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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2014, 02:16:05 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Ilir Ahmeti,

All of the stories of the Glorious Quran are 100% acceptable.  If Allah Almighty Willed for a Miracle to happen, and it is mentioned in the Holy Quran, then there is no argument about it.

The problem is in the hadith collections.  To me, what disagrees with the Holy Quran and with established science should be rejected.  I don't understand what is the big deal to flush out the false narrations when the collectors of the hadiths themselves did that before.  Did not Imam Ahmed choose his collection from what he claimed 1,000,000 hadiths?  That's one million.  I believe the number is too ridiculously high, and this is a lie on his mouth, but it is nonetheless there.  Similarly, did not Bukhari say that he chose his hadiths from 600,000?  That's six hundred thousand.  So why can't we today clean out the absurd lies and only take what agrees with the Holy Quran?

I've already proven from the Holy Quran that the Prophet's Hadiths are supposed to "detail" the Holy Quran.  So the Quran 100% supports this position.  I don't understand what more hadiths do we need besides the Hadiths that explain:

1-  The details of the Islamic rituals, such as how to pray, fast, do pilgrimage, what amounts to pay for zakat, etc...

2-  The Moral Code of Islam, which I myself was able to extract 195 of those from the Holy Quran.

I don't understand what else do we need from the Hadiths?  Why so much collections?  Like they say here in America:  You've got the milk, why buy the cow??

Do you really need a cow in your apartment or house?  Seriously, why have a vast collection of hate and divisions-generating hadiths and history when we could have a much better and simplified Islam that is more focused on Tawheed and Morality.  Isn't that what Iman is based on??  How many Noble Verses that Command believing in Allah Almighty and doing good and being righteous exist in the Holy Quran?  Countless!

Is that too much to ask?  Do we really need to read about how the Prophet lived, and what food he ate, and how he even used to do the #2 in using the bathroom (seriously!!), and how he had sex with his wives, and what dramas took place between his wives, and who was the hypocrite and who wasn't, and what dramas and conflicts took place between the Muslims, and what civil wars happened between them, and which side should you be on?  Do we need all of this rubbish?  And do we need the false narrations that wipe the floor with the Prophet and Islam, and even insult Allah Almighty and the Glorious Quran?  These last ones are my biggest problem.  I gave ample examples at:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

Do we need these absurdities in our religion?  Like I said, they couldn't penetrate the Glorious Quran, so they invented books and put them on the same level as the Quran, and injected all kinds of lies and poisons in them.

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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2014, 04:18:30 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2014, 09:39:38 AM »
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To me, what disagrees with the Holy Quran and with established science should be rejected.
The hadiths are not filled with things that either agree or contradict the Quran. There are a lot of things that are not mentioned in the Quran. Example: tattoos are haram in hadiths, but they are not mentioned in the Quran. Now, should we reject it or not? If you say that we should reject it, you are being unscientific because experts of hadith have accepted it as authentic for centuries, based on strong criterions. If you say that we should accept it, this means that not all hadiths talk about things mentioned in the Quran. This means that your standard of selecting hadiths is wrong.

Like the dajjal (anti-Christ) example that we discussed before, and it was demonstrated that the dajjal here falls under the evil dominance of Israel where it will rule the earth in "Mighty Heights" علوا كبيرا   of evil and power, the tattoos example could fall under the Islamic Morality that the Holy Quran detailed.  This is where we definitely need the Hadiths to help us detail and explain the Glorious Quran's Laws and Commands.  And this is exactly what Allah Almighty Said the Hadiths should do:

[016:044] (We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of dark prophecies; and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought.

Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm for the ample other Noble Verses and proofs.

So the Hadiths that deal with Morality could be categorized and be put under certain Quranic Laws.  But the hadiths and narrations that contradict the Holy Quran (ex: the Prophet got bewitched, when the Holy Quran ASSURES THE MUSLIMS that Muhammad was not bewitched), they belong to the garbage.

It's like me saying I assure everybody here on this board that Ilir Ahmeti is a person who doesn't commit Zina (fornication).  He is 100% clean from it.  I give my vote for him to be the Admin of this blog.  He WILL MAKE a great example for everybody.  In him, there is a great example for all of you to follow.  And then a week later Ilir Ahmeti is caught in bed with a prostitute!  Do you see how stupid and irrelevant and ridiculous my statement and ASSURANCE would be??

