Confusion!!!!

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.


'' Blessed is He who has placed in the sky great stars and placed therein a [burning] lamp and luminous moon.''(25:61)

 In the above Ayah Allah says He has placed great stars in the Heaven and also place therein a lamp (Sun) and a luminous moon. Okay I don't understand why Allah differentiated the stars and the Sun. Why does Allah only address the sun as a lamp while we know that there are much more bigger luminous stars than the sun in the universe?And does this verse mean there is only one Sun and one moon in the Heavens? But it's not possible as I have told you earlier that our Universe consists of many Sun like stars and also Moons.

 Please clarify this.

[mclinkin94]

Hello brother Farhan!

I wanted to let you know that this verse (25:61)  uses the word that is more accurately translated as constellations. So right away, you know that this verse is referring to the human perception of the sky! We see constellations and patterns in the sky, so it is our perception. So this verse is adhering to human perception to explain a beautiful phenomena of creation. Next you notice that the Quran says that Allah placed a burning lamp in the sky and a moon. In no way does this mean there is only one burning lamp or one moon, it is just stating that there is a burning lamp and a moon in the sky.

There are a few things that you need to notice about this verse. In no way does this verse say that the sun isn't a star, or that there is only one moon.

Next there is another verse in the Quran that addresses the STARS as being LAMPS, just as the sun is.

Quran 24:35 Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The similitude of His light is as a niche wherein is a lamp. The lamp is in a glass. The glass is as it were a shining star. (This lamp is) kindled from [the oil of] a blessed tree, an olive neither of the East nor of the West, whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself) though no fire touched it. Light upon light. Allah guideth unto His light whom He will. And Allah speaketh to mankind in allegories, for Allah is Knower of all things.

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

thanks brother.

 But can I have some more proof that Quran doesn't say that there is only one moon and one sun? Can you show anymore verse where Allah refers to the stars as lamps? And can you make it more clearer why do you think the verse is talking about human perception? It will Inshallah convince me.

PLEASE HELP

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters,

Brother Mclinkin94, great answer akhi.  May Allah Almighty bless you.  Ameen.

I would like to add that Allah Almighty created the creatures on earth to live by day and night.  Some planets, and even parts on this earth, have very long days cycles and very long nights cycles.  Normal life on earth was designed by an equal rotation of the day and night.  So by Divine Design, Allah Almighty placed the moon to be our night light, and for the sun to be our glorious star.

Furthermore, Allah Almighty Said the following:

‏91:1 والشمس وضحاها
‏91:2 والقمر اذا تلاها
‏91:3 والنهار اذا جلاها

"By the sun and its radiant light, and the moon that trails (and reflects) its light. By the day that magnifies and glorifies (جلاها) its brightness.  (The Noble Quran, 91:1-3)"



Did you know our shining and glorious days, on a clear day, are a magnification of the sun's rays by our atomosphere?  Outside our atmosphere, the universe is pitch black!  And Allah Almighty Said that it is our day that magnifies and glorifies the sun's brightness.  Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sun_rays_miracle.htm

thanks brother.

 But can I have some more proof that Quran doesn't say that there is only one moon and one sun? Can you show anymore verse where Allah refers to the stars as lamps? And can you make it more clearer why do you think the verse is talking about human perception? It will Inshallah convince me.

PLEASE HELP

[067:005]  And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.

‏67:5 ولقد زينا السماء الدنيا بمصابيح وجعلناها رجوما للشياطين واعتدنا لهم عذاب السعير

Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm

Take care
Osama Abdallah

[mclinkin94]

Now, the question arises, why did the Quran use such language in that manner that appears contradictory?

It is because the Quran is an elegant book and is meant to display a beautiful text. Not only that you must reflect further:

Point 1: If God were to give a revelation to 7th century nomads it has to compel them and has to give them things to reflect upon so they believe in the scripture
Point 2: If that revelation is the final revelation and is supposed to compel people of the future, then that revelation cannot contradict reality that future humans will discover
Point 3: Therefore, the Quran MUST affirm 7th century belief without contradicting science.

And it must be sufficiently vague so that it doesn't compel those whose hearts are closed. (watch this video on this topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj4DS_QQYfo )

So yes, you find that in the Quran many words are purposely avoided or the Quran used alternate words so it could affirm 7th century beleif without contradicting (but supporting) science. So the Quranic scientific miracles have to be vague enough so they don't compel those whose hearts are closed and has to (at the same time) NOT contradict 7th century belief.

Imagine Muhammad directly told everyone at the time that the Earth is round and that you are standing off of the middle and God has made it so you don't fall off. Image Muhammad told people directly that mankind's parents were primates. People at that time would have considered him "idiotic" and "unscientific" and would have never considered Islam. So what did God do? In the Quran, there isn't a single verse that says the Earth is flat and there are many verses that hint at the Earth being round and there are many verses that hint at evolution. Those have to be sufficiently vague enough so it doesn't compel those whose hearts are closed AND not contradict 7th century belief AND support modern science.



Conclusion: So why does the Quran sound so basic and why didn't the Quran cover extensively the complex scientific topics?

God  patronizes us in the Quran. He knows we are only limited to understanding certain things, and that is what he utilizes. So of course the Quran has to give 7th century people something to reflect upon. Its like me trying to explain the theory of relativity to a 2 year old. I am going to sound like I am 2 year old and I am going to avoid using bigger words and complex topics

[mclinkin94]

thanks brother.

 But can I have some more proof that Quran doesn't say that there is only one moon and one sun? Can you show anymore verse where Allah refers to the stars as lamps? And can you make it more clearer why do you think the verse is talking about human perception? It will Inshallah convince me.

PLEASE HELP

I believe brother Osama has answered the question well showing you that the stars are "suns". May Allah bless him for his efforts.


The Quran is just saying that he put a burning lamp and a moon in the sky. You have to understand that it is an issue of language and classification. Back then Stars were not referred to as suns. The Sun is the sun and the moon is the moon. That is what it was defined as. Even in our current english language, we still call the sun, "SUN". And we still call the stars, "stars" separate from the sun. So your misunderstanding comes from the issue of language and classification.

