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Offline Siddiq

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Refuting Pastor Labib Mikhail
« on: May 08, 2013, 05:55:55 PM »
This Egyptian Coptic Christian gentleman runs a site named "theSpiritofislam.com".

As anyone can see, the name itself is a Missionary trap (not all Muslims have knowledge about the lies these Missionaries sprout in trying to make inroads to our religion).

Someone needs to refute this guy.

Also I want to state a point on Qur'an 2:106, abrogation never happened in the Quran.

What that verse meant (I was reading that verse with the previous verses over and over again), was that abrogation took place among the people of the Book, i.e those upon whom Allah had given revelations. Allah made them forget the Revelation or part of it (note, Allah never does Evil against men, Men having free will tend to move away from the blessings of Allah, and since Men forget their creator, so does the creator makes them forget even more so that they think that their evil way is right and that manifests in their heart.)

I read this site and my theory was 100% correct :  http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/quran/false_accusations/abrogation_claims_%28P1216%29.html

Also, I want someone to refute that Pastor Gentleman. He says lies like the following (in his Islam and terrorism page 2):

"When the prophet Muhammad began to call people in Mecca to Islam, he was weak.  He needed the help of the Jews and the Christians, so he praised them.  Here is what the Koran, the holy book of Islam says about Jews and Christians at that time:

Verily, those who believe [Muslims] and those who are Jews and Christians and Sabians whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord.  On them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.            (Surat Al-Baqarah 2:62)

In this verse the Koran puts Jews and Christians at the same level and privilege as Muslims.

There are many kind verses quoted in the Koran from this first and gracious phase of Islam.  Muslim Clerics used such verses to establish that Islam is a religion of freedom and peace.  However, these verses were abrogated lately, which means they were cancelled."

First, there were no abrogation in the Qur'an,
second this gentleman (supposed to be a Doctor, maybe Doctor of Divinity, I don't know) don't understand that what the Qur'an is saying is about these Christians, Jews and Sabians is that, anyone who, beyond their artificial label of calling themselves whatever they want, believes in God and does good deeds and believes on the last day, they will be "Muslims" (meaning submitters to God) and they will be given rewards from their lord.

I searched the whole net without finding anyone to refute this Pastor. He seems to have a clean shot at the whole game.

This gentleman won't let open comments in his site, he has a moderation functionality, LOL it is.

Someone please do the job, since we can't have people saying whatever they want about our religion and get away with it.

I am a new-comer to this site, excuse any errors and forgive me if I posted in the wrong criteria.

Salam

(note: Quran has no abrogation, Quran is a mathematical miracle, please I do not want to jostle on this topic. I am on the side for defending the Muslims, so please do justice. Also this gentleman has tonnes of topic and also I have seen open contradiction in his argument. Someone please do the honors.)

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Re: Refuting Pastor Labib Mikhail
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 09:35:24 AM »
Ahmed deedat was presented with 2:62 and 2:85

his explanation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNTATgp3pRo&list=PL9019BDFBDF717316&index=1
from 1:37:11 till end of explanation.

"Whichever Ayah We "nansakh" or cause to be forgotten We replace it with its equal or with that which is greater, did you not know that God is capable of all things?" 2:106
 
What the interpreters claim is that this verse confirms that some Quranic verses are invalidated by others. They interpret ‘Ayah’ in this verse to mean a verse in the Quran. And they interpret the word "nansakh" as to mean: to abrogate. But does this word, as used in the Quran, truly mean abrogate?
 
Here we have to examine the correct meanings of both words: "nansakh" and "ayat" as used by God in 2:106
 
The word "ayat"
 
The word Ayah, as used in various verses in the Quran, can have one of four different meanings:
 
a- It could mean a miracle from God as in:
 
"And We supported Moses with nine profound Ayahs (miracles)." 17:101
 
b- It could also mean an example for people to take heed from as in:
 
"And the folk of Noah, when they disbelieved the messengers, We have drowned them and made them an Ayah (example) for all people." 25:37
 
c- The word ‘Ayah’ can also mean a sign as in:
 
"He said, ‘My Lord, give me an Ayah (sign).’ He said, ‘Your Ayah is that you will not speak to people for three consecutive nights." 19:10
 
d- Finally, it could mean a verse in the Quran, as in:
 
"This is a book that We have sent down to you that is sacred, perhaps they will reflect on its Ayat (verses)." 38:29
 
Now if we consider verse 106 of Sura 2, it can easily be verified that the word ‘Ayah’ in this particular verse could not mean a verse in the Quran. It can mean any of the other meanings (miracle, example or sign) but not a verse in the Quran. This is because of the following reasons:
 
1- The words "cause to be forgotten" could not be applicable if the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse meant a verse in the Quran. How can a verse in the Quran become forgotten? For even if the verse was invalidated by another (as the interpreters falsely claim) it will still be part of the Quran and thus could never be forgotten.
 
2- The words "We replace it with its equal" would be meaningless if the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse meant a Quranic verse, simply because it would make no sense for God to invalidate one verse then replace it with one that is identical to it!
 
3- If the word ‘Ayah’ in verse 106 meant a miracle, an example or a sign, then all the words of the verse would make perfect sense. The words "cause to be forgotten" can apply to all three meanings and that is what actually happens with the passing of time. The miracles of Moses and Jesus have long been forgotten. We only believe in them because they are mentioned in the Quran.
 
Similarly the words "We replace with its equal or with that which is greater" is in line with the miracles of God. God indeed replaces one miracle with its equal or with one that is greater than it. Consider the following verse :
 
"And We have sent Moses with Our Ayah’s (miracles or signs) to Pharaoh and his elders proclaiming : ‘I am a messenger from the Lord of the universe’. When he brought them our Ayah’s they laughed at him. Every Ayah We showed them was greater than the one that preceded it." 43:46-48
 
The word "nansakh"
 
The word "nansakh" which is used in 2:106 comes from the verb "nasakha". It has been claimed that this word in 2:106 means abrogate. However, on closer inspection of all the Quranic verses which use this word it can be found that this word means quite the opposite. It means to record or write down. When God wants to say "substitute" the Arabic word used is "BADDALA" an example is found in 16:101
 
For full details please check the following page:
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/misinterpreted_verses/nansakh_in_2:106_(P1248).html
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