To really understand what I am talking about here, I invite you to visit: www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm.  I know you might be too influenced by the cultists from either the sunni or shia side, but I am also one that studied the Hadiths a lot and read the entire Glorious Quran and analyzed It thoroughly.  I can comfortably tell you that your cultists are dumb and ignorant about how Islam should be taught.  Have they let the Glorious Quran lead Islam, and have everything follow the Quran instead of it being the other way around, and everything be filtered by the Quran, then much of the chaos that this pathetic Ummah is suffering would've been long gone.  After all, did not Allah Almighty Say about the Holy Quran that It is "Muhaymin" مهيمن  ("Has all Authority above all", or "the dominant Book with the Highest Authority")?  See Noble Verse 5:48.

And last and not least, there are not absolutes.  Nothing is either all false or all true.  Like the Bible, the Hadiths do contain Truth in them.  But unfortunately, they also contain falsehood in them.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links


And to the reader, to see the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles of the Glorious Quran, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2014, 10:27:49 AM »
As-Salamu Alaikum Every one,


Brother Osama i do not like your tone, this is not fair and you are very offensive. If you disagre with some one than you just have to say I disagree with you but you are insulting others calling them Cultists, Making ridiculous examples is not fair. And Many people says that The island is some where in Bermuda Triangle. but i too do not agree with this so did i should call them cultists? Absolutely, No. Thanks
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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2014, 12:03:42 PM »
As-Salamu Alaikum Every one,


Brother Osama i do not like your tone, this is not fair and you are very offensive. If you disagre with some one than you just have to say I disagree with you but you are insulting others calling them Cultists, Making ridiculous examples is not fair. And Many people says that The island is some where in Bermuda Triangle. but i too do not agree with this so did i should call them cultists? Absolutely, No. Thanks

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother MuslimBoy,

Thank you for the valuable advice, dear brother, and I apologize if I have offended anyone.  I was referring to those who think they own and control Islam, and are willing to call you a heretic and an apostate for any reason.  I was also speaking about the problems of our Ummah and how we can solve its chaotic problems. 

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2014, 12:12:38 PM »
As-Salamu Alaikum Every one,


Brother Osama i do not like your tone, this is not fair and you are very offensive. If you disagre with some one than you just have to say I disagree with you but you are insulting others calling them Cultists, Making ridiculous examples is not fair. And Many people says that The island is some where in Bermuda Triangle. but i too do not agree with this so did i should call them cultists? Absolutely, No. Thanks

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother MuslimBoy,

Thank you for the valuable advice, dear brother, and I apologize if I have offended anyone.  I was referring to those who think they own and control Islam, and are willing to call you a heretic and an apostate for any reason.  I was also speaking about the problems of our Ummah and how we can solve its chaotic problems. 

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2014, 03:12:36 PM »
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Jinns are not flesh and blood.  They can't eat our dust and water and flesh and blood materials.
Evidence from Quran or Sunnah ? I didn't think so . I saw people denying things because they are physically - but NOT logically - impossible . The problem here is that it is neither physically OR logically impossible . And you're talking as if you met Jins and saw their structure and everything . I can safely say you didn't .

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Akhi, I read your sources and I am not convinced.  The Noble Verse that you mentioned in Arabic by the way is about Prophet Moses' Miracle when he turned the stick into a snake.  Peace be upon Prophet Moses.  It doesn't say that he got bewitched or anyone got bewitched.
OK , seriously , ARE YOU SERIOUS ?! How can anyone understand anything except that ?!

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65 They said, "O Moses, either you throw or we will be the first to throw." 66 He said, "Rather, you throw." And suddenly their ropes and staffs seemed to him from their magic that they were moving [like snakes].

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Your forcing your cult's nonsense into the Holy Quran to justify the crimes that had been injected in your "Sahih"
It seems the difference between us isn't some minor disagreement but rather in fundamental basics . And I won't ease for anyone when it comes to that .

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wipe the floor with:

1-  The Prophet of Islam.

2-  Aisha, the Prophet's wife.

3-  Claiming that the Holy Quran is corrupt, when Its Overwhelming Miraculous Text and Compilation and Miracles testify to the Holy Book's Divinity.
May the lord wipe the floor with YOU ! Don't you have the slightest jealousy or love for the prophet peace upon him to NOT insult him ?! I took insults directed at me from an ear and had them out of the other . But this is just outrageous to hear from supposedly Muslims . It's not OK to repeat - literally - the insult someone directed at you , but when it comes to Allah , Islam , and the prophet peace upon him , then that's sweet !!

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This sick and dumb
And you have the nerve talk about emotional rant ?

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Both of you are criminals!  Not all of your followers.  But this Ummah's problems come straight from both of your cults.  Like everyone here sees, you're willing to wipe the floor with Islam to save your false narrations.  This is not my Islam.  Far be it from me.
It is clear to everyone right now that this is no more a simple conversation . This is a battle between right and wrong . I CARELESS about Shia's . So slam them with the nearest wall if you want . The prophet peace upon him named the surviving group and said it's the one following him and his companions . So trying to insult someone with "Salafi" as in someone following the prophet peace upon him is like what the people of Lut peace upon him said :

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But the answer of his people was only that they said, "Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure."

And no one is threatening Islam except those who want it to match their personal liking . The ones who deny whatever there is if they can't comprehend "how" it's done . Just like the guy who denies the existence of the car because he doesn't understand how it can move without a horse pulling it . And evidence and proof are between us .

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You want to believe that Aisha used to have her sisters and nieces have their breasts get SUCKED BY GOWN MEN so she would become their "Aunt in Islam" and then have private sessions with them, then that's your BS.  I reject such garbage,
Since you decided to take it that low , don't expect any "Akhi" or "Brother" treatment . First of all , the main problem is your ignorance of what رضاع means in Arabic . I mentioned it in the last reply but it seems I'm talking to dead men here . Here's the explanation in qoutes :

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لا بد من توضيح شيء مهم جدا وهو :
ان معنى الرضاع لا يكون بالضروري التقام الثدي

ومنه قول الشاعر
وذموا لنا الدنيا وهم يرضعونها * * * أفاويق حتى ما يدر لها رسل

عن عائشة –رضى الله عنها- أن سالماً مولى أبى حذيفة كان مع أبى حذيفة
وأهله فى بيتهم فأتت (تعنى ابنة سهيل) النبى فقالت : إن فى نفس أبى حذيفة من ذلك شيئاً فقال لها النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : "ارضعيه تحرمى عليه، ويذهب الذى فى نفس أبى حذيفة" فرجعت، فقالت : إنى قد أرضعته، فذهب الذى فى نفس أبى حذيفة"

سؤال اذا كان أبوحذيفة رضي الله عنه في نفسه كراهة بوجود سالم فكيف يرضى ان يرضع بالتقام الثدي ؟؟
قال ابن عبد البر : صفة رضاع الكبير أن يحلب له اللبن ويسقاه، فأما أن تلقمه المرأة ثديها، فلا ينبغى عند أحد من العلماء
وقال عياض : ولعل سهلة حلبت لبنها فشربه من غير أن يمس ثديها، ولا التقت بشرتاهما، إذ لا يجوز رؤية الثدى، ولامسه ببعض الأعضاء.
قال الإمام الزرقاني : "وكأن القائلين بأن ظاهر الحديث أنه رضع من ثديها، لم يقفوا فى ذلك على شئ فقد روى ابن سعد عن الواقدى عن محمد بن عبد الله ابن أخى الزهري عن أبيه قال : كانت سهلة تحلب فى إناء قدر رضعته، فيشربه سالم فى كل يوم، حتى مضت خمسة أيام،فكان بعد ذلك يدخل عليها وهى حاسر،رخصة من رسول الله لسهلة"
وبهذا نستبعد أن الرضاع حصل بالملامسة ، للرواية من جهة ولرأي الجمهور من جهة أخرى .
فجمهور الصحابة على أن قصة سالم واقعة عين خاصة به، ولا يصح الاحتجاج بها لغيره، وتابع على ذلك جمهور علماء الأمة من التابعين فمن بعدهم، وانفردت عائشة –رضى الله عنها- مع قلة من الفقهاء منهم : عروة بن الزبير، وعطاء بن أبى رباح، والليث بن سعد، وابن علية، وغيرهم رأوا أن قصة سالم عامة، وأن إرضاع الكبير يثبت به التحريم وللكل وجهة نظر ودليل
ثم ان عائشة –رضى الله عنها- ومن قال بقولها من الفقهاء فرأوا أن قصة سالم عامة للمسلمين، لمن حصل له ضرورة : وللكل في هذا الخلاف وجهة نظر ودليل، ولم يكن لهذا الاختلاف بينهم أى أثر فى اعتقادهم صحة الحديث، الذى يحاول دعاة الفتنة وأدعياء العلم تضعيفه أو النيل من عدالة رواته، ومن أخرجه من الأئمة الأعلام فى كتبهم.

And these are some links about it :
http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/showthread.php?2641-%E3%E6%C7%CC%E5%C9-%C7%E1%D4%D1-%C7%E1%E3%D3%CA%D8%ED%D1-%CD%E6%E1-%E3%D3%C3%E1%C9-%D1%D6%C7%DA-%C7%E1%DF%C8%ED%D1&p=20787#post20787
http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/showthread.php?126-%C7%E1%D1%CF-%DA%E1%EC-%D4%C8%E5%C9-%D1%D6%C7%DA-%C7%E1%DF%C8%ED%D1
http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/showthread.php?9252-%C7%E1%D1%CF-%DA%E1%EC-%E3%E4-%D8%DA%E4-%DD%ED-%CD%CF%ED%CB-%C5%D1%D6%C7%DA-%C7%E1%DF%C8%ED%D1

Further more , that was an opinion by the mother of the believers may Allah be pleased of her and she was mistaken in it . What , you'll say she's divine and doesn't do anything wrong ? And even so , it doesn't touch her validity in any way .

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You want the wipe the floor with Islam and the Prophet of Islam for believing the poisonous lies about him got bewitched, then that's your nonsense and your problem.  This is not my Islam.  I don't believe a Jew (notice it's a Jew, not a pagan) stole a piece of hair from the Prophet, did abakadabra on it, then hid it under a rock and caused the Prophet to get bewitched for 1 full year is true.  I believe it is a false lie injected into Islam. 
It is your nonsense and load of garbage to deny the noble Quran where it says clearly that Moses peace upon him was bewitched .

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And while we're at it.  Has your cult been able to find the so-called chained dajjal in the "island"?  They inspected all of the Middle East's Islands and found non.  And so far, no Island in the entire world has any chained dajjal. 
Screw your inspections and satellites ! Do you view yourselves as Gods ?! Are you so foolish and deluded as to believe you can attain all the knowledge there is ?! What's the difference between that and the bloody Atheists ?! Just because you are utterly ignorant of something doesn't mean it's not ture ! Furthermore , whoever said he is chained on the Arabian Island ?!

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عَنْ أَبِي بَكْرٍ الصِّدِّيقِ - رَضِيَ الله عَنه - قَالَ: حَدَّثَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ - صلى الله عليه وسلم - قَالَ: ** الدَّجَّالُ يَخْرُجُ مِنْ أَرْضٍ بِالْمَشْرِقِ يُقَالُ لَهَا خُرَاسَانُ يَتْبَعُهُ أَقْوَامٌ كَأَنَّ وُجُوهَهُمْ الْمَجَانُّ الْمُطْرَقَةُ } حديث صحيح رواه الترمذي .

How can you be so deluded as to believe that they know ALL there is on Earth ?! They bloody don't know what's in their bloody noses !!  Day after day , they discover something new and admit they were wrong before . Time after time , they discover new islands here and there , in addition to islands surfacing from the bottom of the sea . And further more , this isn't even PHYSICALLY impossible . If your so called inspectors can know everything then NO ONE they chase would be able to hide . They wouldn't have chased criminals here and there . But it's just the disease of arrogance and the belief that your so called "logic" is supreme and can decide what's right and wrong in any way and any case . Add to that sheer ignorance of fundamental and important basics and rules in Islam which you see yourself higher than learning them .

And thus far , you only sprouted nonsense of "I don't believe , I don't think , that doesn't make sense" . Well screw your screwed sense ! If we refuse everything because mad men "don't find it logical" then we should forget life as we know it . You made your personal - lacking - abilities of comprehending the standard to decide right and wrong . You just ignored Quran , Sunnah , and any and everything else . All that matters is your personal "I don't think so" ! Your problem is deep to the core ! To the basics of the methodology ! And any non Muslim can just say "You claim this narration is wrong because it contradicts Quran ? Well I say it is true and it does contradict it and thus Islam is wrong" and BOTH of you are bloody wrong !! He's deluded and thinks it contradicts it . And you are full of arrogance to ask about what you can't understand ! And if your logic actually works , you should deny the whole Islam because Quran itself mentions things physically impossible but logically possible . A scholar once said something close to this :

قد يأتي القرآن بمحارات العقول و لكنه لا يأتي بمحالات العقول

And with a rough translation it becomes :

Quran might say things our minds are confused with , but it never says things impossible to logic .

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The problem is in the hadith collections.  To me, what disagrees with the Holy Quran and with established science should be rejected.
Well keep your nonsense to yourself ! Both Quran and Sunnah are revelations from the almighty . This basic knowledge we are taught in the first elementary year !

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I don't understand what is the big deal to flush out the false narrations when the collectors of the hadiths themselves did that before.
That's either a lie or ignorance . No scholar rejected anything based on his personal opinion . There is a whole science of narrations - that is the best humanity can have - which you see yourself too important to learn . A science that inspects a single alphabet or even the way that alphabet is said . With help o Allah , they were able use this science to know the true from forged . Fact is , they didn't need it at first , but with liars and unknown people here and there talking however they want , it was necessary or we would have become like Jews and Christians and their unknown writers . THAT'S how they deemed a narration weak or wrong . Claiming that they are forged means to call the whole body of scholars liars and conspirators . And I can almost swear that you don't have the smallest shred of knowledge about right and false narrations . It's just what you prefer that matters .

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Did not Imam Ahmed choose his collection from what he claimed 1,000,000 hadiths?  That's one million.  I believe the number is too ridiculously high, and this is a lie on his mouth, but it is nonetheless there.  Similarly, did not Bukhari say that he chose his hadiths from 600,000?  That's six hundred thousand.  So why can't we today clean out the absurd lies and only take what agrees with the Holy Quran?
Again , the thing of "I believe" goes to the nearest trash dumb . No science or form of knowledge follows this way . And it seems it would kill you to look over Google for a possible explanation . But nooooooooo "The great me can never misunderstand anything" apparently .

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Is that too much to ask?  Do we really need to read about how the Prophet lived, and what food he ate, and how he even used to do the #2 in using the bathroom (seriously!!), and how he had sex with his wives, and what dramas took place between his wives, and who was the hypocrite and who wasn't, and what dramas and conflicts took place between the Muslims, and what civil wars happened between them, and which side should you be on?  Do we need all of this rubbish?
Rubbish my foot ! This is called honesty and truthfulness ! We don't just shove everything aside because you mister "don't believe" it is necessary . Islam is a whole way of life . YES , it teaches you how to do a load of things in a right way even cleaning after using the bathroom . Or maybe you don't want it to teach people to use water in this case ? Oh wait , you DON'T DO THAT IN USA !! Your bathrooms don't have the basic and important thing called "water" to wash . And here's something just to shock you more about using the toilet while sitting :
http://www.babble.com/kid/10-reasons-why-you-should-teach-your-sons-to-pee-sitting-down/
http://mentalfloss.com/article/53154/should-men-sit-down-pee

There . You just had to make me show the other face . Insults against myself are meaningless . Absurd slanders and ridiculous claims against Allah and his prophet are the red line . You showed that your sole reason for rejecting whatever the flip you want to reject from Islam is your personal "I don't think , I don't believe , I believe" . That is , from the bottomline , meaningless in methodology and any form of knowledge .

So what now ? You'll ban me for inappropriate talk ? Check your own words again pal .

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2014, 10:25:12 PM »
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So what now ? You'll ban me for inappropriate talk ? Check your own words again pal .

LOL.  No.  You're too cute to be banned.  But seriously, did you even refute anything here, akhi "Black Muslim"??  Who is ranting here?  Me or you?

Keep believing that Bukhari memorized 600,000 hadiths, and Ahmed memorized 1,000,000 hadiths.  Keep believing in all of the nonsense that was injected into the books that you call sihah (saheeh books).  Like I said, they couldn't penetrate the Glorious Quran, so they instead invented books and put them on the same level as the Quran to damage Islam.  A sick conspiracy against Islam that Muslims are finally waking up to.

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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2014, 10:43:27 PM »
As to banning, I don't ban easily for it is a cowardly act to bully people, especially when you're holding the keys.  I only banned two shia pests here because:

1-  They were spreading lies on Islam.
2-  One of them was draining the other members' times with his lengthy and spammy posts, while the other requested it himself.

Otherwise, I don't ban.  You can tough talk me all you want.  I take all the heat.  LOL, owning this website from 1999 till now has made me immune pretty much all of the heat :).  I don't get made easily, if at all even.  So speak your mind freely, akhi "Black Muslim".  As long as we don't use actual foul words towards each others, then please speak your mind.  And when I get out of line and a brother or sister here calls me out on it, then I apologize if I am wrong.

And last and not least, I am commanded by Allah Almighty to be the most humble to Muslims:  "....   kind and humble to the believers ....  (The Noble Quran, 5:54)".  So it is a must upon all Muslims, especially the ones who hold positions of authority of any sort, to be the most humble.

Plus the Glorious Quran also commands us to walk in humbleness on earth, and to be humble with all people.  I've covered this at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm.

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2014, 06:06:03 AM »
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But seriously, did you even refute anything here, akhi "Black Muslim"??  Who is ranting here?  Me or you?
It is clearly you , both when it comes to manners and evidence .

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Keep believing that Bukhari memorized 600,000 hadiths, and Ahmed memorized 1,000,000 hadiths.
I don't know about this . But if it's true then it's true . It's not - AGAIN - physically or logically impossible . There are records of people memorizing a huge number of information . And if you take a look at this video - it has sources to what it says - then you'll see a guy able to memorize things the same as Google ! :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r331mHLncyE

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Keep believing in all of the nonsense that was injected into the books that you call sihah
Nonsense with what evidence or proof ? Nothing . THAT'S the point . Your replies are full of "I don't believe" and you don't back up a thing at all with proof of it . They're mere speculations and delusions . Not to mention that these weak delusions can be used to attack Quran itself . You keep saying they couldn't corrupt Quran . What reason do you have to believe that ? Because it says it is preserved ? Any person can say it is corrupted based on your line of thinking . Us on the other hand believe it is with proof and evidence the same way as Sunnah .

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Like I said, they couldn't penetrate the Glorious Quran, so they instead invented books and put them on the same level as the Quran to damage Islam.
A lie with horns as we would say . It seems we talk to dead men when we say that Sunnah is the second revelation after Quran which explains it and doesn't contradict it except in the heads of the foolish .

And why did you ignore everything I said ? I quoted every related thing you said and answered it one by one . Your core problem is that you appeal to emotional authority over everything . You refuse things JUST because you "don't believe" them . And I explained time and time again that the error is in your way of thinking . But rather , you take your words for a standard instead of the words of Allah and his prophet . Everything you object about is possible on the two scales I keep repeating but you "don't believe" it because it doesn't make sense to you .

And as I keep saying , I take an insult directed at me with an ear and take it out with the other . I don't bother with them . However , when it comes to Allah , his religion , his prophet , and his companions , then you'll find me ruthless for sure .

And if banning someone is a cowardly act , ignoring them is as cowardly . My post is still here unanswered .

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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2014, 11:28:45 AM »
Ok, since nothing of real substance was given here for rebuttal, and only emotional noise and emptiness, then I will end this debate from my end here.  But I want to make it clear to the reader that I am not a Sunnah and Hadiths rejecter.  These cultists are quick to make these empty assertions and noise, exactly like their empty cult that produces nothing but noise and filthy dirt.  Here is an example of their filth:

Have you guys settled the breast feeding of adult men issue yet?  Or are you still publically debating it?  Do not your sources say that Aisha used to have her nieces and sisters have grown men breast feed from their breasts so she would become their Aunt in Islam, and have private sessions with them?

