chapters. The sum of those Chapters is 6555 (1+2+...+114 = 6555). There are also 6236 Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran. Now, IF YOU ADD EACH CHAPTER # with the number of its Verses, then you get a list of numbers. So 1 (first Chapter) + 7 (# of its Verses) = 8. Do this for all Chapters.

    1-  The sum of the odd numbers from the list = 6555.
    2-  The sum of the even numbers from the list = 6236.

    See the XLS file for 100% confirmation.
      

    2-  The Great Miracle.  Allah Almighty in the Holy Quran called the Number 19 Miracle "One of the Mighty Ones (Miracles)" (74:30-37) [1] [2].  See the 100s of Noble Verses that clearly testify to this Great Miracle.  Also, did you know that Allah Almighty Said in Surat Nuh (that's Noble Chapter Nuh (Noah)) that Prophet Noah lived for 950 years among his people. 

    Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah is exactly written in 950 Letters [1] [2]!  You can thoroughly see this in the scanned images that thoroughly verify every single Noble Letter, in the links.  Click on the links to see the many other Numerical Miracles in the Holy Quran.  Also, see the Numerical Miracles section along with all of the other great sections.  Also, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

      
    3-  19 X 115 = 2185 Number 19 and BASMALA Miracle.  The total numerical value of Noble Verses 74:30-37 themselves, which are the heart of the Number 19 Miracle, has a stunning Miracle in it.  The value of these Noble Verses matches the multiplication of the BASMALA's number of letters (19 Letters) and their total numerical values (115): 19 X 115 = 2185.  The Basmala, which full text in Arabic means "In the Name of Allah The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful" is the Key to the Glorious Quran.  It is recited first before reading the Holy Quran, and it is also obligatory upon every Muslim to start with the Basmala before starting any task.  Again, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

      
    4-  Please also checkout the many hundreds (100s) of Great Numerical Miracles, and the many tens (10s) of other Great Scientific Miracles that deal with:

         1-  Embryology.
         2-  Biology.
         3-  Astronomy.
         4-  Geology.
         5-  Mathematics
         6-  Archeology.
         7-  Prophecies [1].

    For example:

    1-  The explosion of the Universe, Galaxies and Stars bring about Smoke.
      
    "When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint (
    وردة كالدهان)." (The Noble Quran, 55:37) [2] [3]
      

      
      

    Also, the Glorious Quran [1] declares that the earth is:

    1- Spherical.
    2- Suspended in Space.
    3- Rotating around itself.
    4- Is traveling in Space.

    This is also all demonstrated in good details in the following video file:

    www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
         

      
    There are many STUNNING Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran that testify to the Divinity of the Glorious Quran.  The following are small examples from many tens (10s) of Miracles:

    1-  Did you know that the Glorious Quran declares that the earth is:

  • Spherical.
  • Suspended in Space.
  • Traveling in Space.
  • Revolves around itself, or its own axle?
      
  • Also, all celestial bodies are يعرجون Yaa'rujoon (traveling in orbits [2] [3] [4] [5]) in space.  This video is about Noble Verses 32:5, 34:2, 57:4, 70:3-4 and others, and the Arabic words عرج , عروج , معارج  and  معراج  that all refer to "going in an orbital and curvy path" in the Glorious Quran and our Islamic Texts.
      
      
    A STUNNING Hadith [1] [2] [3] [4] from Prophet Muhammad regarding the rising and setting POINTS:


      
    Question:

    Did Prophet Muhammad know think that the earth was spherical or flat?

    Answer:

    In this Hadith, above, he certainly seems to have known this fact very well.  And this Hadith is even older than Sahih Bukhari.  It is important to know that Imam Bukhari and others have declared that they have discarded thousands of Hadiths:

    www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/bukhari.html

  • "The two sahih collections did not gather the totality of the authentic ahadith as proved by al-Bukhari's testimony: "I have not included in my book al-Jami` but what is authentic, and I left out among the authentic for fear of [excessive] length."
      

  • "... Bukhari, collected twenty thousand of them, of which he rejected ten thousand, accounting them untrue. Of the remaining ten thousand he accepted only 7,275, declaring the rest to be untrustworthy. Abu Da'ud accepted as authentic only 4,800 rules out 50,000."

  •   
    This is to keep their volumes as simple and manageable as possible.  So it is quite possible that the Prophet spoke about the earth being spherical, and the Glorious Quran certainly did, and
    people just dismissed them as nonsense.  I have covered your question in great details at:

    www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm

  •   

    2-  Did you know that the Glorious Quran has 1000s (thousands) of Numerical Notions that have yet to be fully made clear to us?  For example, here is just one Numerical Miracle from among hundreds that were already discovered:

  • The Glorious Quran has 114 Chapters. The sum of those Chapters is 6555 (1+2+...+114 = 6555). There are also 6236 Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran. Now, IF YOU ADD EACH CHAPTER # with the number of its Verses, then you get a list of numbers. So 1 (first Chapter) + 7 (# of its Verses) = 8. Do this for all Chapters.
      
     1-  The sum of the odd numbers from the list = 6555.
     2-  The sum of the even numbers from the list = 6236.
      
  • See the XLS file for 100% confirmation.
      
  • Dr. Zaghloul Al-najjar has proven the Speed of Light in the Glorious Quran: Time and the Speed of Light precisely calculated and mentioned in the Noble Quran.
      
    1. Speed of Light detailed article.
        
  • The Great Miracle, Part 2, Episode 10, by the Engineer Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي.  Translated to English by Osama Abdallah (me).  Allah Almighty Said that the Number 19 Sign is "One of the Greatest Miracles" (74:35) in the Noble Quran [1] [2]. This Miracle is thoroughly examined throughout this 30-Episode TV Program.  I am going to have it all translated into English in both Audio and Video, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).  I will also translate the 653-page book that gave 100s of examples from the Glorious Quran's Numerical Miracles:
      

      
    Episodes of Program in Video: [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]...
    Episodes of Program in Audio: [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]...
      
      
    Note:  A brief QA sessions [2].  This is not a deviant pro Rashad Khalifa website!  The Miracle is based on 100% of the Glorious Quran, and the article below is based on the work of brother, who is also a Civil Engineer, Adnan Al Refaei المهندس عدنان الرفاعي .  Also, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

      

      

    The Great Miracle of Number 19 is thoroughly demonstrated:

    Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

    [074:030]  Over it are Nineteen عليها تسعة عشر.
      
    [074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY 
    وماجعلنا عدتهم الا  as (1) a trial for Unbelievers,- (2) in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, (3) and the Believers may increase in Faith,- (4) and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, (5) and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.
      
    [074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,
    [074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,
    [074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-
    [074:035]  This is but one of the MIGHTY ONES (Miracles)
    انها لاحدى الكبر.
    [074:036] A warning to mankind,-
    [074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-

    The scanned images that demonstrate the STUNNING Numerical Miracles of these Noble Verses, based on the newly discovered Numerical Law from Surat Nuh in the Glorious Quran, and 1000s others are listed below.

      

    All Praise and Thanks and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone.  First of all, Allah Almighty said in the Holy Quran that the Number 19 Miracle is "One of the Mighty Ones" in Noble Verses 74:30-37.  Click this sub-section in this article for the text and details about the Noble Verses.  In the scanned images below, you will not only see that Noble Verses 74:30-37 are in perfect match with the Number 19 Miracle (2185 is their total numerical value and it is equal to 19 X 115) [1], but they're also in perfect match with the Glorious Quran's "Key Noble Verse", the Basmala, in both its total Numerical value, 115, and total number of Letters, which are 19 Letters.  See the scanned images, again, with 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article, listed below:

    The following images contain my calculations, which thoroughly verify the claim about Noble Verses 74:30-37.  Their total numerical value is exactly 2185, which is equal to 19 X 115:

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    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0133.jpg
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  • Sections:
    -  More elaboration and proofs in the next section.
    -  Also, more images for other examples below.
      
  • The Quranic Law, which is thoroughly defined in the Glorious Quran, that differentiates between a "written letter" (also known as a "drawn letter") and a letter that is only a vowel, and defines the numerical value (see table) of the written letter, this Quranic Law is thoroughly laid out in Noble Chapter 71.  The Chapter is called Surat Nuh.  Nuh is Prophet Noah, peace be upon him.  Allah Almighty used this Noble Surah to determine what is a drawn letter and what is a vowel in all Noble Verses throughout the Glorious Quran.  Only the written letters have numerical values.  Vowels don't have numerical values.  See the following images.

    Also, Allah Almighty Said in this Noble Surah, Surah 71, that Prophet Nuh (Noah) lived for 950 years among his people.  Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah is exactly written in 950 Letters!  Once we counted the drawn letters only, we found them to be exactly 950 letters.  You can see this in the scanned images that I produced with my own hand-written verification for each Noble Letter:

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    The following examples are stunningly amazing:

  • Prophet Nuh's story with his people in 24 Noble Verses, which are 11:25-49.  These Noble Verses are in Surat Hud, which is Chapter 11 in the Holy Quran.  Except for one verse inside them that speaks directly to Prophet Muhammad, all other verses speak about Noah and his people.  What is STUNNINGLY MIRACULOUS about these Noble Verses is that the first set from Noble Verses 11:25 to 34, they have the total numerical value of 4,177.  Then Noble Verse 11:35, which is about Prophet Muhammad, has the total numerical value of 327.  Then Noble Verses 11:36-49 have the total numerical value of 6,159.  Therefore, 4177 + 6159 = 10,336, which is equal to 19 X 544.  In other words, the Noble Verses that only speak about Prophet Noah and his people have a total numerical value that is divisible by 19 without any remainder:
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  • Furthermore on Noble Verse 11:35, it starts with: "Or do they say, "Has he forged it"?" ام يقولون افتراه:
      

      
    When we take all of the Noble Verses (10:38, 11:13, 11:35, 32:3, 46:8) throughout the Glorious Quran that start with this exact phrase
    ام يقولون افتراه, we also find that their total numerical value is divisible by 19 without any remainder.  2470 = 19 X 130.  The following images give all of the details.  You can also see my hand-count in these images:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0277.jpg  (start from last verse in this image, the one that has the count of 478)

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    Click to enlarge:

      
    Verification from my website, www.QuranSearch.com.  Search for text:
    ام يقولون افتراه:
      

      
    Here is the link for the
    search result page.
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    19 X 19:

  • The NOORANIYYAH Letters, or the Noorani Letters of the Holy Quran.  These are the opening Letters of several of the Noble Surahs (Chapters) that have hidden Divine meanings in them.  All Praise and Glory and Thanks are due to Allah Almighty Alone!  Now adding all of them together, using the main table's values, gave us a total that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder.  Not only that, but their total number is 361, which is equal to 19 X 19:
  • www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0138.jpg

    Does the Quran say the earth is sitting on a back of a whale?  The nun (noon) whale and Prophet Jonah in the Quran.
      

  • Adding all of the numerical values of the Prophets' and Messengers' names that were mentioned in the Holy Quran also all add up to a number that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder:
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    Taking this standard for determining which is an actual written/drawn letter and which is only a vowel from all of the Glorious Quran's characters, and applying it to the entire Quran, we found literally THOUSANDS OF STUNNING EXAMPLES AND PATTERNS [1] and Miracles.  And building a numerical table that gives numerical values to the Drawn Letters from most occurring to the least (value 1 given to the most occurring drawn letter, value 2 given to the second most occurring one, and so on....), and applying these numerical values to calculate the numerical value of the Glorious Quran's Drawn Letters and Words, we found thousands of stunning numerical results [1].  And the Number 19 Miracle and the BASMALA and Noble Verses 74:30-37 give you an amazing demonstration of this Divine Miracle [1] [2] [3].

    The following points will clearly explain and demonstrate this Divine Miracle:

      
    1-  Allah Almighty has designed the Holy Quran's Text to be written in a certain complex form, and with great consistency throughout the Holy Quran's 114 Chapters, which are made of 6236 Noble Verses.  The following table shows each Noble Quran Letter's numerical value:

    www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png

    Also, the following zip file contains thousands of the examples, from the thousands others that I have not yet been able to get to due to my busy schedule:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip

      

    Number of Years = Number of Letters:

    There is nothing random about the Glorious Quran's Words and their Letters.  As it is thoroughly demonstrated in the scanned images, when we for example see that Noble Surah (Chapter) Nuh (Noah) is written in exactly 950 Noble Letters [1], and Allah Almighty Said that Prophet Nuh lived among his people for 950 years in the same Noble Surah, then there is nothing random about this one.

    Not only that, but there are many other Numerical patterns discovered in the Glorious Quran that are linked to the number of years.  For example, Allah Almighty's two Divine Promises to the people of Israel's destruction were both combined written in 75 Words, and each Promise was written in 75 letters.  And the two sets of Noble Verses for the two Promises are after each others in the same Noble Surah 17:4-8.  So the first set of Noble Verses that speak about the first Promise, which already took place, were written in 75 Letters, and the second set of Noble Verses that speak about the future destruction were written also in 75 Letters:

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    Brother Adnan raised the following questions:

  • Could these Noble Verses be referring to the second destruction of Israel in 75 years after its establishment?
  • And if so, then would they be 75 years after 1948 or 1967?
  • Only Allah Almighty Alone Knows.  We are currently living some of ISLAM'S STUNNING PROPHECIES about Israel, the zionist machine, and their evil that is being spread throughout earth as exactly prophesied in the Glorious Quran:

    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/dajjal.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/666.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/911_is_the_biggest_lie.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/nuclear_doom_prophecy.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/walid_shoebat_islam_satan_rebuttal.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/quran.htm

    See also Daniel Prophecies about Israel and its map [2].  Daniel 11:45: "(the evil one) will establish his settlement between Mount Zion (Jerusalem) and the Mediterranean sea.  Then he will be destroyed, and no one will be able to save him."  That is precisely Israel today!

