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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2013, 01:52:26 pm »
(Quran 6.133)  If He wills, he can do away with you and give succession after you to WHATEVER He wills, just as He produced you from the descendants of another people.

Note: The Quran specifically uses the word "Whatever" or "What" ("ma" in Arabic ما). This Arabic word "ma" cannot refer to humans; this word is strictly reserved for non-humans (the Arabic word that does refer to humans is "man من", meaning "who" or "whoever" but it was not used here).



1- The Arabic word "ما ma" can refer to humans , example:

Holy Quran 4:3  But if ye fear that ye cannot do justice between orphans, then marry what "مَا ma" seems good to you of women.

2- the Arabic word " قوم Qawm" which is translated as  "people,folk" in the verse ,is a strong clue that we are descendant of  humans , as the word "qawm" never used in Arabic as a reference to animals, or any non-humans.....   


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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2013, 02:20:13 pm »
I have some final additions inshallah but not today ...my time is short now


thanx for reading

May Allah bless us all and increase our knowledge...

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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2013, 02:25:46 pm »
Hello brother Egyptian. Thank you so much for spending time to reply to me. I just wanted to let you know that before I start, that I am doing nothing but searching for the truth. I strive for intellectual honesty, and this has brought me in life so far. It has made me ultimately convert to Islam. So I will always (God willing) continue using such intellectual honesty in my line of thinking. If I find that something is an honest belief and not one based on excuses (like my previous faith), I usually end supporting such belief.

I thank you for your time, I will create a response to it and then I will make a conclusion in the end detailing which side is the most honest side to be with according to my understanding.

I will reply to each post individually. Please allow time for this :)

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2013, 02:32:11 pm »


we need to visit "to substitude x instead of M " and  "to make x succesor of M"...

The first noble verse we should visit is:


Holy quran 9:38 O you who believe! What (excuse) have you that when it is said to you: Go forth in Allah's way, you should incline heavily to earth; are you contented with this world's life instead of the hereafter? But the provision of this world's life compared with the hereafter is but little.If you do not go forth, He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you, and you will do Him no harm; and Allah has power over all things.

-Who are the humans whom Allah warned to be punished and substituted? The believers during the prophet's era.
-what is the punishment? not mentioned but could be a curse from Allah to be humilated in the world ,and not necessarily to be eradicated.
what is the substitution? could be any other folk who will be more faithful and ready to do the task of supporting the prophet peace be upon him....
nothing in the verse to suggest that those who might substitute them are their seed or  other creatures succeed...

now to the next verse...

I want to remind you that  chapter 9 is about Islam’s survival. That The prophet Muhammad and his companions have to fight off the oppressors so that Islam could spread! If everyone that believed did not go forth with keeping Islam alive. Allah has threatened them that he will punish them and replace them with another people. That means humanity has failed in spreading Allah’s message by their own choice! Just like in other verses, Allah says that if we fail, he will replace us with another creation. IN quran 9:39, humanity has failed to spread islam because of laziness, and Allah has threatened to remove us and replace us with another people. So yes, it is addressing the believers. But by addressing the believers and the believers failed themselves, then on the earth there are no beleivers and humanity will be replaced by another creation. Time and time again, in the Quran, Allah tells us that if mankind fails, we will be replaced by another creation.  If The only believers at the time (Muslims) failed themselves, Allah will punish them and replace mankind with another people, JUST as he has done before! If all the believers become disbelievers and wrong-doers, humanity has not believers and we failed, so Allah will replace us with another people (just as Quran 6:133 states). When you put all the verses together, it is implying that Allah will replace us and make others succeed us (Quran 6:133) if we fail. So comparing 9:39 with 47:38 does not invalidate each other implying descent with modification! Quran 9:39 tells us that if the believers fail, humanity fails. If humanity fails, we will be replaced with another creature.

The only difference is in 9:39 it is a threat to the believers at the time. The other verses are threats to us right now! That threat still remains, if we all become wrong doers, Allah will replace us with another creature.  Now I agree that Quran 9:39 is not describing whether those people will be different or not, that is why we have to understand the Quran by putting all the verses together!