It was only recently that we started calling "the moon" and naming the other moons as "moons". When I say "The moon", everyone knows exactly what I am talking about. Its been that way for thousands of years.

If you go back to brother Osama's post, you notice he has shown you that the stars, like the sun, are lamps. The Quran didn't refer to the sun as "the star" because the word star back then wasn't used to denote the sun. At the same time you have the Quran telling you that the stars are like the sun in that they are both burning lamps.

Further, this verse is adhering to human perception because of the way it was written. It tells you to look at the sky's constellations, look at the sun and the moon and reflect upon them. Its obvious that Muhammad (pbuh) didn't have a telescope so it is referring to the human perception. If you look at the verse after it says "And it is He who has made the night and the day in succession for whoever desires to remember or desires gratitude". The "night' and the "day" are elements of the human perception in their view of the Earth. If you are observing the solar system from space, you wouldn't see the night and the day.

I hope that helps!

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.


 Can anyone make me understand the meaning of the following verse:

  ''By the night as it conceals it (the sun))'' [Surat Ash-Shams, verse: 4]


How can night hide the sun? It can't be supported by the modern science.


And at many places Quran talks about night and day travelling in an orbit. Okay how is it possible? Because night and day are the results of Earth's motion. I'm confused

Please help!!

[ThatMuslimGuy]

Assalamualykum.


 Can anyone make me understand the meaning of the following verse:

  ''By the night as it conceals it (the sun))'' [Surat Ash-Shams, verse: 4]


How can night hide the sun? It can't be supported by the modern science.


And at many places Quran talks about night and day travelling in an orbit. Okay how is it possible? Because night and day are the results of Earth's motion. I'm confused

Please help!!

WalaikumAsalam.


 



 

91:4
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91:4

وَاللَّيْلِ إِذَا يَغْشَاهَا

Sahih International
And [by] the night when it covers it

Muhsin Khan
And by the night as it conceals it (the sun); 


What are you confused about? Are you proposing night doesn't hide/conceal the sun and its rays? When the Earth rotates (which causes night time) it hides the sun and its rays.

Its a pretty simple verse saying when its night time. Theres no sun...

As Ibn Kathir writes in his Tafsir:

(By the night as it Yaghshaha.) meaning, when it covers the sun, which takes place when sun disappears and the horizons become dark.

This is how language works. Is it an error when the Quran speaks about sunset and sunrise? Because technically the sun never sets or rises? No its how language works.

I apologise if I was being abrupt.

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

At many places Quran talks about night and day travelling in an orbit. Okay how is it possible? Because night and day are the results of Earth's motion. They don't have any orbit. Do they?

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

''Who made the earth firm to live in,made rivers in its midst,set thereupon mountains immovable.''(SURAH-Al-Naml:61)


  Can I have an explanation to the above verse? Why it says the earth is firm and mountains are immovable while in another verse it is said that Mountains are moving like clouds?

[ThatMuslimGuy]

''Who made the earth firm to live in,made rivers in its midst,set thereupon mountains immovable.''(SURAH-Al-Naml:61)


  Can I have an explanation to the above verse? Why it says the earth is firm and mountains are immovable while in another verse it is said that Mountains are moving like clouds?

WalakumAsalam,

I have started to discuss the usage of saying the Earth is firm/stable/safe/secure abode on my blog but need to write more.

http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/re-wikiislam-quran-scientific-error_30.html

Saying the Earth/land is a firm/safe/secure abode is scientifically accurate for so many obv reasons.

Is the earth generally stable and safe? Yes. Some planets are gaseous so they are not a fixed/stable/safe abode. Whereas the earth is not gaseous meaning that it is solid and firm. Also every-time we walk on the earth, the earth doesn't shake or fall apart. It is a stable ground. etc


27:61
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أَمَّن جَعَلَ الْأَرْضَ قَرَارًا وَجَعَلَ خِلَالَهَا أَنْهَارًا وَجَعَلَ لَهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَ الْبَحْرَيْنِ حَاجِزًا ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
Sahih International
Is He [not best] who made the earth a stable ground and placed within it rivers and made for it firmly set mountains and placed between the two seas a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah ? [No], but most of them do not know.

Shakir
Or, Who made the earth a restingplace, and made in it rivers, and raised on it mountains and placed between the two seas a barrier. Is there a god with Allah? Nay! most of them do not know!

I dont know mountains immovable came from. From translations ive read it says firm mountains or raised mountains etc. I'll look into Arabic.

Edit: The Arabic used it:

(27:61:10)
rawāsiya
firm mountains

http://corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(27:61:10)

So saying the mountains are firm or raised doesn't contradict the verse that says they move like clouds.

[abdullah]

salam, Im not sure where i read it from, but im pretty sure rawsiyaa means pegs. On another note the verses that say  the mountains are moving are referring to the day of judgement. But i heard somebody argue that it is referring to the present and the past, I am not good at arabic grammar so I can't say that it is true or false.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

salam, Im not sure where i read it from, but im pretty sure rawsiyaa means pegs. On another note the verses that say  the mountains are moving are referring to the day of judgement. But i heard somebody argue that it is referring to the present and the past, I am not good at arabic grammar so I can't say that it is true or false.

yeah ive heard that to. However translations and context seem to point to the day of judgement.

And pegs is awtada

Such as:


78:7
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وَالْجِبَالَ أَوْتَادًا
Transliteration
Waljibala awtada
Sahih International
And the mountains as stakes?
Yusuf Ali
And the mountains as pegs?

[abdullah]

Assalamualykum
Brother farhan the Quran is not a science book  so please don't treat it as one. It is a book of guidance, it was never meant to be a science book. In fact rarely anybody ever interpreted the Quran scientifically until Maurice baucille started the scientific miracle narrative. I ask all the bothers here to read brother hamza tzortzis essay on the scientific miracles in the Qur'an which can be found on his website at hamzatzortzis.com . You should not base your faith on the science in the Quran but on the irrefutable mathematical miracles in the Quran, especially the miracle of 19.

