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« on: May 01, 2016, 09:43:51 pm »
What does that have to do with Muhammad's followers praying toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca, located in a town that did not exist before the 4th century AD, my friend? What does it have to do with Muhammad's followers engaging in thinly veneered Arabian pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals?
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Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

he Sabians were monotheistic MOON worshipers. No coincidence the Sabians/Harranians also:
1. "prayed five times a day
2. performed ablution
3. prostrated in prayer
4. fasted" (skipped lunch for a month) during the same month of Ramadan, which begins and ends with the crescent moon in the sky.
5. wore long white robes
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Just because some prophets prostrated at times doesn't make Islamic prayer valid. Prophets did not prostrate 5 times a day towards a idol temple with a  black stone. Only pagan did, and Muhammad copied them.


also he claims dome of the rock is the abomination of desolation in this link here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39msxDcJi

finally he mentioned this on his site

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Here are links to an archived Islamic site with an animated home page that might be enough to make a Bible believer's hair stand on end, with the following excerpt taken from this page, with the site's contents at this link.

"The truth is that This Quran is the 666 , The Book from The Lord of the Universe.
GOD made His Messenger a witness with the letter Qaf and the number 666."

The following links are to more Islamic sites that connect the Quran (Koran Kuran), and Islam's "Messenger", to the number 666. Scroll down (or Ctrl+f) on this link for the following quote:

"This book is the Quran; and the Quran is '666.'"

From another page:

"They say, '666 is the sign of the Anti Christ, the sign of the Anti Church.' Obviously the Church has recognized the importance of the 666, they believe that the number represents a force that shall rise against them."

Since the false prophet Muhammad denied the whole subject of the Gospel.....

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

.....and his followers are commanded to conquer all kingdoms and subjugate all people to denying the Son of God and rejecting the blood He shed for us all, is it really a stretch to consider that Muhammad could be THE false prophet of the book of Revelation, and his Islamic kingdom "beast" the final foe of God's people?

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Links to sections on this page include The 666 Beast, The Tragedy of the Mark and Saved By the Grace of God.
Here's a link to a 9 minute video regarding that site.
Here's a video of a Muslim that has 666 written on the page edges of his Quran.
Or Search - sura 1 to sura 36 is 666 - Example:

"The sum of sura numbers from Sura 1 to Sura 36 is 666 (Table 7)."

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

Not such a surprise for a Christian to find an association when we learn that the single most egregious and only unforgivable sin in Muhammadanism, is committed if a Muslim were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God or even pray in Jesus' name. As compared to child rape or cold-blooded mass murder, for example, which may be forgiven. (more on Islam's sin of "shirk")
 
"Allah" = 666 (link to this spot)

On the Zola Levitt program, Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist now Christian evangelist, said that when he saw the Greek symbol that is translated in the Bible as 666, he immediately read it as the Arabic character “Bismillah” (some spell Bismilla) which means "in the name of Allah." (Though it looks more like the character for "Allah").

Here's a seven minute video of Walid Shoebat on 666 at a different venue:

Below (left) are photos of Greek symbols translated in the Bible as 666, from Free Jesus.net:  The gold symbol (bottom and right) is Arabic for "Allah" when turned and mirrored.  Additionally, crossed swords are a symbol for Islam.  So in 666 we may find symbols for both "Islam" and "Allah".



If Shoebat's account seems a stretch, even though Arabic was his first language and Islam the religion he was indoctrinated into, consider how this Arabic character is stylized into many different artistic forms.  Consider also how some look for this character in trees, clouds and virtually everywhere, as this search link attests - even in a fish!

Can you make out the word in the picture below?



 
"This Quran is the 666" (link to this spot)

There is at least one sect of Islam, the Submission sect (Bahattin Uzunkaya), that considers the number 666 as well as the number 19, to demonstrate the perfection of the Koran and the proof that Muhammad is the prophet of Allah.

 

In some Muslim's own words: 

"The number 666 is highly publicized all over the world and it is associated with evil and danger.
However, it is not what it seems. It was a Satanic trick.
The trick was to prevent the people approaching the 666.
Satan knew that the 666 is the book of GOD and the people should be kept away from it.
According to his plan, he placed a bad image to the number 666."

"The truth is that This Quran is the 666 , The Book from The Lord of the Universe."

"The First Sura in the Quran, 666, is Praise. This sura is the gift of GOD to us to establish Contact with Him through our daily Contact Prayers. "

"GOD made His Messenger a witness with the letter Qaf and the number 666."

