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« on: December 30, 2013, 07:18:27 am »
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Then the Messenger of God said, "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." (The History of al-Tabari, Vol. 6, pages 108-111)

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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2013, 08:32:49 am »
ur not asking this to clarify it i am sure u r asking this to insult muslims and making a mockery of islam

i m sure that u r believer of a false prophet that is paul.
first read my question that invalidates ur greek pagan heretical version of judaism which is christianity said by a chosen one of god a jew called maimonides.

Read my 60 questions that invalidates ur pagan cult of judaism called christianity.

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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2013, 09:03:15 am »
Assalamualykum.


 I don't think it is brother Isa's comment. As far as I know he is a Muslim. He just wants to clear up his confusions.

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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2013, 11:02:32 am »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

The detailed answer is located at:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1406.msg5591.html#msg5591

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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2013, 02:27:36 pm »
sorry the whole post did not show

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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2013, 02:36:35 pm »
here is what a   christian tried to use to prove Muhammad pbuh a false prophet

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+23

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2013, 07:45:39 pm »
sorry the whole post did not show

It looks like a special character cut your post.  If I knew this, I would not have used this board.  I am researching how to fix it.  Please make sure that you don't use special characters in your posts.  Here is a brief post with an image that explains it:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1373.msg5221.html#msg5221

If I can't get this problem fixed, I will convert to a new blog that will allow for special characters, and will also preserve the links of the already existing posts and threads on this forum.  I know of one that is already out there.  It costs money and it's not cheap.  But if this issue isn't fixed, I will just go for it, Insha'Allah.

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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2014, 10:54:51 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters,

I have scanned pages 107-112 from the book:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/tabari_vol6_page107.png
http://www.answering-christianity.com/tabari_vol6_pages108-109.png
http://www.answering-christianity.com/tabari_vol6_pages110-111.png
http://www.answering-christianity.com/tabari_vol6_page112.png


These are for everyone to read along.  I will write a detailed article and rebuttal about this topic, Insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).  I will also include David Wood's "Death of Muhammad" video, and prove that the Glorious Quran truly remains the Divine Truth of Allah Almighty!




Prophet Muhammad's Death:

First of all, the I would like to ask the reader to visit my post below about the many Prophets that Israel has murdered:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1406.msg6959#msg6959

Now to David Wood's points, although you've been thoroughly refuted at: www.answering-christianity.com/david_wood_rebuttals.htm, but even if we take your theory, which is the worst case scenario, this still clearly proves that the Glorious Quran is the Divine Truth!  You see everyone, David's theory goes like this (more details will be given, Insha'Allah):

1-  The Quran declares Itself to be Divine, and that Muhammad is a Messenger of GOD Almighty.

2-  The Quran warned Muhammad that if he were to fabricate lies on GOD Almighty, then GOD Almighty would:

(a)-  Seize Muhammad from his right hand (meaning make him powerless).

(b)-  Kill Muhammad by cutting or severing his oarta.

[069:040]  Most surely, it is the Word brought by an honored Apostle,
[069:041]  And it is not the word of a poet; little is it that you believe;
[069:042]  Nor the word of a soothsayer; little is it that you mind.
[069:043]  It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
[069:044]  And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings,
[069:045]  We would certainly have seized him by the right hand,
[069:046]  Then We would certainly have cut off his aorta.
[069:047]  And not one of you could have withheld Us from him.
[069:048]  And most surely it is a reminder for those who guard (against evil).
[069:049]  And most surely We know that some of you are rejecters.
[069:050]  And most surely it is a great grief to the unbelievers.


‏69:40 انه لقول رسول كريم
 
‏69:41 وماهو بقول شاعر قليلا ماتؤمنون
 
‏69:42 ولابقول كاهن قليلا ماتذكرون
 
‏69:43 تنزيل من رب العالمين
 
‏69:44 ولو تقول علينا بعض الاقاويل
 
‏69:45 لاخذنا منه باليمين
 
‏69:46 ثم لقطعنا منه الوتين
 
‏69:47 فما منكم من احد عنه حاجزين
 
‏69:48 وانه لتذكرة للمتقين
 
‏69:49 وانا لنعلم ان منكم مكذبين
 
‏69:50 وانه لحسرة على الكافرين


3-  According to several Islamic sources, Muhammad claimed that he felt his aorta is being cut or severed before he died.