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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2013, 02:40:51 pm »

Muhammad 47:38 Behold, [O believers,] it is you who are called upon to spend freely in God’s cause: but [even] among you are such as turn out to be niggardly! And yet, he who acts niggardly [in God’s cause] is but niggardly towards his own self: for God is indeed self-sufficient, whereas you stand in need [of Him]; and if you turn away [from Him], He will cause other people to take your place, and they will not be the likes of you! and Allah has power over all things......


the noble verse is similar to the previous one...  a warning to those who acts niggardly,to be substituted of other folk who will not be likes of them but more generous and zealous for Islam....
It is not a threat of eradication ,neither other creatures substituting them...

it is not reasonable to think that Allah wants to send a message to those turn out to be niggardly, that they are going to be substituted with some other people looks physically diferent !!!

clear??

now with our next noble verse...


This verse is saying that if we are wrong-doers (more specifically being cheap), Allah will substitute others with us that are different from us. How will they be different from us, if they are exactly like us? Obviously, they have to have some kind of change!

This verse is nothing more but an extension of 6:133, where they both show, that if we become wrong-doers, we will be replaced by some other people. Quran 47:38, ends up telling us that those people will be different from us! That should be very compelling evidence, coupled with why verse 6:133 uses 'ma' instead of 'min', that evidence is rather compelling.

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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2013, 02:50:38 pm »
Bro Mclinkin ..  I haven't finished all the verses related yet ,and I'm about to answer your question in the conclusion ..
and will be pleased to read any notes..


the next similar verse:


Holy Quran 6:28 Behold, they [who are unmindful of God] love this fleeting life, and leave behind them [all thought of] a grief-laden Day.[They will not admit to themselves that] it We who have created them and strengthened their make - and [that] if it be Our will We can replace them entirely with others of their kind.

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now with verses with broader meaning :

Holy quran 14:19 Have you not seen how God has really created Heaven and Earth? If He so wished, He would remove you and bring on a fresh creation.

Holy quran  4:133 If He so wills, He can cause you, O mankind, to disappear, and bring forth other beings [in your stead]: for God has indeed the power to do this.

in the previous verses Allah the almighty affims that he can eradicate the humans and brings forth others ...
no meaning should be conjectured beyond what I mentioned....

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our next noble verse


So in Quran 76:28 (you made a typo and said 6:28  :), if you don’t mind correcting it so others may use it as a reference  :) ).

 Notice how it says: “We have created them and strengthened their forms, and when We will, We can change their likenesses with [complete] alteration.” Its talking about how we have been created and our forms have been strengthened. And when Allah chooses, he can CHANGE our FORMS.

Now, I agree that Quran 14:19 and 4:133 are general, but nonetheless, when you combine all of the verses that refer to ending humanity and allowing a successor, it starts making sense that our successor and our ancestors, were non-human. So, no, its not conjecture, it is an analysis of reality.

Secondly, I believe these verses show that Adam had an ancestor and he was picked over them, and that they were all descendants of others:

Quran 3:33-34: "Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds. DESCENDANTS, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing".

So Adam was chosen over his people to survive. Noah was chosen over his people to survive. Abraham was chosen over his people for the major prophetic linage. The family of Imran was chosen over their people. Etc.

So combine this verse with the other verses that show Adam having ancestors, who were not human. Since we all know Adam is the FIRST human. By default, his ancestors CANNOT be human. They could be human-like, but not the same thing as Adam.


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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2013, 02:57:08 pm »

If you note in the previous two noble verses, Allah afirms his ability to make new creation ,but not through evolving from previous humans ,but after eradicating the whole humanity ...so no space here to impose evolution on the noble verses....


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the next noble verses :

from changing the nature of your existence and bringing you into being [anew] in a manner [as yet] unknown to you.



