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Offline brian464

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2016, 02:56:23 pm »
would mean that every thing in the heavens and the earth is also a part of Allah?

In addition to my comments to Brother Submit above,

Words are always part of God, whether those words become alive or inanimate like the heavens.

Just like the Koran is part of God or the Word of God,

the Word spoken by God either became Jesus (Spirit of God/ Son of God )  or

 became the heavens, so

 one word (Spirit of God )  became a human being (Son of God )  and the other word became heaven,

 so both are words and both words are part of God,

  with one being a living human being (Jesus )  and the other (heavens) not a living human being, so words can become alive or become inanimate, but both words are part of God,

 just like the Koran is part of God

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2016, 03:33:54 pm »
So, by your interpretation shouldn't we be worshiping literally everything since everything is a part of God?

There are different ways with which classical and modern Muslim scholars have answered questions like these.

The Qur'an is considered as a reflection of God's eternal word, not as God Himself. Muslims don't believe that God can be divided into parts and then some parts of God can die. If God is supposed to be immortal/eternal then logically speaking no part of God should be able to die, otherwise, all of God can also die.

Check out this video from Simply Seerah, the first 6 minutes are related to this issue in a general way, and the rest with regards to the Christians who believe that Jesus was human and God at the same time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfwEZf_Yc7c


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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2016, 04:05:35 pm »
So, by your interpretation shouldn't we be worshiping literally everything since everything is a part of God?

Muslims kiss the black stone, not because they worship it but because

 that was created by God, so likewise, we do not worship anything, including God since

 God is not human and does not require worship of Him or anything else

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2016, 06:50:42 pm »
I don't know where you are getting your facts from, but Muslims definitely do worship God.

God not requiring worship does not mean that we shouldn't worship Him.
We worship God because He commands us to and it is in our best interests to do so.

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2016, 07:27:22 pm »

We worship God because He commands us to

If God is so afraid that some humans will not worship Him, why did He create the devil, whom God knew will never worship Him ?

 could it be because God does not require worship from His creatures ?

God gives us free will for a reason and that is because He is not a slave master.

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2016, 06:44:22 am »
Whatever we know about God comes from the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah, if those sources tell us that God wants us to worship Him, than that is what Muslims believe in.
God gave us free will in order to test us, this was the agreement that was made.


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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2016, 09:27:07 am »
God wants us to worship Him,

And if we do not worship Him, then what ?

 I highly doubt God wants anything from anybody because God is all self-sufficient and does not lack anything or want something

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2016, 10:55:27 am »
God would like us, to succeed.

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2016, 12:12:23 pm »
God would like us, to succeed.

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You agree that God is self-sufficient and does not want anything from human beings, right ?

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2016, 12:45:35 pm »
There is a difference between someone "needing" something and someone "preferring" or "liking" something.

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2016, 11:34:30 pm »
There is a difference between someone "needing" something and someone "preferring" or "liking" something.

What happens if somebody does not worship five times a day ?

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2016, 03:32:12 am »
It is up to God, whether to punish us for it, either in this life or the next or just simply to forgive us.

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2016, 02:05:02 pm »
It is up to God, whether to punish us for it, either in this life or the next or just simply to forgive us.

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And the punishment is due to not worshipping God, right ?

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2016, 03:52:52 am »
all of what you query on verses and chapter can be found in my previous posts. Just read thru again . For e.g. if you see numbering (3:59). 3 is the chapter. 59 is the verse.

just like the Koran is part of God

This belief applies to some Christian i presume, by saying bible is part of God and is previously a God. So there are four gods in the beginning:
1)Father do not transform stays in heaven.
2)Spirit (never mentioned in John 1:1) transform into a body.
3)Word transform into somethingelse inside the body.
4)Verses (never mentioned in John 1:1) transform into bible.

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2016, 04:16:06 am »
all of what you query on verses and chapter can be found in my previous posts. Just read thru again . For e.g. if you see numbering (3:59). 3 is the chapter. 59 is the verse.

just like the Koran is part of God

This belief applies to some Christian i presume, by saying bible is part of God and is previously a God. So there are four gods in the beginning:
1)Father do not transform stays in heaven.
2)Spirit (never mentioned in John 1:1) transform into a body.
3)Word transform into somethingelse inside the body.
4)Verses (never mentioned in John 1:1) transform into bible.

There is only one God, not four Gods as clarified below

The Koran says that Jesus is the son of Mary ( the term "son" used in the Koran does not mean that Jesus is the biological son of Mary) similar to

 Jesus is not the biological son of God when we say Jesus is the Son of God.

There is only one God and Jesus is the Son of God (not God the Son ) and not the biological son of God ( similar to the meaning in the Koran referring to Jesus as the son of Mary )