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

''Who made the earth firm to live in,made rivers in its midst,set thereupon mountains immovable.''(SURAH-Al-Naml:61)


 Can anyone explain this verse

[ThatMuslimGuy]

''Who made the earth firm to live in,made rivers in its midst,set thereupon mountains immovable.''(SURAH-Al-Naml:61)


 Can anyone explain this verse

Hopefully this will help:

Allah says:

أَمَّن جَعَلَ الْأَرْضَ قَرَارًا

Is He [not best] who made the earth (ard) a stable ground (Qararan)...


The two key words used in this verse are أرض (ard) and قَرَارً (qararan).

According to:
1. Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane p.85
2. Hans Wehr Arabic-English Dictionary, 4th Edition p.16
3. Al-Mawrid Arabic-English Dictionary p.75
4. The Students Arabic-English Dictionary by Francis Joseph Steingass p.28
5. A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran by John Penrice p.5
6. Arabic-English of Quranic Usage p.25
7. Vocabulary of the Holy Quran p.14
8. Arabic-English dictionary by J.G.Hava p.7
9. Dictionary Of The Holy Quran, by Malik Ghulam Farid, M.A p.17
10. Google Arabic-English & English-Arabic translator

أرض (Ard) means:
1. Land
2. Earth
3. Ground
4. Soil
5. Terrain

According to:
1. Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane p.
2. Hans Wehr Arabic-English Dictionary, 4th Edition p.881
3. The Students Arabic-English Dictionary by Francis Joseph Steingass p.826
4. A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran by John Penrice p.116
5. Arabic-English of Quranic Usage p.750-751
6. Vocabulary of the Holy Quran p.493-4
7. Arabic-English dictionary by J.G.Hava p.587
8. Dictionary Of The Holy Quran, by Malik Ghulam Farid, M.A p.686-7

قَرَارً means:

1. Abode, place of abode, an abode
2. dwelling, secure dwelling
3. place where one resides
4. a resting place
5. Settledness
6. firmness
7. solidity
8. steadiness
9. stability
10. repose
11. rest
12. habitation
13. residence
14. resting place
15. security
16. a fixed or secure place
17. repository
18. to settle down
19. container
20. secure place
21. it settled
22. became firm
23. steady
24. a state, time or place of fixed abode or settledness
25. establishment


The Earth fulfills all these meanings. It is a place of rest/abode/habituation etc. The Earth is a stable, safe, secure, firm,steady, solid place for us to live.  Some planets are gaseous so they are not a fixed/stable/safe abode. Whereas the earth is not gaseous meaning that it is solid and firm. Also every-time we walk on the earth, the earth doesn't shake or fall apart. It is a stable ground. etc

وَجَعَلَ خِلَالَهَا أَنْهَارًا

 and placed within it rivers

There are rivers on the earth.

وَجَعَلَ لَهَا رَوَاسِيَ

and made for it firmly set mountains

The word رَوَاسِيَ is plural of راسية . It means Firm mountains.


So it means Allah put firm mountains in the earth. Meaning you cannot just pluck them out of the Earth.

Immovable is an incorrect translation. Cant find immovable in any Arabic dictionary that i own.

Hope this helps.

[abdullah]

Assalamualykum brothers.
Brother Thatmuslimguy I read you article and mashallAh it's good. I noticed that you still haven't written on the ayah about the earth moving from its place. The verse could be referring to the orbit of the earth in that the earths orbit is finely tuned and the earth stays within its orbit.
Brother farhan daha doesn't mean egg, but that doesn't matter, the Quran still says that Allah yukawer(coils) the night over the day which is only possible on a round earth.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

Assalamualykum brothers.
Brother Thatmuslimguy I read you article and mashallAh it's good. I noticed that you still haven't written on the ayah about the earth moving from its place. The verse could be referring to the orbit of the earth in that the earths orbit is finely tuned and the earth stays within its orbit.
Brother farhan daha doesn't mean egg, but that doesn't matter, the Quran still says that Allah yukawer(coils) the night over the day which is only possible on a round earth.

WalaikumAsalam,

I havnt finished the blog yet. Ive still to write about Qararan and others.

As for the other verse the arabic says two things:

1. Allah grasps the heavens and the earth lest it cease to exist/fall into destruction
2. Or Allah grasps the heavens and the earth lest they move from there fixed courses/paths. Implying that the earth has an orbit.

Brother Osama talks about it on his site and he translates it as this, with the two meanings:

It is God Who sustains the heavens and the earth, lest they stray from their fixed paths and fall into complete destruction: and if they should stray, there is none - not one - can sustain them thereafter: Verily He is Most Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving.

So yeah speaking about the fine tuned Earth is good masha'Allah.
Stay tuned hehe.

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.

 "We have built above you seven strong (heavens) and placed a blazing lamp.''Sura 78, verses 12-13

Brother, what's the meaning of the above verse? Does it say ,Sun is above the Seven heavens and it is a single entity? Well It's not possible. because every star and planet is in the lowest heaven and according to Nasa there are hundreds of sun like stars and some are even more brighter and larger than our Sun.


sura 71, 15-16:
"Did you see how God created seven heavens one above an other and made the moon a light therein and made the sun a lamp?"


 And in the above verse, is Quran  saying that there is only one moon and one sun in the Heavens?

 Some like to claim that Quran says stars are in the lowest Heaven while the Sun and Moon are above the Seven heavens. How should we answer them?

They quote the following verses to support their claim:


"We have built above you seven strong (heavens) and placed a blazing lamp.''Sura 78, verses 12-13

-sura 71, 15-16:
"Did you see how God created seven heavens one above an other and made the moon a light therein and made the sun a lamp?"

And why Does Allah always say earth and the heavens? By this does it mean that Earth is just as large as heaven?Is there any verse saying Earth, Sun , Moon and Stars are in the lowest heaven? And does Quran say anything about multiplicity of Sun and Moon?

[ThatMuslimGuy]

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[ThatMuslimGuy]

Continued:

This verse states that the Stars, the sun and the Moon are all in the same heaven. And what heaven are the stars in? The lowest as the Quran says:

 

وَلَقَدْ زَيَّنَّا السَّمَاءَ الدُّنْيَا بِمَصَابِيحَ

 

Transliteration:

[067:005]  Walaqad zayyanna alssamaa alddunya bimasabeeha

Interpretation and Meaning:

Saheeh International:

[067:005]  And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars

Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan:

[067:005]  And indeed We have adorned the nearest heaven with lamps

[ThatMuslimGuy]

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[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Thanks for your clarification.

 Okay, Allah said:


 "We have built above you seven strong (heavens) and placed a blazing lamp.''Sura 78, verses 12-13

Brother, what's the meaning of the above verse? Does it say ,Sun is the only lamp in the Universe. Well that can't be true as we know there are hundreds of stars much brighter and larger than our sun. Please clarify this.

 And, Does Quran say there is only one moon and one sun? Is there any verse talking about the multiplicity of the Sun and the Moon?

 

 

[ThatMuslimGuy]

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Omg just wont let me copy and paste my stuff. Ill just copy it on my blog.

here it is:

http://quran-errors.blogspot.com/2013/11/for-farhan.html

"And does Quran say anything about multiplicity of Sun and Moon? "

We only have one sun and one moon. The sun we see during the day. The moon we see at night.

"And why Does Allah always say earth and the heavens?"

There wasnt a word for universe back then. So to speak about the Universe the best thing would to say Samma Wa Ard. The heaven and earth.

Basicly everything above and below. E.g. The universe.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

Thanks for your clarification.

 Okay, Allah said:


 "We have built above you seven strong (heavens) and placed a blazing lamp.''Sura 78, verses 12-13

Brother, what's the meaning of the above verse? Does it say ,Sun is the only lamp in the Universe. Well that can't be true as we know there are hundreds of stars much brighter and larger than our sun. Please clarify this.

 And, Does Quran say there is only one moon and one sun? Is there any verse talking about the multiplicity of the Sun and the Moon?

It wouldn't let me upload full response. So ive put it online.

Its a simple verse saying Allah made 7 heavens. And placed in it a blazing lamp. Which is obv refering to the sun.

No Stars are described as lamps too. Read about here:

http://quran-errors.blogspot.com/2013/10/re-wikiislam-scentific-error-in-quran.html

The Stars create their own light according to the Qur'an

The Quran says:



37:6

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37:6
Sahih International
Indeed, We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment of stars
Muhsin Khan
Verily! We have adorned the near heaven with the stars (for beauty).
Yusuf Ali
We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-
Shakir
Surely We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment, the stars,



67:5

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وَلَقَدْ زَيَّنَّا السَّمَاءَ الدُّنْيَا بِمَصَابِيحَ
Sahih International
And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars...
Muhsin Khan
And indeed We have adorned the nearest heaven with lamps...
Yusuf Ali
And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps...
Shakir
And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven with lamps...

Here the Quran describes the stars as lamps. Lamps produce there own light and heat. Thus the Quran accurately describes the light of stars.

So the stars are lamps too.

Allah describes both the stars and the sun as lamps. Showing that they the same thing. They are only made as a distinction because we dont say look at the star when we are on about the big blazing thing in the sky. We say Sun. Its how language works.



25:61

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تَبَارَكَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ فِي السَّمَاءِ بُرُوجًا وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا سِرَاجًا
Sahih International
Blessed is He who has placed in the sky great stars and placed therein a [burning] lamp...
Muhsin Khan
Blessed be He Who has placed in the heaven big stars, and has placed therein a great lamp (sun)...
Yusuf Ali
Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp...
Shakir
Blessed is He Who made the constellations in the heavens and made therein a lamp...

71:16

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 وَجَعَلَ الشَّمْسَ سِرَاجًا
Sahih International
 ...and made the sun a burning lamp?
Muhsin Khan
...and made the sun a lamp?
Yusuf Ali
...and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp?
Shakir
...and made the sun a lamp?

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Blessed is He who has placed in the sky great stars and placed therein a [burning] lamp...

 Brother, is the above verse differentiating sun from other stars and branding it as the only burning lamp? As I have told you earlier there are hundreds of stars more brighter  and bigger than our sun. And can you please explain me in detail the verses where Quran says Stars emit their own light just like the Sun?  And is there any verse describing multiplicity of the Moon?

 Thanks for clearing up 80% of my confusion.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

Blessed is He who has placed in the sky great stars and placed therein a [burning] lamp...

 Brother, is the above verse differentiating sun from other stars and branding it as the only burning lamp? As I have told you earlier there are hundreds of stars more brighter  and bigger than our sun. And can you please explain me in detail the verses where Quran says Stars emit their own light just like the Sun?  And is there any verse describing multiplicity of the Moon?

 Thanks for clearing up 80% of my confusion.

not worked again read online here my respone:

http://quran-errors.blogspot.com/2013/11/for-farhan-2.html

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

''God there is no god but He, the Living, the Everlasting. Slumber seizes Him not, neither sleep; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. Who is there that shall intercede with Him save by His leave? He knows what lies before them and what is after them, and they comprehend not anything of His knowledge save such as He wills. His Throne comprises the heavens and earth; the preserving of them oppresses Him not; He is the All-high, the All-glorious.''(2:255)


 What does it mean by ''... His Throne comprises the heavens and earth...''? Allah The Most Merciful says His throne comprises the Heavens and Earth, but comprises the Heavens means also the Earth as earth is in the heavens. Isn't it? Why Allah differentiates between Earth and Heavens in the above verse?

[ThatMuslimGuy]

''God there is no god but He, the Living, the Everlasting. Slumber seizes Him not, neither sleep; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. Who is there that shall intercede with Him save by His leave? He knows what lies before them and what is after them, and they comprehend not anything of His knowledge save such as He wills. His Throne comprises the heavens and earth; the preserving of them oppresses Him not; He is the All-high, the All-glorious.''(2:255)


 What does it mean by ''... His Throne comprises the heavens and earth...''? Allah The Most Merciful says His throne comprises the Heavens and Earth, but comprises the Heavens means also the Earth as earth is in the heavens. Isn't it? Why Allah differentiates between Earth and Heavens in the above verse?

