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Offline AhmadFarooq

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2016, 03:13:32 PM »
The following is from my own understanding and knowledge which could be faulty.

As I mentioned before, this was the test that the humans (and I suppose Jinns are also included here) accepted. God of course knew that some will follow Him and others will disobey Him, but (according to the Islamic doctrine) humans chose this test out of their own free will, they were not forced into it.

He does not "need" our worship, but He would be pleased if we succeed in our tests.

Everything we know about God, comes from the Qur'an and authentic Hadiths. They along with some other attributes of God do talk about the pleasure and displeasure of God. Therefore, these cannot be denied (although there are some groups of Muslims who try to give metaphorical meaning to clear statements from scripture about such attributes, but from what I know that is not the majority opinion).

Regarding whether such attributes can be related to any human like emotion, from what I understand, we just don't know. Like the eyes example I gave before, we just have not been given enough information to say much for certain.

All we can say with certainty is what Islam tells us, which is, that God is pleased by those who follow Him, and displeased by those who disobey Him; exactly what is the nature of that pleasure and displeasure or what accompanies them, if there is anything, is not certain (although "crying" is, I suppose, definitely something beneath God).

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2016, 10:42:12 PM »
, this was the test that the humans (and I suppose Jinns are also included here) accepted.majority opinion).

God could have easily told the humans that He knew many ( possibly billions )  will fail the test and so

 I do not believe that God would have withheld that vital piece of  information before  the humans accepted the test because

 I do not believe that God is in the business of either deception or trickery

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2016, 06:37:02 AM »
Who said God withheld the information?

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2016, 09:20:16 AM »
Who said God withheld the information?

So God revealed to the humans that they will fail the test ?

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2016, 10:55:03 AM »
As far as I know, no information is provided in this respect.
However, some can argue that the very idea of a Heaven and Hell implied that some were going to succeed and some, fail.

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2016, 12:15:26 PM »
As far as I know, no information is provided in this respect.
However, some can argue that the very idea of a Heaven and Hell implied that some were going to succeed and some, fail.

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If God truly revealed to humans that they will fail in the test, I highly doubt humans would have agreed to the test ( humans are not that stupid to agree to something in which they know that failure is a good possibility ) when hell fire is the result of failure

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2016, 12:47:55 PM »
Exactly what are you basing that answer on?
If there was the fear of Hell on one hand, then there was also the Hope of Heaven on the other. Who knows which was more.

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2016, 01:59:26 PM »
Exactly what are you basing that answer on?
If there was the fear of Hell on one hand, then there was also the Hope of Heaven on the other. Who knows which was more.

Are you saying the majority of humans accepted the test because the majority felt they will pass the test ?

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2016, 04:36:10 PM »
What I am saying is that, although that is a possibility, we don't know for certain. We have not been provided with the information to make such a claim, at-least as far as I know.

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2016, 11:31:19 PM »
What I am saying is that, although that is a possibility, we don't know for certain. We have not been provided with the information to make such a claim, at-least as far as I know.

These humans existed before Adam ?

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2016, 03:36:32 AM »
Muslims believe that at this point, God was addressing just the souls of the people; the physical bodies came later.

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2016, 02:06:59 PM »
Muslims believe that at this point, God was addressing just the souls of the people; the physical bodies came later.

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The souls of the people who have already committed sin ?

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2016, 04:19:01 AM »

God is pleased

In addition to my comment to Brother Farooq above,

God being pleased is a human emotion which means He can also be angry if people do not worship Him.

 I doubt God ever gets angry or cries or is happy according to how people respond to Him

God will be displeased if one disbelieved, however the matters will be judged and punishment will be given in hereafter.
God is Merciful and Oft-forgiving. To those that follow His covenant, God will be pleased to multiply the rewards onto them that will be counted in hereafter. 
All of these are the ordains of His covenants and His rulings to the universe. Which all matter will be judged in the Day of Judgement.

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2016, 05:13:34 AM »
The souls did not commit any sin (at-least as far as we know).
First the souls accepted the test, after which the memory of this was wiped from them, then they were given physical human bodies and after that they started committing good deeds and bad deeds.

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Re: Does God have human needs and wants ?
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2016, 04:51:14 PM »
they started committing good deeds and bad deeds.

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God knew that "bad deeds" would be done, right ?