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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2016, 04:25:39 AM »
There is only one God, not four Gods as clarified below

The Koran says that Jesus is the son of Mary ( the term "son" used in the Koran does not mean that Jesus is the biological son of Mary) similar to

 Jesus is not the biological son of God when we say Jesus is the Son of God.

There is only one God and Jesus is the Son of God (not God the Son ) and not the biological son of God ( similar to the meaning in the Koran referring to Jesus as the son of Mary )

you should say among the Son of God. as Jesus and Adam are the two Son of God as written in bible. But in Islam this is falsehood.

God never adopt a son or have biological son on earh. And Mary too do not adopt a son. Son of Mary means Mary gave birth to a son.  Hence her biological son is Jesus.

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2016, 04:42:27 AM »
I presume the way you approach concept of One God is that He splits Himself into few forms. He split into Father, split into Spirit and split into Word. Thus He exist in 3 forms at the same time. But all three entities are still one same God.
But is such concept even supported by John 1:1?

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2016, 11:19:53 PM »
I presume the way you approach concept of One God is that He splits Himself into few forms. He split into Father, split into Spirit and split into Word. Thus He exist in 3 forms at the same time. But all three entities are still one same God.
But is such concept even supported by John 1:1?

The reason John 1:1 supports one God is because

 in the beginning, God and His Word were one and the same, just as the Koran and Allah are one and the same but in the case of Jesus,

 the Word became flesh

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2016, 06:11:34 AM »
Please bear in mind. One God that exist in 3 forms at the same time was not mentioned in John 1:1. In fact Word was with God. Two figures in that verse. And also no where mention about One God appearing in few forms at all.

The problem with Hellenistic Chrisitan books is that they have 3 divine figures in it. So when they try to relate with the One God, the Israelite Yhwh. Problem occurs.

Some interpret it as 3 Gods in oneness equality among each other.
Some interpret it as One God that appear in 3 forms.

BUT still, both concept are the same. Its all about the 3 divine figures. Father/Word/Spirit.  This is falsehood onto the religion of God.

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2016, 07:09:54 AM »
in John 1:1. In fact Word was with God. Two figures in that verse.

Similar to the Koran is with Allah, two who were not created but existed as two through eternity

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2016, 09:15:06 AM »
h Hellenistic Chrisitan books

what is the difference between hellenistic and non-hellenistic christian books ?

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2016, 06:56:31 AM »

Similar to the Koran is with Allah, two who were not created but existed as two through eternity
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Not similar at all. As Word in John 1:1 is another entity.

Koran is not another entity, they are Words of God as guidance, humans can choose to oppose Words of God.
Word of God = Be! is a command. When God commands Be!, it simply happens and human cannot choose to oppose the word Be!.

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2016, 07:14:08 AM »
Hellenistics influence will be about having several divine figures or more than 1 form of Gods , able to  manifest into human forms on earth.

Non hellenistic will be that who adhering to the same covenant of God e.g Noahites, Israelites having only 1 form of God unique and singular.

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2016, 05:19:35 PM »
Hellenistics influence will be about having several divine figures or more than 1 form of Gods , able to  manifest into human forms on earth.

Non hellenistic will be that who adhering to the same covenant of God e.g Noahites, Israelites having only 1 form of God unique and singular.

The Koran and Allah existing through eternity is similar to the Word and God existing as two throughout eternity

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2016, 09:17:54 AM »
able to  manifest into human forms on earth.

So the difference between the Koran and the Word ( both existing in eternity ) is that the Word became flesh

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2016, 12:11:30 PM »
The Word never became flesh. And also , Words of God is not 2nd entity or divine figure.

Hope it helps to clear the confusion about unique singular God, and also having such concept that parts of God manifest into flesh on earth similar like other falsehood of beliefs.

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2016, 12:06:42 AM »
Words of God is not 2nd entity or divine figure.

So does the Koran exist in eternity with Allah ?

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2016, 06:03:33 AM »
Words of God is not 2nd entity or divine figure.

What about the Word "I", if God uses the Word ? is it possible that both the Word "I" and God are one and the same?

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2016, 01:27:53 AM »
Son of Mary means Mary gave birth to a son.  Hence her biological son is Jesus.

So son of Mary means biological son ? even though Jesus did not share any DNA with Mary ?

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Re: Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2016, 07:40:40 AM »
Words of God is not 2nd entity or divine figure.

So does the Koran exist in eternity with Allah ?

Taurat/Zabur/Injil/Quran are His Words. Attribute of God is eternal. So His Words are eternal.

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I is a Word or Saying by God. But the Saying of God is not God.
If God spoke out 10 Words to angels. Imagine the angels pointing to each other, look there are 10 new Gods that are part of the supreme one God that are coming at us.
Having such concept of manifestation is falsehood.

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Exactly, Son of Mary means biological son. Because Jesus's flesh were made from the substance inside the womb of Mary  and she was the one giving birth to Jesus.
And as God commanded by just saying Be!, Jesus became alive as the spirit is breathed into him.