To the reader, visit the following link to see where I stand on the collections and why:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

Until this Ummah flushes these cults, and the seculars along with them, down the toilet, not only it will never advance, but it will always suffer from their chaotic filth, exactly as we're seeing in Syria and Iraq and elsewhere.

Like I said:  They couldn't penetrate the Quran!  So they had to invent garbage and put it on the level of the Quran and damage Islam through it.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2014, 01:05:12 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

Brother "Black Muslim" wrote:

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لا بد من توضيح شيء مهم جدا وهو :
ان معنى الرضاع لا يكون بالضروري التقام الثدي

ومنه قول الشاعر
وذموا لنا الدنيا وهم يرضعونها * * * أفاويق حتى ما يدر لها رسل

عن عائشة –رضى الله عنها- أن سالماً مولى أبى حذيفة كان مع أبى حذيفة
وأهله فى بيتهم فأتت (تعنى ابنة سهيل) النبى فقالت : إن فى نفس أبى حذيفة من ذلك شيئاً فقال لها النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : "ارضعيه تحرمى عليه، ويذهب الذى فى نفس أبى حذيفة" فرجعت، فقالت : إنى قد أرضعته، فذهب الذى فى نفس أبى حذيفة"

سؤال اذا كان أبوحذيفة رضي الله عنه في نفسه كراهة بوجود سالم فكيف يرضى ان يرضع بالتقام الثدي ؟؟
قال ابن عبد البر : صفة رضاع الكبير أن يحلب له اللبن ويسقاه، فأما أن تلقمه المرأة ثديها، فلا ينبغى عند أحد من العلماء
وقال عياض : ولعل سهلة حلبت لبنها فشربه من غير أن يمس ثديها، ولا التقت بشرتاهما، إذ لا يجوز رؤية الثدى، ولامسه ببعض الأعضاء.
قال الإمام الزرقاني : "وكأن القائلين بأن ظاهر الحديث أنه رضع من ثديها، لم يقفوا فى ذلك على شئ فقد روى ابن سعد عن الواقدى عن محمد بن عبد الله ابن أخى الزهري عن أبيه قال : كانت سهلة تحلب فى إناء قدر رضعته، فيشربه سالم فى كل يوم، حتى مضت خمسة أيام،فكان بعد ذلك يدخل عليها وهى حاسر،رخصة من رسول الله لسهلة"
وبهذا نستبعد أن الرضاع حصل بالملامسة ، للرواية من جهة ولرأي الجمهور من جهة أخرى .
فجمهور الصحابة على أن قصة سالم واقعة عين خاصة به، ولا يصح الاحتجاج بها لغيره، وتابع على ذلك جمهور علماء الأمة من التابعين فمن بعدهم، وانفردت عائشة –رضى الله عنها- مع قلة من الفقهاء منهم : عروة بن الزبير، وعطاء بن أبى رباح، والليث بن سعد، وابن علية، وغيرهم رأوا أن قصة سالم عامة، وأن إرضاع الكبير يثبت به التحريم وللكل وجهة نظر ودليل
ثم ان عائشة –رضى الله عنها- ومن قال بقولها من الفقهاء فرأوا أن قصة سالم عامة للمسلمين، لمن حصل له ضرورة : وللكل في هذا الخلاف وجهة نظر ودليل، ولم يكن لهذا الاختلاف بينهم أى أثر فى اعتقادهم صحة الحديث، الذى يحاول دعاة الفتنة وأدعياء العلم تضعيفه أو النيل من عدالة رواته، ومن أخرجه من الأئمة الأعلام فى كتبهم.