      

    Similarly, when we look into the number 19 Miracle, which Allah Almighty called it "One of the  Mighty Ones" in Noble Verses 74:30-37, and we find out that It is indeed a MIGHTY MIRACLE, then there is nothing random about it either.  What brother Adnan Al Refaei المهندس عدنان الرفاعي did was he took the Arabic drawn alphabets, that are not vowels, and calculated how many times each letter occurred in the Glorious Quran, since the Glorious Quran's Letters are Miraculous, and there is nothing random about them as we've seen in the few examples above, and also in many more like them [1].  See images below.  Brother Adnan then built a numerical table where the highest occurring letter would have the value 1, and the second highest would carry the value 2, and so on.  He then started calculating the numerical values of the Noble Letters in the Glorious Quran and came up with these mighty discoveries.  Again, the table's link is:

    www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png

    This table in the link has more elaboration in it than the one brother, who also used to be an Engineer, Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي gave in his book on page 140, which is page 136 in the PDF file (If you see gibberish, then install these required fonts & instructionMy Sony Vaio laptop didn't require them.  My other older computers did.  The fonts on my Sony Vaio also seem a bit better than these ones.  So please only install them if you see gibberish).

    And again, the following zip file contains thousands of the examples, from the thousands others that I have not yet been able to get to due to my busy schedule:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip

      

      

    The Number 19 Miracle:

    This Noble Miracle is not about bringing random numerical combinations' values and show that they're equal to other certain combinations.  Some tried to belittle this Noble Divine Miracle by bringing random combinations and said that they matched certain phrases in the Glorious Quran.  For example:

    "America is Great" "Allah is Great" Therefore, America is Divine?
    "Satan is evil" "Jesus is evil" Therefore, Jesus is evil?
    "Satan is good" "Muhammad is good" Therefore, satan is good?
    "Jesus" "Satanic" Therefore, Jesus is satanic?
    "Abraham" "GOD is One" Therefore, Abraham is GOD?
    "Prophets" "Prostitutes" Therefore, all Prophets were prostitutes?
    "Mary" "Liar" Therefore, Mary was a liar?
    "Moses" "Satanist" Therefore, Moses was a satanist?
    "GOD is Love" "Satan loves you" Therefore, GOD is satan?
    "GOD is Light" "Satan's darkness" Therefore, satan and GOD are both the same Light?
  • These are just hypothetical examples.  The values may not match.  But you get the point.  You could come up with any phrase that numerically has the same value as another phrase and claim that they have the same meaning.
      
  • But this is not how the Miracle works!  The way it works, with already 1,000s of confirmed examples [2 (fonts)], is as follows:

    The Noble Verses and Statements (Parts of Noble Verses that are specific to a specific point.  Some Noble Verses speak about multiple things), in the Holy Quran, that are correlating to each others, and are ones that collectively make up an entire case, - a full picture, - will have a total numerical value that is divisible by the number 19 without any remainder.  Thousands of examples [1] [2] already demonstrated this.  And Noble Verses 74:30-37, which are the heart of the Number 19 Miracle, and in them Allah Almighty Said about this Noble Miracle that it is "One of the Greatest Ones" (74:35), are thoroughly demonstrated in the following images and tables. 
      
    Again, the following images contain my calculations, which thoroughly verify the claim about Noble Verses 74:30-37.  Their total numerical value is exactly
    2185, which is equal to 19 X 115:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0132.jpg
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  • More images for other examples below.
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    In the following Noble Verses 74:30-37, notice the following important points:

    1. Allah Almighty mentioned, in Noble Verses 74:30-37, that He based the Glorious Quran on the Number 19 Miracle for the following reasons:
        
      (a)-  As a trial to the disbelievers.
      (b)-  To help strengthen the Believers' faith more.
      (c)-  To assure the disbelievers that Islam is Divine.
      (d)-  Because it is one of the Greatest Signs and Miracles!
        

    2. And once again, GOD Almighty made the number 19 be the Noble Quran's Main Numerical Miracle.  He called it: "One of the Greatest Ones" in Chapter 74:35.

      

    Let's all read Noble Verses 74:30-37, and look at its scanned images:

    Read the Noble Verses for yourself to clearly see the points that I mentioned above:

    [074:030]  Over it are Nineteen عليها تسعة عشر.
      
    [074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY 
    وماجعلنا عدتهم الا  as (1) a trial for Unbelievers,- (2) in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, (3) and the Believers may increase in Faith,- (4) and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, (5) and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.
      
    [074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,
    [074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,
    [074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-
    [074:035]  This is but one of the MIGHTY ONES (Miracles)
    انها لاحدى الكبر.
    [074:036] A warning to mankind,-
    [074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-

      

    The scanned images  are below the following table.  Let us see the Noble Verses in English and Arabic:

    Noble Verse(s) 74:30-74:37
    Yusuf Ali:

    [074:030] Over it are Nineteen  عليها تسعة عشر.

    [074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY وماجعلنا عدتهم الا as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this ?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.

    [074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,

    [074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,

    [074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-

    [074:035] This is but one of the MIGHTY (portents) MIGHTY ONES (Miracles) انها لاحدى الكبر.

    [074:036] A warning to mankind,-

    [074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-

    Arabic (from right to left):

    Original Quran-Arabic:








    Limited Arabic for internet browsers:

    74:30
     عليها تسعة عشر

    74:31 وماجعلنا اصحاب النار الا ملائكة وماجعلنا عدتهم الا فتنة للذين كفروا ليستيقن الذين اوتوا الكتاب ويزداد الذين امنوا ايمانا ولايرتاب الذين اوتوا الكتاب والمؤمنون وليقول الذين في قلوبهم مرض والكافرون ماذا اراد الله بهذا مثلا كذلك يضل الله من يشاء ويهدي من يشاء ومايعلم جنود ربك الا هو وماهي الا ذكرى للبشر

    74:32 كلا والقمر

    74:33 والليل اذ ادبر

    74:34 والصبح اذا اسفر

    74:35 انها لاحدى الكبر

    74:36 نذيرا للبشر

    74:37 لمن شاء منكم ان يتقدم او يتاخر

      

    2-  The following examples are stunningly amazing:

  • The NOORANIYYAH Letters, or the Noorani Letters of the Holy Quran.  These are the opening Letters of several of the Noble Surahs (Chapters) that have hidden Divine meanings in them.  All Praise and Glory and Thanks are due to Allah Almighty Alone!  Now adding all of them together, using the main table's values, gave us a total that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder.  Not only that, but their total number is 361, which is equal to 19 X 19:
  • www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0138.jpg

    Does the Quran say the earth is sitting on a back of a whale?  The nun (noon) whale and Prophet Jonah in the Quran.
      

  • Adding all of the numerical values of the Prophets' and Messengers' names that were mentioned in the Holy Quran also all add up to a number that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder:
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    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0237.jpg

      

  • Prophet Nuh's story with his people in 24 Noble Verses, which are 11:25-49.  These Noble Verses are in Surat Hud, which is Chapter 11 in the Holy Quran.  Except for one verse inside them that speaks directly to Prophet Muhammad, all other verses speak about Noah and his people.  What is STUNNINGLY MIRACULOUS about these Noble Verses is that the first set from Noble Verses 11:25 to 34, they have the total numerical value of 4,177.  Then Noble Verse 11:35, which is about Prophet Muhammad, has the total numerical value of 327.  Then Noble Verses 11:36-49 have the total numerical value of 6,159.  Therefore, 4177 + 6159 = 10,336, which is equal to 19 X 544.  In other words, the Noble Verses that only speak about Prophet Noah and his people have a total numerical value that is divisible by 19 without any remainder:
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  • Furthermore on Noble Verse 11:35, it starts with: "Or do they say, "Has he forged it"?" ام يقولون افتراه:
      

      
    When we take all of the Noble Verses (10:38, 11:13, 11:35, 32:3, 46:8) throughout the Glorious Quran that start with this exact phrase
    ام يقولون افتراه, we also find that their total numerical value is divisible by 19 without any remainder.  2470 = 19 X 130.  The following images give all of the details.  You can also see my hand-count in these images:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0277.jpg  (start from last verse in this image, the one that has the count of 478)

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    Click to enlarge:

      
    Verification from my website, www.QuranSearch.com.  Search for text:
    ام يقولون افتراه:
      

      
    Here is the link for the
    search result page.
  •   
    There are many other examples that Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي gave in his book (Again, if you see gibberish, then install these required fonts & instructionMy Sony Vaio laptop didn't require them.  My other older computers did.  The fonts on my Sony Vaio also seem a bit better than these ones.  So please only install them if you see gibberish).

    Furthermore, the total numerical value of Noble Verses 74:30-37 themselves, which are the heart of the Number 19 Miracle, has a stunning Miracle in it.  The value of these Noble Verses matches the multiplication of the BASMALA's number of letters (19 Letters) and their total numerical values (115): 19 X 115 = 2185.  The Basmala, which full text in Arabic means "In the Name of Allah The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful" is the Key to the Glorious Quran.  It is recited first before reading the Holy Quran, and it is also obligatory upon every Muslim to start with the Basmala before starting any task:

    The following links are the original images from the PDF book of Noble Verses 74:30-37 and the Basmala.  Also, the link to the PDF book is in the following as well:

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    www.answering-christianity.com/page_144_basmala_is_quran_key.png
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip

    The following images contain my calculations, which thoroughly verify the claim about Noble Verses 74:30-37.  Their total numerical value is exactly 2185, which is equal to 19 X 115:

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    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0133.jpg
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    Again, the Holy Quran's Law that Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي discovered is as follows:

    (a)-  The Noble Verses and Statements (Parts of Noble Verses that are specific to a specific point.  Some Noble Verses speak about multiple things) of the Holy Quran that are correlating to each others, and are ones that collectively make up an entire case, - a full picture, - will have a total numerical value that is divisible by the number 19 without any remainder.

    (b)-  You can also watch The Great Miracle, Part 2, Episode 10, by the Engineer Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي.  Translated to English by Osama Abdallah (me).

    Episodes of Program in Video: [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]...
    Episodes of Program in Audio: [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]...

    Allah Almighty Said that the Number 19 Sign is "One of the Greatest Miracles" (74:35) in the Noble Quran. This Miracle is thoroughly examined throughout this TV Program.

    You can download this video, and all of the videos that are available on my website at: www.answering-christianity.com/free_downloads.htm.

      

    3-  Again, to clearly and thoroughly see the Number 19 Divine Miracle of the Holy Quran, you can see the 100s of images that I scanned and processed from Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي book, which is 653 pages long at:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip

    I only processed 1/3 of the book so far.  But the examples that I provided give thorough demonstration and ample examples that demonstrate this Great Divine Miracle from the Glorious Quran.

      

    4-  Furthermore, Allah Almighty Promised and took it upon Himself to Perfectly Preserve the Holy Quran in both:

    (a)-  Text documentation and compilation.
    (b)-  Reading and Noble Words and Letters pronunciations.

    This is because the Holy Quran that we have here on earth is a copy of the One that is in the "Preserved Divine Tablet".  To see the ample Noble Verses that clearly prove this, please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/quran.htm

      

    The following is from: www.answering-christianity.com/quran.htm

    Also visit these posts with very important images and points:

      
    1-  Thorough studies on the Quran's Compilation by the "Islamic Awareness" website:

  • http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/
  • http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/
  • http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/
  • http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/
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    2-  The Sana Manuscripts lie:

  • Islamic Awareness' research.
  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/mosque_of_sanaa.htm  (A very good response by brother Karim)
  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1542.msg6030.html#msg6030  Sana is 677.4 miles away from Mecca!
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    3-  The Divine Miracle of the Quran's Text and Compilation:

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1457.msg5825.html#msg5825
  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1457.msg5856.html#msg5856
  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1457.0.html
  • Dr. Munir Munshey's [2] Quran Translation document.
  • 100% guarantee that the Quran is from GOD Almighty.
  • The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles of the Glorious Quran.  Here is one little sample from just the Numerical Miracles alone:
      
      
  • The Divine Promise and Miracle of the Glorious Quran's Preservation in Text and Pronunciation:

    Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran regarding preserving the Holy Quran's Text and Pronunciation the following:

    Noble Verse(s) 15:9
    Yusuf Ali:

    [015:009]  We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).

    Arabic (from right to left):

    Original Quran-Arabic:

    Limited Arabic for internet browsers:

    15:9 انا نحن نزلنا الذكر وانا له لحافظون

      

    Noble Verse(s) 41:42
    Yusuf Ali:

    [041:042]  No falsehood can approach it (the Quran) from before or behind it: It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise.

    Arabic (from right to left):

    41:42 لاياتيه الباطل من بين يديه ولامن خلفه تنزيل من حكيم حميد

      

    Noble Verse(s) 75:16-75:19
    Sher Ali:

    [075:016]  Move not thy tongue, O Prophet, with the revelation of the Qur'an that thou mayest hasten to preserve it.

    [075:017]  Surely, upon US rests its collection and its recital.

    [075:018]  So when WE recite it, then follow thou its recital.

    [075:019]  Then upon US rests the expounding thereof.

    Arabic (from right to left):




    75:16 لاتحرك به لسانك لتعجل به

    75:17 ان علينا جمعه وقرانه

    75:18 فاذا قراناه فاتبع قرانه

    75:19 ثم ان علينا بيانه

    The Noble Verses above give Divine Promise from Allah Almighty:

    1-  To send down the Holy Quran to mankind.

    2-  To protect the Holy Quran from all corruption.

    3-  To preserve the way the Holy Quran's recitation.

         (i)-  Prophet Muhammad was trained by Angel Gabriel on how to recite the Holy Quran.

         (ii)- The Prophet was further instructed to not be careless with his tongue when he recites that Holy Quran.

         (iii)- The Prophet was also instructed to not be haste when it comes to reading the Holy Quran.  He should read it with extreme care.

