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refuting 1 John 2:18-27
« on: November 24, 2013, 04:45:49 am »
ASSALAM ALYKAM

when ever i am in  a debate christians always quote me this

1 John 2:18-27
English Standard Version (ESV)
Warning Concerning Antichrists

18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.[a] 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us

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Re: refuting 1 John 2:18-27
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2013, 11:44:30 am »
ASSALAM ALYKAM

when ever i am in  a debate christians always quote me this

1 John 2:18-27
English Standard Version (ESV)
Warning Concerning Antichrists

18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.[a] 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us

Does Muhammad (pbuh) deny Jesus being the messiah?

Does the prophet Muhammad deny the existence of God and God's servant Jesus?

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Re: refuting 1 John 2:18-27
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2013, 12:29:59 pm »
ASSALAM ALYKAM

when ever i am in  a debate christians always quote me this

1 John 2:18-27
English Standard Version (ESV)
Warning Concerning Antichrists

18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.[a] 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us

Does Muhammad (pbuh) deny Jesus being the messiah?

Does the prophet Muhammad deny the existence of God and God's servant Jesus?

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Notice here how Messiah was defined by the author of the 1 John book to be "Father and Son".  Islam does not deny that Jesus is the Christ, nor does the Holy Quran deny that the Jews and Christians were called sons of GOD.  The problem is that, like every exaggerated religion out there, the "Son of GOD" title became ridicoulous over-blown.  This is one of the many things that Islam came to straighten out from the corruption of the Jews and Christians.

Son of GOD in the Bible means Servant of GOD.  This is a fact that no Jew or Christian could deny.  And the Servant is not just any servant.  He is a servant "raised to Honor" as the Holy Quran puts it.  That's what son of GOD means.  Taking it beyond this is bordering polytheism and blasphemy.  Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm

Similarly, in Judaism, Idolatry is considered Spiritual Adultery against GOD Almighty.  Now I want you to think about this for a second.  Are we married to Allah Almighty?  Absolutely not.  Yet, it is considered spiritual adultery?  Similarly, if you take this beyond metaphor, and start speaking nonsense about you are married with GOD Almighty, then you would be bordering blasphemy.

The liar in the 1 John verses, and I am not saying that they are divine or original or authentic in anyway, is one who denies Jesus is the Messiah.  We do not deny that Jesus is the Messiah.  Therefore, this title would not apply to us.  But the title is messed up anyway.  How could you be a liar even if you don't believe Jesus was the Messiah??  Again, another metaphor that doesn't mean anything actual.  What is it that you're lying about??  It's like one saying if you're not hindu, then you're a thief!  What kind of a stupid statement is that??

Again, Islam came to fix this stupidity and put an end to it.  The blasphemies and stupidity stop with Islam!  That's the bottom line, my beloveds.

And last and not least, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm.  In this article, you'll see that the books of John:

1-  Were written by unknown people.
2-  Do contain alterations and man-made injections in them.
3-  Were written by an unknown number of men.
4-  Were written in unknown places.
5-  Were written in unknown dates.

Here is an example:

We find even more alarming troubles with the Gospel of John itself.  Since Christians believe that the writer of the gospel of John is the same one as the one who wrote 1 John, then it is important to point out the following absurdity in the authenticity of this gospel from its last and concluding chapter:

John 21:24-25
24 This is the disciple (WHICH DISCIPLE??  WHAT IS HIS NAME??) who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true (HOW DO YOU KNOW??  DID YOU EVEN MEET HIM IN PERSON??)
25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.


Many have doubted that John even wrote the entire book:

"Many scholars of the past two centuries have denied that John wrote this book, partly because of their belief that the author fabricated many details such as the miracles and the discourses of Jesus.  (The Holman Illustrated Study Bible, ISBN: 978-1-58640-275-4, Gospel of John, Page1540)"

For ample more quotes from several other Bible commentaries, again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm.

Now here is some analysis:

"We know that his testimony is true"?!

Wasn't the disciple John the one who supposedly wrote the gospel of John?  How can he say about himself that "we know that his (the author) testimony is true"?!  Isn't this a clear and indisputable proof that the book was written by an unknown person?

I hope this helps, insha'Allah. 


Osama Abdallah's Post:

And by the way, I know that what I just wrote was actually all written by mclinkin94, because somebody had just told me so!  I know it.  Don't question it!  I was just told that the post wasn't written by me!  Even if it has my name on it, and was written using my account.  It doesn't matter.  mclinkin94 wrote it.  I was just told that.  I don't remember if whether I actually wrote it or not.  But I know whoever wrote it, his testimony is true.  Somebody told me so.

Now of course, brother mclinkin94 didn't write my post.  But the point I am making here is that with this statement uttered by Osama Abdallah, do you see just how stupid and incompetent, and even a liar (if not mentally retarded), Osama Abdallah is??  This is all hypothetical of course :).

This kind of lies and retardedness and stupidity exist by the bulk in the Bible!

Everyone is supposedly inspired by GOD Almighty in the Bible, and all of their words are Divine Revelations.  Yet, we find fights among the disciples, where Peter and other disciples were called "clearly in the wrong", and Paul was called a "false apostle" by several of the disciples and believers.  I've went through this in my debate at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/is_the_bible_the_true_word_of_god_june_16_2013.wmv.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah