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Offline JesusisGod

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Re: Trinity
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2015, 11:35:22 PM »
long time no write, but the thread was dead for awhile.just want to point out that the stealing for a dollar is aptly punished for an eternity in hell. It is an attitude that displays much more than what the action reveals. If I know God exists then why would i try to provide for myself in such an injust way. Should i not rather wait and trust in God. In stealing a dollar I also force another to follow in my footsteps because he will seek what is lost. I don't think the Quran goes too deep into the issue of sin and its consequences, and if it does few understand it. I have no idea how any person of faith can doubt the serious consequences of sin. The Bible and quran both teach Adam was kicked out of paradise for one sin. Furthermore only perfection is befitting of God, how can He stand imperfection in His presence without casting it out? We say God is holy for a reason. We are told that sin is the reason we die and if we cannot defeat sin then we all are destined to die which is true. Furthermore, sin spreads and were we allowed to enter heaven we would wreck it just the same based on what i see in this life. I worked at a place where managers were stealing money and that one wrong action lead to all sorts of injustices the owner cut hours and became militant because the amount he was making was not what was reflected in the use of products. many workers would have to cover for the managers while they counted money they stole which led to bad attitudes and poor customer service.One sin has dreadful consequences for all around why wouldn't it be punished eternally? It never gets better it will always continue to get worse.   People ask me why I became a christian compared to other religions and the answer is simple. Christianity has an answer to mankind's worst enemy which is death,the result of sin. No other religion deals with death,but Jesus God in human flesh defeats both death and sin guaranteeing eternal life in comparison any other so called god seems weak whether its Zeus or Vishnu in fact all deities seem to ignore death and the consequences of sin. would like to hear an Islamic perspective because the words that you post from the quran agree with my view of an eternal punishment. They say that allah is waiting to punish the evil doers till the final day the problem is we are all evil doers. If not merciful we would all die right now, or am i wrong? just want to point out again that mercy and justice cannot exist side by side a merciful judge is not a just judge.     

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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2015, 12:26:14 AM »
long time no write, but the thread was dead for awhile.just want to point out that the stealing for a dollar is aptly punished for an eternity in hell. It is an attitude that displays much more than what the action reveals. If I know God exists then why would i try to provide for myself in such an injust way. Should i not rather wait and trust in God.

the logic behind this is that : if one steal 1 dollar but him being a Christian, he can seek forgiveness by making confession to the selected ones by Holy Spirit that resides in churches. Thus when Jesus returns, there is this event called Rapture all of the living Christians and dead ones will enter heaven and have fun and playing around with their human God or 2nd God of Love.

in the case of non-Christian stealing 1 dollar, he ended up in eternity of hell.

Now in Islam, if you do good deeds and it outweigh the sins. You enter heaven.
And to those that have sins outweigh their good deeds, they will enter hell for appointed time before granted heaven (with the exception of  one sin that is making partners and equals to God after taking the covenant from Him),
Indeed He is the Most Merciful the Most Loving.

 
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2015, 08:38:34 AM »
The clearest proof from the Bible in my opinion is:

GOSPEL OF MARK, CHAPTER 10

"17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone."

This is 100% proof against trinity or Jesus being God.

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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2015, 06:00:28 PM »
Matter also exists in three solid liquid and gas. Nevertheless I believe the biggest and most easily recognizable to all of humanity is the family a family consists of children a mother and a father.
Matter also exist in other states like plasma and Bose–Einstein condensate.Didn't you do to school? ;) (Just a joke,don't take it serious)
Just visit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_matter  to learn a little about states of matter.
In a family sometimes there may be NO children;Sometimes MORE THAN 1;Sometimes include grand parents,grand children,great grand parents and great grand children,uncles and aunties,in-laws,etc.living together,in just a single family.Its more than 3 !  :)

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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2015, 05:50:32 AM »
You are not getting the whole doctrine of Trinity and shirk, bro Truthseeker!

There are mainly three states of matter- solid, liquid and gas.

Father is solid, as the ultimate power!
Son is liquid, walked on water!
Holy Spirit is gas, as it is a spirit!

But there are other states too.....

So Bose–Einstein condensate would be Melchizedek!!! Saying that he had no beginning and end is making him God- Nauzubillah!

As for other states.... one is for Mary worshiping, and the others are just empty slots in case if you want to make more gods!!!

Also mister Jesus, you are talking about classic physics- that of Newton. But that's only for explaining general things. That's not reality. The real physics is 'Relative Physics"- that of Einstein. And that says universe is 4D, not 3D with 1D time. Time and Space are not separate.

4D- as I said, the 4th place is for Melchizedek!

By the way, scientists say there may be more dimensions! Empty slots!

They want to prove trinity with science!.........so..........

Father=Son X Holy Spirit2 (E=mc2) [As the Father is greater than the son, born of Holy Spirit !!!]

Nonsense. is there anything simpler than "God is one and only one"?????
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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2015, 10:03:17 AM »
There are mainly three states of matter- solid, liquid and gas.
Father is solid, as the ultimate power!
Son is liquid, walked on water!
Holy Spirit is gas, as it is a spirit!

more like interchangeable-solid stuff.

their greek book states that "For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood;"

so blood is actually the Father since the Roman Christians view Father as an old man in heaven.
The Roman interpret humans were made from Gods appearance since Genesis 1 contains phrase  "Our image" so there at least two or all three gods were in human forms.

Which make all three or at least 2 as solid state.