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Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« on: April 17, 2013, 01:36:13 PM »
Hello, Answering Christianity. I'm not quite sure who you guys are, but a big thanks for clarifying many issues and misconceptions about Islam. But I've noticed a major problem when I search Islam in general, many sites are Islamaphobic, the ones that come up. Wikiislam being a major one. I have a humble suggestion to put forward to you guys. And this is coming from a non-Muslim seriously interested in Islam, thinking about reverting (In'sha'Allaah, eh?).

I mean no offense when I say this, but the main reason Wikiislam is ranked so high, is because of the neat and professional, sleek look that they have for their site. They stay away from any propaganda, and stick to hard facts (opinions which are usually misinterpretations). It is the way they present themselves that allows them to be so easily searched. And I haven't really found a single site that can match them, though you guys do a great job, your site seems to be jumbled, with many English errors, and lets be honest, there is some propaganda. So here is my suggestion...

Create "WikiIslaam". Notice the two a's? And base it entirely off of theirs, match it exactly, but with rebuttals. Use only the opinions of the Ulema, the scholars, and cold hard facts. Information according to traditional Islaam, the Qur'an, authentic Sunnah and the Salaf, or even contemporary opinions, but make sure you do both. As well as correct "perceptions". Make sure the English is near perfect, that it looks clean and professional, presented very well.

I think you get the idea. Basically, they are so successful due to the same reason people believe the nonsense from Dawkins, Hitchens and their ilk. They "present" themselves in a clear, professional and clean-way. It's about the perception. And to be frank, as a non-Muslim who uses your site, a lot of the information is absolutely wonderful to have, but to be honest, many things are kind of a turn off, such as the propaganda, conspiracy theories, and the like. Just stick to Islaam, and the rebuttals.
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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2013, 09:03:38 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh dear brother Student of Knowledge (Ilm),

I first would like to welcome you to the forum.  I ask Allah Almighty that you find all of your answers and the Truth here to your best satisfaction.  Ameen.

Thank you for dear brother for your kind advice.  There is absolutely no offence my dear brother, and such wonderful advices could only be offensive to the people who are offensive themselves.  So no my dear brother, constructive advices and also criticisms are always welcomed.  I will insha'Allah work on a new templat for the website this weekend, and see to it, insha'Allah.

As to embracing Islam, I ask Allah Almighty to further open your heart to His Divine Truth, Islam, and to further Guide you and Bless you, akhi (brother).  Ameen.  Don't rush into embracing anything my dear brother, unless you are 100% ready for it.  But you seem to be a Muslim at heart.  To embrace Islam is very simple dear brother.  All you need to do is declare the following two statements, and you would officially become a Muslim:

"I bear witness, that there is no GOD but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His Servant and Messenger."

But again my dear brother.  Don't embrace anything unless you're 100% sure.  But if you know that you are 100% sure, then this is all that you need dear brother.  Please visit the following link to learn about the 5 Pillars of Islam: http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_to_islam.htm.

May Allah Almighty greatly bless you, akhi.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2013, 09:16:42 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Per brother 'Student of Ilm' request, I have purchased:

www.wikiislaam.com
www.wikiislaam.net

And I already own: www.wikislam.net.  I will insha'Allah work on building a wiki website.  It's been requested many times from me in the past.  Any brother or sister who knows anyone who could help in the technical part of it, then please forward him to me.  I will pay him/her for their work, insha'Allah.  It won't be for free.

May Allah Almighty bless you all!  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2013, 09:47:42 AM »

Peace

good new Bro Osama ......though huge efforts should be done....

I suggest:

1- the site should has the same simple look of the critical nonemuslim site of wikiislam... the over usage of colors,  big fonts ,links interuppting the topic,images  should be avoided .

2- After reading some of wikiislam ,some of the articles there seem to be of cooperative efforts of several persons... and that should be done on your site as well....

