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Offline Uzair Ahmed

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« on: August 03, 2014, 04:33:05 AM »
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We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qasim, you have communicated (God's Message to us). The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: I want this (i. e. you should admit that God's Message has been communicated to you), accept Islam and you would be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qisim, you have communicated (Allah's Message). The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: I want this... - He said to them (the same words) the third time (and on getting the same reply) he added: You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I wish that I should expel you from this land Those of you who have any property with them should sell it, otherwise they should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (and they may have to go away leaving everything behind).

Sahih Muslim Book 19 Number 4363

We see in this Hadith that "Accept Islam and be Safe" & "This World belongs to Allah and his Apostle"

Now a Christian asked me that if in Islam there is no compulsion in religion so why the Prophet said "Accept Islam and be safe" and why the Prophet is making equal with God by saying "The world belongs to Allah and his apostle"

Waiting for an best answer.
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2014, 05:16:32 AM »
After the Jews' betrayal to the Prophet peace be upon him, it became necessary to punish them and cleanse them out of the Holy Lands:

 Prophet Muhammad's Model of Coexistence:
The Prophet of Islam and the Jews (Part 2)
(Basis of Conduct, Acceptance, Respect and Cooperation)
http://www.onislam.net/english/reading-islam/research-studies/comparative-religion/465519-the-prophet-of-islam-and-the-jews-part-2-.html

The Arabic word for earth is الْأَرْضِ. Dr. Zaghloul El-Naggar states:

 

The word 'Earth' recurs in the Glorious Qur'an and in the Prophet's Ahadith referring to three other meanings according to the context. Sometimes it refers to the whole planet and at other times, to the dry mass on which we live, while at some other times, it indicates the topsoil covering the dry land rocks. (Dr. Zaghloul El-Naggar, Mountains to Stabilize the Earth, Source)

 

For instance, we know that the Arabic word used for Earth الْأَرْضِ is used in Surah 2:61 to refer to land mass and not the entire planet. Or in Surah 2:71 we see that the cow being described to the Israelites is one that wonders on the Earth الْأَرْضِ, but the context obviously shows that the cow is wondering in a specific area close by and not that it could be wondering anywhere on planet Earth. Or in Surah 4:97 where the oppressed believers tell the angels that they were oppressed on Earth الْأَرْضِ, but the context denotes that they were referring to the specific land that they were residing in.

 

There are many other examples that I can provide, but I believe that the above examples suffice to show that context is important when wanting to know the meaning of a word. So the Arabic word الْأَرْضِ does not only refer to the entire planet Earth, it could also refer to a certain area or piece of land.

 

I believe that the context of the hadith is clear that the Prophet (peace be upon him) was specifically talking about the land that the Jews were residing. The land belonging to "Allah and His Messenger" implies that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) will rule the land according to the laws of Allah.
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_shamoun_on_monotheism_10

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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2014, 11:44:35 AM »
Thanks for your answer.

#Question 2
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Salahuddin, I suggest you read the accomplishments of a prominent Greek physician, surgeon and philosopher in the Roman empire name Claudius Galenus or Galen - born AD 129. He was the most accomplished of all medical researchers of antiquity. He was also before Mohammed.

From the Quran:
Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); Then we placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood, then of that clot We made a (fetus) lump, then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, The Best to create!"

From Galen:
But when it has been filled with blood (Arabic Alaqa), and heart, brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped yet have by now a certain solidarity and considerable size, this is the second period; the substance of the foetus has the form of flesh and no longer the form of semen.

This means that the reproductive system was already told by Galen before the Quran.So it means its not a miracle :(

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2014, 01:40:50 AM »
Thanks for your answer.

#Question 2
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Salahuddin, I suggest you read the accomplishments of a prominent Greek physician, surgeon and philosopher in the Roman empire name Claudius Galenus or Galen - born AD 129. He was the most accomplished of all medical researchers of antiquity. He was also before Mohammed.

From the Quran:
Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); Then we placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood, then of that clot We made a (fetus) lump, then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, The Best to create!"

From Galen:
But when it has been filled with blood (Arabic Alaqa), and heart, brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped yet have by now a certain solidarity and considerable size, this is the second period; the substance of the foetus has the form of flesh and no longer the form of semen.