Holy quran 56:61Have you ever considered what you emit? Did you create it, or are We its Creators? We have ordained death for (all of) you; no one will get ahead to prevent Us  from changing your attributes, and transforming you into something you would never recognize.

the words in bold were understood by some tafsir scholars as:

"in replacing you with others the same as you and re-forming you in a way you know nothing about. "

If the verse could be understood as a threaten then the first meaning is more sound........
and the meaning would be a threat to them of transforming their physical appearance to be like Apes or pigs... it could also mean ,Allah is able to change both the appearance and the behaviour of them ,as he wishes..

Whatever meaning you adhere to ,there is nothing in the verse that suggests that Allah did so, neither in past or future....

Allah's ability to do something ,doesn't neccesarily requires ,that he already did it.


our next noble verse

With regards to the first thing you posted, I disagree, the Quran is not talking about eradicating humanity THEN making something succeed. Instead, it used to word for 'and' signifying it is a simultaneous process. So for example: "(Quran 35:16) If He wills, He can do away with you and bring forth a new creation", there is no "then" in that verse. Allah will do away with us and bring a new creation in that process simultaneously. So a group of humans may mutate in a form, and the other humans will be done away with at the same time. So that Humanity as we know it is different from the newly evolved human.

Like the verse on Muscles forming around the bones, Its a simultaneous process.

 I think that Quran 56:59-62 is referring to the resurrection of mankind rather than anything to do with evolution. It may have to do with it, but considering the context of the chapter, I think its most likely referring to resurrection of mankind. We will be resurrected in a form we don't know.

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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2013, 03:05:45 pm »

(Quran 2:30) And when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority."


First : successor here was always understood as succesor to jin on one hand ,or a successor - representative of Allah on Earth, judging by his law..

the second meaning is strong ,as it is supported by similar verse:

Quran 2:30 O David, We have made you a successor on Earth. Therefore, you shall judge among the people with truth...

Second : even if we assume for the sake of argument that Adam was a successor to other humans, what is there in the verse to suggest that Adam evolved from those Ape like humans ,instead of Adam was a succesor to them after they were eradicated totally from Earth??



to be concluded next post

I agree that it could be applied to Jinn, but I don’t see why it has to, and it may very well be applied to animals. It seems to make more sense that it is referring to Adam being a successor to something that already exists on Earth. If you notice how on the verse the Angels questioned Allah why he would make a creature that causes corruption on Earth. It is as if the Angels knew we cause corruption already.

Allah will make a successive authority on Earth. Doesn't that hint that humans were evolved to be a successful rule on earth? Not only that, the Angels were questioning Allah. How did the Angels know that we cause corruption and shed blood? They saw previous human/hominid generations before Adam cause corruption and shedding blood, so they were questioning Allah as to why he is creating an animal that is corrupt when we (Angels) are perfect? Allah tells them that it is all a part of the plan and he knows humanity will succeed.

Secondly, David was a successive authority on Earth, yes. He was chosen over the other humans to rule the people of Israel! Just as Adam was chosen over the Others.

I also agree that that verse does not show that Adam was a successor to ape-like humans. Rather he was a successor to others. My point was that in verse 2:30, Adam was a successor to someone. A successor with some kind of authority. When you reflect upon evolution, you know that about survival of the fittest. The fittest will be the successful authority of the ecosystem. Currently, that is mankind.

Now why did the verse not just spit it out and say that Adam’s common ancestor was apelike? Well, same reason why the Quran doesn’t just lay it out that the Earth is round, rotating around the sun, or that the Quran just doesn’t go into details of any phenomena. Rather it hints at it. The Quran hints at a round rotating Earth, but doesn’t explicitly state it. The Quran hints at the basic concept of evolution and common descent, but doesn’t explicitly state it. There is a reason for all of that, the reason is if the Quran is meant for all people and all times, it must logically follow that it has to confirm 7th century belief and modern belief without contradicting either belief. So that people from the 7th century are satisfied and that people in current times are satisfied. If the Quran said the Earth is round and that we came from apes, Imagine how much more humiliation the prophet (pbuh) would have gotten? No one would have believed him and some would have doubted him! So the Quran must be vague. Also the Quran is a book of signs. It will only hint at phenomena rather than go into detail on the subject. Its not meant to. Rather it makes hints and allows us to use our intellect to determine whether Allah exists or not.