3- the titles of topics should be exactly the same design and order of the the critical nonemuslim site of wikiislam,with the difference that the content be a refutation explanation to the topics therin.
for example the antiislam site put the following links

Contradictions and Inconsistencies

    Flat Earth and the Qur'an
    The Geocentric Qur'an
    Dhul-Qarnayn and the Sun Controversy
    Embryology in the Qur'an
    Questions to Ask a Muslim
    Qur'anic Claim of Everything Created in Pairs
    Qur'an and the Big Bang

the design of the islamic site should be nearly the same

Flat or round Earth in the Qur'an?
    The Geocentric Qur'an
    Dhul-Qarnayn and the Sun Controversy
    Embryology in the Qur'an
   answering questions asked to Muslim
    Qur'anic Claim of Everything Created in Pairs
    Qur'an and the Big Bang


and let me repeat the precious advice of  the member "Student of Ilm"

Use only the opinions of the Ulema, the scholars, and cold hard facts. Information according to traditional Islaam, the Qur'an, authentic Sunnah and the Salaf, or even contemporary opinions, but make sure you do both. As well as correct "perceptions". Make sure the English is near perfect, that it looks clean and professional, presented very well.



thanx

salam


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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2013, 03:09:14 PM »
I absolutely agree with the OP. One of the main reasons i made this account was to alert brother Osama and the rest of us to websites like these. They look proffesional, factual, but they simply and cleverly misinterpret the Quran. Many people hear about the miracles of the Quran, then go on those websites and read the misinterpretations and think 'This is the wrong religion'. I am not too fused with regards to how many become muslims, i just want the truth to be relayed out to the people and then allow them to make their final decisions.

Brother Osama, if i can in any way be of use to you, please let me know. I have been studying the science of the Quran for a while, and will be going into medical school in October. If you require me to do any work for you in this respect and regard , please let me know and i will see if i have the ability to help.

Also brother Osama, i will try to recruit as many muslims to join this blog and this website. We need to have some sort of unity and organisation.
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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2013, 03:15:07 PM »
I absolutely agree with the OP. One of the main reasons i made this account was to alert brother Osama and the rest of us to websites like these. They look proffesional, factual, but they simply and cleverly misinterpret the Quran. Many people hear about the miracles of the Quran, then go on those websites and read the misinterpretations and think 'This is the wrong religion'. I am not too fused with regards to how many become muslims, i just want the truth to be relayed out to the people and then allow them to make their final decisions.

Brother Osama, if i can in any way be of use to you, please let me know. I have been studying the science of the Quran for a while, and will be going into medical school in October. If you require me to do any work for you in this respect and regard , please let me know and i will see if i have the ability to help.

Also brother Osama, i will try to recruit as many muslims to join this blog and this website. We need to have some sort of unity and organisation.

Something key here is that i absolutely agree with is that any website made with regards to the scientific contradictions needs to say "Flat earth?" so the users immediately know what you are addressing, and it looks like the other website.

Brother Osama, perhaps search engine optimization and the like can help us get higher ranked? We also need a lot of back links and so on and so forth.(Quality back links, genuine people quoting your website!).

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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2013, 04:00:55 PM »
I believe you should by links that also might be mistaken for your website, or even just misspelling of it, to prevent it from being relocated to a site  run my islamophobes. you should also purchase links that might be mistaken for promenet anti muslim sites.

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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2013, 06:46:50 PM »
Wow. I had no idea you would do so much. Thank you very much for taking my advice, I think a site like that is greatly needed. If you need me for help with English or research or anything like that at all. Please let me know.

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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2013, 08:50:44 PM »

Peace

good new Bro Osama ......though huge efforts should be done....

I suggest:

1- the site should has the same simple look of the critical nonemuslim site of wikiislam... the over usage of colors,  big fonts ,links interuppting the topic,images  should be avoided .

2- After reading some of wikiislam ,some of the articles there seem to be of cooperative efforts of several persons... and that should be done on your site as well....