This means that the reproductive system was already told by Galen before the Quran.So it means its not a miracle :(

answer
http://www.islamicwritings.org/quran/medical-miracles/does-the-quran-plagiarise-ancient-greek-embryology/

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Re: Questions Posted by a Critics
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2014, 08:14:29 AM »
Jazakallah Khair Dawud :) Thank you ;)

#Question 4
Now here are some small questions that are not posted by critics but are by me now the question is that from my childhood i have been listening that " Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) forgave that women who always threw trash and when she got ill the Prophet visited her and she accepted Islam" and the other is that The Prophet once went to Taif and there people threw stones and they threw stones so much that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) whole shoes were filled with blood and he forgave them


So i need these Hadiths please and if they are any more regarding love with children and enemies then please also provide those too.

#Question 5

Here is a video https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152782775073268&set=vb.40203553267&type=2&theater

In This video the Prophet told these incidents will happen regarding ISIS and Syria but i never heard the name of these Hadith like

1 . (al-Ghaybah Nomani, p. 228) and (Hadith from the Compilation of Jalâleddin Suyuti, The Portents of the Mahdi of the End Times, p.61, hadith no. 7.77)

Are they really Hadiths or something else?

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2014, 10:39:05 AM »
Peace,
Also note that the prophet said, "Aslimoo taslamoo", which literally means "accept islam and you will be be at peace". It is not necessarily a threat and remember, the prophet did not attack the jews until only after there betrayal, and even then he only attacked the tribes that betrayed him at that particular situation.
Bismikaallahuma gives a great analysis on the prophet's (PBUH) treatment of the jews.
Thanks,
Peace

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2014, 11:49:56 AM »
Here is something which critic posted and i tried to search on "Answering Christianity" regarding this issue but i could not find i will quote his comments

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Manches before you declare something is a lie check your facts. Please read Hadith No 16245 Volume title The Sayings of the Syrians, Chapter title Hadith of Muawiya Ibn Abu Sufyan, another hadith Majma al-Zawa'd, Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami 299/9 Sahih Al-Bukhari vol 1 Book 4 No 153. ALL fully validated by Islamic scholars. When you have read them let me know. Muhammed was indeed a child molester.

AND AFTER SOME MINUTES ( SECOND COMMENT )
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“And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.”

Hadith Number 16245, Volume Title: “The Sayings of the Syrians,” Chapter Title: “Hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan”:

“I saw the prophet – pbuh – sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the
prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire)

He (the Prophet) lift up his (al Hassan’s) shirt and kissed his (little) penis..”
روى أنه صلى الله عليه و سلم قبل زبيبة الحسن أو الحسين
He (the prophet) kissed the (little) penis of al Hassan or al Husein
رأيت النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
He (the prophet) put Husein’s legs apart and kissed his (little) penis

Another Hadith. Majma al-Zawa’id, Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, 299/9 مجمع الزوائد لعلي بن أبى بكر الهيثمي

رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
رواه الطبراني و إسناده حسن
translated into English: “I saw the Messenger of Allah pbuh putting Husein’s legs apart and kissing his (little) penis.”

So i need a good refutation from Dawud,MuslimGuy,Sama or Osama

Peace :)

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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2014, 03:36:47 PM »
AsalamuAlaikum,

Your post is confusing. What is the source of these "Ahadith".

Is it Majmu Al-Zawaid or Bukhari?

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2014, 03:51:50 PM »
Does some reading. The hadeeth is Musnad Ahmad #16245.

Will look into it.

For now read:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/explaining-tongue-sucking-hadith.html

However the person as copy and pasted stuff.

And it is very suspicious.

The narrations are from books that are not 100% Saheeh. So the narrations need grading.

This narration here:

رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
رواه الطبراني و إسناده حسن
translated into English: “I saw the Messenger of Allah pbuh putting Husein’s legs apart and kissing his (little) penis.”

Is just weak. Reported At-Tabari in his Al-Kubra (2658 ،12615)
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فيه قابوس بن أبى ظبيان الجنبى الكوفى: لين الحديث
عن يحيى بن معين : ضعيف الحديث .
و قال أحمد بن سعد بن أبى مريم ، عن يحيى بن معين : ثقة جائز الحديث إلا أن
أبى ليلى جلده الحد .
و قال الساجى : ليس بثبت ، يقدم عليا على عثمان ، جاء إلى ابن أبى ليلى فشهد عليه عنده فى قضية ، فحمل عليه ابن أبى ليلى فضربه
و قال أبو حاتم : يكتب حديثه ، و لا يحتج به .
و قال النسائى : ليس بالقوى ، ضعيف .
و قال أبو أحمد بن عدى : أرجو أنه لا بأس به .
و قال البرقانى ، عن الدارقطنى : ضعيف ، و لكن لا يترك .
و قال ابن حبان : كان ردىء الحفظ ، ينفرد عن أبيه بما لا أصل له ، فربما رفع

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showthread.php?t=205706
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That above is a list of scholars saying it is weak and un-authentic.