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2013, 03:48:04 pm »
(Quran 6.133)  If He wills, he can do away with you and give succession after you to WHATEVER He wills, just as He produced you from the descendants of another people.

Note: The Quran specifically uses the word "Whatever" or "What" ("ma" in Arabic ما). This Arabic word "ma" cannot refer to humans; this word is strictly reserved for non-humans (the Arabic word that does refer to humans is "man من", meaning "who" or "whoever" but it was not used here).



1- The Arabic word "ما ma" can refer to humans , example:

Holy Quran 4:3  But if ye fear that ye cannot do justice between orphans, then marry what "مَا ma" seems good to you of women.

2- the Arabic word " قوم Qawm" which is translated as  "people,folk" in the verse ,is a strong clue that we are descendant of  humans , as the word "qawm" never used in Arabic as a reference to animals, or any non-humans.....   

 (MAA) points to (daab), placing emphasis on the character THAT is desirable in women.
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ما طاب لكم من النساء
The pronoun "MAA" precedes "Daab" which means "desirable" or "good" feature. It would be like saying: choose what you desire from other women. Since the verse speaks about men who may desire to marry orphaned women, it tries to shift this desire elsewhere to find it in among other women.

The key point here is the emphasis on the desirable character in women that motivates men to marry them, whether its their beauty, personality, money, or any other legitimate reason.

In Quran 4:3, The word "ma'' is not actually referring to a human. If it was it would have to use "ma" and then say "women" after it. Instead you find that "ma" is used in 2 instances in that verse, it is used before:

- "What Seems good to you OF women"
- "Of women, What Your right hands possess"

So you see "ma" Being used to emphasize a desirable character of the women rather than the women themselves!

If the Quran did not say "Of women" and uses 'ma', then that means the Quran is referring to something non-human. IN Quran 6:133, the Quran does not say of us, it says whatever. So it is referring to something non-human. Also if you read the context of Quran 6:133, it is referring to all of mankind. So he will give succession to whatever he wills, just as he produced ALL of mankind from the descendants of another people. if ALL of mankind descended from another people, then those other people CANNOT be human (Because all of the humans came from them). It seems to fit.

In English, whatever is also a proper usage of 'ma' in this Quran 4:3 sentence. I could say to marry whatever seems good to you OF the women. I could also say Marry whatever your right hands possess OF the women. This means I am not saying the women are a 'what', the 'what' is what my right hand possesses, it includes the women. But the verse made it clear that its about the women.

Contrast this to Quran 6:133, which says that Allah give succession to WHATEVER he chooses after us, and this thing he will give succession to is compared to as "other people". Who are these other people? Remember 6:133 is referring to ALL of mankind, so all of mankind succeeded after "other people". And the Quran referred to them as "what" rather than "who".

Now the Quran has referred to women in 4:3 as "what" rather than "who", but it was referring to what is good to us and what our right hands posses OF women rather than the women themselves. That marks a big difference from 6:133

The fact of the matter is that "ma" means "what", and "man" means "who". 'What' was used instead of 'who'. We must ask, why?

2- The Arabic word "Qawm" was used in Quran 47:38 to denote another people different from us. Also, 6:133 uses the word "other" there as well. So it is a strong indication to a people similar to us, but not like us. The definition of "other" is something similar. And it is used throughout the Quran to determine something similar but with a difference.

Not only that, verse 6:133 is addressing ALL of mankind (as verse 6:130) states. So that means ALL of mankind (including Adam) were the descendants of another people. Quran 47:38 gives us more detail and the following verses also explain that this new replacement of mankind is a new creation

(Quran 4:133) If it were His will, He could do away with you, o mankind, and create another race; for He hath power this to do.
(Quran 35:16) If He wills, He can do away with you and bring forth a new creation.