3- the titles of topics should be exactly the same design and order of the the critical nonemuslim site of wikiislam,with the difference that the content be a refutation explanation to the topics therin.
for example the antiislam site put the following links

Contradictions and Inconsistencies

    Flat Earth and the Qur'an
    The Geocentric Qur'an
    Dhul-Qarnayn and the Sun Controversy
    Embryology in the Qur'an
    Questions to Ask a Muslim
    Qur'anic Claim of Everything Created in Pairs
    Qur'an and the Big Bang

the design of the islamic site should be nearly the same

Flat or round Earth in the Qur'an?
    The Geocentric Qur'an
    Dhul-Qarnayn and the Sun Controversy
    Embryology in the Qur'an
   answering questions asked to Muslim
    Qur'anic Claim of Everything Created in Pairs
    Qur'an and the Big Bang


and let me repeat the precious advice of  the member "Student of Ilm"

Use only the opinions of the Ulema, the scholars, and cold hard facts. Information according to traditional Islaam, the Qur'an, authentic Sunnah and the Salaf, or even contemporary opinions, but make sure you do both. As well as correct "perceptions". Make sure the English is near perfect, that it looks clean and professional, presented very well.



thanx

salam

I completely agree with Egyptian. One thing you guys could all do is arrange a time to meet on Skype or Paltalk, to discuss the building and organization of the website.

A few reccomendations...

1. Create teams. A research team, a developer team, and a current affairs team. Appointing a leader for each one. The first will deal with gathering the evidence for the rebuttals, taking notes and doing all of the research basically, and would consist mostly of those very well knowledged in Ilm. The developer team will be the ones who organize the findings, notes and the like of the research team and organize them into professional rebuttals, they will also have the best English language skills. The current affairs team would take care of offering a truly Islaamic viewpoint of the events that are mentioned in WikiIlsam.net, using evidence from the Qur'an, Sunnah and the Salaf, and not so black and white viewpoints about the topic itself, such as giving the influences of culture.

2. Weekly meetings on Skype or Paltalk between the main members, an online "Shura Council" over the matter. But in the spirit of Islaam, after all recommendations have been met, Osama AbdAllah would make the final call based on the advice given. This would also greatly strengthen the unity of those working on this project.

3. Within each article, if this really comes up, offer both the traditional view of the subject according to the Ulema, and the contemporary. An example would be the age of Aisha.

These are just reccomendations, but of course, it's up to you guys.

Osama, I just want to say this. I really can't thank you enough to doing this, but thank you.

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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2013, 05:59:31 AM »
Brilliant ideas everyone.

We definitely need a team. The other websites look like they contain a joint team effort. And you're right OP, perception is absolutely key.

We have the truth, the real information, we just need to get it out there more:)

If i could be of any use guys, please let me know.

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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2013, 12:08:23 AM »
Assalamu Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

I am a new member here and I must say that I joined after reading this thread on Google. It has bothered me for a long time that wikiislam.net has been operational since 2006 (!!!). I am glad that this initiative has been taken by AC. Is there any traction on this lately? Any update on the status of this project?

I can help. I am an experienced programmer and know how to create a Wikipedia-like wiki page. I can be your technical guy and I'll do it for free.
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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2013, 03:35:21 AM »
Just an example of how Wikis are created:



Although I have never created a wiki before, I was part of a team that created an internal wiki for my company. So I have a fair idea of the technologies involved in creating and hosting a wiki.

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2013, 03:42:47 AM »
Development of the website, testing, data collection and validation will require 3-6 months depending on the initial content to be hosted. Here are my estimates for the initial phase (accuracy: plus or minus 15 days):



I concur with Student of Ilm to have separate teams for this project. I would recommend having teams for technical and database sides. Ideally, database should have 8-12 members who will further be divided into primary and secondary teams. Both teams will take part in the initial R&D. Once this is done, the primary team will concentrate on content management and the secondary team will take up documentation and data validation.

The technical team should have no more than 5 members and should have people who have knowledge of development as well as testing. I will try to rope in a few of my mates who would be willing to work in this.

Also, I don't think we should limit our focus to just rebutting an Islamophobic site. We should create a site that will give the truth about Islam, show what Islam IS, not show what Islam IS NOT. My two cents  :)

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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2013, 01:01:00 PM »
Assalamu aleykum for all.I do not speak English,but few understand.I have 2 questions-
1Why so many articles on wikiislam(2700,and on this site only 1014 rebuttals?).whether another rebuttals?
2at what stage of the opening
of "anti-wikiislam"?

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Re: Deep Concern With Wikiislam
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2014, 12:00:07 AM »
AsalamuAlaikum,

It would be good if we could get this site created. The reward would be immense!

http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/

http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/list-of-errors-in-quran.html?view=sidebar