4-  According to several Islamic sources, Muhammad was so weak during his final days, that he had to be carried by his companions to move around and to go to places.

Therefore, Muhammad was a false Prophet according to David Wood.



ONE-STATEMENT REBUTTAL TO DAVID WOOD:

If your theory is true, and that Prophet Muhammad did sin against the Holy Quran through the satanic verses, which Allah Almighty had cleansed them from the Holy Quran and kept the Holy Book Perfect and error free, then how about saying that what was a Divine Warning and a Divine Promise from Allah Almighty to the Prophet in the Holy Quran, turned into a perfectly fulfilled Divine Prophecy!  And even in your worst case scenario, David Wood, the Holy Quran is proven over and over and over again to be the Divine Truth from GOD Almighty.


To the reader, please visit the following links to see the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles and Prophecies of the Glorious Quran:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#rebuttals
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies


More on all of this soon, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: This really needs a big refutation
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2014, 04:06:35 pm »
AsalamuAlaikum,

Jazak Allah Khairan for the print outs!

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2015, 04:17:33 am »
Continuing with my previous rebuttal:


What about the Prophets that Israel murdered?  Were they also false prophets?

According to David Wood's standards, many Prophets from the Bible have to be false, because they were "outwitted" by the Jews and were murdered by them.  Let us look at some of the Bible's verses regarding the murdering of many Prophets by the Jews:

From https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080503233652AAqHoyk:

Which prophets were said to be killed by the Jews?

peace be upon you Lie hunter,

 i believe you are referring to the following verse of the quran:
 (002:061)  ...They were covered with humiliation and misery; they drew on themselves the wrath of Allah. This because they went on rejecting the Signs of Allah and slaying His Messengers without just cause. This because they rebelled and went on transgressing.

 in his famous commentary on the quran called tafheem-ul-quran http://www.tafheem.net/main.html maulana abul ala maududi provides the following references:

 The Israelites recorded their crimes in detail in their own history. Here are just a few examples from the Bible:
 
 (1) After the death of Solomon the state of the Israelites was split into two: the State of Judah with its capital in Jerusalem, and the State of Israel with its capital in Samaria. This was followed by a series of wars between the two States so that the State of Judah sought the assistance of the Aramacan State of Damascus against its own kinsmen. At this, Hamani the seer went under God's direction to Asa the king and rebuked him. Instead of rectifying his behaviour, Asa was so angry that he put the seer in the stocks. (See 2 Chronicles 16:7-10.)

 (2) When Elijah denounced the Jews for their worship of Baal and invited them to retun to monotheism, Ahab, the king of Israel pursued him for the sake of his pagan wife so that he had to take refuge in the mountains of the Sinai peninsula. On this occasion, according to the Bible, he said: '. . . the people of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thy altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword., and 1, even 1 only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away' (1 Kings 19:14).

 (3) The same king Ahab imprisoned another Prophet, Micah, for no other reason than that of speaking the truth. King Ahab ordered that he should be given only bread and water. (See 1 Kings 22:26-7)

 (4) When idol-worship and moral corruption became prevalent in Judah and the Prophet Zechariah raised his voice against them, he was stoned to death in the very court of the house of the Lord. (See 2 Chronicles 24:21.)

 (5) When the Israelite State of Samaria was wiped out by the State of Jerusalem, the Prophet Jeremiah deplored the condition of the Israelites. He warned them that it was time they set about mending their ways otherwise they would face an even more calamitous end than that of Samaria. The response to this sincere preaching was abuse and curses: he was beaten, imprisoned, put in the stocks and lowered by ropes into a cistern, where he was left to die of hunger and thirst. He was also accused of various crimes, including treason and conspiracy. (See Jeremiah 15: 10; 18: 20-3; 20: 1-18; 36-40)

 (6) It is reported of another Prophet, Amos, that when he denounced the widespread errors and corruption in the State of Samaria and warned of the evil consequences that follow such misdeeds, he was condemned to exile and told to pursue his prophetic task somewhere beyond its frontiers. (See Amos 7:10-13.)