    Important Note:  The Sunni Muslims, who make up more than 90% of all Muslims, today have perfected the recitation of the Holy Quran.  We have yearly tournaments with big prizes on who memorizes the Holy Quran the best, not just in Holy Words, but also in the pronunciation of the Holy Words.

    4-  To make the Holy Quran clear and an official Book for all Muslims.  Noble Verse 75:19 "ثم ان علينا بيانه" literally translates as "It is Upon Us to manifest it, make it clear, make it known.

          (i)-  The Arabic Word بيانه is derived from بيان , which literally means:

               1.  statement
               2.  declaration
               3.  proclamation
               4.  report
               5.  representation
               6.  notice
               7.  notification
               8.  list
               9.  pronouncement
               10.  list
               11.  bulletin
               12.  handout
               13.  program

    When a government official, such as the president or any senior person makes an official statement, he sends out a بيان bayan.  Clearly, this Divine Promise by Allah Almighty had come true.  All Praise and Glory and Thanks are due to Him, Alone!  The Holy Quran today is indeed perfectly preserved in both text and pronunciation No religious scripture on the face of this earth has this.  For ample more proofs, please see this discussion on this website's blog: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1116.msg3760.html#msg3760.

    Furthermore, the actual text of the Glorious Quran is a Miracle by Itself.  The variations in the spelling of certain Words, and the fact that their Numerical Values match, and their total is a multiple of the #19 without remainders, testifies to the Glorious Quran's Great #19 Miracle, which Allah Almighty called it: "One of the Greatest Ones (Miracles)" (74:35).

      

    5-  Also, when Allah Almighty set the number 19 as a Law for the Universe and the Holy Quran, then this is something that humans should thoroughly investigate here on earth and in space:

  • Spherical Geometry, the number 19 Miracle, the Inner-Nature of the Planets' System, and the Universe's function.  The Glorious Quran Says that Number 19 is لاحدى الكبر "One of the Great Ones (i.e., Miracles)".

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    6-  And once again, here are other STUNNING Miracles:

    Some very STUNNING Divine Miracles: [1]

    Here are some of my favorite Stunning Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran from among the tens (10s) that are listed in this section:

    1-  Here is one stunning Numerical Miracle, from the 10s below, for you:

    The Glorious Quran has 114 Chapters. The sum of those Chapters is 6555 (1+2+...+114 = 6555). There are also 6236 Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran. Now, IF YOU ADD EACH CHAPTER # with the number of its Verses, then you get a list of numbers. So 1 (first Chapter) + 7 (# of its Verses) = 8. Do this for all Chapters.

    1-  The sum of the odd numbers from the list = 6555.
    2-  The sum of the even numbers from the list = 6236.

    See the XLS file for 100% confirmation.
      

    2-  The Great Miracle.  Allah Almighty in the Holy Quran called the Number 19 Miracle "One of the Mighty Ones (Miracles)" (74:30-37) [1] [2].  See the 100s of Noble Verses that clearly testify to this Great Miracle.  Also, did you know that Allah Almighty Said in Surat Nuh (that's Noble Chapter Nuh (Noah)) that Prophet Noah lived for 950 years among his people. 

    Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah is exactly written in 950 Letters [1] [2]!  You can thoroughly see this in the scanned images that thoroughly verify every single Noble Letter, in the links.  Click on the links to see the many other Numerical Miracles in the Holy Quran.  Also, see the Numerical Miracles section along with all of the other great sections.  Also, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

      
    3-  19 X 115 = 2185 Number 19 and BASMALA Miracle.  The total numerical value of Noble Verses 74:30-37 themselves, which are the heart of the Number 19 Miracle, has a stunning Miracle in it.  The value of these Noble Verses matches the multiplication of the BASMALA's number of letters (19 Letters) and their total numerical values (115): 19 X 115 = 2185.  The Basmala, which full text in Arabic means "In the Name of Allah The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful" is the Key to the Glorious Quran.  It is recited first before reading the Holy Quran, and it is also obligatory upon every Muslim to start with the Basmala before starting any task.  Again, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

      
    4-  Please also checkout the many hundreds (100s) of Great Numerical Miracles, and the many tens (10s) of other Great Scientific Miracles that deal with:

         1-  Embryology.
         2-  Biology.
         3-  Astronomy.
         4-  Geology.
         5-  Mathematics
         6-  Archeology.
         7-  Prophecies [1].

    For example:

    1-  The explosion of the Universe, Galaxies and Stars bring about Smoke.
      
    "When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint (
    وردة كالدهان)." (The Noble Quran, 55:37) [2] [3]
      

      
      

    Also, the Glorious Quran [1] declares that the earth is:

    1- Spherical.
    2- Suspended in Space.
    3- Rotating around itself.
    4- Is traveling in Space.

    This is also all demonstrated in good details in the following video file:

    www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
      

      

    Some of the other Numerical Miracles: [1]

    Dr. Zaghloul Al-najjar has proven the Speed of Light in the Glorious Quran: Time and the Speed of Light precisely calculated and mentioned in the Noble Quran.

    1. Speed of Light detailed article.
        

    Moon is mentioned 28 times in the Noble Quran, exactly as the number of times and phases it appears to earth!

    The Lunar Calendar is the most accurate calendar - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science.  Also the precise calculation of difference between the Gregorian and Lunar calendars is demonstrated in the Noble Quran.

    "Day" occurs 365 times, and "month" occurs 12 times in the Glorious Quran!  I personally counted them and listed them in this article!

    Adam and Jesus have the same occurrences in the Noble Quran.

    Iron's atomic number is perfectly mentioned in the Holy Quran.

    The land-sea ratio Miracle - Mentioned in the Glorious Quran and confirmed by Science!  I personally calculated the occurrences of the Words in the Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran.

    Did Prophet Muhammad say that the human body is made up of 360 joints?

    Was Adam 90 feet tall?  See how Science suggests that Prophet Muhammad's Hadith is Scientifically True, and it also thoroughly confirms the Glorious Quran's Claims about earth's ancient size, and how it kept on expanding.

      

    Please also checkout the many hundreds (100s) of Great Numerical Miracles, and the many tens (10s) of other Great Scientific Miracles that deal with:

         1-  Embryology.
         2-  Biology.
         3-  Astronomy.
         4-  Geology.
         5-  Mathematics
         6-  Archeology.
         7-  Prophecies [1].
      

      

    7-  The detailed sections in "The Scientific and Numerical Miracles" section: [1]

    The sub sections here are:  (Click on any of the numbers to go to section)

    1-  Life, Origins of life from water and dust in the Noble Quran, Plants and their origins.
    2- 
    The Earth's rotation, formation, Mountains and Oceanology.
    3-  The Universe, Time, Astronomy, UFOs and Space Shuttles.
    4-  Embryology, Human Anatomy, Formation, and Creation from the time of sexual intercourse to the time of birth.

    5-  The STUNNING Numerical Miracles in the Glorious QuranWith 1,000s of examples!

    6-  Medicine, Insects and Animals.
    7-  Psychology.
    8-  Archeology and History.
    9-  Great Web Sites and Online Books.  More great resources and web site are available online.

    10-  Rebuttals.
    11-  General articles, videos and audios.

    12-  STUNNING Prophecies.
    13-  Audios and Videos of of the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.
    14-  Other.

    And last and not least, indeed, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone for making the Noble Quran be the Perfect and Everlasting Miracle, for us humans, out of all of His Divine Miracles!  And may Allah Almighty send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our Beloved and Blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, Muhammad.  Ameen.


      

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    3-  My Main Debates:

    (To download, right click on any of the images, and click "Save Link As" or "Save Target As")

    The Debates and Debate PowerPoints contain the written material for my presentation and rebuttals.
      

    Does Muhammad exist in the Bible?


    Anthony Rogers

    VS


    Osama Abdallah

    Also visit: Prophet Muhammad was mentioned in the previous Scriptures.  Also, his Prophetic Name, AHMED or AHMAD, was both mentioned in the Glorious Quran and the DEAD SEA SCROLLS.  Yes, his name was recently found in the DEAD SEA SCROLLS as the coming Servant.  See the image for yourself.

      

    Is Jesus the GOD-Man?


    Dr. Edward Dalcour

    VS


    Osama Abdallah

    John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [2] [3])."

    Also visit: Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.

    Other important links: [1] [2] [3]

    Also:
    Jesus had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our Creator?
    Jesus said he had no Divine Will.  Jesus had to seek permission from GOD before performing any Miracle.

      

    Is the Bible the True Word of GOD Almighty?


    Louis Lionheart

    VS


    Osama Abdallah

    What parts of the Bible and Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth, and Why? [1] [2]
      

      

    Is the Quran a Scientific Miracle?


    David Wood

    VS


    Osama Abdallah

      



    Was Muhammad a True Prophet?
    Osama Abdallah vs C.L. Edwards
    Saturday 12/06/2014



    IS ISIS ISLAMIC?
    Osama Abdallah vs David Wood Debate
    Saturday 12/06/2014

    The debates above could also be viewed on my Youtube Channel respectively at: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6].  Also, the Debates (videos on this site and on Youtube) and Debate-PowerPoints contain the written material for my presentation and rebuttals.

    Note to Muslims:

    As Muslims, we must be very careful when we comment on the previous Scriptures, because there is always a possibility that there might be Divine Revelations parts in the verses that we might be objecting to.  I know that the many of the disbelievers constantly insult and mock Islam all the time, and even lie on their own Scriptures with their "End of Times Prophecies" lies, -where they hijacked even the Bible with their bigotry, hate and lies, - but still dear brothers and sisters in Islam, we must always be very careful when we deal with previous Scriptures, because as Muslims we do believe that they do contain remnants of Divine Revelations in them.  May Allah Almighty forgive me, and forgive all sincere Muslims, for any and all mistakes and errors that we may have fell into.  Ameen.
      

    The Gospel Christ:

    So, what was the Gospel of Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ?  Even among Christians, this remains a mystery.  But the Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings of Jesus Christ.  The following points are important to always keep in mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure and accurate.  There are always forgeries and alterations.  This is the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible.

    "Is the Bible the True Word of GOD Almighty?" and "What does the Quran Say about the Bible?" To answer these two questions and the many more, visit the debates above.

    For ample proofs, watch the debates above.  I updated them with: 

  • Detailed analysis what the Holy Quran Says about the Bible.
      
  • Detailed analysis on what the Bible says about itself. I used Deuteronomy 4:2 and other verses to prove that Jews and Christians erroneously mix everything together in the Bible and give it the same weight.
      
  • I demonstrated how the Bible is mixed between man-made history and conversations and claims, and Commands from GOD Almighty such as "Thus Said the LORD....". These verses can't all be on the same level of Authority and Holiness.
      
  • Proofs that the Holy Quran doesn't recognized Constantine's canonized "Bible" as GOD Almighty's official Book, and that the "Book" that the Holy Quran refers to is the Law of Moses (the Law that was sent to Moses, peace be upon him).
      
  • I also added clips from Dr. Jamal Badawi, Dr. Shabir Ally, David Wood and other clips to demonstrate what the Holy Quran Says about the Bible, and what the Bible theologians say about the Bible.
      
  • I also showed that the Injil is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, and that Gospel, or fragments of Its Law, did exist in Arabia. Not only that, but we also have many of the teachings of Christ documented in the Didachae Gospel and in other Gospels. The Didachae Gospel, which was not canonized by Constantine's committee, is even older than the current Bible's Gospels and Books.
      
  • I also demonstrated how GOD Almighty's Original and One Faith that He sent to mankind was Islam, and how the Believers' titles had always been Muslims.
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    See Also:

    The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22

    Jesus is Yahweh the Son?  See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT, using Jesus' words himself!
    Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?

    Anti-Christ | 1john 2:22-23 | 911 was 100% an Israeli Lie | Boston | 666| Dividing Israel

    Note:  The (*) links below are html backups of the website's blog topic threads, in case the blog and its database are down.

    From: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:

      

    1 John 2:22-23 are discussed further down in details in this table.

  • God in the OT addresses people as "my son" and describes them as his begotten son.  Why does God use these terms with others in the time of Moses and Jesus and Abraham and other prophets, and now condemns these tittles in the Quran?  Why would God give room to misuse these terms like the Greek and Romans did?

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    The Doubting Thomas:
      
    Doubting Thomas said
    "My Lord and my God" to Jesus.  Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:

  • Moses was called "The God" (Exodus 7:1) of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh.  Jesus said he was greater than Moses.  Thomas, the Disciple, called Jesus "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).  Jesus denied to be GOD Almighty.  All Believers were called "GODS and Sons of GOD" (Psalm 82:6) in the Bible.  "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest.  Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator.  And Jesus being a "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty.  He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations and nothing more.
      

  • The Bible also says that Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek".  And who is Melchizedek?  According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.
      
  • The Bible called Jesus a slave (abd) of GOD throughout the Old Testament!
      
  • Jesus denied knowing when Judgment Day will come, and said I DON'T KNOW, ONLY GOD ALONE KNOWS!
  • For ample more details, visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
    www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non of Jesus' Miracles were unique)
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

      

    Father and Son Definitions:

    Definition of Key Terms (*) (a discussion between me and a Christian):

    1-  What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible?  How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below)  How does the Bible really define it?

    2-  What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible? 

    3-  Jesus had to match Melchizedek in Miracles and Power, according to the New Testament.  See this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.  Jesus' Miracles and Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he needed to be in according to Melchizedek.  He had to be in according to Melchizedek as the Bible specifically says.  See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20 [2].

      

    Who is Melchizedek?

    According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20) [2].  The Bible literally says that.  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.

  • Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.
      

  • Also again, see this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.
      

  • 4-  Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus Yes it does (*)

  • John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority
    (same Greek word for satan's rule (*) [2] [3])."
      

  • Detailed discussion about Jesus' Will (*) with ample verses.
      