عن يحيى بن معين : ضعيف الحديث

From yahya ibn Mu'in : Da'if (Weak) hadeeth.

و قال النسائى : ليس بالقوى ، ضعيف

An-Nasai said: ليس بالقوى , Da'if (weak)

Etc etc

The list of scholars that say its weak is numerous.

read:

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showthread.php?t=205706

This makes me questions those hadeeth shared.

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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2014, 10:50:08 AM »
Okay can you answer #Question 4 & 5 ?


( I Will keep updating this topic and will post some small questions made by critics here,so stay tuned ! )

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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2014, 04:21:16 PM »
Jazakallah Khair Dawud :) Thank you ;)

#Question 4
Now here are some small questions that are not posted by critics but are by me now the question is that from my childhood i have been listening that " Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) forgave that women who always threw trash and when she got ill the Prophet visited her and she accepted Islam" and the other is that The Prophet once went to Taif and there people threw stones and they threw stones so much that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) whole shoes were filled with blood and he forgave them


So i need these Hadiths please and if they are any more regarding love with children and enemies then please also provide those too.


For the story of the woman and the trash. I have personally never been able to find the hadeeths for this. Although it is a famous story.

The story of Ta'if is narrated in many ahadith and including in all the works of history including Al-Bidayah Wa Niyahah by Ibn Kathir.

Because of like of time one can read Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum - The Sealed Nectar p.162 onwards.

p.136 in this addition:

http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/the-sealed-nectar.pdf

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#Question 5

Here is a video https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152782775073268&set=vb.40203553267&type=2&theater

In This video the Prophet told these incidents will happen regarding ISIS and Syria but i never heard the name of these Hadith like

1 . (al-Ghaybah Nomani, p. 228) and (Hadith from the Compilation of Jalâleddin Suyuti, The Portents of the Mahdi of the End Times, p.61, hadith no. 7.77)

Are they really Hadiths or something else?

Allah Knows Best.

They appear to be taken from books that discuss the end times. Such as the book by Suyuti.

However if all those hadeeth are authentic I dont know.

Black banners is mentioned in many hadeeth such as:

http://www.sunnah.com/urn/1291820

http://www.sunnah.com/urn/1291840

But I dont know there authenticity.

Allah Knows Best.

Im revising for an exam atm. In shaa Allah I can help more after.

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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2014, 04:38:05 PM »
Thanks for your answer.

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Salahuddin, I suggest you read the accomplishments of a prominent Greek physician, surgeon and philosopher in the Roman empire name Claudius Galenus or Galen - born AD 129. He was the most accomplished of all medical researchers of antiquity. He was also before Mohammed.

From the Quran:
Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); Then we placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood, then of that clot We made a (fetus) lump, then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, The Best to create!"

From Galen:
But when it has been filled with blood (Arabic Alaqa), and heart, brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped yet have by now a certain solidarity and considerable size, this is the second period; the substance of the foetus has the form of flesh and no longer the form of semen.

This means that the reproductive system was already told by Galen before the Quran.So it means its not a miracle :(

AsalamuAlaikum,

For now read:

http://islampapers.com/2011/10/02/does-the-quran-plagiarse-ancient-greek-embryology/

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/prophetic-studies/did-the-prophet-muhammad-plagiarise-hellenic-embryology/

And watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdlIs0sgMx4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX9vZr6Zxis

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2014, 10:16:12 AM »
#Question 6

Assalam-Alaykum
A Christian is saying me that "Muhammad had slaves but Jesus who lived many years before Muhammad did not had any slave so who is the nearer and pure in the eyes of God?"

So what should i reply him? Till now i already told him that Prophet Muhammad treated slaves with kindness and love and they were not slaves like him but there own Muslim brothers

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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2014, 06:17:10 PM »
Assalam-Alaykum
A Christian is saying me that "Muhammad had slaves but Jesus who lived many years before Muhammad did not had any slave so who is the nearer and pure in the eyes of God?"

So what should i reply him? Till now i already told him that Prophet Muhammad treated slaves with kindness and love and they were not slaves like him but there own Muslim brothers

I find such logic faulty.

As if one reads the Bible. You find many places Prophets taking slaves and owning slaves. And rules for owning slaves.

Is the person proposing that Moses, Aaron, Joshua etc are not close in the eyes of god as they took slaves?