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Offline brian464

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Re: Three types of Christians that the Koran is against
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2016, 01:40:26 pm »
Doesn't Jesus being God once, imply that there were more than one God once and before the birth of Jesus,

There was only one God until the following happened according to the Koran.

According to the Koran, the Spirit of God was upon Mary, so I believe that is when the analogy (from biology) I mentioned earlier happened.

When the Spirit of God entered Mary's womb, that Spirit had already separated from God ( the Father ) so the best analogy in biology is called  binary fission where a single cell can split into two (example: amoeba ), in this case, one remained God and the other became fully human


And if Jesus was a part of God, indistinguishable from God, doesn't it still leave us with the problem that God can die?


Once human, Jesus was never a part of God and even today, Jesus is not a part of God but fully human in glorified form


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Re: Three types of Christians that the Koran is against
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2016, 05:17:47 pm »
Regarding the spirit, Brother Osama Bdullah's article is linked here:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm

Also, an exegesis on Qur'an 4:171 is linked here, (will have to scroll down for the particular verse)

https://ia802707.us.archive.org/2/items/maarifulquran-english-pdf/MaarifulquranEnglishPdf-Vol2-Page616-672ByMuftiShafiUsmaniRah.pdf

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Re: Three types of Christians that the Koran is against
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2016, 08:47:41 pm »
Regarding the spirit, Brother Osama Bdullah's article is linked here:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm

Also, an exegesis on Qur'an 4:171 is linked here, (will have to scroll down for the particular verse)

https://ia802707.us.archive.org/2/items/maarifulquran-english-pdf/MaarifulquranEnglishPdf-Vol2-Page616-672ByMuftiShafiUsmaniRah.pdf

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You have given me a lot to study, so check back every few days ( at least )  for updates to this discussion, thanks for your patience

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Re: Three types of Christians that the Koran is against
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2016, 05:29:47 pm »
Regarding the spirit, Brother Osama Bdullah's article is linked here:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm

I am going to go line by line, so be looking for the rest of my commentary over several updates ( might take two weeks or longer ) and you can respond after I have addressed the last line in both the links ( including the exegesis link )  you sent me:


The first link states : "GOD's Spirit came upon many people other than Jesus"

Comment: Yes, Jesus needed guidance from God's Spirit because once Jesus became totally human, He needed God's Spirit to guide Him.


The first link states : " Trinitanian Christians claim that since Jesus carried GOD's spirit, then he must be GOD himself "

Comment: Remember, I am not a Trinitarian Christian but I am not sure what is meant by "carried God's Spirit" but being guided by the Spirit of God was essential, since Jesus was fully human on earth. 



The first link states : " he ( Jesus )  will delight in the fear of the LORD. "

Comment: I do believe that Jesus feared God and I interpret the word "fear" as respect because nobody delights in fear but people do delight in respecting God.


The first link states : "Here is my servant (Jesus ) whom I have chosen "

Comment: "chosen" here could be interpreted as God has free will to choose His own fully human Son or choose somebody else who is also fully human


The first link states: "Let us look at the many others who carried GOD's spirit in them in the Bible"

Comment: The same Spirit of God Who had to guide Jesus, also was present to guide others in the Bible



The first link states : "1 Samuel 16:16 "Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better."

Comment: In verse 14 ( before verse 16 in the NLT bible version ) " Now the Spirit of the Lord had left Saul, and the Lord sent a tormenting spirit that filled him with depression and fear." (end of quote ).

In the verse 14, we see that the Spirit of God left and another spirit ( a tormentor, a apostate spirit ) arrived which shows that since God is everywhere,

God is also in the same place where tormenting, apostate spirits reside ( I would say, subordinate to the Devil ) and

 since God is constantly interacting with apostate spirits ( since God is everywhere ) apostate spirits, even though in a state of apostasy, do obey God sometimes and

 God in return lives in peace with apostate spirits.

TO BE CONTINUED ( thanks for your patience )

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Re: Three types of Christians that the Koran is against
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2016, 12:49:16 am »
This is definitely not my area, that is why I just gave the links. It would be better if you contact Osama Abdullah for discussion on these topics.

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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2016, 07:45:30 am »
This is definitely not my area, that is why I just gave the links. It would be better if you contact Osama Abdullah for discussion on these topics.

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Do you have his email address ?

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Re: Three types of Christians that the Koran is against
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2016, 02:32:09 pm »
Apparently his e-mail account is filled with spam, so he doesn't keep track of it.

He usually keeps a lookout for the new posts, so hopefully he may come across this one and reply on his own.

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Re: Three types of Christians that the Koran is against
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2016, 09:04:01 am »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I am here.  Brian, please ask your questions here.  No email. 

Thank you,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2016, 06:57:40 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I am here.  Brian, please ask your questions here.  No email. 

Thank you,
Osama Abdallah

Brother Farooq gave me two links and I was just going over the links with him and he referred me to you :)

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Re: Three types of Christians that the Koran is against
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2017, 03:02:44 pm »
the son of Mary

Notice the word " son " is used in the Koran but not in the biological sense since Mary was not the biological mother of Jesus, so

 the Koran is not against the word "son" since the gospel refers to Jesus as the Son of God but not in the biological sense

The Qur'an absolutely denies Allah has taken or begotten "a son" and Miriam (pbuh) IS with a certainty the biological mother of Issa (sa).

Where from you get the notion a woman who gives birth could be not the biological mother, unless you are talking artificial insemination that infant (pbuh) had a biological mother named Miriam (pbuh).

This is how bad people have to misinterpret the Qur'an to deby it's Truth, "son" doesn't mean son in the Qur'an re: Miriam...

But DOES in the Gospel and also se: "son of God."

Do you not see the fallacy, the double standard? If Issa (sa) is the son of man he is a man, it's a common idiom applied to humans like Ezekiel for one.

Now you want to claim Qur'an is ok with using son in a not literal sense with Miriam (pbuh) whov LITERALLY gave birth.

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Re: Three types of Christians that the Koran is against
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2017, 03:12:25 pm »

The second you stated "Mary is not the biological mother" you spoke in error.

What makes you think Miriam didn't have a baby grow in her womb with half her biology, mitochondrial dna?

Assumption so as to fail at criticizing the Qur'an?

It has been attempted for 1400 years, nobody has succeeded in what they attempt to do anytime a non truth is spoken of the Qur'a.

Simply thinking (rather, not thinking, forgive my harsh words) Miriam isn't the biological mother isn't grounded in reason. Your premise is faulty entirely based on the fact that Isaa (sa) IS NOT the biological "son of God" even in Christianity. God isn't biological.

Miriam and Jesus (pbut) ARE.