  • In Islam, there are three "Worlds" or Realms:

  • (a)-  GOD Almighty, who is not seen by anyone or anything, nor is like unto anyone or anything.

    (b)-  The World of Command, which is the invisible world of the Beings that were made by the Word and the Spirit.

    (c)-  The World of Creation, the flush and blood, dust and water physical world and Universes (plural).

    Also visit: Is the Noble Quran a Creator or Creation?

      
      
    "Father" and "Son" in Islam and the Bible:

    Christians often quote the following verses to prove that Islam is the Anti-Christ:

    1 John 2
    22  Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    23  No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

      

    5-  What does the Glorious Quran say about the Father and Son titles:

  • The Quran is against the exaggerated and inflated meanings of the words, which ultimately the polytheistic religion of trinity was born out of.
      

  • Allah Almighty Said: "And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour(The Noble Quran, 21:26)"
      

  • So people did call each others Son and Daughter of GOD. But in all reality, they are no more than Servants of GOD raised to honor.
      

  • Here are some Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON": 

  • Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى): See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.
      
  • In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty.
      
  • FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا).  We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8 "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7 Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.
      
  • So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:
      
    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.
      
    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!
      
    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).
      
  • So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:
    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.
      
  • Also, BEGET = CHOSE.
      
  • King James Bible Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
      
  • Allah Almighty used اصطفاك اصطفيتك يصطفي اصطفى اصطفينا to mean to Choose a Servant in Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 in the Glorious Quran.
      
  • So clearly Islam is in harmony with GOD Almighty being our:

    -  Guardian
    -  Friend
    -  Protector
    -  And the One who Chose us.
      
  • And we definitely believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
      
  • One last important point:  Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus ever called "from the Seed of GOD" or "the Seed of GOD".  We do have "Jesus is from the seed of David" (Psalm 132:10-11, Romans 1:3)But never from GOD!
      
  • GOD has no seed according to both the Bible and the Quran.
      
  • Therefore, the claim that Islam is the Anti-Christ is false.
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    So, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22 No it isn't.  Here are some Quran and Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON" in more details:

    (a)-  Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى):

  • See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.  In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the following point.   

  • (b)-  FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا):

    We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8
    "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7
    Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23
    And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

    So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

    So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.

    Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup)

      
    (c)-  BEGET = CHOSE:

    Regarding the following verse, and many others like it:

    King James Bible Psalm 2:7
    I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

    [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

    ‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

    [003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

    ‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

    [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

    ‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

    [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

    ‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

    [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

    ‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

    [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

    ‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

    [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

    ‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

    [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

    ‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

    Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

    1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

    2-  Wali - Guardian.

    In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

    [005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

    Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup).

      

    The Logical Fallacy and Corruption of 1 John 2:22:

    (d)-  Let's thoroughly look at the logical fallacy of this verse and its corruption:

    1-  " Who is the liar"??  Or should the text say who is the one who disbelieves?

  • The text clearly suggests that the book was written by a mere individual, whose emotions caused him to make a logical fallacy in the text, hence he is not a genuine Messenger of GOD.
     

  • Furthermore, we don't see this statement anywhere else throughout the Bible!  For such a serious statement to be truly from GOD Almighty, we would expect it to at the very least exist in any or all of the four gospels.  But it exists in none, and not even in Paul's writings either.  It only exists once in this late epistle.
     

  • Furthermore, the Bibles commentary regarding 1 John book say:

    "1 John does not tell us who its author is.  The earliest identification of him comes from the church fathers..."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1904)

    "The letter is difficult to date with precision...."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)

    For book bibliography, visit: www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm

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    2-  Also keep in mind that the 1 John book contains forgeries.  For example:

  • 1 John 5:7  "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."  This verse was proven to be a forgery, and was removed from all of the modern Bible translations.

    Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/1john5_7.htm

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    6-  Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2] [3].  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

               
           (Click to play videos)

           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

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  • Title: Re: Islam and Muslims in the Bible...
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on April 17, 2013, 12:42:39 pm
    As'salamu Alaikum dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam,

    Here are more links for research:

    http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/7965.html
    http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/7759.html
    http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/7999.html
    http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/3390.html

    I will insha'Allah post verses and quotes from Jewish sources regaring Islam and Muslims.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Islam and Muslims in the Bible...
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 01, 2013, 04:13:06 pm
    As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

    I just added the following link to the main post above:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/being_like_the_teacher.pdf

    This is an 11-page must read article!  Muslimeen, Silm, Shlam, Shlama (in Aramaic, the "a" at the end is the definite article that is equivalent to the alif and lam "al"), Mashloome, Mushlimana, Mishalmana, Mishlam, Witness in Arabic and Aramaic, and Prostration in Arabic and Aramaic are thoroughly discussed in it.

    Regards,
    Osama Abdallah

      

      

      

    Topic 1621 Backup:

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1621.msg6431.html#msg6431:

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    Title: Does the NT refute the Prophethood of Muhammad?
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on June 11, 2014, 09:26:55 pm
    As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

    This is a continuation of the previous discussions, where the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was thoroughly proven in the Bible's Old and New Testaments.  But some Christians use the New Testament verses below to try to disprove the Prophethood of Muhammad.  Before we read them, I would like to ask the reader to visit the following links that thoroughly prove Prophet Muhammad and Islam in the Bible:

    www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/dajjal.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

    Now to the verses.  Many Christians use the following verses to convince themselves that Prophet Muhammad is not "the Prophet" that the New Testament predicted.  You see, the New Testament made predictions about the still-to-come three persons:

    1-  Elijah.
    2-  The Messiah.
    3-  The Prophet.

    This is a fact and not an opinion that the people stated regarding these men.  This is clearly demonstrated from the NT's passages which were given in the links above.  The Christians claim that
    Jesus is BOTH the Prophet and the Messiah in the New Testament.  And they use the following verses to prove this claims.  But as we will clearly see, their claims are empty. 

    Please visit: What parts of the Bible and the Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth?  And Why? (http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm) 

    Let us now look at their verses from the Bible:



    Jesus Christ is a Prophet:

    Matthew 21:11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+21%3A11%2C+Mark+6%3A15%2C+John+9%3A17&version=NIV)
    The crowds answered, This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.

    Mark 6:15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+21%3A11%2C+Mark+6%3A15%2C+John+9%3A17&version=NIV)
    Others said, He is Elijah. And still others claimed, He is a prophet, like one of the prophets of long ago.

    John 9:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+21%3A11%2C+Mark+6%3A15%2C+John+9%3A17&version=NIV)
    Then they turned again to the blind man, What have you to say about him? It was your eyes he opened. The man replied, He is a prophet.

    No Muslim denies that Prophet Isa (Jesus), peace be upon him, is both the Messiah and a Prophet of GOD Almighty.  But these verses do not refute this:

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm:

     
    1-  The expected Christ and the expected Prophet:

    Again, in John 1:19-21 John was asked if he were the Messiah, Elijah, and then "The Prophet": John 1:21.  In John 7:40-44, Jesus was supposed to come from David's line, while the Prophet was NOT.  He was a foreigner.  So the awaited Messiah and the awaited "the Prophet" were clearly TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS, who are strangers to each others, and are not from the same bloodline.

    Let us look at the text of verses of John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44 in details to see the two different persons to come: the Messiah (Christ) and the Prophet:

      

    John 1:19-21
    John the Baptist Tells People About Jesus
    19 Here is the truth
    John told [testimony John gave; witness of John; 1:6] when the leaders [Jewish leadership; L Jews; C John often uses the term Jews to refer to the religious leaders in opposition to Jesus, rather than to the Jewish people generally] in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites [C the religious authorities; priests oversaw temple worship; Levites were members of the tribe of Levi who assisted them; 1 Chr. 23:2432] to ask him, Who are you?

    20 John spoke freely [confessed] and did not refuse to answer [deny it]. He said, I am not the Christ [Messiah].
    21
    So they asked him, Then who are you? Are you Elijah? [C Elijah, an OT prophet, was expected to come back before the Messiah; 1 Kin. 172 Kin. 2; Mal. 4:56]

    He answered, No, I am not.

    Are you the Prophet? [C the Prophet like Moses predicted in Deut. 18:1519] they asked.
    He answered,
    No.

      
    John 7:40-44
    The People Argue About Jesus
    40 When the people heard Jesus words, some of them said,
    This man really is the Prophet [1:21; C the prophet like Moses of Deut. 18:1518].
    41
    Others said, He is the Christ [Messiah]. Still others said, The Christ [Messiah] will not come from Galilee.

    42 The Scripture says that the
    Christ [Messiah] will come from Davids family [offspring; L seed; 2 Sam. 7:1216; Ps. 89:34; Is. 9:7; 55:3] and from Bethlehem, the town [village] where David lived [Mic. 5:2].
    43 So the people did not agree with each other [L there was a division in the crowd] about Jesus.
    44 Some of them wanted to arrest [seize] him, but no one was able to touch [L lay a hand on] him.

    Again, here are two captured images of John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44.  Click on the images to expand:
      
        
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    For a thorough proof that Islam is the Divine Truth, and trinity is a man-made falsehood, please visit:

  • What is the best way to convert a non-Muslim to Islam?
  • This website's main sections.
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    2-  Jesus will return as an Arab, not as an Israeli (or Israelite):

    1. Did you know that the Bible declares in Matthew 24:25-27 that Jesus will return as an Arab?
        
      Matthew 24:25-27
      25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
      26 So if anyone tells you, There he is, out in the wilderness, do not go out; or, Here he is, in the inner rooms, do not believe it.
      27 For as lightning that comes
      from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
        
      The Bible, throughout its books, has thoroughly defined the "East" to be the Arabs: [1] [2] [3].
        
    2. Not only that, but the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls also predicted the coming of Prophet Ahmed from the east.  Ahmed is Prophet Muhammad's prophetic name.
        
    3. Prophet Muhammad said that Jesus Christ will return from Damascus.
        
    4. So why won't Jesus Christ return as a Jew from Israel?  See the Islamic Prophecies about the ONE-EYED dajjal (anti-Christ).




    Was Jesus THE PROPHET to come?

    Furthermore, some bring the following verses:

    John 6:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6%3A14&version=NIV)
    After the people saw the sign Jesus performed, they began to say, Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world.

    Here some of the Jews have mistaken Jesus for being the foretold Prophet in their Scriptures.  As we've clearly seen in John 1:19-21, John 7:40-44 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm) verse in the table above, there three distinct individuals yet to come:

    1-  Elijah.
    2-  The Messiah.
    3-  The Prophet.

    So some people thinking that Jesus is the Prophet isn't sufficient enough.  Otherwise, we'll also have to also take their opinions about Jesus Christ being:

    1-  A fraud.
    2-  A liar.
    3-  A blasphemer.
    4-  A charlatan.

    Which some, if not many, in the crowds also gave throughout the New Testament.  These are also the reasons why they wanted to crucify him.  But GOD Almighty saved him according to both the Glorious Quran and the Bible (http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm).  Yes, according to the Bible as well in both the Old and New Testaments.

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:

     
    9- Then, I'd prove to them that Muhammad and the Religion of Islam were foretold in the Old Scriptures.
    10- Important Note:  Islam declares that the Lord Jesus the Messiah (Al-Sayyed Isa Al-Maseeh in Arabic) was neither crucified nor killed.  The points below are to further demonstrate that even the Bible's accounts do not agree that Jesus Christ died.

    Then, I'd prove to them that the crucifixion never happened, and Jesus never died on the cross even according to the Bible Itself, even according to Isaiah 53 itself.  Also, see how Psalm 91 (satan and Jesus had a detailed conversation about this one in the NT), and Psalm 116, 117 and 118 also declare that Christ will never get crucified.

  • Jesus Christ, never got crucified, nor was he ever killed.  The Noble Quran declares this. Also, many passages with ample evidence from the Bible's Old and New Testaments, and also many more outside the Bible, clearly prove that:
      
    1. Jesus never died.
        
    2. He rested for 3 days in the cave, which was his so-called "tomb", which was above the ground and was not a grave, nor a coffin.  It was an open cave, and he rested on the floor in it.  He was healed and massaged with medicine.  And ultimately, he un-wound his winding sheets, and exited the cave in his original physical body alive.  This is how he "ROSE" from the so-called "dead".  He never actually died.  He's always been physically alive and receiving massaging, and medical treatment, during those three days, according to the New Testament's accounts itself.  The problem with the Bible is that it LOOSELY uses words and terms such as God, Son, Rise from the Dead, Death, etc...  The following debate explains all of this in great details from the Bible, and proves that Jesus never died:

    Was Jesus Christ Crucified?
      

    At hour 1:00:00 - 1:07:55, Dr. Zakir Naik really sealed
    this debate and destroyed Christianity!
      
    This is yet another wonderful 3-hour debate and video by
    Dr. Zakir Naik where he thoroughly demonstrated from
    the Bible's New Testament
    that Jesus Christ was never
    crucified, nor did he ever rise from the dead.  This 3-hour
    debate was between Dr. Zakir Naik and Pastor Rukni.
      
      
    Here is my shortened version videoDr. Naik provided many more verses than the following ones.  But the following verses and points were from my shortened version video.  See also this text-debate between me and a Christian brother on my blog.  You're welcomed to join in.

    According to the NT's accounts themselves (Luke 24:1-8, Mark 15:40-47, Mark 16:1-8, John 19:38-42, John 20:1-29), Jesus Christ was NEVER buried underground.  He was placed in a rich man's tomb (a cave like a bear's or mountain lion's cave) for three days above the ground, laying on the floor there. 
      

    See also this text-debate between me and a Christian brother on my
    blog.  You're welcomed to join in.

      
    He received medicine and massaging from Mary Magdalene and others during this time.  He then "rose up from the dead" and left the tomb (cave).

    1- Notice in Luke 24:1, the women came to the tomb with medicine and found Jesus gone.  If he was already dead, they would have no reason to bring this to dead Jesus.  But Jesus was alive and was receiving medical treatment.