He's basically given a silly opinion about the breast feeding of adults from some salafi "scholars".  They said that the breasts feeding doesn't have to be by physical contact between the man's mouth and the breast's nipple.  But from the debates I've seen between your "scholars", the woman who isn't even wet (she has dry breasts, because she didn't give birth) can still breast feed.  Putting your mouth in the breast and sucking makes her your foster mother!  Meanwhile, the Glorious Quran only allowed breast feeding for babies upto 2 years old, and if the mother goes dry, then hiring a wet foster mother is allowed to complete the two years for the baby.  It's in the same Noble Verse.  See my posts above.  But who cares about the Quran.  It is secondary.  Right "Black Muslims"?  Here is what the Prophet will say about your cult, along with the shia infidels, in the Day of Judgment:

[025:030]  And the Messenger will say, `O my Lord, my people indeed treated this Qur'an as a thing to be discarded.'

‏25:30 وقال الرسول يارب ان قومي اتخذوا هذا القران مهجورا

So again, until Muslims flush these garbage cults down the toilet, we will never advance.  I say it again and again and again:  They couldn't penetrate the Glorious Quran, so they had to create books and put them on the level of the Quran to damage Islam.

To the reader, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2014, 04:02:27 PM »
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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2014, 05:36:53 AM »
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I would advise brother BlackMuslim to be more respectful.
Again , insults against me pass as if they aren't there . But I would never remain silent while someone who's supposed to be a Muslim insults Allah and his prophet . Simple as that . If you want me to respect someone who does that , then the problem is with you . Not to mention how he went as low as to mention the disposals of the human body and such .

As for the acrobatic turn around Osama is making :

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He's basically given a silly opinion about the breast feeding of adults from some salafi "scholars".
Go ahead , call us pure the same way the people of Lut peace upon him hated him and his family for that .

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They said that the breasts feeding doesn't have to be by physical contact between the man's mouth and the breast's nipple.
And so does the Arabic language if you actually know it . See point 3 here :
http://www.almaany.com/home.php?language=arabic&lang_name=%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A&word=%D8%B1%D8%B6%D8%A7%D8%B9

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But from the debates I've seen between your "scholars", the woman who isn't even wet (she has dry breasts, because she didn't give birth) can still breast feed.  Putting your mouth in the breast and sucking makes her your foster mother!
This , is one of the most ridiculous ways I've seen in avoiding questions and distracting the topic . It has NOTHING to do with the case we're talking about in any way . You're basically saying "Oh look ! These people made a mistake in a completely non related topic ! Thus you're wrong !" . And let us suppose that you are actually telling the truth , they'd be talking about infants who become related by breastfeeding even though there isn't any actual milk . What does THAT have to do with anything ? And if you can get rid of a small portion of this arrogance toward asking those who know , have a look here to understand the conditions for breastfeeding to make a person "Mahram" to the other :
http://www.fjr-aleman.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2022
Yet again , your reasons for denying anything is your ignorance of it and your personal preference . You just spam the "Conspiracy" like those loons and you can't back your empty claims with anything of scientific value .

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But who cares about the Quran.  It is secondary.  Right "Black Muslims"?
I said I can take insults at me , but lying about me and putting words in my mouth about Islam is cheap and low and passing the line . Don't you agree , "Dead Man" ?

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So again, until Muslims (Bleep) we will never advance.
This , is an extremely STUPID line . Probably one of the most stupid in this topic . You go on about how "I studied the whooooooole Quran and Hadith and no one knows better than me" but you fail horribly at showing any of that . What advancement ? The Islamic nation is the only one which knew glory when it held to its teachings . When they worked with these narrations you despise so much that you might die , they advanced and ruled the world with the rule of Allah . That's what Abu Bakr , Umar , Uthman , Ali , may Allah be pleased of them did . Your battle is against them . That's a losing battle .

I honestly got very disappointed in you . Lying , ignoring , ranting without the slightest shred of evidence , denying what is necessarily known to every Muslim , and lack of manner when talking about Islam itself . And yet again , nothing you say holds an actual value . My answers are in a valley , and yours are on another planet .
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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2014, 09:19:48 PM »
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I honestly got very disappointed in you . Lying , ignoring , ranting without the slightest shred of evidence , denying what is necessarily known to every Muslim , and lack of manner when talking about Islam itself . And yet again , nothing you say holds an actual value . My answers are in a valley , and yours are on another planet .

While I strongly disagree with you, but I still love you as my brother in Islam, akhi "Black Muslim".

Take care,
Osama Abdallah