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So in summary, Quran 6:133 supports the idea that mankind were the descendants of a different people:

1.) The context of the verse shows that it is referring to ALL of mankind, and it says that ALL of mankind descended from another people, if Adam was the first human like us, then by default the other people are not like Adam
2.) It uses the word "ma" instead of "min" ("whatever" instead of "whoever") signifying they are non-human
3.)  This verse mirrors Quran 35:16 as they BOTH refer to doing away with us (yudh'hib'kum) and replacing us with another people, verse 35:16 is more specific to us that they (other people) are  a new different creation
4.) Another hint at the "other people" not being like us is verse 47:38, which clearly shows they won't be like us. Further, Quran 76:28 makes it clear that Allah intends on changing the forms of the people (because it describes form changing).

In the end, I think this is overwhelming evidence of the Quranic support on the idea that mankind descended from another being and that a new being may be formed after mankind as well if we disobey, and mankind in its current state will be eradicated to leave a new version of us that are BETTER.

I hope you understand my position. I also wanted to re-state one more verse to make it completely clear that Adam was a descendant from someone:

Quran 3:33-34: "Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds. DESCENDANTS, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing".

So Adam was chosen over his people to survive. Noah was chosen over his people to survive. Abraham was chosen over his people for the major prophetic linage. The family of Imran was chosen over their people. Etc.

So combine this verse with the other verses that show Adam having ancestors, who were not human. Since we all know Adam is the FIRST human. By default, his ancestors CANNOT be human. They could be human-like, but not the same thing as Adam.


 
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2013, 07:45:11 am »
I just wanted to let you know that before I start, that I am doing nothing but searching for the truth. I strive for intellectual honesty, and this has brought me in life so far.

I'm glad for your efforts for searching the truth , and the matter under discussion ,should be discussed with relaxation,as it is not a serious one,neither invented by you....

atually few muslims gave alternative readings to some Quranic verse to reach such conclusion ,including the controversial Islamic scholar Abdel-Sabour Shahin... who wrote the book "My Father Adam, the Story of Creation between Myth and Truth."
his book was criticised and his hypothesis were refuted totally by all other scolars in Al-Azhar university and other scholars ,including Dr Zaghloul El-Naggar.
in spite of the criticism ,there is no scholar blasphemied him , as simply his flawed hypothesis won't get him outside the fold of Islam...



the basic falws in the hypothesis ,is that it misapplies verses, go beyond their simple literal meaning,conjecturing much between the lines...

though I agree with you when you said :

The problem with the interpretation of the Quran the same way the companions understood it, is that, the Quran is meant for all times and places, not just them.

but that doesn't mean, we should be zealous to get something out of nothing ....

That The prophet Muhammad and his companions have to fight off the oppressors so that Islam could spread! If everyone that believed did not go forth with keeping Islam alive. Allah has threatened them that he will punish them and replace them with another people. That means humanity has failed in spreading Allah’s message by their own choice! 

It is the believers task to spread Islam to humanity ,and they didn't fail ,they indeed spread it...


then on the earth there are no beleivers...

on Earth there are believers,and they try hard to spread Islam....

If The only believers at the time (Muslims) failed themselves, Allah will punish them and replace mankind with another people.

Muslims don't fail in spreading Islam,and islam is the fastest growing religion...

If all the believers become disbelievers and wrong-doers.

no warning in the verse for the believers that if they become disbelievers and wrong-doers,they will be replaced by other evolved mankind ...... but simply "assuming the believers as a general term encompassing all the muslims all over the ages,and not merely the companions of the prophet" If they won't support the prophet in Jihad ,they will be punished humilated and be replaced by those who have more faith and zeal to jihad..



To be continued




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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2013, 09:28:37 am »
I don't know why would anyone try so hard to prove that he's a descendant of apes just to please the ones who made such a ridiculous theory which science keeps proving wrong day after day .

