Author Topic: Archbishop Voscan Erewanci (1614-1674) put Prophet's Ahmad name in Isaiah 42:10  (Read 40478 times)

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Idris to all brothers and sisters,

Keep up the great research and work, dear brother Idris.  Your work is amazing!  Insha'Allah it will be read by many.  I will also link it to the website soon, Insha'Allah, along with other brothers' works as well that are in my que.

May Allah Almighty greatly bless you, akhi.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Idris to all brothers and sisters,

Keep up the great research and work, dear brother Idris.  Your work is amazing!  Insha'Allah it will be read by many.  I will also link it to the website soon, Insha'Allah, along with other brothers' works as well that are in my que.

May Allah Almighty greatly bless you, akhi.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Salam Aleykom,

Thank you brother Osama, I knew that you will appreciate my efforts. Forgive me for my English grammar, since I live in Poland but I'm trying as much as I can. I love discovering new informations concerning prophecies of Muhammad (pbuh) in the Bible. I'm planning to publish insha'Allah probably the most detailed research ever made on this subject in polish language. Please, pray for me brother. Once I finish my work I'll share with you my newly findings (beforehand booking copyrights of course!) that's why I need your help :)

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As'salamu Alaikum dear everyone,

Here is the image that I have on my website regarding Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) prophetic name, Ahmed, being found in the Dead Sea Scrolls:



Click on the image to read the article and see the video-source of where it came from.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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As'salamu Alaikum dear everyone,

Here is the image that I have on my website regarding Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) prophetic name, Ahmed, being found in the Dead Sea Scrolls:



Click on the image to read the article and see the video-source of where it came from.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Salam Aleykom,

I'm afraid my brother, that the picture you've put in the web site does not include Ahmad. The highlighted word is atmokh, not ahmad as I show in the previous photos ! You should replace it with that one I’ve published since yours does not contain ahmad. One must be very carrefuly in hebrew...I've wached this video before brother but I get the feeling that author is actualy tries to force the reader to believe that ahmad exists in the Great Isaiah Scroll! With all due respect to him and his video but this is a nonsense. Explanation (Fred Miller):

Line 10: 3rd word Q = same word but a change in spelling. The word “tamak” (to hold up or support) imp 1cs in Q is 'ethmokah’ in M is 'etmak’.

M = masoretic text
Q = Qumran text

Remember the arabic book that I've found some day ? For detailed analysis of that word read the pages 45-48 from that book:

https://ia601605.us.archive.org/21/items/AlmasehNet/almaseh_net.pdf

That's why I ask you to help finding the source from the author of the book above. Only he know where to search...he didn't replied yet but we must try until he answer on our messages. (his email: alfaqeer974@yahoo.com). So write to him, try to find any contact with him, number phone etc. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT NOW!

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Idris,

The brother who put together the video, which is in the link that the image takes you to, has pointed out the misspelling and has demonstrated how the original word is "Ahmed" and not "Etmak".  Click on the video and see it akhi.  It will help you, Insha'Allah.

May Allah Almighty bless you for all of your efforts and passion.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Idris,

Here is a small finding that I got from the PDF file and from some of the references that were given:



To the reader, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm.  Feel free to add more questions.  This is like brother Idris said: Is "really important".

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Osama Abdallah

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One thing is bothering me, namely from where brother Abdullah ben Isa El Abd' al'Jabbar takes the image in which Ahmad is mentioned...I'm talking about the image below (fourth photo from the top):

that image you post is an edited image of what the author assumed to be the true word. Its is actually etmokah being edited for purpose of comparison. He just deleted the last letter and adjust the shape of 2 more internal letters.

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One thing is bothering me, namely from where brother Abdullah ben Isa El Abd' al'Jabbar takes the image in which Ahmad is mentioned...I'm talking about the image below (fourth photo from the top):

that image you post is an edited image of what the author assumed to be the true word. Its is actually etmokah being edited for purpose of comparison. He just deleted the last letter and adjust the shape of 2 more internal letters.

Salam,

How do you know my brother, that this image has been edited? The author of that book, under the fourth photo said in arabic that "based on that 'etmak' was originally 'ahmad' in the previous copy of the scroll" or perhaps I'm wrong ? What made you think that it is an edited image ?

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there is only one source of dead sea scroll made available online (scroll A). http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah#42:1

there is another scroll called Isaiah Dead Sea (scroll B). however copy B is not made available online due to is fragile condition.

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this is the image used by the author, basically i 'print screen' the page from the link above and crop it to the exact same portion, if you look carefully at the images posted by the author the surrounding letters are the same
 only the portion e/t/m/o/k/h gets rearranged to e/h/m/a/d .

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Thank you brother one more time. I will ask them insha'Allah ! May Allah bless you for your help.


As a last resort, send that screenshot to them:
http://www.proz.com/translator-directory/?sp=directory&to=eng&from=arm&mode=view&specific=123

Standard rates are:
http://www.translatebyhumans.com/armenian-to-english-translation

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Idris to all brothers and sisters,

Keep up the great research and work, dear brother Idris.  Your work is amazing!  Insha'Allah it will be read by many.  I will also link it to the website soon, Insha'Allah, along with other brothers' works as well that are in my que.

May Allah Almighty greatly bless you, akhi.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


Walikum Asalaam

Just so you know, we first need to verify those claims!
The text is ancient and i don't seriously think that any average armenian would be able to translate it.

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there is only one source of dead sea scroll made available online (scroll A). http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah#42:1

there is another scroll called Isaiah Dead Sea (scroll B). however copy B is not made available online due to is fragile condition.

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this is the image used by the author, basically i 'print screen' the page from the link above and crop it to the exact same portion, if you look carefully at the images posted by the author the surrounding letters are the same
 only the portion e/t/m/o/k/h gets rearranged to e/h/m/a/d .



It's true that the surrounding letters are the same but please note the distance between kaph and bet comparing the third and fourth photo from the top. The distances are not the same. You can clearly see...in the third photo there is more spaces between kaph and the next word (i.e. bo'behiri...) than that one from the fourth photo. Besides, why the author wrote under the fourth photo "Based ON THAT, 'etmak' was originally 'ahmad' in the previous copy [of the scroll]" implying that this is a photo from a distinct scroll and he used it as the last blow! I can not believe that he edited the image just like that. Brother Osama am I wrong ?
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