    2- Also, notice in John 20:15, Mary Magdalene thought Jesus was a gardener, after he healed and rose back up.

    3- And in John 20:17, Jesus was still in pain, he told Mary Magdalene "touch me not!".

    4- And in John 20:19-29, Jesus showed his original body to the disciples, and they checked it.

    Jesus Christ:
      

  • Never actually died. He has always been alive in the tomb receiving medical treatment.
     
  • He was never buried underground, or in a coffin. He was laid on the floor, alive.
  • Dr. Zakir Naik provided many more verses during his 3-hour debate.  Again, the above points were taken from my shortened version video.  And again, see also this text-debate between me and a Christian on my blog.  You're welcomed to join in.
      
      

  • I also added a new video "Rose from the Dead" is an old Semitic idiom even before Christianity (7 minutes long).  I used video clips, proverbs and verses that thoroughly demonstrated how the term was commonly used for people who survived fatal injuries or accidents, or survived very dangerous situations and close calls.  Also, I proved that the Bible also uses this term metaphorically.  Did you know for example that in the following verse, Isaac was said to have risen from the dead:

    Hebrews 11:19
     19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death
    .

    Yet, Isaac wasn't physically dead.  Similarly, we also find in all of the world's civilizations, terms such as "A cat has 9 lives" and others.  This also metaphorically refers to the person "coming back to life", or "rising from the dead" many times due to his luck.

    Another brief video that demonstrates from the Bible's Old and New Testaments that Jesus Christ never got crucified.

  • 11- Then, I'd concentrate on the Oneness of GOD Almighty and stress it out real good to them, because it is the only mean for Salvation -- is to believe in GOD Almighty as the One True Living Undivided GOD and King.





    What about what Stephen said in Acts 7?

    First of all, Stephen is not even a Prophet.  So his writings are not Divine Revelations.  And as we'll clearly see below, he's not even clear on this subject himself.

    Let us look at the entire short chapter of Acts 7 from the Bible's New Testament.  This is one of Paul's letters that he mailed.  Christians like to call them "books":

    Acts 7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+7&version=NIV)
    Stephens Speech to the Sanhedrin  (Notice how these are NOT EVEN Paul's words)
    1 Then the high priest asked Stephen, Are these charges true?
    2 To this he replied: Brothers and fathers, listen to me! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham while he was still in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Harran.
    3 Leave your country and your people, God said, and go to the land I will show you.[a]
    4 So he left the land of the Chaldeans and settled in Harran. After the death of his father, God sent him to this land where you are now living.
    5 He gave him no inheritance here, not even enough ground to set his foot on. But God promised him that he and his descendants after him would possess the land, even though at that time Abraham had no child.
    6 God spoke to him in this way: For four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated.
    7 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, God said, and afterward they will come out of that country and worship me in this place.[b ]
    8 Then he gave Abraham the covenant of circumcision. And Abraham became the father of Isaac and circumcised him eight days after his birth. Later Isaac became the father of Jacob, and Jacob became the father of the twelve patriarchs.
    9 Because the patriarchs were jealous of Joseph, they sold him as a slave into Egypt. But God was with him
    10 and rescued him from all his troubles. He gave Joseph wisdom and enabled him to gain the goodwill of Pharaoh king of Egypt. So Pharaoh made him ruler over Egypt and all his palace.
    11 Then a famine struck all Egypt and Canaan, bringing great suffering, and our ancestors could not find food.
    12 When Jacob heard that there was grain in Egypt, he sent our forefathers on their first visit.
    13 On their second visit, Joseph told his brothers who he was, and Pharaoh learned about Josephs family.
    14 After this, Joseph sent for his father Jacob and his whole family, seventy-five in all.
    15 Then Jacob went down to Egypt, where he and our ancestors died.
    16 Their bodies were brought back to Shechem and placed in the tomb that Abraham had bought from the sons of Hamor at Shechem for a certain sum of money.
    17 As the time drew near for God to fulfill his promise to Abraham, the number of our people in Egypt had greatly increased.
    18 Then a new king, to whom Joseph meant nothing, came to power in Egypt.[c]
    19 He dealt treacherously with our people and oppressed our ancestors by forcing them to throw out their newborn babies so that they would die.
    20 At that time Moses was born, and he was no ordinary child.[d] For three months he was cared for by his family.
    21 When he was placed outside, Pharaohs daughter took him and brought him up as her own son.
    22 Moses was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians and was powerful in speech and action.
    23 When Moses was forty years old, he decided to visit his own people, the Israelites.
    24 He saw one of them being mistreated by an Egyptian, so he went to his defense and avenged him by killing the Egyptian.
    25 Moses thought that his own people would realize that God was using him to rescue them, but they did not.
    26 The next day Moses came upon two Israelites who were fighting. He tried to reconcile them by saying, Men, you are brothers; why do you want to hurt each other?
    27 But the man who was mistreating the other pushed Moses aside and said, Who made you ruler and judge over us?
    28 Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian yesterday?[e]
    29 When Moses heard this, he fled to Midian, where he settled as a foreigner and had two sons.
    30 After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the desert near Mount Sinai.
    31 When he saw this, he was amazed at the sight. As he went over to get a closer look, he heard the Lord say:
    32 I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.[f] Moses trembled with fear and did not dare to look.
    33 Then the Lord said to him, Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.
    34 I have indeed seen the oppression of my people in Egypt. I have heard their groaning and have come down to set them free. Now come, I will send you back to Egypt.[g]
    35 This is the same Moses they had rejected with the words, Who made you ruler and judge? He was sent to be their ruler and deliverer by God himself, through the angel who appeared to him in the bush.

    36 He led them out of Egypt and performed wonders and signs in Egypt, at the Red Sea and for forty years in the wilderness.
    37 This is the Moses who told the Israelites, God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your own people.[h]
    38 He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us.
    39 But our ancestors refused to obey him. Instead, they rejected him and in their hearts turned back to Egypt.
    40 They told Aaron, Make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who led us out of Egyptwe dont know what has happened to him![i ]
    41 That was the time they made an idol in the form of a calf. They brought sacrifices to it and reveled in what their own hands had made.
    42 But God turned away from them and gave them over to the worship of the sun, moon and stars. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets:

    Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
        forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?

    43
    You have taken up the tabernacle of Molek
        and the star of your god Rephan,
        the idols you made to worship.
    Therefore I will send you into exile[j] beyond Babylon.

    44 Our ancestors had the tabernacle of the covenant law with them in the wilderness. It had been made as God directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen.

    45 After receiving the tabernacle, our ancestors under Joshua brought it with them when they took the land from the nations God drove out before them. It remained in the land until the time of David,
    46 who enjoyed Gods favor and asked that he might provide a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.[k]
    47 But it was Solomon who built a house for him.
    48 However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:

    49
    Heaven is my throne,
        and the earth is my footstool.
    What kind of house will you build for me?
    says the Lord.
        Or where will my resting place be?

    50
    Has not my hand made all these things?[l]

    51 You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!
    52 Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute?
    They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him
    53 you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.

    The Stoning of Stephen

    54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him.
    55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 Look, he said, I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.
    57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him,
    58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.
    59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
    60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, Lord, do not hold this sin against them. When he had said this, he fell asleep.

    Footnotes:
    a. Acts 7:3 Gen. 12:1
    b. Acts 7:7 Gen. 15:13,14
    c. Acts 7:18 Exodus 1:8
    d. Acts 7:20 Or was fair in the sight of God
    e. Acts 7:28 Exodus 2:14
    f. Acts 7:32 Exodus 3:6
    g. Acts 7:34 Exodus 3:5,7,8,10
    h. Acts 7:37 Deut. 18:15
    i. Acts 7:40 Exodus 32:1
    j. Acts 7:43 Amos 5:25-27 (see Septuagint)
    k. Acts 7:46 Some early manuscripts the house of Jacob
    l. Acts 7:50 Isaiah 66:1,2


    There are a few points to notice here:

    1-  Stephen is not a Prophet.  He is only a believer.

    2-  Stephen speaking about the Lord Jesus Christ doesn't conflict with Islam.  We do also believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    3-  Who is the Prophet to come like unto Moses, according to Stephen?

    (a)-  Joshua?
    (b)-  David?
    (c)-  Solomon?
    (d)-  Jesus?

    4-  He did call Jesus "The Righteous One".  So did he mean him?  Did Stephen explicitly say that Jesus is both the Messiah and the Prophet?  He did not.  But even if he did, this still doesn't mean a thing, because Jesus didn't come:

    (a)-  From the lands of Kedar and Teman.  Kedar and Tema were two of Ishmael's sons.

    (b)-  From the "East".  The Bible defines East here to mean Arabia.

    (c)-  From the "Desert".  The Bible also defines "Desert" to be Arabia.

    (d)-  To destroy all idols and demolish them.  Jesus never demolished a single idol, while Islam had WARS against idols and idol worship in Arabia.

    (e)-  The people of Arabia will rejoice from his coming and Divine Message.

    (f)-  To establish the House of GOD Almighty in Arabia, and call it the "Path of Holiness".  Prophet Muhammad did exactly that.

    (g)-  For ample more points and proofs about Prophet Muhammad in the Old Testament and the New Testament, please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/dajjal.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm


    So whether Stephen meant to say that Jesus is both the Messiah and the Prophet, or not, it doesn't matter, because throughout the Bible, the Prophecy for the Arabian Prophet, - whose Prophetic Name was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, - is far greater than any shallow opinion and corrupt writings (http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links) [2 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm)] in the Bible.

    Also visit:  What parts of the Bible and the Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth?  And Why? (http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm)


    Let us now look at Prophet Muhammad's Prophetic Name in both the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Glorious Quran:

     
    Prophet "AHMAD" is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls:


    (Click to play film)

    Prophet Muhammad's Name, "Ahmed", was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it was mentioned precisely in the Glorious Quran for the Prophet to be foretold by this very Name, Ahmed:

    "And when Jesus the Son of Mary said, O children of Israel, verily I am the Apostle of God sent unto you, confirming the law which was delivered before me, and bringing good tidings of an Apostle who shall come after me, and whose name shall be Ahmed. And when he produced unto them evident miracles, they said, this is manifest sorcery.  (The Noble Quran, 61:6)"

    Prophet Jesus here has shed the light on the old Prophecy of the coming Prophet, Ahmed.  So Ahmed was prophesied before Christ and also during Christ's lifetime.

    This film was also taken from this Youtube Channel.  As the author of the video said, look at the Aramaic alphabets in the Wikipedia link given, below.  See how Hhet and Tav are written.  They look very similar.  See also how the Dalet and Khaf are written, and how they're similar.  Now create your own "AHMAD" and "ETMAK" from these alphabets.  Now, compare the two words, and see how similar they look.  Compare the two words with the DSS by ignoring the vowels and accent ending.  Which word look similar?  Now read the whole chapter of Isaiah 42.  And even if the DSS was not tampered with, was it written wrongly as the letters are very similar?  The error could have gone back even before the DSS was written.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_alphabet
    http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/28_chart.html

    Manuscript
    http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qum-35.htm
    http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah#42:3

      

    The "Light of the Gentiles" Prophet:

    Also on the title of the Arabian Prophet being the "Light of the Gentiles", we see that this title was given to him numerous times in both the Bible's Scriptures and the Dead Sea Scrolls.  And this shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone, since truly the Gentiles of the Old Scriptures are the Muslims after Islam came to restore GOD Almighty's Original Faith.  So the Light that the Gentiles were going to receive was Islam; GOD Almighty's One and Original and Final and True Faith to all of mankind.

    The following image will shed more Truth on who the real Gentiles are, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).  They are all in the Muslim lands today, and they are the Muslims:
      

    (Click to enlarge)

    You can watch my debate for detailed demonstration and proofs:
      

    Does Muhammad exist in the Bible?


    Anthony Rogers

    VS


    Osama Abdallah

      

    Also, Christians in the Glorious Quran: 

    1. The Christians are the least disliked by GOD Almighty from among the disbelievers: Noble Verse 3:55.  Out of all disbelievers, Muslims will find the Christians to be full of love and mercy: 5:82.
        
    2.  فوق in 3:55, below in the article, means to put them above, or to make them better in status.
        
    3. Allah Almighty in Noble Verse 30:1-5 promised to make the Romans be victorious, because they were Christians.  But they still believe in conjecture: 4:157, 53:28, and they are among the misguided and those who went astray 1:7.  They're also crooked in their beliefs: 3:99, 7:45.
        
    4. Many of the Christians doubt trinity; a word that doesn't exist in the Bible!  Those Christians are closest to Islam, as long as they don't speak ill of Islam.  The same with the Jews who don't speak ill of the Prophets that came after such as Jesus and Muhammad: 3:113-114.

      For ample more proofs and Noble Verses, read the article below, and also please visit:

      www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_followers_prophecy.htm
      www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
      www.answering-christianity.com/blessed_jesus.htm


    For ample more details and proofs, please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/dajjal.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

    Also visit:  What parts of the Bible and the Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth?  And Why? (http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm)


    And last and not least, for Islam's and the Glorious Quran's Overwhelming Scientific Miracles (http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links), please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

    I hope this helps, Insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

      

      

      

    Topic 1457 Backup:

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog//index.php/topic,1457.msg5549.html#msg5549:

    Answering Christianity Research Center

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    Title: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 26, 2014, 08:07:36 pm
    IMPORTANT UPDATE:  New zip file of scanned processed images was posted at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm.