 (7) When John the Baptist protested against the acts of moral corruption that were brazenly practised in his court, Herod, the ruler of Judah, first put John into prison, then had him beheaded at the request of a dancing girl, and had his head set on a platter and presented to the girl. (See Mark 6:17-29)

 (8 ) The same hostility to Prophets is evident from the life of Jesus. The priests and political leaders of Israel ultimately became inflamed against Jesus, who criticized them for their impiety and hypocrisy and invited them to true faith and riahteousness. It was this which prompted them to prepare a false case against him and persuade the Romans to sign a death sentence. Later, when the Roman governor, Pilate, asked them which of the two prisoners - Jesus or Barabbas, a notorious brigand - should be released on the occasion of the feast, they asked for the release of Barabbas and for the crucifixion of Jesus (Matthew 27: 20-6). This is a shameful chapter in the record of the Jewish nation, to which the Qur'an refers here in passing. It is evident that when a nation chooses its most notoriously criminal and wicked people for positions of leadership, and its righteous and holy men for gaol and the scaffold, God has no alternative but to lay His curse and damnation on that nation.

An addition from me, Osama Abdallah:  Visit the following link to see how the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments CLEARLY AND THOROUGHLY declares that Jesus was never crucified:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm



Other verses:

1 Kings 19:10
He said, "I have been very zealous for the LORD, the God of hosts; for the sons of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars and killed Your prophets with the sword And I alone am left; and they seek my life, to take it away."

1 Kings 19:14
Then he said, "I have been very zealous for the LORD, the God of hosts; for the sons of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars and killed Your prophets with the sword. And I alone am left; and they seek my life, to take it away."

2 Kings 9:7
'You shall strike the house of Ahab your master, that I may avenge the blood of My servants the prophets, and the blood of all the servants of the LORD, at the hand of Jezebel.

Nehemiah 9:26
"But they became disobedient and rebelled against You, And cast Your law behind their backs And killed Your prophets who had admonished them So that they might return to You, And they committed great blasphemies.

Romans 11:3
"Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE."


The following articles are good reads:

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080503233652AAqHoyk
http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1406.msg5370#msg5370
http://www.answering-christianity.com/jews_not_chosen_people.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/prophet_poison_death.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/the_accusations.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/mo-death_rebuttal.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/david_wood_rebuttals.htm


Research Links on Google:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=prophets+killed+by+israel
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=prophets+killed+in+the+old+testament



And last and not least, to see the Glorious Quran's Overwhelming Scientific Miracles, visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: This really needs a big refutation
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2015, 10:53:00 am »
Why this book still exist? When it an un-authentic and is filled with full of lies.

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2015, 08:14:51 pm »
yeah, Al-Tabari has many problems with it, we shouldn't carry it's burden any longer, secondly Hadiths are for claryfying the Qur'an, not for the Prophet's Alledged "Testimonies", so this belongs to the Trash can also.

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2015, 11:26:57 pm »
Some regard Al-Tabari as acceptable and some said not. Anywhere lets see the passage
that  Christian used as argument quoting Muhammad (pbuh) as false prophet as he couldnt differentiate between words of God which is truth and false.

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The Messenger of God was eager for the welfare of his people and wished to effect a reconciliation with them in whatever way he could... Then God revealed:... "Have you thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?" when Satan cast on his tongue the two phrases "These are high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is to be desired." ...Then Gabriel came to the Messenger of God and said, "Muhammad, what have you done? You have recited to the people that which I did not bring to you from God, and you have said that which was not said to you." ... Then the Messenger of God said, "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." (The History of al-Tabari, Vol. 6, pages 108-111)

The Holy Spirit@ Gabriel function to guide prophets and that is what The Spirit did in situation above if one wish to regard the story shared by Tabari as true. No issue. It makes thing clear that revelations from God are always protected.

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Jeremiah 23 exhibits that Israelite covenant with God had been disgraced and filled with falsehood. Chance will be given to Israelites during the period of Messiah to redeem themselves and still the outcome is the same as told in Isaiah 53.

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2015, 11:44:37 pm »
As for Christian saying poison caused the death as he was false prophet. Then was it due to death of poison affecting the internal body parts since he is a mere human or poison due to transmitting false revelation.
By checking the stories we found that the affect of poison had been delayed for years. For it is a miracle as proof towards the Jews that the prophet  was indeed transmitting verses from God and he did not add or remove a single word transmitted by Holy Spirit onto him.

