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Day and night you hear them wailing about how ‘Wahhabis/Takfiris/Extemist Sunnis” etc. declare the Shias as polytheist Kafirs, although the Shia believe in the testimony of Islam (the truth is they merely utter it, in action they nulify it with endless heresies). Well, what about the Salafis? If merely uttering the Shahada alone makes one a Muslims, then verily the Salafis must be Muslims too, according to the common (flawed) Shia (flawed) understanding of Tawheed. But this sect has its own agenda and changes its attitude based on her desires, yesterday they called the likes of Sufyan Al-Thawri, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Ahmad, Hassan Al-Basri etc. as ‘Nawasib enemies of Ahl Al-Bayt and impure Kuffar and today the new Boogeyman (honestly, Salafis give Rafidhis very hard times, acedemical wise and …)

of the Shia and suddenly the Salafis are Kafirs+Zionists although the Salafis according to every source be it Muslim or non-Muslims, made and make up a large number of the Islamic movements from Morocco till Indonesia, heck the Salafis (with many young charismatic leaders) are in the Egyptian parliament and many Salafi movements (not all) had a big part in supporting the revolutions against the tyrants who ruled over them, so in a nutshell, these very same Salafis are among the Muslims and the Revolutions that the Iranian regime shamelessly ascribes to itsef (as we reported here).

Here the Takfir of the Ayadollar:


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A bit off topic but i heard that salafis are literalists which means they actually believe that allah literally has hands and feet because in the quran he uses such figurative language. Am i correct?

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Although I have some disagreements with hardcore salafis, I will NEVER, I repeat NEVER, go as far as to call them Kafirs, if we do that, we are no better than bin laden.
if some truly worship God, and only him, and the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is his messager, then he is a muslim, even if they could be misguided in some ways.
Misguided =/= Disbeliever
The ayatoallah should say something like "you are our brothers in the religion of God, but i have a few dissagreements with you such as...", these debates will lessen the gap between brothers and make us find the complete truth.
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Although I have some disagreements with hardcore salafis, I will NEVER, I repeat NEVER, go as far as to call them Kafirs, if we do that, we are no better than bin laden.
if some truly worship God, and only him, and the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is his messager, then he is a muslim, even if they could be misguided in some ways.
Misguided =/= Disbeliever
The ayatoallah should say something like "you are our brothers in the religion of God, but i have a few dissagreements with you such as...", these debates will lessen the gap between brothers and make us find the complete truth.
peace
I agree. Calling them kaafirs is way too far.

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A bit off topic but i heard that salafis are literalists which means they actually believe that allah literally has hands and feet because in the quran he uses such figurative language. Am i correct?

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

I keep hearing this exactly ridiculous argument by Shias, and now it had spilled over to Christians.  The argument goes like this:

The Salafies declare that Allah has literal hands and feet.  This is a limitation to Allah.  It is blasphemy!!

Ok, well let me now refute this stupid argument.  The following points will do the job, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing):

1-  Allah Almighty in the Glorious Quran spoke about His Hands and His Feet.

2-  Allah Almighty is THE LIGHT of all the Universe.

3-  Allah Almighty encompasses ALL, and He is infinite, and He has no beginning and no end.

The Glorious Quran declares these things.  So what of the Hands and Feet of Allah Almighty?  They are LITERALLY HANDS AND FEET OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT! 

1-  Are they flesh and blood hands and feet like the humans' hands and feet?  No.

2-  Are they flesh and blood hands and feet like the frogs' hands and feet?  No.

3-  Are they flesh and blood hands and feet like the elephants' hands and feet? No.

4-  Are they flesh and blood hands and feet like the cats' paws and claws?  No.

Ok, so what type of Hands and Feet are they?  THEY ARE ALLAH ALMIGHTY'S HANDS AND FEET.  They simply can't be explained.  Why is this too difficult?  But The Almighty, nonetheless, DOES HAVE HANDS AND FEET!  The Almighty Said it in the Glorious Quran, and I accept it.  That's it.  We can hardly explain anything in the World of the Unknown and the Invisible:

[017:085]  They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)"

The problem sometimes is that humans try to force their limited logic and explanations upon interpreting the Unknown World.  This is where ridiculous conflicts start building up.  You just don't try to explain the unknown with your limited world, limited brain and little logic.  It won't work.  Here is the best interpretation to the Unknown World:  We simply do not know!  How hard is that to say?

But to answer the question about does Allah Almighty have Hands and Feet?  Yes, He the Almighty does.  Are they flesh and blood and physical.  No.  But He does literally have Hands and Feet, because the Almighty Said so in the Glorious Quran.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah, dear brother.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah



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Bro Osama I think you are wrongfully accusing shias of this. I heard this from fellow Sunnis and have yet to see any hshias or non Muslims apart from Sam Shamoun talk about this.

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Bro Osama I think you are wrongfully accusing shias of this. I heard this from fellow Sunnis and have yet to see any hshias or non Muslims apart from Sam Shamoun talk about this.

Kamal Hydary, one of their renowned scholars on Al-kawthar TV channel, had a whole episode on this very topic.  He was trying to prove that we are heretical; that we believe in a limited Allah.  Very ridiculous stuff.  And by the way, Sunnis don't declare the shias to be infidels and idol worshipers over silly points like this.  Shias are idol worshipers to the Sunnis, because they seek the members of Ahlul Bayt IN PRAYER for:

1-  Protection.
2-  Help.
3-  Mercy.
4-  Forgiveness.


This is 100% blasphemy and is in direct and massive clash with the Glorious Quran, and with what real Islam teaches.  Not every loser who declares to be a monotheist is a monotheist.  Read what Allah Almighty Said regarding them:

[006:022]  That day, We will gather them all together and We will say to those who associate partners with Him, Now, where are all those beings you used to claim as partners (of Allah)?

[006:023]  Then, they will not have any recourse except to say, (We swear) by Allah, our Lord, we did not associate partners (with Allah).

[006:024]  Observe, how they will lie against themselves. And the false gods they invent now, shall all vanish.


I've gone through this in great details in my debate with a Shia here before at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2867.html#msg2867.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah