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Offline Saudi Salafi

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 https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_Forbids_You_Not_(Qur'an_60:8)

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew_a_Person

I need a full proper refutation please. I feel scared I might leave my faith (Insha allah not!).

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Re: Please refute these ONLY the questions below are unnecessary
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2016, 04:41:44 PM »
Please do try not to visit anti-Islamic sites, at-least not until you know of various Muslim sites which refute their allegations. These anti-Islamic websites cherry-pick the evidence that confirms their already drawn out conclusions and ignore all the contradicting evidences.

I doubt anyone will have the time for "a full proper refutation". I don't think there are any rebuttals targeting wikiislam specifically at the moment. Most Muslim sites will be concerned with general refutations.

You will have to search on this website or use: http://searching-islam.com/ which is like a Google index for Muslim websites.

On the "Friends" issue, there is some difference of opinion on this, I previously compiled some notes on this subject, which are mentioned below.

Taking Non-Muslims as “Friends”

If a friend is defined as – someone with whom a person has relationships based on sympathy, kindness, concern which includes charitable help and support, condolence and consolation and any well-meaning attitude of wishing well OR customary cordiality, adequacy in courtesy, pleasant and friendly behaviour and mannerly politeness – then, non-Muslims can indeed be taken as friends by Muslims.
According to Kaleef K. Karim, the Arabic word ‘Awliya’ translated into English as ‘Friends’, has been accepted by some but at the same time “many Muslim and non-Muslim scholars favour that the Arabic word ‘awliya’ should be interpreted to mean ‘guardians’, ‘allies’, ‘patrons’ and ‘protectors’, not ‘friends’, as some who have suggested.”

Mauláná Mufti Muhammad Shafi’s Ma’áriful-Qur’án Explanation

Mauláná Mufti Muhammad Shafi’ in his Ma’áriful-Qur’án divides friendship into four degrees.
“The first degree of such relations comes from the heart, that of affection and love involving intense emotional commitment. This is called Muwálát or close friendship. This sort of friendship is restricted to true Muslims. A Muslim is not permitted to have this kind of relationship with a non-Muslim … any deep emotional commitment by a true Muslim in the known forms of love and friendship has to be exclusively for one who is with him all the way in the pursuit of this noble purpose”
This Muwálát appears to be a kind of friendship on a spiritual level.
Any degree of friendship below this is allowed. These “lesser degrees” allow, (second degree of friendship) “relationship based on sympathy, kindness and concern. It includes charitable help and support, condolence and consolation and any well-meaning attitude of wishing well.” (third degree of friendship) “… relations based on customary cordiality, adequacy in courtesy, pleasant and friendly behaviour and mannerly politeness.” (fourth degree of friendship) “… dealings and transactions in business or employment or wages or industry or technology.”
These allowances are discouraged or in some cases prohibited during times of war with those non-Muslims.
“It is on this basis that Muslim jurists have prohibited the sale of arms to disbelievers who are at war with Muslims. However, trade and activities allied to it have been permitted. Also allowed is having them as employees or being employed in their plants and institutions”
Source: Mauláná Mufti Muhammad Shafi’, Ma’áriful-Qur’án, Volume 2, p. 56-58

Sunnah of the Prophet & his Companions

“When Makkah was in the grip of famine, he personally went out to help his enemies who had made him leave his home town. Then, came the conquest of Makkah. All these enemies fell under his power and control. He set [almost] all of them free…”
“When non-Muslim prisoners of war were presented before him, he treated them with such tenderness which many cannot claim to have done even in respect of their children. The disbelievers inflicted on him all sorts of injuries and pain but he never raised his hand in revenge. He did not even wish ill of them. A delegation from the tribe of Banú Thaqíf who had not embraced Islam upto that time came to visit him. They were given the honour of staying in the Mosque of the Prophet, a place regarded by Muslims as most honourable.”
Caliph 'Umar “gave stipends and allowances to needy non-Muslim dhimmk, an elegant conduct the examples of which are spread all over in the accounts of dealings credited to the rightly-guided Khulafá and the noble Companions… It had nothing to do with Muwálát or close and intimate friendship which had been forbidden.”
“Islam teaches its adherents all possible tolerance, decency and benevolence while dealing with non-Muslim”
Source: Mauláná Mufti Muhammad Shafi’, Ma’áriful-Qur’án, Volume 2, p. 58-59

Reference to some Muslim & Non-Muslim Commentaries

Kaleef K. Karim notes that Qur’an verses in reference to the topic of not taking non-Muslim as friends, according to both Muslim an non-Muslim commentaries, were received in the context of the battles with the non-Muslims, and it should be taken as meaning that in times of war with non-Muslims, Muslims aren’t supposed to take those non-Muslims as friends.
http://discover-the-truth.com/2014/12/01/can-christians-and-jews-be-friends-with-muslims/

Qur’an 3:28

Kaleef K. Karim notes that Qur’an 3:28, according to both Muslim and non-Muslim commentaries, was received in the context of the Battle of Badr, and it should be taken as meaning that in times of war with non-Muslims, Muslims aren’t supposed to take those non-Muslims as friends.
http://discover-the-truth.com/2015/01/24/quran-328-not-to-take-non-believers-as-friends/

Osama Abdullah's article on this matter is located here: http://www.answering-christianity.com/friends.htm

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Re: Please refute these ONLY the questions below are unnecessary
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2016, 04:57:16 PM »
Thanks.

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Re: Please refute these ONLY the questions below are unnecessary
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2016, 05:06:57 PM »
Regarding the second link, I won't go into detail, just point out one flaw.
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Clearly "mischief" which is also equated to "waging war against Allah and His Messenger" in the very next verse, can and does apply to someone who simply refuses to accept Islam.

Their constructed conclusion is that because  mischief is equated as a simple disbelief in Allah, therefore disbelievers should be killed according to the Qur'an. First of all, the "mischief = simple disbelief" equation, they get only from exegeses of the Qur'an which are written by humans and can be erroneous. Also, I highly doubt they even quoted those texts sincerely. As far as I know, the Qur'an does not make this claim.

Secondly, this interpretation implies that Muslims should be killing all the disbelievers, why are they not doing so? Why are the Caliphs and Prophet known to have "not killed" all the disbelievers under their power when they got the chance? Either there is such an obvious contradiction in Islamic doctrine (which apparently Muslim scholars were unaware of) or this website is just being deliberately malicious.

Also, the same website (if I remember correctly) talks about dhimmis. Where did they come from, if all disbelievers were supposed to be killed as a command from Allah (as they allege)? At the very least, the website should have pointed out this apparent contradiction, seeing as it claims to be an "objective" source of Islam.

Objective source, yeah right!
If you want, I can provide you with clear proofs disproving their so-called "objectivity".

Regards,

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Re: Please refute these ONLY the questions below are unnecessary
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2016, 04:20:54 PM »
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_Forbids_You_Not_(Qur'an_60:8)

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew_a_Person

I need a full proper refutation please. I feel scared I might leave my faith (Insha allah not!).

http://calltotruth.weebly.com/misconceptions/rebuttal-to-wikiislam-if-anyone-slew-a-person

there was another article but cant find it .
Wikiislam basically say 5:32 refers to children of Israel but in response

1.If u want your book to be violent about killing u dont write verses condemning killing. Whether it be stories. Quran says stories are beneficial to us.

2. Prayer was ordained for children of Israel does tht mean its only for them not us

3. Uthman companion of Muhammad 3000 yrs later used 5:32 to prove killing is wrong which crushes the entire article because a sahaba even used it to prove killing is haram.

4.Quran says in other places do not kill a soul.

5. Hadiths say to MURDER  a human being is 1 of the greatest sins.

6. Hadith says if u kill a non muslim u wont smell paradise.

7.Quran says if enemy offers peace giv him peace imagine the 1 who is not your enemy.



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Re: Please refute these ONLY the questions below are unnecessary
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2016, 04:35:33 PM »
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_Forbids_You_Not_(Qur'an_60:8)

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew_a_Person

I need a full proper refutation please. I feel scared I might leave my faith (Insha allah not!).


The first article is bogus.


He says "According to the tafsir and hadith, this verse was revealed in the context of Abu Bakr's daughter, who refused to let her mother in the house because she was a disbeliever. As Muslims often scream about context (usually when faced with the more violent qur'anic verses), some would say because it was revealed in the context of disbelieving mothers, then it only applies in that context.
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theres verses in quran revealed talking about disblievers going hell. It was actually refering to certain disbelievers at the time does that mean its only for them NO. A verse can be  revealed in  a certain situation but be general. So for e.g  i say to u  be good to that man . Tht can be general also be good to all men.

Whats the proof its general the proof is after tht verse was revealved the prophet had good relations with the
1.Christians of najaran he was kind to them he let them pray in the mosq .
2. Conquest of mecca he was kind to them all he said to his enemies may God forgiv u
3.Quran says hes been sent as a mercy to the worlds so if hes sent as a mercy how can tht verse be only specific to tht.
4.The prophet said Allah will not be merciful to thsoe who are not merciful to MANKIND THT enough shows tht verse is general


Also,  i cnt find the hadith at the moment but ther was a verse revealved for a certain situation the man asked the prophet is it only refering to me  the prophet said all mankind. Also the verses of 4 wives was revealed in a certain situation but its general aswell. Like the verses of killing its a specific situation but it can be general aswell if a similar situation arises wer the enemy attacks.

5. Quran says we created mankind so they may get to knw

then1 another  the prophet recited this verse at the conquest of mecca aswell.



Then he quotes other verses of Quran about violence which has already been debunked . I can refute tht aswell


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Re: Please refute these ONLY the questions below are unnecessary
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2016, 04:40:13 PM »
Wikislam quote "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are stern against the unbelievers, merciful among themselves.

Surah Al-Fath 48:29

In the original Arabic, there is a shadda above the letter fa which indicates emphasis, meaning the word is more properly translated as “aggressive unbelievers” (kuffar) and not simply “unbelievers” (kafirin). This distinction is made clearer just a few verses earlier in the surah. Allah says:

هُمُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَصَدُّوكُمْ عَنِ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ وَالْهَدْيَ مَعْكُوفًا أَن يَبْلُغَ مَحِلَّهُ

They are the ones who disbelieved and obstructed you from the Sacred Mosque while the offering was prevented from reaching its place of sacrifice.

Surah Al-Fath 48:25

This distinction is made elsewhere in the Quran. Allah says:

الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَصَدُّوا عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ أَضَلَّ أَعْمَالَهُمْ

Those who disbelieve and prevent people from the way of Allah – He will nullify their deeds.

Surah Muhammad 47:1




Those who are merciful will be shown mercy by the Merciful; be merciful to the people of the earth and the One above the heavens will have mercy upon you.

Source: Sunan Abu Dawud 4941, Grade: Sahih

the proof tht verse was specific is because the prophet wasnt harsh at the conquest of makkah wasnt harsh with the christians of najaran . Also when umar conquered Jerusalem was he harsh no when amir ibn as conquered Egypt was he harsh no. Tht proves the verse is specific not general. Lets understand tht verse the way the early companions  understood it not wikiislam .



In sha Allah 1 day il make a website n rebut every article on wikislam answering islam etc