    Other discussions about this Miracle:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1146.msg3885.html#msg3885
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1163.msg4026/topicseen.html#msg4026
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1116.msg3760.html#msg3760
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,951.msg3035.html#msg3035
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1358.msg5169.html#msg5169
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1460.msg5582.html#msg5582
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1457.msg5964.html#msg5964



    As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

    All Praise and Glory and Thanks are due to Allah Almighty alone.  I just wanted to let you all know that I just finished what I call "Phase II" in the project of translating "The Great Miracle" book, which is Mr. Adnan Al Refaei's 653-page book (http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links) [2 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm)] that demonstrated the Number 19 Miracle in the Glorious Quran, using hundreds of amazing examples.

    I've been extremely busy with pushing myself and finishing phase II.  All of the Noble Verses are separated and the images are set for Phase III.  Phase III will be where I will be officially producing scanned images of page printouts of the Noble Verses that are in the book and demonstrate with my own hand writing the accurate counts of every single letter in every Noble Word in every Noble Verse.  Phase II was to separate the Noble Verses and space them out, to allow for me to do a manual count and summation for every single Noble Letter, and Noble Word and Noble Verse.  There were literally thousands of Noble Verses in hundreds of images to work on.  So it was tedious and very time consuming.  But all Praise and Glory and Thanks are due to Allah Almighty alone, I was able to do it.

    Very soon Insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing), you'll start seeing regular website updates of new "Cases" (this is what I will call them), where the Number 19 Miracle will be demonstrated for specific cases and topics, and to show how the Noble Verses that make up the "Case" will all add up accurately and perfectly.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 30, 2014, 04:33:17 pm
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters,

    Just wanted to make sure that you read the post above.  It quickly got burried with a lot of new posts that came after it.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: mclinkin94 on February 08, 2014, 10:44:47 am
    May Allah bless you for your work brother!!

    Your work is extremely powerful and your website is very popular on search engines! You've done great work, may Allah give you the strength to continue this fantastic work!
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 19, 2014, 01:15:00 am
    May Allah bless you for your work brother!!

    Your work is extremely powerful and your website is very popular on search engines! You've done great work, may Allah give you the strength to continue this fantastic work!
     
     

    Thank you very much dear brother Mclinkin94.  May Allah Almighty greatly bless you and your family, and always keep you all in His Right Path of Islam.  Ameen.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 19, 2014, 01:23:30 am
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters in Islam,

    First of all, all Thanks and Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty alone.  I thought I should give you progress and some samples on how far I am done, and what type of images I've been producing.  As to the book, I am done with processing 1/3 to 1/2 of it.  It's a very time consuming and tedious work as the following images will certainly show:

    The original images from the book:

    www.answering-christianity.com/page_144_surah_74_verses_30-37_original.png
    www.answering-christianity.com/page_144_basmala_is_quran_key.png
    www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png

    My processed images of the original image above:

    www.answering-christianity.com/page_144_surah_74_verses_30-37_page_1.png
    www.answering-christianity.com/page_144_surah_74_verses_30-37_page_2.png
    www.answering-christianity.com/page_144_surah_74_verses_30-37_page_3.png

    There will be thousands of these PNG files of processed images, Insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).  And like I said, I am already done with processing 1/3 to 1/2 of all of them, with Allah Almighty's Mercy, Grace and Will.  Now of course, I will put them in HTML files and elaborate on them for the user.  I won't let the images just self-explain themselves.  I will elaborate in text in the HTML files that I will produce, which will explain every Case and Miracle that a group of Noble Verses make up.  There will be 100s of cases made up of thousands of Noble Verses, Insha'Allah.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: ThatMuslimGuy on February 19, 2014, 07:02:25 am
    AsalamuAlaikum,

    Jazak Allah Khairan!

    Keep it up!
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 19, 2014, 10:33:35 am
    AsalamuAlaikum,

    Jazak Allah Khairan!

    Keep it up!
     
     

    Wa Alaikum As'salam,

    Thank you dear brother, ThatMuslimGuy.  May Allah Almighty bless you, akhi.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: ali achinxo on February 19, 2014, 01:16:48 pm
    Asalamu Alaykum

    Thanks akhi for your work. Just wanted to ask are these the miracles where the Numerological (abjad) calculations are used to find the value of the letter?
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 19, 2014, 02:47:38 pm
    Asalamu Alaykum

    Thanks akhi for your work. Just wanted to ask are these the miracles where the Numerological (abjad) calculations are used to find the value of the letter?
     
     

    Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

    This one here is a new one that is derived entirely from the Glorious Quran.  Brother Adnan Al Refaei took the Arabic alphabets, and sorted them by their occurences in the Holy Quran in a descending order (from the highest to the lowest), and he gave them their numerical values based on this.  So the Numerical Table that he put together came entirely from the Glorious Quran.  So the alif letter, for example, was assigned the numerical value 1, because it has the highest occurences in the Holy Quran.

    The abjad (gammatrical) table that you refer to is a non-Arabic one, and it is not based on the Holy Quran.  He didn't use it, and he said that he has no regard for it, because it is not from the Holy Quran.  And to his suprise, he discovered that the Noble Verses and Statements in the Holy Quran that are balanced with each others in meanings and correlations, they all also have a total numerical value that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder.  He found this consistency by the thousands of Noble Verses throughout the Holy Quran, and he put them in his book.  The links above that I gave demonstrate the Noble Verses that speak about the #19 Miracle, and they of course also have the total numerical value that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainer, because they are what he calls a COMPLETE CASE (a set of Noble Verses that when put together, and are all a complete case in meanings and correlation, then their numerical value also
    MUST AND WILL be a multiple of number 19 without any remainder).

    Not only that, but the example that I gave above also shows that the value of the Noble Verses also matches the multiplication of the BASMALA's (the key to the Holy Quran) number of letters and their total numerical values: 19 X 115 = 2185.

    Another awesome example that he gave was Prophet Noah's CASE (complete Noble Verses).  Not only they're made up of 950 Noble letters, and Allah Almighty Said that Noah lived 950 years among his people, but the total numerical value of the Noble Verses is also a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder. 

    Man, this is truly a discovered Law and Miracle in the Holy Quran!  It is no joke.


    Jews and Christians:

    You know, GOD Almighty spoke in the Bible's Old Testament about the Prophet of Arabia will be given THE BOOK!  This "THE BOOK" is none other than the Holy Quran that you so viciously attack.  For ample Biblical verses, please visit this section and also watch my detailed debate about Prophet Muhammad in the Bible at:

    www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 19, 2014, 11:53:58 pm
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters,

    I have updated the Main Table image above, and added the English numbers next to their Arabic ones.  This will allow for the non-Arabic readers to still be able to follow along with the examples that I posted above by:

    1-  Seeing the numerical values that I give to each letter.
    2-  Comparing how the letter looks in both the example and the main table, and to see its numerical value in the main table.

    The Main Table image is: www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png.  The examples that I gave are in the post above.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 24, 2014, 11:47:10 pm
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters,

    I have added some very important images and elaborations to the image: www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png.  This will Insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing) make it abundantly clear about how when the Alif Vowel is considered an actual letter with a numerical value, and not just a vowel without any numerical value.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 06, 2014, 02:53:45 am
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters in Islam,

    I have uploaded a new zip file that contains the scanned processed images up to page 155.  The book is 653 pages.  There are 150 scanned images in the zip file.  However, looking at the volume of images in the directory, I think I am between 1/3 to 1/2 way done.  Anyway, here is the zip file:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/scans_up_to_page_155.zip

    This is all of course in Arabic.  My numbers are all in English.  Insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing), once I upload all of the scanned images of all of the processed Noble Verses from the book, then I'll write an equivalent to a translation for the entire book all in English, and I will explain all of the cases in great details all in English, Insha'Allah.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: Dawud on March 09, 2014, 03:37:15 am
    Really amazing stuff, i have analysed those 150 photos. some are really great there, but i dont understand many of them, i need explanation.

    this for example is very easy to understand and logical
    (http://oi58.tinypic.com/ic048m.jpg)

    in those two verses Moses and 70 people are at appointment with God, totally 71 people

    and we see 71 words describing that situation, beautiful, just beautiful programming of the text.

    but i dont understand this for example
    (http://oi62.tinypic.com/2yobl9k.jpg)

    وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّبِعُوا سَبِيلَنَا وَلْنَحْمِلْ خَطَايَاكُمْ وَمَا هُمْ بِحَامِلِينَ مِنْ خَطَايَاهُمْ مِنْ شَيْءٍ ۖ إِنَّهُمْ لَكَاذِبُونَِ

    Waqala allatheena kafaroo lillatheena amanoo ittabiAAoo sabeelana walnahmil khatayakum wama hum bihamileena min khatayahum min shayin innahum lakathiboona    

    what is special with counting to the middle?
    can you explain?
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: Dawud on March 09, 2014, 04:37:31 pm
    Salam Alaikom

    i hope you can answer me this two questions concerning chapter Nuh, and 950 letters in it.

    (http://oi62.tinypic.com/5o847.jpg)

    i think that it would be totally amazing if there is 950 letters in chapter Nuh, while chapter itself says that Nuh lived 950 years, that is really mindblowing stuff, nummerical programming of the text on high level.
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 10, 2014, 12:37:22 am
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud,

    To answer you question in the image that you posted "Why was this letter not counted?", it's because the HAMZA is a vowel in this Noble Word.  It is not a letter that is sitting on a KURSI (base) or is attached to an ALIF as in the red-circled one that I colored in the very image that you posted next to it.  In the red example, the ALIF here is a long one, as in Adam in Arabic.  As you know, in Arabic, there are long Alifs and short ones.  Both count as one.

    Even in the English word Adam, we clearly see in the pronunciation that the first "a" is a long one, while the second "a" between the "d" and "m" is a short one.  English doesn't recognize in its writing the long and short a's.  But Arabic and other languages do. 

    I am adding all of the rules that I am discovering from brother Adnan to his table at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png.  I am still building this.  It's a mess, but you'll be able to read through it, Insha'Allah.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: Dawud on March 10, 2014, 02:57:45 am
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud,

    To answer you question in the image that you posted "Why was this letter not counted?", it's because the HAMZA is a vowel in this Noble Word.  It is not a letter that is sitting on a KURSI (base) or is attached to an ALIF as in the red-circled one that I colored in the very image that you posted next to it.  In the red example, the ALIF here is a long one, as in Adam in Arabic.  As you know, in Arabic, there are long Alifs and short ones.  Both count as one.

    Even in the English word Adam, we clearly see in the pronunciation that the first "a" is a long one, while the second "a" between the "d" and "m" is a short one.  English doesn't recognize in its writing the long and short a's.  But Arabic and other languages do. 

    I am adding all of the rules that I am discovering from brother Adnan to his table at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png.  I am still building this.  It's a mess, but you'll be able to read through it, Insha'Allah.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
     
     

    thanks for the answers, those findings are amazing, i look forward to see explanation for those examples. With these stuff we actually prove scientifically divnity of Quran.

    i have another question, as i can see those findings are made in uthmanic quran, writing style during prophet muhammed, while many qurans are written with standard arabic style, with extra Elifs

    standard arabic
    مَالِكِ
    4 letters here

    uthmanic style
    مَـٰلِكِ
    3 letters here

    When was quran written with standard arabic?
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 10, 2014, 11:21:26 am
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud,

    To answer you question in the image that you posted "Why was this letter not counted?", it's because the HAMZA is a vowel in this Noble Word.  It is not a letter that is sitting on a KURSI (base) or is attached to an ALIF as in the red-circled one that I colored in the very image that you posted next to it.  In the red example, the ALIF here is a long one, as in Adam in Arabic.  As you know, in Arabic, there are long Alifs and short ones.  Both count as one.

    Even in the English word Adam, we clearly see in the pronunciation that the first "a" is a long one, while the second "a" between the "d" and "m" is a short one.  English doesn't recognize in its writing the long and short a's.  But Arabic and other languages do. 

    I am adding all of the rules that I am discovering from brother Adnan to his table at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png.  I am still building this.  It's a mess, but you'll be able to read through it, Insha'Allah.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
     
     

    thanks for the answers, those findings are amazing, i look forward to see explanation for those examples. With these stuff we actually prove scientifically divnity of Quran.

    i have another question, as i can see those findings are made in uthmanic quran, writing style during prophet muhammed, while many qurans are written with standard arabic style, with extra Elifs

    standard arabic
    مَالِكِ
    4 letters here

    uthmanic style
    مَـٰلِكِ
    3 letters here

    When was quran written with standard arabic?
     
     

    As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud,

    Everything that is not from the Uthmanic Quran belongs to the garbage, or be burnt as Caliph Uthman did burn all of the false qurans.  And by the way, Caliph Uthman's Quran Scholars Committee didn't write the Holy Quran.  The Holy Quran was already FULLY written and compiled during Prophet Muhammad's time.  This can be very very clearly seen in the very complex and consistent and Numerically Miraculous text of the Holy Quran.  Angel Gabriel wrote the Holy Quran with Prophet Muhammad!  This is even mentioned in the very Holy Quran Itself:

    [020:114]  High above all is God, the King, the Truth! Be not in haste with the Quran before its revelation to thee is completed, but say, "O my Lord! advance me in knowledge."

    ‏20:114 فتعالى الله الملك الحق ولاتعجل بالقران من قبل ان يقضى اليك وحيه وقل رب زدني علما

    [075:016]  Move not thy tongue (i.e., do not O Muhammad recite It before you master Its recitation that is taught to you by Gabriel) concerning the (Quran) to make haste therewith.


    ‏75:16 لاتحرك به لسانك لتعجل به

    Angel Gabriel taught Prophet Muhammad the Holy Quran in GREAT DETAILS, and Angel Gabriel COMPILED the Holy Quran with Prophet Muhammad and ordered it.  And Angel Gabriel wrote the Holy Quran with Prophet Muhammad.  They wrote It with complete accuracy to the very vowel even.  Why you may ask?  Because the Holy Quran that we have is a copy from the Preserved Tablet in Heaven:

    [085:022]  (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved!