AsalamuAlaikum,

It appears to be a weak translation. When i checked others it says extends.

Sahih International
Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
Muhsin Khan
Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter . And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great. [This Verse 2:255 is called Ayat-ul-Kursi.]
Yusuf Ali
Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).
Shakir
Allah is He besides Whom there is no god, the Everliving, the Self-subsisting by Whom all subsist; slumber does not overtake Him nor sleep; whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His; who is he that can intercede with Him but by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot comprehend anything out of His knowledge except what He pleases, His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth, and the preservation of them both tires Him not, and He is the Most High, the Great.


The Arabic term used is wasi'a which means extends.

(2:255:41)
wasiʿa
Extends
[http://corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(2:255:41)]

Looking up Hans Wehr Arabic-English Dictionary and others it means the same thing. Extends.

Hope this clears up the confusion.

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum

 http://media.isnet.org/off/XIslam/IslamOnline/orbit.html


Please refute the above article. It says verses regarding sun and moon are not miracles

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.


  '' It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.''(36:40)


 Okay, why Quran says ''It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon...''? Sun can't only overtake moon but also Earth and other planets. Does it mean that sun and moon's orbit is same? And what's the meaning of night and day orbit? Both take place on Earth. They don't have any orbit.


 In some translations I find ''''....but each, in an orbit, is swimming.....'' while in some I find, ''...but each travelling in its own orbit.....''. Which one is correct?

[mclinkin94]

Assalamualykum.


  '' It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.''(36:40)


 Okay, why Quran says ''It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon...''? Sun can't only overtake moon but also Earth and other planets. Does it mean that sun and moon's orbit is same? And what's the meaning of night and day orbit? Both take place on Earth. They don't have any orbit.


 In some translations I find ''''....but each, in an orbit, is swimming.....'' while in some I find, ''...but each travelling in its own orbit.....''. Which one is correct?

Because the physical laws in which Allah has put in place for the sun and moon do not allow them to intersect in their orbits.

The verse simply means that the sun and the moon are in an Oribit--and they are. If the Quran has said that they are in an Orbit around the earth that is a contradiction, isn't it amazing how the Quran avoided that so that it simultaneously supported 7th century ignorance as well as modern understanding? Its AMAZING!

Side note: Remember Allah creates a self-sustaining universe with laws, this therefore makes him the sustainer

(Quran 41:10-11) and He blessed it and determined therein its sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask. Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being]

^In here you see that Allah has determined all the sustenance of the Earth to be 4 days, then (after he determined the sustenance) he made the heavens and the earth to come into existence. So here is a case in which the sustenance of the Earth was determined before the creation of the Earth. In other words, Allah created a self-sustaining world which therefore makes him the sustainer of the world.

Here is another verse that nails it:

(Quran 7:54) He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!

^Everything is governed by Allah laws. This Makes Allah the Sustainer. He set the laws in motion in a self-sustaining world and therefore he is the sustainer. This verse clearly says that whatever exists in the universe is governed by laws under his command and because of that Allah is the sustainer of the worlds.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

Assalamualykum.


  '' It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.''(36:40)


 Okay, why Quran says ''It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon...''? Sun can't only overtake moon but also Earth and other planets. Does it mean that sun and moon's orbit is same? And what's the meaning of night and day orbit? Both take place on Earth. They don't have any orbit.


 In some translations I find ''''....but each, in an orbit, is swimming.....'' while in some I find, ''...but each travelling in its own orbit.....''. Which one is correct?

WalaikumAsalam
Mclinkin has pretty much answered it. The arabic text just teaches that they have there own separate orbits.

As for which translation is correct. Both really. The word used means move,swim,float etc Basically saying both the celestial bodies are moving:

The Arabic word used in the above verse is yasbahun. The word yasbahun is derived from the word sabaha. It carries with it the idea of motion that comes from any moving body. If you use the word for a man on the ground, it would not mean that he is rolling but would mean he is walking or running. If you use the word for a man in water it would not mean that he is floating but would mean that he is swimming. Similarly, if you use the word yasbah for a celestial body such as the sun it would not mean that it is only flying through space but would mean that it is also rotating as it goes through space.

The Arabic word used in the above verse is yasbah

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

: To Him belongs what is in the heavens and on earth, and all between them, and all beneath the soil.(20:6)


 Can anyone explain what Allah meant by ''and all between them'' ?

  Stars, planets, suns, moons, atmosphere, clouds everything is within the boundary of the lowest heaven not in between the earth and the heaven . Moreover earth itself is within the lowest Heaven. So what's the meaning of this verse.


Please help.

[mclinkin94]

: To Him belongs what is in the heavens and on earth, and all between them, and all beneath the soil.(20:6)


 Can anyone explain what Allah meant by ''and all between them'' ?

  Stars, planets, suns, moons, atmosphere, clouds everything is within the boundary of the lowest heaven not in between the earth and the heaven . Moreover earth itself is within the lowest Heaven. So what's the meaning of this verse.


Please help.

Salam,

Picture the Earth as a place and picture ALL that is above/around the earth as a place (heavens). He created the Earth and the Heavens, and ALL that exists between.

When God says that He created the Heavens, Earth and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN (including you and me) in six days this means that He is referring to the period of existence. Earth has been in existence for 2 days (out of 6) as Quran 41:9 states. The Quran in many places says that the universe is 6 days. That means the universe has existed for 6 days/periods at the time of the Quranic revelation. This is (again) because it says that Allah created everything in between the Earth and the Universe in 6 days--that means that ALL of the creatures that were currently present at the time of Quranic revelation. New creations have occurred after that time, new planets were formed and they became everything in between the heavens and the Earth. That meant that after a long period of time, Allah would say that he created the Earth and the heavens and everything in between in 7+ days.

n God's Throne time, Earth is 2 days old while the Heavens, Earth and everything in between are 6 days old. This makes the age of Earth to be one third the age of the universe (2/6 = 1/3). Similarly in Earth time, the age of Earth is 4.567 billion years while the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years; this is also one third (4.567 bln/13.7 bln = 1/3). So it is the same ratio in Earth time or in God's Throne time [8]. The theory of general relativity explains why time at God's Throne passes slower than on Earth. General relativity explains why 6 days passed at God's Throne but we measured it as 13.7 billion years (that is each day at God's Throne measures around 2.28 billion years on Earth).

