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Offline AhmadFarooq

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Sun set in muddy water
« on: November 11, 2015, 12:59:21 pm »
Asslam-o-Alaikum,

In the rebuttal here:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/mahir/scientific_errors_rebuttal.htm
It is written that the following narration is not authentic:
Narrated Abu Dharr:
I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah).
(Sunan Abi Dawud 4002)

But according to sunnah.com it is classified as "Sahih in chain".
http://www.sunnah.com/abudawud/32/34

Can you explain this apparent contradiction, or whatever is the difference?

Thanks.

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Re: Sun set in muddy water
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2015, 07:04:19 am »
term sun set means whats being seen from earth. just like hadith of sun sets on horn of satan. As satan himself is on earth. muddy water or spring of warm water will be somewhere on earth.

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Re: Sun set in muddy water
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2015, 12:16:41 pm »
Thanks for the reply.

I was concerned primarily with the rebuttal here:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/mahir/scientific_errors_rebuttal.htm

Apparently there are two mistakes in that part of the rebuttal.
  • The Hadeeth is actually authentic.
  • Unlike the article suggests, this Hadeeth is present in Sunan Abi Dawud.
Can you clarify these issues? If these are indeed mistakes, then the rebuttal should be updated to prevent other Muslims from making the same mistake as I have seen one such mistake made in the comments section of a YouTube video.

Regards.

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Re: Sun set in muddy water
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2015, 01:03:48 pm »
Update:

In my above reply, by "authentic" I mean "Sahih in chain".
It would be better to update the original rebuttal to include the possible differences between "Sahih in chain" and reliable Hadeeth.
A relevant article on this matter is present here:
http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2012/09/weak-hadith-sun-spring-warm-water.html


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Re: Sun set in muddy water
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2017, 05:14:44 pm »
Hmmmm.....Interesting.

Ghuraba ,gharabeeba sood ....black,intensely black or crow.
Ghrb is for apparent darkening of the sun for us.
Simpler up till now.

Now,what is for the part of the earth where people are experiencing ghuroob or so called sunset?What would be the condition of the oceans over there?The temperature over there?

I found El Nino and corioles effects to be relevant.


http://utahscience.oremjr.alpine.k12.ut.us/sciber06/9th/stand_6/html/6_2d.htm
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-el-ni-o-definition-effects-quiz.html


Anyone good in geography here?

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Re: Sun set in muddy water
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2017, 08:46:59 pm »
Interesting points, sister Tazeen.  Jazaki Allah Khayr.  Ameen.

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Osama Abdallah