    ‏85:22 في لوح محفوظ


    Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/quran.htm

    Caliph Uthman's Quran Scholars Committee duplicated the Holy Quran into several copies.  And Allah Almighty Made sure that the Letters and Vowels of the Holy Quran be perfectly preserved in their very complex form.  The Almighty Promised and Took it upon Himself to make sure that the Holy Quran is PERFECTLY PRESERVED:

    [075:017] 
    Surely, upon US rests its collection and its recital.

    ‏75:17 ان علينا جمعه وقرانه


    They didn't originate the Holy Quran's writings.  Our history is filled with conspiracies against Islam and the Quran and the Prophet and his Wives and Companions.  Please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: Dawud on March 11, 2014, 04:21:56 am
    i think that nummerical miracles in the quran are more powerful than scientific verses in the quran since verses are interpretated while nummerical miracles is empirical counting, that is not interpretation but actul facts wich everybody can count and test and verify.

    i will definitly used those examples in dawah inshallah.

     
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    And Angel Gabriel wrote the Holy Quran with Prophet Muhammad.
     

    maybe angel gabriel but not Muhammed, muhammed was illitarate he could not write his own name.
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 11, 2014, 10:38:14 am
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    maybe angel gabriel but not Muhammed, muhammed was illitarate he could not write his own name.
     

    As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud,

    I don't believe that Prophet Muhammad was illiterate either.  This again goes back to our history having false information and conspiracies (http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm).  I believe the Prophet was literate, at least after the Holy Quran began to be revealed to him.  Ummi does also mean BEING COMPREHENSIVE or GRAND, and not just illiterate.  The Holy Quran was called UMM AL KITAB (the GRAND BOOK; the ULTIMATE BOOK).  Ummi is derived from Umm.  And Umm also means mother.

    I don't believe the Prophet didn't know how to read and write when the Holy Quran began to be revealed to him.  I believe he knew well how to read and write, or at least he was taught so by Angel Gabriel when he started receiving the Holy Quran's Revelations, and learning how to document Its very Complex Text.

    It takes far more than an illiterate person to truly Master the Holy Quran in Text and Recitation, and to perfectly preserve It.

    Take care akhi,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: Dawud on March 11, 2014, 01:17:39 pm
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    maybe angel gabriel but not Muhammed, muhammed was illitarate he could not write his own name.
     

    As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud,

    I don't believe that Prophet Muhammad was illiterate either.  This again goes back to our history having false information and conspiracies (http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm).  I believe the Prophet was literate, at least after the Holy Quran began to be revealed to him.  Ummi does also mean BEING COMPREHENSIVE or GRAND, and not just illiterate.  The Holy Quran was called UMM AL KITAB (the GRAND BOOK; the ULTIMATE BOOK).  Ummi is derived from Umm.  And Umm also means mother.

    I don't believe the Prophet didn't know how to read and write when the Holy Quran began to be revealed to him.  I believe he knew well how to read and write, or at least he was taught so by Angel Gabriel when he started receiving the Holy Quran's Revelations, and learning how to document Its very Complex Text.

    It takes far more than an illiterate person to truly Master the Holy Quran in Text and Recitation, and to perfectly preserve It.

    Take care akhi,
    Osama Abdallah
     
     



    عن زيد بن ثابت قال: كنت أكتب الوحي لرسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، وكان إذا نزل عليه أخذته برحاء شديدة، وعرق عرقا شديدا مثل الجمان، ثم سري عنه ، فكنت أدخل عليه بقطعة الكتف أو كسرة، فأكتب وهو يملي علي، فما أفرغ حتى تكاد رجلي تنكسر من ثقل القرآن، وحتى أقول: لا أمشي على رجلي أبدا، فإذا فرغت قال: اقرأه ، فأقرؤه، فإن كان فيه سقط أقامه، ثم أخرج به إلى الناس

    Zaid bin Thabit, one of the chief scribes relates: "I used to write down the revelation for the Holy Prophet, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. When the revelation came to him he felt intense heat and drops of perspiration used to roll down his body like pearls. When this state was over I used to fetch a shoulder bone or a piece of something else. He used to go on dictating and I used to write it down. When I finished writing the sheer weight of transcription gave me the feeling that my leg would break and I would not be able to walk anymore. Anyhow when I finished writing, he would say, 'Read!' and I would read it back to him. If there was an omission or error he used to correct it and then let it be brought before the people."[4]

    [4] Mu'jam Al-Tabarani Al-Awst, Hadith 1913. Dar al-Haramain, Cairo, 1415 AH
    Authenticated by Al-Haithmi in Majma Al-Zawaid 8/257, Hadith 13938


    if prophet knew how to read he would read it by himself not to ask his scribers to read for him. by the way quran is more miracolous if prophet could not read nor write

    brother when can we expect first explanations in english about those pohots you posted in zip.
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 11, 2014, 01:37:20 pm
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    brother when can we expect first explanations in english about those pohots you posted in zip.
     

    Luckily walhamdulillah (all thanks to Allah Almighty), I just finished my work project (I am a senior IT consultant).  This was a 9-month project.  Hopefully, it'll be another few weeks till I get assigned to a new project.  I am sitting at home.  And I am focusing all of my energy and mind into finishing the rest of the 1/2 or 2/3 of the images.  Once I get all of them finished and scanned, then I'll start on the English article (it'll be as big as a book), Insha'Allah.

    All I can say is that I am currently working hard on it :).  May Allah Almighty give me the power to finish it in a timely manner.

    Take care akhi,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: Dawud on March 11, 2014, 05:31:44 pm
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    Luckily walhamdulillah (all thanks to Allah Almighty), I just finished my work project (I am a senior IT consultant).  This was a 9-month project.  Hopefully, it'll be another few weeks till I get assigned to a new project.  I am sitting at home.  And I am focusing all of my energy and mind into finishing the rest of the 1/2 or 2/3 of the images.  Once I get all of them finished and scanned, then I'll start on the English article (it'll be as big as a book), Insha'Allah.

    All I can say is that I am currently working hard on it :).  May Allah Almighty give me the power to finish it in a timely manner.
     

    may Allah give you paradise for that

    dont forget you can earn Allah's mercy and paradise only by doing this , beacuse i will definitly use that material in my dawah, and dont forget that good deeds copies from other to you. so whoever post one of your translated numerical miracles and present them to others that person will get good deed and that good deed will copy to you automatically on your account without reducing anything from that person. so imagine someone use your material and give dawah with it, good deeds copy to you while you maybe sleep and dream, good deeds copies to you from other people. same it is with evil deeds.
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 12, 2014, 11:17:57 am
    Thank you, dear brother Dawud.  May Allah Almighty bless you and your family, akhi.  I will Insha'Allah keep everyone posted on the progress.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 17, 2014, 06:41:50 am
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters in Islam,

    I have just updated the Main Table at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png.  Man, the more I learn about the Holy Quran's Text, the more and more stunning It becomes to me!  Look at the LONG ALIFS in the table, and the delicate positionings of the HAMZAs, and how the Hamza's value would change depending on Its position.

    A new batch of scanned images is coming up, Insha'Allah.  I did emphasize in red those different positions in the Noble Verses that they occur in in the new upcoming batch, and in also the previous one.

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 18, 2014, 02:08:12 am
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters in Islam,

    I have uploaded a new zip file and posted details on the progress at:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
    Title: Re: Breakthrough in finishing phase 2 in translating "The Great Miracle" book
    Post by: Dawud on March 19, 2014, 06:29:38 pm
    As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters in Islam,

    I have uploaded a new zip file and posted details on the progress at:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm

    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah
     
     

    i hope we will get good explanations for those photos from you in coming weeks.
    Title: The Great Miracle of Number 19 is thoroughly demonstrated...
    Post by: QuranSearchCom on March 28, 2014, 02:58:31 am
    As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

    I have updated the http://www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm article with the following important points:

     

      

    Note:  A brief QA sessions [2].  This is not a deviant pro Rashad Khalifa website!  The Miracle is based on 100% of the Glorious Quran, and the article below is based on the work of brother, who is also a Civil Engineer, Adnan Al Refaei المهندس عدنان الرفاعي .  Also, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

      

      

    The Great Miracle of Number 19 is thoroughly demonstrated:

    Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

    [074:030]  Over it are Nineteen عليها تسعة عشر.
      
    [074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY 
    وماجعلنا عدتهم الا  as (1) a trial for Unbelievers,- (2) in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, (3) and the Believers may increase in Faith,- (4) and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, (5) and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.
      
    [074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,
    [074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,
    [074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-
    [074:035]  This is but one of the MIGHTY ONES (Miracles)
    انها لاحدى الكبر.
    [074:036] A warning to mankind,-
    [074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-

    The scanned images that demonstrate the STUNNING Numerical Miracles of these Noble Verses, based on the newly discovered Numerical Law from Surat Nuh in the Glorious Quran, and 1000s others are listed below.

      

    All Praise and Thanks and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone.  First of all, Allah Almighty said in the Holy Quran that the Number 19 Miracle is "One of the Mighty Ones" in Noble Verses 74:30-37.  Click this sub-section in this article for the text and details about the Noble Verses.  In the scanned images below, you will not only see that Noble Verses 74:30-37 are in perfect match with the Number 19 Miracle (2185 is their total numerical value and it is equal to 19 X 115) [1], but they're also in perfect match with the Glorious Quran's "Key Noble Verse", the Basmala, in both its total Numerical value, 115, and total number of Letters, which are 19 Letters.  See the scanned images, again, with 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article, listed below:

    The following images contain my calculations, which thoroughly verify the claim about Noble Verses 74:30-37.  Their total numerical value is exactly 2185, which is equal to 19 X 115:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0132.jpg
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  • Sections:
    -  More elaboration and proofs in the next section.
    -  Also, more images for other examples below.
      
  • The Quranic Law, which is thoroughly defined in the Glorious Quran, that differentiates between a "written letter" (also known as a "drawn letter") and a letter that is only a vowel, and defines the numerical value (see table) of the written letter, this Quranic Law is thoroughly laid out in Noble Chapter 71.  The Chapter is called Surat Nuh.  Nuh is Prophet Noah, peace be upon him.  Allah Almighty used this Noble Surah to determine what is a drawn letter and what is a vowel in all Noble Verses throughout the Glorious Quran.  Only the written letters have numerical values.  Vowels don't have numerical values.  See the following images.

    Also, Allah Almighty Said in this Noble Surah, Surah 71, that Prophet Nuh (Noah) lived for 950 years among his people.  Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah is exactly written in 950 Letters!  Once we counted the drawn letters only, we found them to be exactly 950 letters.  You can see this in the scanned images that I produced with my own hand-written verification for each Noble Letter:

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    The following examples are stunningly amazing:

  • Prophet Nuh's story with his people in 24 Noble Verses, which are 11:25-49.  These Noble Verses are in Surat Hud, which is Chapter 11 in the Holy Quran.  Except for one verse inside them that speaks directly to Prophet Muhammad, all other verses speak about Noah and his people.  What is STUNNINGLY MIRACULOUS about these Noble Verses is that the first set from Noble Verses 11:25 to 34, they have the total numerical value of 4,177.  Then Noble Verse 11:35, which is about Prophet Muhammad, has the total numerical value of 327.  Then Noble Verses 11:36-49 have the total numerical value of 6,159.  Therefore, 4177 + 6159 = 10,336, which is equal to 19 X 544.  In other words, the Noble Verses that only speak about Prophet Noah and his people have a total numerical value that is divisible by 19 without any remainder:
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  • Furthermore on Noble Verse 11:35, it starts with: "Or do they say, "Has he forged it"?" ام يقولون افتراه:
      

      
    When we take all of the Noble Verses (10:38, 11:13, 11:35, 32:3, 46:8) throughout the Glorious Quran that start with this exact phrase
    ام يقولون افتراه, we also find that their total numerical value is divisible by 19 without any remainder.  2470 = 19 X 130.  The following images give all of the details.  You can also see my hand-count in these images:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0277.jpg  (start from last verse in this image, the one that has the count of 478)

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    Click to enlarge:

      
    Verification from my website, www.QuranSearch.com.  Search for text:
    ام يقولون افتراه:
      

      
    Here is the link for the
    search result page.
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    19 X 19:

  • The NOORANIYYAH Letters, or the Noorani Letters of the Holy Quran.  These are the opening Letters of several of the Noble Surahs (Chapters) that have hidden Divine meanings in them.  All Praise and Glory and Thanks are due to Allah Almighty Alone!  Now adding all of them together, using the main table's values, gave us a total that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder.  Not only that, but their total number is 361, which is equal to 19 X 19:
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    Does the Quran say the earth is sitting on a back of a whale?  The nun (noon) whale and Prophet Jonah in the Quran.
      

  • Adding all of the numerical values of the Prophets' and Messengers' names that were mentioned in the Holy Quran also all add up to a number that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder:
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    Taking this standard for determining which is an actual written/drawn letter and which is only a vowel from all of the Glorious Quran's characters, and applying it to the entire Quran, we found literally THOUSANDS OF STUNNING EXAMPLES AND PATTERNS [1] and Miracles.  And building a numerical table that gives numerical values to the Drawn Letters from most occurring to the least (value 1 given to the most occurring drawn letter, value 2 given to the second most occurring one, and so on....), and applying these numerical values to calculate the numerical value of the Glorious Quran's Drawn Letters and Words, we found thousands of stunning numerical results [1].  And the Number 19 Miracle and the BASMALA and Noble Verses 74:30-37 give you an amazing demonstration of this Divine Miracle [1] [2] [3].