Hope that clears it up.

I noticed in your posts that you are very interested in space/astronomy. I have something great for you!

Quran 41:9-12 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds.", And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask, Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly.", And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

So these verses say that Allah created the Earth in 2 days. Allah also put on the earth mountains. Allah also determined/decreed the Earth's sustenance in 4 days! In here you see that Allah has determined all the sustenance of the Earth in 4 days, then (after he determined the sustenance) he made the heavens and the earth to come into existence. And they came to existence as "dukhan"---SMOKE, GAS!. The accuracy here is AMAZING! Science testifies to this.

Here is the timeline:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------=6 days
-----------------------------------------------------4--------------------------2
*Period in which Allah determined Earth's
Sustenance (4 days).

                                                                       *Earth existed after that 4 day period for 2 days.

So Allah decreed Earth's formation to be 4 days since the universe's creation...after he determined everything, he made everything come to existence.

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.


 http://rationalislam.blogspot.com/2012/11/speed-of-light-miracle-in-qurandebunked.html


 Brothers please refute the above article.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

Assalamualykum.


 http://rationalislam.blogspot.com/2012/11/speed-of-light-miracle-in-qurandebunked.html


 Brothers please refute the above article.

Wow i found that very weak.

First things first he accepts that the Quranic verse is accurate. Meaning the verse is correct in its calculations. Meaning that the "miracle" is valid.

Secondly his rebuttal is simply saying well if  i use another number i can get a similar number.

That hasnt debunked the miracle at all. Thats just wining about it after realising its true. Therefore saying errrm well if another number is used we get similar answer therefore no miracle here guys. Which is just nonsense.

The denial of these people bemuses me.

Regardless our faith in the Quran shouldnt be solely based in this. There are for more greater miracles than this:

1. Linguistic miracle
2. Prophecies in the Quran that came true
3. Historical miracle.
4. Scientific miracle, far better than this one e.g. expanding universe

Personally this link didnt dent me at all. Because he doesnt actually debunk the math. He says the math is correct. Thus the "miracle" claim is correct.
Even if he did say the math was incorrect it shouldnt effect our faith in the Quran as it has far more greater miracles than this one.

Hope this helps.

[QuranSearchCom]

Assalamualykum.

 http://rationalislam.blogspot.com/2012/11/speed-of-light-miracle-in-qurandebunked.html

 Brothers please refute the above article.

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

Dr. Zaghloul Al-Najjar has proven the speed of light in the Glorious Quran:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/time_and_speed_of_light_precisely_in_noble_quran.mp3

Also visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/speed_of_light_in_quran.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[mclinkin94]

Assalamualykum.


 http://rationalislam.blogspot.com/2012/11/speed-of-light-miracle-in-qurandebunked.html


 Brothers please refute the above article.

There is a big problem with this article!

The Islamic character never calculated light speed from the time dilation equation, it only used it to calculate the speed of the angels. Then we compared it to the speed of angels at 12000 Lunar Orbits/Earth Day; it is the same speed in km/sec...

Ignorance at a larger degree, eh?

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

'' It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.''(36:40)


 Enbiya/33
It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (of them) swim in an orbit.



 Okay in some articles it is said that the above verses are talking about the motion of everything including sun,moon,earth,planets and stars. But how? Because the verses only mention sun, moon and earth? If I say Ibrahim and Ali, Sami and Abdel, Ahmad and Uthman everyone is a good player or all are good players will it imply also the people whose names are unmentioned?  Can anyone explain this in detail?



 And does Quran say anything about earth's motion around the Sun? And Moon's motion around the earth?

[QuranSearchCom]

'' It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.''(36:40)

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

People were asking the Prophet, peace be upon him, if the sun and the moon were ever going to collide.  The people thought that the sun and the moon were both running on one lane or line or orbit or path, and that they're together, and that if one slows down, then the other would catch up to it and they'd ultimately collide.  Allah Almighty responded to this nonsense by making it absolutely clear that the sun and the moon are traveling in entirely different orbits, and that they could not catch up to each others and collide.  So what the empty anti-Islamics of today try to prove as a scientific blunder in the Holy Quran turns out to be an accurate Scientific Statement and a Scientific Miracle of its time.

Also,  the Holy Quran Said that the moon's orbit is S-Shaped.  Allah Almighty never said the same about the sun's orbit.

Enbiya/33
It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (of them) swim in an orbit.

Same exact reponse as above.  Yes, they're not on the same orbit.  This is Scientifically estabilished.  And again, the Holy Quran Said that the moon's orbit is S-Shaped.  Allah Almighty never said the same about the sun's orbit.

Okay in some articles it is said that the above verses are talking about the motion of everything including sun,moon,earth,planets and stars. But how? Because the verses only mention sun, moon and earth? If I say Ibrahim and Ali, Sami and Abdel, Ahmad and Uthman everyone is a good player or all are good players will it imply also the people whose names are unmentioned?  Can anyone explain this in detail?

And does Quran say anything about earth's motion around the Sun? And Moon's motion around the earth?

Allah Almighty started the Noble Verse with speaking only about the sun and the moon, and the night and the day.  But ended it by saying ALL swimming in their independent orbits.  This is referring here to all celestial bodies in the Universe.  This is further clearly proven in other Noble Verses where Allah Almighty talking about the orbits of the celestial bodies, and how once in space, traveling becomes in orbits.  Please visit the following video of Dr. Zaghloul Al-Najjar.  He thoroughly and beautifully explained this beautiful Miracle in the Holy Quran with ample examples and details:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/day_layer_reveals_the_sun_brightness.wmv

All celestial bodies are يعرجون Yaa'rujoon (traveling in orbits) in space.  The video in the link speaks about the countless orbits in the Universe, and the day-layer reveals the sun's brightness.  This video is about Noble Verses 32:5, 34:2, 57:4, 70:3-4 and others, and the Arabic words عرج , عروج , معارج  and  معراج  that all refer to "going in an orbital and curvy path" in the Glorious Quran and our Islamic Texts.