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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2013, 11:27:54 am »
I don't know why would anyone try so hard to prove that he's a descendant of apes just to please the ones who made such a ridiculous theory which science keeps proving wrong day after day .

Hello brother,

We are not descendants of apes, we share a common ancestor with them. The descendant nature is very gradual, it makes Allah an even more ingenious creator than we thought ever before. This mechanism of creation is absolutely breath-taking.

Further, we have extremely compelling evidence of evolution and it's never been proven wrong. In fact, all the evidence we have point to evolution. Currently, scientists are getting closer to finding living proof of Macro-evolution despite all of the evidence we have.

Denying evolution is an embarrassment to be honest. I studied evolution, and I would hesitate to call it a theory. Denying evolution would be like those Christians who believe the Earth is 6,000 years old and was literally created in 6 24 hour days. They are an embarrassment to the world. We do not want Islam to be an embarrassment ESPECIALLY if our own SCRIPTURE supports the idea of a gradual diverse process behind creation that involved descent from human-like creatures!

If Adam was the first human and he was a descendant of something, then it must logically follow that this something is not human. All you need to do is reflect upon this verse

Quran 3:33-34: "Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds. DESCENDANTS, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing"

^Here, the Quran called Adam a descendant.

Further the Quran tells us to travel through the Earth and see the ends of people who failed:

Quran 47:10 Have they not traveled through the land and seen how was the end of those before them? Allah destroyed [everything] over them, and for the disbelievers is something comparable.

^We HAVE traveled through the land and seen the end of those before us. AND THEY WERE NOT HUMAN, rather, human-like. This confirms the other verses we were talking about. Those before us were not human, just as verse 47:38 tells us that the future people will not be human.
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2013, 11:48:47 am »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGdXKLipHfY
Theological debate on evolution

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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2013, 11:51:44 am »
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We are not descendants of apes, we share a common ancestor with them
So instead of saying that apes are our ancestors , they are actually our cousins ? Yeah , much difference .

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The descendant nature is very gradual, it makes Allah an even more ingenious creator than we thought ever before. This mechanism of creation is absolutely breath-taking.
I'll say it flat out : This mechanism of evolution is 100% myth that isn't supported by other than hoaxes and lies . And it clearly goes against Islam which says that Allah created our father Adam - peace upon him - from mud by his hands in his current form ( The form of father Adam and not Allah . To make sure there is no misunderstanding ) .
And if you really don't agree with the meaning of these signs of Quran and the sayings of prophet Muhammad , would you try to build a false miracle upon a lie which is proven to be a lie day after day ? Nobody said there are no miracles in the noble Quran but trying to come up with one out of any and everything is just a farce .

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Further, we have extremely compelling evidence of evolution and it's never been proven wrong. In fact, all the evidence we have point to evolution. Currently, scientists are getting closer to finding living proof of Macro-evolution despite all of the evidence we have.
Denying evolution is an embarrassment to be honest. I studied evolution, and I would hesitate to call it a theory. Denying evolution would be like those Christians who believe the Earth is 6,000 years old and was literally created in 6 24 hour days. They are an embarrassment to the world. We do not want Islam to be an embarrassment ESPECIALLY if our own SCRIPTURE supports the idea of a gradual diverse process behind creation that involved descent from human-like creatures!
It seems that I was right . You're astonished with what the west has of advancement and therefore you don't want to defy them but at the same time you don't want to defy Islam so you try to gather between gold and sand . Tell you what ? Drop by here and I assure you that you'll be shocked to know that what they've been feeding you about evolution is but a huge lie .
http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/forum.php?
Just write "تطور" in the search box and choose any post . Or does it make you feel insecure ?

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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2013, 12:50:44 pm »
Assalamualykum
Brother, you should realize that evolution is based on a weak philosophy. It is the idea that the only way to establish truth is from science.
This fails because science can't explain how life came from non life, how humans are conscious, what came before the big bang,etc...