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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2017, 11:09:02 am »
Some pathetic non-Muslims use unreliable quotes from unreliable books. They quote the following from Al-Tabari’s book:
“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
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This is in fact such a weak and stupid argument made by some Christians , and they desperately and shamelessly use it to disprove the prophethood of Muhammed.
For starter, who is Tabari ?!  Tabari  was a HISTORIAN not a scholar, so he does not verify the narrations as we will read in the introduction of his book. Anyway, Islamic historians would simply compile all the known narrations about a certain event, regardless of how authentic or reliable each of those narrations were. They would copy the Isnads (chains of transmitters) into their books, in order that the Muhaditheen (scholars of Hadith) could determine which narration was Sahih/Hasan (authentic/good) and which was Dhaeef (weak) or even Mawdoo (fabricated). In other words, the historians compiled the narrations, and the Muhaditheen authenticated them. Therefore, based on the above, we find that Tareekh at-Tabari is simply a COLLECTION OF NARRATIONS on certain events; some of these narrations are ACCURATE, whereas others are NOT. The authenticity of each narration depends on the Isnad (chain of transmitters): if the narration was transmitted by reliable narrators, then it would be accepted as valid, but if it was transmitted by unreliable people, then the narration was to be disregarded. Tabari says in a disclaimer in the introduction of his book:
“I shall likewise mention those (narrators) who came after them, giving additional information about them. I do this so that it can be clarified whose transmission (of traditions) is praised and whose information is transmitted, whose transmission is to be rejected and whose transmission is to be disregarded…The reader should know that with respect to all I have mentioned and made it a condition to set down in this book of mine, I rely upon traditions and reports which have been transmitted and which I attribute to their transmitters. I rely only very rarely upon (my own) rationality and internal thought processes. For no knowledge of the history of men of the past and of recent men and events is attainable by those who were not able to observe them and did not live in their time, except through information and transmission produced by informants and transmitters. This knowledge cannot be brought out by reason or produced by internal thought processes. This book of mine may contain some information mentioned by me on the authority of certain men of the past, which the reader may disapprove of and the listener may find detestable, because he can find nothing sound and no real meaning in it. In such cases, he should know that it is not my fault that such information comes to him, but the fault of someone who transmitted it to me. I HAVE MERELY REPORTED IT as it was reported to me.(Tareekh at-Tabari, Vol.1, Introduction)” [ http://www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/islam/tabari ]   
So this quote is a LIE against Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), not just that, but there were many lies invented by the hypocrites from among the Jews in order to REJECT prophet Muhammed. The people were certain that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the awaited one and to defend themselves, the hypocrites from the Jews invented such lies.
Inventing lies is not a big problem for the liars, this is their job. For example, the Prophet once recited some Surahs(verses from Quran) to the pagans in Makkah and prostrated to God Almighty at the end. The pagans who were speechless at the beauty of the recitation also prostrated. When the news spread to the leaders of the pagans, they were upset and were looking to take action against those pagans who had prostrated. In order to defend themselves, those pagans lied that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had said good things about their false gods. The lie was made to defend themselves.
If these Christians feel that the hypocrites were telling the truth and he really praised the pagan gods, then he must also accept the hypocrites around Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) who claimed the same for Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him).
Just like the hypocrites invented lies against the Prophets of the Old Testament (sinners, rapists, killers, incest performers, idol worshippers, nudists etc), they invented lies against Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) but the difference is that Muslims have rejected these hypocrites and have thrown them of their books .
Another thing, Muhammed peace be upon him was SINCERE, and he was called ”The Trustworthy” and “Truthful” before his prophethood, so how can he fabricate things on God, doesn’t make any sense, dose it ?!
Christians’ conclusion that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had Satan behind him just reminds one of the story of Lazarus when Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) raised him from death by the permission of God Almighty. The hypocrites around him stated that “the devil was behind him”. Such allegations have been labeled at Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as well and it is no surprise at all.
So this argument that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) openly said that he lied is just PATHETIC and CHILDISH as can be seen. Making use of the weakest of weak narrations is the job of the HYPOCRITES.
I bear witness there’s no god but Allah, and Muhammed is his final messenger..
And Allah knows the best..
 The Christians enjoy them self by cut and paste At-Tabari vol 6:111. They smile happy and think as if they are the winner. Check mate! They say.
What about At-Tabari 6:111?
This is it:
Our Prophet Muhammad said: “I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”.
They do not give us the whole words but only this. Why? Because they don’t want you to see the truth of the whole story.

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