Also visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/seas_dont_mix_and_orbit_of_earth_in_noble_quran.wmv
http://www.answering-christianity.com/motion_of_earth.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/orbits.wmv
http://www.answering-christianity.com/precise_prophecy_about_traveling_up_to_space_in_noble_quran.wmv (by Sheikh Yusuf Estes)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/the_earth_like_a_cradle.wmv
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sun_orbit.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/allah_and_science.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_orbit_miracle.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/daylight_and_moon_miracle.wmv
http://www.answering-christianity.com/skin_day_from_night_miracle.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sun_rays_miracle.htm

And the main section on overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran, on this website, please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

I will update the text-articles with this response today, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Thanks for your excellent explanation. May Allah bless you, your family and the entire Muslim Ummah. Ameen

[ThatMuslimGuy]

 Okay in some articles it is said that the above verses are talking about the motion of everything including sun,moon,earth,planets and stars. But how? Because the verses only mention sun, moon and earth? If I say Ibrahim and Ali, Sami and Abdel, Ahmad and Uthman everyone is a good player or all are good players will it imply also the people whose names are unmentioned?  Can anyone explain this in detail?

That Arabic says All - refering to all the celestial bodies in space. Watch this video that explains the arabic well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1gRzImeWL8

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

 And the moon darkens.(75: 8 )

  And the sun and the moon are joined,(75:9)


 Can anyone explain the above verses? Why Allah says that the moon and the sun will be joined? As sun is much bigger than the moon , it should swallow it not get joined with it. I'm confused. I have read some articles where they say that through these verses Allah says that Sun will swallow the Moon before the Final Hour. But the verse uses ''JOINED'' not ''SWALLOWED''. Or is it talking about Solar eclipse? If so then the translation might me wrong.

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

 PLEASE HELP ME WITH THE ABOVE CONFUSION

[QuranSearchCom]

And the moon darkens.(75: 8 )

  And the sun and the moon are joined,(75:9)

 Can anyone explain the above verses? Why Allah says that the moon and the sun will be joined? As sun is much bigger than the moon , it should swallow it not get joined with it. I'm confused. I have read some articles where they say that through these verses Allah says that Sun will swallow the Moon before the Final Hour. But the verse uses ''JOINED'' not ''SWALLOWED''. Or is it talking about Solar eclipse? If so then the translation might me wrong.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Here are the Noble Verses:

‏75:7 فاذا برق البصر
‏75:8 وخسف القمر
‏75:9 وجمع الشمس والقمر
‏75:10 يقول الانسان يومئذ اين المفر

[075:007]  At length, when the sight is dazed,
[075:008]  And the moon is buried in darkness.
[075:009]  And the sun and moon are joined together,-
[075:010]  That Day will Man say: "Where is the refuge?"

I believe this is a Prophecy about a Great Eclipse that will take place.  This actually makes sense, since when the Hour Comes, the Universe's orbits' path will turn into a spegetti mess on a massive scale, and all celestial bodies will be colliding violently with each others.  So it makes sense that:

1-  Our atmosphere will change, and hence it will greatly effect our visions, since the sun rays are all magnified and become glorious, as we know them, through our atmosphere as Allah Almighty mentioned clearly in the Glorious Quran:

‏91:1 والشمس وضحاها 
‏91:2 والقمر اذا تلاها
‏91:3 والنهار اذا جلاها 

"By the sun and its radiant light, and the moon that trails (and reflects) its light. By the day that magnifies and glorifies (جلاها) its brightness.  (The Noble Quran, 91:1-3)"
 
Please visit: http://www.quransearch.com/sun_rays_miracle.htm


Lunar Eclipses do blur and permanently damage the eye's cornea:

The following pictures certainly prove the points above.  Another point worth mentioning is that when the Hour Comes, the sun's rays might be much much more than what they already are today.  There are several Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran that indicate that this will actually happen:

http://www.quransearch.com/water_shall_vanish.htm
http://www.quransearch.com/galaxy_explosion.htm
http://www.quransearch.com/end_of_times_volcanoes_caused_by_stretching_of_earth.htm
http://www.quransearch.com/ac20.htm#links



In the case, the lunar eclipse would be far greater than what it appears to be in the following pictures:







When watching the lunar eclipse outside, special Eye Shields are required to prevent blindness and/or permanent eye damages, especially to the cornea:






2-  Because of the chaos in the orbits, our solar system's orbits will also go in chaos, and hence the sun's and the moon's orbits will cross each others, and an eclipse will occur as a result.

3-  When the events in point #2 happen, then the sky will darken and the moon will be buried in darkness.

Great question dear brother, Farhan!  I will add this on the website with more elaborations, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Thanks brother Osama for clearing up the confusion.

 Okay one last thing. If the above verse is talking about an eclipse, then what's the ultimate fate of the moon? I mean, how will it end? Will it be swallowed by the sun? What does Quran say?

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.

 I'm still confused about these verse:

  And the sun and the moon are joined,(75:9)

 Even if it is talking about solar eclipse, why it says that sun and moon will be joined? We know during Solar Eclipse, the moon comes in between the Sun and the Earth. Moon is not joined. Please, can you explain this in detail?

[QuranSearchCom]

Assalamualykum.

 I'm still confused about these verse:

  And the sun and the moon are joined,(75:9)

 Even if it is talking about solar eclipse, why it says that sun and moon will be joined? We know during Solar Eclipse, the moon comes in between the Sun and the Earth. Moon is not joined. Please, can you explain this in detail?

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

It is possible that the moon will eventually be swallowed by the sun, along with all of our solar system's celestial bodies.  We've seen above already how this Noble Verse is talking about the Great Lunar Eclipse when the Hour Comes.  As to the language of the sun and the moon will be joined together, while it is about a lunar eclipse, but it could also be referring to the moon eventually leaving its orbit here around earth and be devoured by the sun.  You see, the two immediate celestial bodies to us humans that our naked eyes could see up close and personal, from our view here on earth, are:

1-  The moon.
2-  The sun.

