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Someone Should refute this.
« on: June 04, 2014, 12:09:59 PM »
As-Salamu Alaikum,

I :( think someone should refute the following link :

http://religionresearchinstitute.org/Mohammad/occultism.htm

Thanks
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Re: Someone Should refute this.
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2014, 03:30:55 PM »
I don't need to refute this.

It cites hadiths and not actual Quranic verses. Easy-->Hadiths are lies and fabrications. Problem solved.

/thread.

(by the way there is a TON of evidence showing that hadiths are lies and fabrications)

Edit: If you notice, this article uses Ibn HIsham's book quite often. Ibn Hisham did a biography of the prophet Muhammad's life long after the prophet died. What sources do you think he used to write that biography---->Hadiths/sayings/chinese whispers/rumors etc. etc.
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Re: Someone Should refute this.
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2014, 06:59:41 PM »
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I don't need to refute this.

It cites hadiths and not actual Quranic verses. Easy-->Hadiths are lies and fabrications. Problem solved.

Brother, using this EXTREME standard, you'll have to reject all history books as well.  You can't use this standard and expect to be taken seriously.  The Hadiths have A LOT OF TRUTH IN THEM.  We'll just have to use the Holy Quran to filter out the man-made garbage from them.  That's all.  I've detailed what Allah Almighty Said in the Holy Quran regarding all of this at:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm


Furthermore, if we reject all Hadiths, then we'll end up in very very bitter and ugly games of confusion and guess work.  This is what Allah Almighty Himself Said:

[003:007]  He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is a llegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except God. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

[016:089]  And remember the day when WE will raise up in every people a witness against them from among themselves, and WE will bring thee as a witness against all of them. And WE have sent down to thee the Book to explain everything and a guidance and a mercy and glad tidings to those who submit to ALLAH.

[075:019]  It is (also) Our responsibility to explain to you its meaning.


Quran-onlys are a deviant cult!

Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Someone Should refute this.
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2014, 07:53:49 PM »
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Brother, using this EXTREME standard, you'll have to reject all history books as well.  You can't use this standard and expect to be taken seriously.

Hello brother,
Ibn Hisham wrote this biography 200 years after the prophet's death. The sources he used are what he has heard about the prophet through things like sayings, maybe little fragments of writing and some hadiths. It is absolutely justified to reject this. Since I have seen tons of evidence of corruption in the hadiths and the flaw of accuracy in chains of narration, I reject all hadiths. Although I do agree that there may be elements/fragments of truth in them.


 
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The Hadiths have A LOT OF TRUTH IN THEM.  We'll just have to use the Holy Quran to filter out the man-made garbage from them.

If we are only going to accept the hadiths that agree with the Quran, then what is the point of hadiths?

By the way, hadiths can be wrong even if they don't contradict the Quran. In fact, many hadiths don't contradict the Quran that is because the subject of many hadiths is different from the Quran.

Example: "The prophet used to eat with his right hand". This doesn't contradict the Quran, but could very well be a lie.


 

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If we reject all Hadiths, then we'll end up in very very bitter and ugly games of confusion and guess work.  This is what Allah Almighty Himself Said:

Quite the contrary actually. If we reject hadiths, we accept the Quran.

Quran 45:6 These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe?

I underlined the word "these" to make it clearer. If I write a book and say "These are my sentences, don't believe in any other statement", it is clear that THESE sentences in my book are the only things to be beleived. The same applies to Quran 45:6, Allah tells us that these are Allah's verses and we cannot believe in any verses pertaining to Islam besides them


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[075:019]  It is (also) Our responsibility to explain to you its meaning.[/color]

Quran-onlys are a deviant cult!

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

You are assuming that when Allah says that he will explain the Quran's meaning, he is referring to using the prophet Muhammad/hadiths to explain the Quran. If this is the case, then how come we don't find a book that explains or provides a tafsir of every Quranic verse by the prophet Muhammad? Although I do agree the prophet Muhammad had a duty to explain the Quran, he didn't add his own teachings to it.

Secondly, the Quran informs us how Allah explains his verses and leaves no room for another book to explain the verses. Allah explains the Quran through the Quran! It is like me explaining my book in my sentences in my own book!

Here is an example:

"See how We explains the verses that they may understand." (6:65)

So Allah explains the verses in the Quran. That is how Allah explains the Quran, not through some other source.

It is Allah, who is the ‘Mufasir’ i.e commentator of the Qur’an, and the Tafsir of one verse was provided by the revelation of other verses which would throw light on the subject under discussion. Thus it is said:

"Ar-Rahmaan (The Beneficent God). It is He who teaches the Qur’an." (55:1-2)

Not only was the revelation, compilation and protection of the Book taken up by Allah himself, but also its explanation. As we are informed:

"Do not move your tongue with this (Qur'an) to make haste with it. Surely on Us (devolves) the collecting of it and the reciting of it. Therefore when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Again on Us (devolves) the explaining of it." (75:16-19)

Here Allah relieves the prophet from explaining the Quran and says the duty is on Allah.

Hence it is Allah who provides the Tafsir of His Book by <Tasreef ul Ayat>, that is, by repetition of verses. By explaining verses in the Quran through the Quran.

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Re: Someone Should refute this.
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2014, 03:19:02 AM »
Well, My main purpose of this post was to refute the claim "Muhammad's SAW Grandfather dug the Zam Zam Well"

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Re: Someone Should refute this.
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2014, 04:47:35 AM »
Well, My main purpose of this post was to refute the claim "Muhammad's SAW Grandfather dug the Zam Zam Well"
why to refute it ?

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Re: Someone Should refute this.
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2014, 07:00:46 AM »
Well, My main purpose of this post was to refute the claim "Muhammad's SAW Grandfather dug the Zam Zam Well"
why to refute it ?
Did not the Zam-Zam well was from the time of Hajar and Prophet Ismail?

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Re: Someone Should refute this.
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2014, 08:11:08 AM »
Did not the Zam-Zam well was from the time of Hajar and Prophet Ismail?
Yes
"The Well of Zamzam at that time was neglected since it had been buried and its landmarks were hidden completely. It continued to be so until `Abd Al-Muttalib Ibn Hashim, the grandfather of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, rediscovered it. "
http://www.onislam.net/content/english/hajj/landmarks/08.shtml

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Re: Someone Should refute this.
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2014, 09:34:45 AM »
Yes
"The Well of Zamzam at that time was neglected since it had been buried and its landmarks were hidden completely. It continued to be so until `Abd Al-Muttalib Ibn Hashim, the grandfather of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, rediscovered it. "
http://www.onislam.net/content/english/hajj/landmarks/08.shtml
Thanks for that Akhi.