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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2016, 10:26:38 am »

Salam,

Sorry, I forget to include the links to the photos from the above post.

link to the last two black & white photos from Dr. Miller's website:

http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qum-8.htm

link to the first two color photos [as always]:

http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah

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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2016, 08:33:24 am »
As-Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

my next post will confirm insha'Allah in 100 % that the Isaiah scroll - which is claimed to have 2000 years - is actually not authentic !

Take care, and Salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)

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Re: Is something wrong with the Great Isaiah Scroll ?
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2016, 12:25:44 pm »
As-Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

my next post will confirm insha'Allah in 100 % that the Isaiah scroll - which is claimed to have 2000 years - is actually not authentic !

Take care, and Salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)

Wa Alaikum As'salam Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh dear brother Ahmed,

Keep up the great work, akhi.  May Allah Almighty greatly bless you.  Ameen.

Take care,
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2016, 07:35:20 pm »
As-Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

here is my post which shows in details a controversial differences in text between the two photos of Isaiah scroll.

NOTE: Lines of reference points have been marked as "RP1" and "RP2" [they are not to be confused with the regular or standard lines, which are related only to the text]. Those lines of reference role-play here an essential factors and will prove to be very important in the following analysis, since they will allow us [by following the hashtag] to observe the curvature of the text on both photos.
The photos have been very carefully captured [their size is almost identical and covers the same space]. Instead of scrolling up and down I suggest to download or simply copy the photos and [while browsing them on your PC screen] change one picture with the other, since it is the fastest and the most convenient way of comparing the details.

Isaiah 41:23-41:29
Column XXXV, lines 1-9

Photo from DSS website [inversion color]



link: http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah

Black & White photo from Dr. Miller's website [inversion color]



link: http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qum35.jpg


Observation 1

a) Line 1: Notice the difference in writing between the letter ל (lamed) and the 5th word אלוהים (elohim). Compare it on both photos. In the black and white photo ל (lamed) has a curved head, while the same ל (lamed) from Digital DSS website has a straight head. The differences are underlined in green.

b) Line 1: Notice a small point of the ink above the final-form ם (mem) in the 5th word אלוהים (elohim). In the black and white photo there is no trace of any point or dot of ink. I have indicated it by a yellow cloud in the photo from DSS website.

c) Line RP #1 and RP #2: Notice these two dashed lines in red and observe how the text goes in both photos. You can clearly see that the text in the photo from DSS website goes straight ahead, while the text from the black and white photo [in Dr. Miller’s website] runs awry, in result the dashed lines RP #1 and RP #2 overlap through the text.

Observation 2

Line 3: Notice how the third letter is written together with fourth letter of the last word ויבואו (veyabo’au). In the black and white photo ו (waw) from the same word is different, since is not glued with ב (bet) and it appears to be a separate element. The differences are underlined in green.

Observation 3

a) Line 4: Notice the difference in writing between the letter ד (dalet) in the ninth word הגיד (higid). Compare it on both photos. Its tail has a different shapes. Underlined in green.

b) Line RP #3: Notice this dashed line in red and observe how the text goes on both photos. You can see the similar case as in line RP #1 and RP # 2, i.e. the text from DSS website goes straight ahead, while the text from the black and white photo runs awry.

Observation 4

a) Line 5: Notice the distance between the point of ink and מ (mem) [i.e. the first letter from the first word מלפנים]. Compare this distance in the same line from the black and white photo. You can see that the distances from both photos are not the same [marked in an area with blue outline]

b) Line 5: Compare ד (dalet) and ע (ayn) from the word שומע (shome’a). The differences are underlined in green.

c) Line RP #4 and RP #5: Notice these two dashed lines in red and observe the location of the word אמריכםה (amerikemah)* [line 6, first word] inside of these two previously mentioned lines. Notice that both red lines in both photos are marked in accordance to the same particular points of the same particular letters. RP #4 is set down according to ן (nun) i.e. the lowest point of the word אין (ein) located in line 5, fifth word. RP #5 is set down according to ל (lamed) i.e. the highest point of the word ומאלה (ume’elleh), located in line 6, the last word. You will see that the word אמריכםה (amerikemah) in the photo from DSS website is out of it’s position, passing through the dashed red line RP #5.

* put this Hebrew word in Google translator and see the result (but do not take it seriously, perhaps it is some kind of joke)

Observation 5

a) Line 9: Notice the distance between the word ותוהו (vatohu) [the first word] and the word יואמר (yo’amar) in the same line, from the previous Column. Compare this distance from both photos. The distances are not the same [marked in an area with blue outline].

b) Line 9: Notice the fragment of (lamed) In the photo from DSS website, lamed passes through the line RP #7, while lamed from the black and white photo do not even touch this red dashed line [marked in an area with blue outline].

Conclusion ?

The text from both photos is not the same (despite the fact that is written very similar, but as you have seen still not identical). Let me share with you now something interesting. Yesterday I had an email conversation with Dr. Miller, and when I showed to him some examples of strange alterations, he has answered me the following:

“There are many problems with the DSS differences in different publications of the scrolls that are never answered!. Neil Altman of Philadelphia is the true expert on this subject. No email, but has a listed phone, also see my page on differences etc. here http://www.moellerhaus.com/Controversy/Controversy.htm   Dr. Fred P. Miller

I was surprised that he knew about it and admits that indeed there are many problematic differences between various publications of DSS in general (not only Isaiah scroll !). Respect for that Christian scholar!

You should know that the passages that were analyzed comes from Column XXXV, where begins the 42 chapter of Isaiah (where was mentioned Ahmad). The details by no means are not end here. I will explain you in my next post to what I strive. I apologize if I forgot about some details concerning the photos.


Take care, and Salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)
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Re: Is something wrong with the Great Isaiah Scroll ?
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2016, 05:40:09 pm »
As-Salamu Aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

Regarding my last post here, if somebody still does not understand what those analysis supposed to mean, then realize that the same text from both photos was REWRITTEN at least twice! It is so obvious. And this is what they called the Great Isaiah Scroll from 2 century B.C. Liars ! That’s why Allah has revealed about some group of the Jews:

Sahih International Translation:

“So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.”  (Quran 2:79)

They do it again... they will never learn. Also in sura 6:91 Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala have exposed them:

Muhsin Khan Translation:

They (the Jews, Quraish pagans, idolaters, etc.) did not estimate Allah with an estimation due to Him when they said: "Nothing did Allah send down to any human being (by inspiration)." Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Who then sent down the Book which Musa (Moses) brought, a light and a guidance to mankind which you (the Jews) have made into (separate) papersheets, disclosing (some of it) and concealing (much). And you (believers in Allah and His Messenger Muhammad SAW), were taught (through the Quran) that which neither you nor your fathers knew." Say: "Allah (sent it down)." Then leave them to play in their vain discussions. (Tafsir Al-Qurtubi, Vol.7, Page 37).

If you wish you can make your own comparison between the black & white photos (in Dr. Miller website) and those digitally scanned in DSS website. You will see that the texts are simply not the same. The Christian scholars themselves agree with me that indeed there are many unexplained differences in different publications of DSS. The Jews don’t want to answer such uncomfortable questions, since they know that if the people will discover the truth, they - the Jews of Israel - will face the biggest scandal ever! Certainly, this would be unforgivable.

The below videos shows in few steps how to make paper looks very old. Every amateur could do it at home:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fFKRciZYLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBZ6VoMW_r0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBcD-8QSWpw


Now, imagine the effects of a professional team specialized in papyrology, conservation and restoration of ancient manuscripts. Couldn't they fabricate it by using advanced technics of aging the papers ? My response: Yes, they could do it, and indeed they do it! Why ? The Answer is because they needed an evidence which will attest or confirm the text of their Book of Isaiah (since before 1948 the scholars were in doubt as to it’s credibility), and when DSS were founded, they have a chance to prove it, and the idea was to prescribes the Masoretic Text (of course sometimes they intentionally made errors so that it would not appear suspicious, but on the other hand they made also an accidental errors, totally out of their control). For instance, in Isaiah 43:4 (Column XXXVI, line 13) there is an example of error where final-form ך (kaph) was corrected into standard כ (kaph) in תחתיכה [third word from the last word]:



NOTE: the fact that the scribe primarily has wrote final-form ך (kaph) and then change it to standard כ (kaph) shows that he must have known the Masoretic Text, since the same word in MT is ended with final-form ך (kaph): תחתיך (tachteika). But, how it is possible when the Masoretic Text is dated about 10 cent. A.D. and the so-called Great Isaiah Scroll allegedly comes from 2 cent. B.C. ? Also, I didn't notice such strange cases of correcting individual letters in other Qumran scrolls besides Isaiah Scroll (1QIsa-a).

[The above case was exclusively taken from my polish book concerning prophecies about the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Old Testament. May Allah help me to finish it. Ameen !]

Insha’Allah I will make an analysis of the next 9 lines in Column XXXV and you will see that the text of Isaiah 42 was prescribed at least twice.

Take care, and Salam,
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)
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Re: Is something wrong with the Great Isaiah Scroll ?
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2016, 04:54:28 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Idris,

I love you work, akhi!  Keep up the great research and work.  May Allah Almighty bless you for your hard efforts.  I will go through all of your posts and make article(s) from your work and heavily propagate them on the website, insha'Allah.  Your account and other brothers' accounts here are on my list.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Is something wrong with the Great Isaiah Scroll ?
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2016, 08:30:36 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Idris,

I love you work, akhi!  Keep up the great research and work. May Allah Almighty bless you for your hard efforts.  I will go through all of your posts and make article(s) from your work and heavily propagate them on the website, insha'Allah.  Your account and other brothers' accounts here are on my list.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Wa aleikum as-Salam wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

Ameen brother, insha'Allah the people will know the truth. And I challenge every Christian in this matter who would like to show me that I'am wrong and that my allegations are false! The proofs which I have presented in my earlier posts here, are sufficiently clear and even are supported by Christian scholars. More analyzed cases are coming insha'Allah.

Take care, and Salam
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Re: Is something wrong with the Great Isaiah Scroll ?
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2016, 06:51:15 pm »
As-Salamu Aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

Brothers, this topic is going to be really hot !

On Monday, February 28, 2016 I had an email conversation with Professor Eugene Ulrich, a leading Hebrew scholar of Theology, and a well-known Qumran researcher at the University of Notre Dame:

Link: http://theology.nd.edu/people/emeritus-faculty/eugene-ulrich/

Most probably a Jew from Germany or Belgium.

Anyway, listen very carrefuly to this

I’ve asked him: “Why the Israeli Antiquities Authority (IAA) have kept Isaiah scroll for over 50 years ?”

He answered: “It sounds like you have read some unreliable books. The IAA has kept 1QIsa-a for 500+ years legitimately.” !!!

I was amazed after this response, and then in my curiosity I’ve asked him:

“The scroll 1QIsa-a was kept for over 500 years ?? From where you have taken this information ? What a minute, how 1QIsa-a was discovered in 1947 when it already have been kept by IAA from the Middle Age period (500+ years ago) ? I do not understand. Why the Jews then claims that 1QIsa-a was founded in 1947, and that was hidden in the Judean caves for over 2000 years ? I ’am really confused now. Can you explain it to me Sir ?”

And now guess what he said ? In his last message from Saturday, March 12, 2016 he answered: That was a typo; it was 50+ years
 
What ? A typo ? Or perhaps you want to tells us something ? Notice what he said in his last reply: “…it was 50+ years”

Well, that's what exactly I’ve said in my previous email, when I was asking him: “Why the Israeli Antiquities Authority (IAA) have kept Isaiah scroll for over 50 years ?”

But, then as if he felt some oppurtunity to correct me in his reply by saying:

“It sounds like you have read some unreliable books. The IAA has kept 1QIsa-a for 500+ years legitimately.”

After that, as you remember I’ve asked him: “The scroll 1QIsa-a was kept for over 500 years ?? From where you have taken this information ?....”

OK, and now he says that “it was a typo” …and that he correctly meant 50+ years ? Hello, we have just returned to the exit point!
Just think. When someone attempts to hide the truth, his psychological reaction sometimes plays tricks that are out of his will, I mean.. human could admit the truth with his own tongue (either by saying or writing), even if he carefully keeping the truth. Allah knows our nature better than we ourselves!

Therefore, his last answer "That was a typo; it was 50+ years” I personally consider as a "masking behavior" through which he was trying to correct and hide his accidentally admitted truth. I’m afraid it’s too late Professor. And, that what has happened to this scholar, i.e. he inadvertently have revealed the true account of Isaiah Scroll story [he accidentally admitted the truth and then he was trying to correct his mistake by saying that it was only a typo during writing].

Now you will understand why, since such number of years will make sense when you recall Dr. Miller’s statement that in Isaiah Scroll there are:

“many editorial markings (added after the scroll was enscribed) and altered letters, a numerals, and masoretic punctuation, and masoretic vowel marks and red ink marks that are controversial because they are anachronistic, if a date of storing the scroll is given as corresponding with the end of the Essene community to whom they originally belonged. Most of these markings are more consistent with the Middle Ages than with the Macabbean or Hasmonean period to which the scrolls have been ascribed.”

Link: http://www.moellerhaus.com/Controversy/Controversy.htm

This would explain the character and origin of some markings invented to the Isaiah Scroll. They manipulated the Scroll several times during last 500 years ! Allah is the Witness and He knows best. I would like also to quote some interesting historical evidence about the corruptions of the Vatican Church. The reason of that is because according to many scholars the Israeli government have plotted with the Vatican Church when DSS were found, and it seems they have some business together.

The "Expurgatory Index"

As was the case with the New Testament, so also were damaging writings of early "Church Fathers" modified in centuries of copying, and many of their records were intentionally rewritten or suppressed. Adopting the decrees of the Council of Trent (1545–63), the Church subsequently extended the process of erasure and ordered the preparation of a special list of specific information to be expunged from early Christian writings (Delineation of Roman Catholicism, Rev. Charles Elliott, DD, G. Lane & P. P. Sandford, New York, 1842, p. 89; also, The Vatican Censors, Professor Peter Elmsley, Oxford, p. 327, pub. date n/a). In 1562, the Vatican established a special censoring office called Index Expurgatorius. Its purpose was to prohibit publication of "erroneous passages of the early Church Fathers" that carried statements opposing modern-day doctrine. When Vatican archivists came across "genuine copies of the Fathers, they corrected them according to the Expurgatory Index" (Index Expurgatorius Vaticanus, R. Gibbings, ed., Dublin, 1837; The Literary Policy of the Church of Rome, Joseph Mendham, J. Duncan, London, 1830, 2nd ed., 1840; The Vatican Censors, op. cit., p. 328). This Church record provides researchers with "grave doubts about the value of all patristic writings released to the public" (The Propaganda Press of Rome , Sir James W. L. Claxton, Whitehaven Books, London, 1942, p. 182). Important for our story is the fact that the Encyclopaedia Biblica reveals that around 1,200 years of Christian history are unknown: "Unfortunately, only few of the records [of the Church] prior to the year 1198 have been released". It was not by chance that, in that same year (1198), Pope Innocent III (1198–1216) suppressed all records of earlier Church history by establishing the Secret Archives (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. xv, p. 287). Some seven-and-a-half centuries later, and after spending some years in those Archives, Professor Edmond S. Bordeaux wrote How The Great Pan Died. In a chapter titled "The Whole of Church History is Nothing but a Retroactive Fabrication", he said this (in part): "The Church ante-dated all her late works, some newly made, some revised and some counterfeited, which contained the final expression of her history ... her technique was to make it appear that much later works written by Church writers were composed a long time earlier, so that they might become evidence of the first second or third centuries." (How The Great Pan Died, op. cit., p. 46) Supporting Professor Bordeaux's findings is the fact that, in 1587, Pope Sixtus V (1585–90) established an official Vatican publishing division and said in his own words, "Church history will be now be established ... we shall seek to print our own account" ( E n c y c l o p é d i e, Diderot, 1759). Vatican records also reveal that Sixtus V spent 18 months of his life as pope personally writing a new Bible and then introduced into Catholicism a "New Learning" (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. v, p. 442, vol. xv, p. 376). The evidence that the Church wrote its own history is found in Diderot's E n c y c l o p é d i e, and it reveals the reason why Pope Clement XIII (1758–69) ordered all volumes to be destroyed immediately after publication in 1759.

Tony Bushby, an article from “NEXUS Magazine”, vol. 14, No. 4 (June/July, 2007), pp. 58-59.

Take care, and Salam,
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)

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Re: Is something wrong with the Great Isaiah Scroll ?
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2016, 12:47:33 pm »
As-Salamu Aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

In regards to my last post about my conversation with Professor Eugene Ulrich

- of course IAA (Israeli Antiquities Authority) exists for less than 68 years, and one could not say that they has kept Isaiah Scroll for over 500 years, but I was really wondering why this scholar tried to correct me in his reply that "IAA kept 1QIsaa 500+ years." if he already acknowledges that I've said "over 50 years" ?? Did he actually read what I've said ? Surely did. Maybe he was a little bit confuzzle, but on the other hand it is possible that he accidentally gives us a hint, i.e. it was not necessarily IAA who kept Isaiah scroll for so long, but e.g. some group of earlier Jews lived in the Middle Age. I swear that this scroll is involved with a big intrigue, and I hope Allah will expose them someday, so the people will know the truth.

I have found a nice book for free in which you might find interesting informations about the Dead Sea Scrolls:

Link: https://archive.org/details/TheDeadSeaScrollsDeception

Take care, and Salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)

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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2016, 07:09:27 pm »
As-Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

here is my post which shows in details a controversial differences in text between the two photos of Isaiah scroll.

NOTE: Lines of reference points have been marked as "RP1" and "RP2" [they are not to be confused with the regular or standard lines, which are related only to the text]. Those lines of reference role-play here an essential factors and will prove to be very important in the following analysis, since they will allow us [by following the hashtag] to observe the curvature of the text on both photos.
The photos have been very carefully captured [their size is almost identical and covers the same space]. Instead of scrolling up and down I suggest to download or simply copy the photos and [while browsing them on your PC screen] change one picture with the other, since it is the fastest and the most convenient way of comparing the details.

Isaiah 41:23-41:29
Column XXXV, lines 1-9

Photo from DSS website [inversion color]



link: http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah

Black & White photo from Dr. Miller's website [inversion color]



link: http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qum35.jpg


Observation 1

a) Line 1: Notice the difference in writing between the letter ל (lamed) and the 5th word אלוהים (elohim). Compare it on both photos. In the black and white photo ל (lamed) has a curved head, while the same ל (lamed) from Digital DSS website has a straight head. The differences are underlined in green.

b) Line 1: Notice a small point of the ink above the final-form ם (mem) in the 5th word אלוהים (elohim). In the black and white photo there is no trace of any point or dot of ink. I have indicated it by a yellow cloud in the photo from DSS website.

c) Line RP #1 and RP #2: Notice these two dashed lines in red and observe how the text goes in both photos. You can clearly see that the text in the photo from DSS website goes straight ahead, while the text from the black and white photo [in Dr. Miller’s website] runs awry, in result the dashed lines RP #1 and RP #2 overlap through the text.

Observation 2

Line 3: Notice how the third letter is written together with fourth letter of the last word ויבואו (veyabo’au). In the black and white photo ו (waw) from the same word is different, since is not glued with ב (bet) and it appears to be a separate element. The differences are underlined in green.

Observation 3

a) Line 4: Notice the difference in writing between the letter ד (dalet) in the ninth word הגיד (higid). Compare it on both photos. Its tail has a different shapes. Underlined in green.

b) Line RP #3: Notice this dashed line in red and observe how the text goes on both photos. You can see the similar case as in line RP #1 and RP # 2, i.e. the text from DSS website goes straight ahead, while the text from the black and white photo runs awry.

Observation 4

a) Line 5: Notice the distance between the point of ink and מ (mem) [i.e. the first letter from the first word מלפנים]. Compare this distance in the same line from the black and white photo. You can see that the distances from both photos are not the same [marked in an area with blue outline]

b) Line 5: Compare ד (dalet) and ע (ayn) from the word שומע (shome’a). The differences are underlined in green.

c) Line RP #4 and RP #5: Notice these two dashed lines in red and observe the location of the word אמריכםה (amerikemah)* [line 6, first word] inside of these two previously mentioned lines. Notice that both red lines in both photos are marked in accordance to the same particular points of the same particular letters. RP #4 is set down according to ן (nun) i.e. the lowest point of the word אין (ein) located in line 5, fifth word. RP #5 is set down according to ל (lamed) i.e. the highest point of the word ומאלה (ume’elleh), located in line 6, the last word. You will see that the word אמריכםה (amerikemah) in the photo from DSS website is out of it’s position, passing through the dashed red line RP #5.

* put this Hebrew word in Google translator and see the result (but do not take it seriously, perhaps it is some kind of joke)

Observation 5

a) Line 9: Notice the distance between the word ותוהו (vatohu) [the first word] and the word יואמר (yo’amar) in the same line, from the previous Column. Compare this distance from both photos. The distances are not the same [marked in an area with blue outline].

b) Line 9: Notice the fragment of (lamed) In the photo from DSS website, lamed passes through the line RP #7, while lamed from the black and white photo do not even touch this red dashed line [marked in an area with blue outline].

Conclusion ?

The text from both photos is not the same (despite the fact that is written very similar, but as you have seen still not identical). Let me share with you now something interesting. Yesterday I had an email conversation with Dr. Miller, and when I showed to him some examples of strange alterations, he has answered me the following:

“There are many problems with the DSS differences in different publications of the scrolls that are never answered!. Neil Altman of Philadelphia is the true expert on this subject. No email, but has a listed phone, also see my page on differences etc. here http://www.moellerhaus.com/Controversy/Controversy.htm   Dr. Fred P. Miller

I was surprised that he knew about it and admits that indeed there are many problematic differences between various publications of DSS in general (not only Isaiah scroll !). Respect for that Christian scholar!

Take care, and Salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)

As-Salamu Aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

I would like to add some important information as to the possible objections to my comparative analysis on two photos posted here:

Firstly, one can’t argue that the scroll from the black & white photo - that available in Dr. Miller’s website - perhaps was slightly undulant or wavy, and later on was straightened by curators of Museum, so that it would supposedly explain why the text from DSS photo is running straight ahead. The big problem lies in the distance between a small dot and ב (bet) located in line 5. If the scroll was indeed wavy - i.e. before IAA has published 1QIsaa in their website - then naturally this small dot would appear on farther from ב (bet) after its straightening. Paradoxically in the photo from DSS website this small dot instead of being farther is even closer to ב (bet).

Secondly, the material of the scroll is made from animal skin, and it is “incredibly delicate” [as it was claimed by Professor Ulrich]. It would be all the more amazing to think that this leather was straightened - or even capable to be straightened in any way - since each single touch could cause a damages to such a delicate, fragile material.

The conclusion is then inevitable: the text from Column XXXV was re-written (possibly on two different leathers). There are many places in which the edge shapes of the scroll is not identical in both photos [those published by Dr. Miller and those digital by IAA]. Also, I didn’t mentioned that Professor Eugene Ulrich has totally ignored my comparative analysis on two different photos [see my post here] and started to talk about some Chinese symbols in the scroll which was refuted by their scholars. Since he is a Jewish scholar (Eugene is a Hebrew name) he will probably do his best in order to defend the authenticity of Isaiah scroll, as opposed to Dr. Fred Miller (a Christian scholar) who openly admitted that there are many problems with the DSS differences in different publications of the scrolls that are never answered! For me, it is sufficiently enough that while this Jewish scholar was answering on me questions, he get mixed up and lost the thread at a certain moment, most likely was not fully aware about what he just said to me (I don’t know how and why).

Take care, and Salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)
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Re: Is something wrong with the Great Isaiah Scroll ?
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2016, 08:05:05 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Ahmed,

Amazing research and posts, dear brother.  Keep up the great work, akhi.  Really, you are on to something very dangerous for the enemies of Islam.  It is very important.  May Allah Almighty guide you and protect you, akhi Ahmed.  Ameen.  You and your family.  Ameen.

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Re: Is something wrong with the Great Isaiah Scroll ?
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2016, 02:09:55 pm »
As-Salama aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

Some news from my last conversation with Professor Eugene Ulrich regarding my comparative analysis of two different photo of 1QIsaa [see my post Reply #18 on: February 12, 2016, 07:35:20 pm]. If you remember, in the beginning of my conversation with Professor Eugene, I told him that he should follow carefully the curvature of the text in both photos, but he has ignored that. However, when I started to insist, he finally answered:

The upward or downward slope (the red dashed lines) of the lines of script is not a function of the manuscript but of the angle of the camera taking the photographs. Most of the differences you mention in your “Observations” are simply due to different cameras making different types of and levels of accuracy.  Prof. Eugene Ulrich

The argument about the angle of the camera and its level accuracy is logical, but it has nothing to do with my comparative analysis. The curvature of the text  is not a matter of angle setting of the camera, since the character of writing itself is physically different in both photos, and it is not depending on level accuracy of the camera. The text in the photo (e.g. first line) from Dr. Miller’s website has a clearly visible convexity while the same text from DSS is physically more straight, and you can't say that it is due the angle of the camera during taking the photographs. This simply will not work here. Moreover, such argument conflict other substantial details which I’ve included in my previous post here.

Therefore we have another example of critical objection which I’ve successively refuted above. This is the last point that should put to the end any attempts to disprove my comparative analysis.

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Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)

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Re: Is something wrong with the Great Isaiah Scroll ?
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2016, 02:36:25 am »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Ahmed,

May Allah Almighty bless you for your research.  I had added this thread's link to www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm.

Keep up the great work, akhi!

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Re: Is something wrong with the Great Isaiah Scroll ?
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2016, 09:12:32 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Ahmed,

May Allah Almighty bless you for your research.  I had added this thread's link to www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm.

Keep up the great work, akhi!

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Wa aleikum as-Salam wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

Thank you dear brother Osama, I hope that people finally will get to know about the dubious reputation of these scrolls. I'm going to discuss insha’Allah other notes and observations concerning this topic if only I'll find some spare time to do it. The Jews are afraid that someone will discover someday those alterations in DSS! And I ’am sure that one of the reasons that they changed 1QIsaa is because they’ve found the prophetic name Ahmad and other evident descriptions about the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). They hate this truth so much that they would rather die than to tell you about it.

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Re: Is something wrong with the Great Isaiah Scroll ?
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2016, 10:55:33 am »
" Those to whom We gave the Scripture (Jews and Christians) recognise him (Muhammad SAW or the Ka'bah at Makkah) as they recongise their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it - [i.e. the qualities of Muhammad SAW which are written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)]." 2:146