    The following points will clearly explain and demonstrate this Divine Miracle:

      
    1-  Allah Almighty has designed the Holy Quran's Text to be written in a certain complex form, and with great consistency throughout the Holy Quran's 114 Chapters, which are made of 6236 Noble Verses.  The following table shows each Noble Quran Letter's numerical value:

    www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png

    Also, the following zip file contains thousands of the examples, from the thousands others that I have not yet been able to get to due to my busy schedule:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip

      

    Number of Years = Number of Letters:

    There is nothing random about the Glorious Quran's Words and their Letters.  As it is thoroughly demonstrated in the scanned images, when we for example see that Noble Surah (Chapter) Nuh (Noah) is written in exactly 950 Noble Letters [1], and Allah Almighty Said that Prophet Nuh lived among his people for 950 years in the same Noble Surah, then there is nothing random about this one.

    Not only that, but there are many other Numerical patterns discovered in the Glorious Quran that are linked to the number of years.  For example, Allah Almighty's two Divine Promises to the people of Israel's destruction were both combined written in 75 Words, and each Promise was written in 75 letters.  And the two sets of Noble Verses for the two Promises are after each others in the same Noble Surah 17:4-8.  So the first set of Noble Verses that speak about the first Promise, which already took place, were written in 75 Letters, and the second set of Noble Verses that speak about the future destruction were written also in 75 Letters:

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    Brother Adnan raised the following questions:

  • Could these Noble Verses be referring to the second destruction of Israel in 75 years after its establishment?
  • And if so, then would they be 75 years after 1948 or 1967?
  • Only Allah Almighty Alone Knows.  We are currently living some of ISLAM'S STUNNING PROPHECIES about Israel, the zionist machine, and their evil that is being spread throughout earth as exactly prophesied in the Glorious Quran:

    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/dajjal.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/666.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/911_is_the_biggest_lie.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/nuclear_doom_prophecy.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/walid_shoebat_islam_satan_rebuttal.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/quran.htm

    See also Daniel Prophecies about Israel and its map [2].  Daniel 11:45: "(the evil one) will establish his settlement between Mount Zion (Jerusalem) and the Mediterranean sea.  Then he will be destroyed, and no one will be able to save him."  That is precisely Israel today!

      

    Similarly, when we look into the number 19 Miracle, which Allah Almighty called it "One of the  Mighty Ones" in Noble Verses 74:30-37, and we find out that It is indeed a MIGHTY MIRACLE, then there is nothing random about it either.  What brother Adnan Al Refaei المهندس عدنان الرفاعي did was he took the Arabic drawn alphabets, that are not vowels, and calculated how many times each letter occurred in the Glorious Quran, since the Glorious Quran's Letters are Miraculous, and there is nothing random about them as we've seen in the few examples above, and also in many more like them [1].  See images below.  Brother Adnan then built a numerical table where the highest occurring letter would have the value 1, and the second highest would carry the value 2, and so on.  He then started calculating the numerical values of the Noble Letters in the Glorious Quran and came up with these mighty discoveries.  Again, the table's link is:

    www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png

    This table in the link has more elaboration in it than the one brother, who also used to be an Engineer, Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي gave in his book on page 140, which is page 136 in the PDF file (If you see gibberish, then install these required fonts & instructionMy Sony Vaio laptop didn't require them.  My other older computers did.  The fonts on my Sony Vaio also seem a bit better than these ones.  So please only install them if you see gibberish).

    And again, the following zip file contains thousands of the examples, from the thousands others that I have not yet been able to get to due to my busy schedule:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip

      

      

    The Number 19 Miracle:

    This Noble Miracle is not about bringing random numerical combinations' values and show that they're equal to other certain combinations.  Some tried to belittle this Noble Divine Miracle by bringing random combinations and said that they matched certain phrases in the Glorious Quran.  For example:

    "America is Great" "Allah is Great" Therefore, America is Divine?
    "Satan is evil" "Jesus is evil" Therefore, Jesus is evil?
    "Satan is good" "Muhammad is good" Therefore, satan is good?
    "Jesus" "Satanic" Therefore, Jesus is satanic?
    "Abraham" "GOD is One" Therefore, Abraham is GOD?
    "Prophets" "Prostitutes" Therefore, all Prophets were prostitutes?
    "Mary" "Liar" Therefore, Mary was a liar?
    "Moses" "Satanist" Therefore, Moses was a satanist?
    "GOD is Love" "Satan loves you" Therefore, GOD is satan?
    "GOD is Light" "Satan's darkness" Therefore, satan and GOD are both the same Light?
  • These are just hypothetical examples.  The values may not match.  But you get the point.  You could come up with any phrase that numerically has the same value as another phrase and claim that they have the same meaning.
      
  • But this is not how the Miracle works!  The way it works, with already 1,000s of confirmed examples [2 (fonts)], is as follows:

    The Noble Verses and Statements (Parts of Noble Verses that are specific to a specific point.  Some Noble Verses speak about multiple things), in the Holy Quran, that are correlating to each others, and are ones that collectively make up an entire case, - a full picture, - will have a total numerical value that is divisible by the number 19 without any remainder.  Thousands of examples [1] [2] already demonstrated this.  And Noble Verses 74:30-37, which are the heart of the Number 19 Miracle, and in them Allah Almighty Said about this Noble Miracle that it is "One of the Greatest Ones" (74:35), are thoroughly demonstrated in the following images and tables. 
      
    Again, the following images contain my calculations, which thoroughly verify the claim about Noble Verses 74:30-37.  Their total numerical value is exactly
    2185, which is equal to 19 X 115:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0132.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0133.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0134.jpg

  • More images for other examples below.
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    In the following Noble Verses 74:30-37, notice the following important points:

    1. Allah Almighty mentioned, in Noble Verses 74:30-37, that He based the Glorious Quran on the Number 19 Miracle for the following reasons:
        
      (a)-  As a trial to the disbelievers.
      (b)-  To help strengthen the Believers' faith more.
      (c)-  To assure the disbelievers that Islam is Divine.
      (d)-  Because it is one of the Greatest Signs and Miracles!
        

    2. And once again, GOD Almighty made the number 19 be the Noble Quran's Main Numerical Miracle.  He called it: "One of the Greatest Ones" in Chapter 74:35.

      

    Let's all read Noble Verses 74:30-37, and look at its scanned images:

    Read the Noble Verses for yourself to clearly see the points that I mentioned above:

    [074:030]  Over it are Nineteen عليها تسعة عشر.
      
    [074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY 
    وماجعلنا عدتهم الا  as (1) a trial for Unbelievers,- (2) in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, (3) and the Believers may increase in Faith,- (4) and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, (5) and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.
      
    [074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,
    [074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,
    [074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-
    [074:035]  This is but one of the MIGHTY ONES (Miracles)
    انها لاحدى الكبر.
    [074:036] A warning to mankind,-
    [074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-

      

    The scanned images  are below the following table.  Let us see the Noble Verses in English and Arabic:

    Noble Verse(s) 74:30-74:37
    Yusuf Ali:

    [074:030] Over it are Nineteen  عليها تسعة عشر.

    [074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY وماجعلنا عدتهم الا as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this ?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.

    [074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,

    [074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,

    [074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-

    [074:035] This is but one of the MIGHTY (portents) MIGHTY ONES (Miracles) انها لاحدى الكبر.

    [074:036] A warning to mankind,-

    [074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-

    Arabic (from right to left):

    Original Quran-Arabic:








    Limited Arabic for internet browsers:

    74:30
     عليها تسعة عشر

    74:31 وماجعلنا اصحاب النار الا ملائكة وماجعلنا عدتهم الا فتنة للذين كفروا ليستيقن الذين اوتوا الكتاب ويزداد الذين امنوا ايمانا ولايرتاب الذين اوتوا الكتاب والمؤمنون وليقول الذين في قلوبهم مرض والكافرون ماذا اراد الله بهذا مثلا كذلك يضل الله من يشاء ويهدي من يشاء ومايعلم جنود ربك الا هو وماهي الا ذكرى للبشر

    74:32 كلا والقمر

    74:33 والليل اذ ادبر

    74:34 والصبح اذا اسفر

    74:35 انها لاحدى الكبر

    74:36 نذيرا للبشر

    74:37 لمن شاء منكم ان يتقدم او يتاخر

      

    2-  The following examples are stunningly amazing:

  • The NOORANIYYAH Letters, or the Noorani Letters of the Holy Quran.  These are the opening Letters of several of the Noble Surahs (Chapters) that have hidden Divine meanings in them.  All Praise and Glory and Thanks are due to Allah Almighty Alone!  Now adding all of them together, using the main table's values, gave us a total that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder.  Not only that, but their total number is 361, which is equal to 19 X 19:
  • www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0138.jpg

    Does the Quran say the earth is sitting on a back of a whale?  The nun (noon) whale and Prophet Jonah in the Quran.
      

  • Adding all of the numerical values of the Prophets' and Messengers' names that were mentioned in the Holy Quran also all add up to a number that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder:
  • www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0236.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0237.jpg

      

  • Prophet Nuh's story with his people in 24 Noble Verses, which are 11:25-49.  These Noble Verses are in Surat Hud, which is Chapter 11 in the Holy Quran.  Except for one verse inside them that speaks directly to Prophet Muhammad, all other verses speak about Noah and his people.  What is STUNNINGLY MIRACULOUS about these Noble Verses is that the first set from Noble Verses 11:25 to 34, they have the total numerical value of 4,177.  Then Noble Verse 11:35, which is about Prophet Muhammad, has the total numerical value of 327.  Then Noble Verses 11:36-49 have the total numerical value of 6,159.  Therefore, 4177 + 6159 = 10,336, which is equal to 19 X 544.  In other words, the Noble Verses that only speak about Prophet Noah and his people have a total numerical value that is divisible by 19 without any remainder:
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    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0270.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0271.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0272.jpg
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    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0274.jpg
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  • Furthermore on Noble Verse 11:35, it starts with: "Or do they say, "Has he forged it"?" ام يقولون افتراه:
      

      
    When we take all of the Noble Verses (10:38, 11:13, 11:35, 32:3, 46:8) throughout the Glorious Quran that start with this exact phrase
    ام يقولون افتراه, we also find that their total numerical value is divisible by 19 without any remainder.  2470 = 19 X 130.  The following images give all of the details.  You can also see my hand-count in these images:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0277.jpg  (start from last verse in this image, the one that has the count of 478)

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0278.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0279.jpg
      
      
    Click to enlarge:

      
    Verification from my website, www.QuranSearch.com.  Search for text:
    ام يقولون افتراه:
      

      
    Here is the link for the
    search result page.
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    There are many other examples that Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي gave in his book (Again, if you see gibberish, then install these required fonts & instructionMy Sony Vaio laptop didn't require them.  My other older computers did.  The fonts on my Sony Vaio also seem a bit better than these ones.  So please only install them if you see gibberish).

    Furthermore, the total numerical value of Noble Verses 74:30-37 themselves, which are the heart of the Number 19 Miracle, has a stunning Miracle in it.  The value of these Noble Verses matches the multiplication of the BASMALA's number of letters (19 Letters) and their total numerical values (115): 19 X 115 = 2185.  The Basmala, which full text in Arabic means "In the Name of Allah The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful" is the Key to the Glorious Quran.  It is recited first before reading the Holy Quran, and it is also obligatory upon every Muslim to start with the Basmala before starting any task:

    The following links are the original images from the PDF book of Noble Verses 74:30-37 and the Basmala.  Also, the link to the PDF book is in the following as well:

    www.answering-christianity.com/page_144_surah_74_verses_30-37_original.png
    www.answering-christianity.com/page_144_basmala_is_quran_key.png
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip

    The following images contain my calculations, which thoroughly verify the claim about Noble Verses 74:30-37.  Their total numerical value is exactly 2185, which is equal to 19 X 115:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0132.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0133.jpg
    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0134.jpg

    Again, the Holy Quran's Law that Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي discovered is as follows:

    (a)-  The Noble Verses and Statements (Parts of Noble Verses that are specific to a specific point.  Some Noble Verses speak about multiple things) of the Holy Quran that are correlating to each others, and are ones that collectively make up an entire case, - a full picture, - will have a total numerical value that is divisible by the number 19 without any remainder.

    (b)-  You can also watch The Great Miracle, Part 2, Episode 10, by the Engineer Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي.  Translated to English by Osama Abdallah (me).

    Episodes of Program in Video: [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]...
    Episodes of Program in Audio: [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]...

    Allah Almighty Said that the Number 19 Sign is "One of the Greatest Miracles" (74:35) in the Noble Quran. This Miracle is thoroughly examined throughout this TV Program.

    You can download this video, and all of the videos that are available on my website at: www.answering-christianity.com/free_downloads.htm.

      

    3-  Again, to clearly and thoroughly see the Number 19 Divine Miracle of the Holy Quran, you can see the 100s of images that I scanned and processed from Mr. Adnan Al Refaei [1] المهندس عدنان الرفاعي book, which is 653 pages long at:

    www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip

    I only processed 1/3 of the book so far.  But the examples that I provided give thorough demonstration and ample examples that demonstrate this Great Divine Miracle from the Glorious Quran.

      

    4-  Furthermore, Allah Almighty Promised and took it upon Himself to Perfectly Preserve the Holy Quran in both:

    (a)-  Text documentation and compilation.
    (b)-  Reading and Noble Words and Letters pronunciations.

    This is because the Holy Quran that we have here on earth is a copy of the One that is in the "Preserved Divine Tablet".  To see the ample Noble Verses that clearly prove this, please visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/quran.htm

      

    The following is from: www.answering-christianity.com/quran.htm

    Also visit these posts with very important images and points:

      
    1-  Thorough studies on the Quran's Compilation by the "Islamic Awareness" website:

  • http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/
  • http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/
  • http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/
  • http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/
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    2-  The Sana Manuscripts lie:

  • Islamic Awareness' research.
  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/mosque_of_sanaa.htm  (A very good response by brother Karim)
  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1542.msg6030.html#msg6030  Sana is 677.4 miles away from Mecca!
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    3-  The Divine Miracle of the Quran's Text and Compilation:

  • http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1457.msg5825.html#msg5825