And they are the most relevant and vital celestial bodies for our life here on earth.  So if Allah Almighty spoke in limited language about the sun and the moon, it doesn't limit the event to just them.  But to us humans, since these two celestial bodies are what we see in considerable size and clarity from earth here, then they are the most relevant to us.  Plus as I said, they are the most relevant and vital to our life here on earth as well.  So Allah Almighty putting emphasis on the sun and the moon wouldn't mean that the Noble Verse is limited to just them.

As to the Arabic جمع (joined) in Noble Verse 75:9 above, it could very well be referring to being aligned together according to our view and perspective here on earth.  جمع is both a noun and a simple past in Arabic:

1-  جمع means a group for a noun.
2-  جمع means joined together, came together, summoned together, brought together, put together for a simple past.

The Noble Word would be very appropriate and suitable if Allah Almighty spoke about the Great Lunar Eclipse will happen when the Hour Comes.  And we see very clearly from the full context in Noble Verses 75:7-10, in the previous posts above, that Allah Almighty did indeed speak about a Lunar Eclipse will happen when the Hour comes.

I know I've written an article years ago about these Noble Verses.  I will update it with these new posts today, Insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.

 "A day when the heaven with the clouds will be rent asunder, And the angels will be sent down, a grand descent." (Quran:25:25)

 Can anyone explain me the above verse? What does '' the heaven with the clouds will be rent asunder'' mean?

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.

 May a possible explanation to this verse is:

 When the heaven will be rent asunder that will produce a great smoke which will resemble the clouds. Well Allah knows the best.

 

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Anyone please interpret the following Hadith:

 ''The Sun and Moon will be two rolled-up bulls in Hell on the Day of Resurrection."

 

[ThatMuslimGuy]

Anyone please interpret the following Hadith:

 ''The Sun and Moon will be two rolled-up bulls in Hell on the Day of Resurrection."

What is the source for this Hadeeth?

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.

 at-Tahhawee reports in Mishkil al-Aathaar, that Salamah ibn Abdur Rahman said , ''Abu Hurayah told us Muhammad(PBUH)) said:

  ''The Sun and Moon will be two rolled-up bulls in Hell on the Day of Resurrection."
 al-Baihaqi also reported this in ''al-Ba'th wal-Nushur as did al-Bazzaar, al-Isma'ili, al-Khattaabi with an insaad that it's Saheeh according to the conditions of al-Bukhari who reported in al-Saheeh al-Mukthasar, with the wording ''The Sun and Moon will be two rolled-up bulls in Hell on the Day of Resurrection." (Sheikh Naasir ud-Deen al-Albani narrated this hadith in Silsilah al-ahadeeth as-Saheehah, 1/32, hadith no:124)


 I don't understand this Hadith. Another thing, is it comparing the size of the moon with that of the Sun? Moon is nothing compared to the Sun.




 

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.

1) Is there any verse in the Quran which hints that there many other moons and suns in our universe ?

2)Is there any verse which hints that Sun is much bigger than the Moon and Earth?

3)And lastly is there any verse that hints Earth is revolving around the Sun?

[abdullah]

Assalamualykum, the hadith makes no sense so you can reject it, you do know that if a hadith doesn't make sense to you, you can reject it right?
answers to your ?s
1. No
2. No
3. Maybe, some would argue that when the Qur'an says the night and day are orbiting this is referring to the earths movement
Quran is not a science book, so you shouldnt look for scientific info in it.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

Assalamualykum.

 at-Tahhawee reports in Mishkil al-Aathaar, that Salamah ibn Abdur Rahman said , ''Abu Hurayah told us Muhammad(PBUH)) said:

  ''The Sun and Moon will be two rolled-up bulls in Hell on the Day of Resurrection."
 al-Baihaqi also reported this in ''al-Ba'th wal-Nushur as did al-Bazzaar, al-Isma'ili, al-Khattaabi with an insaad that it's Saheeh according to the conditions of al-Bukhari who reported in al-Saheeh al-Mukthasar, with the wording ''The Sun and Moon will be two rolled-up bulls in Hell on the Day of Resurrection." (Sheikh Naasir ud-Deen al-Albani narrated this hadith in Silsilah al-ahadeeth as-Saheehah, 1/32, hadith no:124)


 I don't understand this Hadith. Another thing, is it comparing the size of the moon with that of the Sun? Moon is nothing compared to the Sun.

AsalamuAlaikum,

Ok so the hadeeth is authentic.

TBH akhi I dont know what its on about. But its speaking about the Herafter where we have no clue what its like. Like can you imagine paradise? Not fully. Its wonders are to immense.

So Allah Knows Best. Its speaking about a time when everything will be different and this world wont exist.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

3)And lastly is there any verse that hints Earth is revolving around the Sun?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

(Have you not seen how your Lord spread the shadow. If He willed, He could have made it still - But We have made the sun its guide, then We withdraw it to Us a gradual concealed withdrawal.) [Surat Al-Furqan, verses: 45, 46].



 Okay I read an article where it is said that ''then We withdraw it to Us a gradual concealed withdrawal.'' indicates rotation of the Earth around the Sun. But how? Following is a portion of that article:



[In God's saying: (Have you not seen how your Lord spread the shadow. If He willed, He could have made it still - But We have made the sun its guide) an indication to the rotation of the earth around itself and the sun is the guide, i.e., the sun is the body that the movement is measured according to it.

And in His saying: (then We withdraw it to Us a gradual concealed withdrawal) an indication to the rotation of the earth around the sun because the length of the shadow changes not only in day and night but also according to the seasons of the year as the earth rotates around the sun and it inclines on its axis of rotation for about 23 degrees, therefore the length of the shadow varies due to the angle that the sunrays fall in.

These facts weren't known at the time of the descending of Quran, therefore these verses are considered to be a sign of the scientific miracles in the holy Quran, as they talked about the rotation of the earth around itself and around the sun.]