You can search - quran 666 - or try - sura 1 to sura 36 is 666
 
The 666 Beast (link to this spot)

This 666 connection is, however, just one anecdotal component of Bible prophecy pointing to the Middle Eastern Islamic empire as the leopard-bear-lion beast of Revelation 13.

This 666 "miracle" is found on a Turkish website that seems to have embellished Rashad Khalifa's prime number gematria, who began his research in 1968, or the year after the "times of the Gentiles" were fulfilled in Jerusalem. When first brought forward, Rashad Khalifa's mathematical "miracle" was widely embraced by Muslims throughout the Islamic world, including the Middle East. Khalifa eventually determined that according to his gematria, a few verses did not belong in the Quran, and as a result lost favor to the extent that he was eventually "stabbed 29 times and his body was drenched in xylol but not set alight". Submitters still believe Khalifa was a messenger of God. It is interesting to note, that out of the entire universe of numbers that Rashad's computer "miracle" could have arrived at as holy, that the number 666 would be one of the few.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six. {666}

Hermeneutics support that the Islamic empire is the "beast" kingdom of the above verse.

"...for it is the number of a man..." 
"GOD made His Messenger a witness with the letter Qaf and the number 666."

Exposing Muhammad as the "man" referenced.

Since most Muslims do not ascribe to this group that labels the Quran and Muhammad with the number 666, could this Islamic 666 "miracle" be a warning from God to Christians, Jews, and Muslims, as yet another fulfillment of the related prophecy in the Book of Revelation, now that we find ourselves in this "time of the end"?

The book of Daniel defines the term "beast": Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,…. Thus we learn that the term beast = kingdom when used in the figurative language of a dream or vision in prophecy, and particularly in the context of Daniel's lion, bear, leopard and fourth "dreadful", beasts. Bible scholars - Christian and Jew - almost universally understand these four "beasts" to be the successive kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and the Roman Empire. The leopard-bear-lion beast of Revelation then, is the Islamic empire, since it's occupies the same seat as those successive empires, today in Iraq (Babylon - lion), Iran (Medo-Persia - bear) and Syria/Lebanon (ancient Greece - leopard). These beasts are explored in more detail on their own page here, and in "The False Prophet" in this chapter.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.



 
The Tragedy of the Mark (link to this spot)

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken,..." As explained in the prior section the "beast" is the false prophet Muhammad's Islamic empire - his followers. More on the beast here.

"... and with him..." Daniel's beasts were assigned the masculine gender: "...and his nails [of] brass ..... and stamped the residue with his feet:"

"...the false prophet..." The false prophet Muhammad who founded his antichrist Islamic kingdom "beast".

"...that wrought miracles..." Some reject Muhammad as the false prophet because he did not perform a single miracle, however the Koine Greek word "semeion" translated as "miracles" and "signs", is defined in Strong's as "that by which a person is distinguished from others and is known". That makes Muhammad a perfect fit for the false prophet, since he is his known for his Quran, and has without question been distinguished from others by it for 1400 years. Muhammad's Quran is the "semeion" that he wrought before his people - Muslims - the "beast".

"...before him,..." From Strong's "before" meaning "in the presence of" - the beast.

"...with which he deceived them..." Muhammad's followers deceived by the Quran.

"...that had received the mark..." The number 666 according to some of Muhammad's own followers.
More on the "mark" of the beast at this link.
Also consider the physical prayer marks and bumps in Muhammad's followers foreheads.



"...of the beast, and them..." Islamic kingdom, Muhammad's followers

"...that worshipped his image." Today's Islam and second Jihad, are the image of the first Islamic Jihad, and the beast's ambition to conquer all the kingdoms of the world, and subjugate all people to Muhammad's followers.  Jihad is the pinnacle of worship in Islam.

"These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." Does the wrath of God get any more serious than that?

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Exegesis:

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them..." "them" the followers of Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast"

"...was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast..." Muhammad's Islamic empire

"...and the false prophet..." Muhammad

"...[are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Serious business indeed. Tormented forever and ever without rest, in a lake of fire and brimstone.

If we consider an ethnographic hermeneutic of John's whole "world" - that is looking through John's eyes at the time he penned the book of Revelation, which is required because his assignment was to:
Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
Those things John saw, sees and shall be - after John. Thus John's world would have been limited to the whole known world, or the Middle East area, and perhaps extending into the lands of the Roman Empire at that time.  The Bible was written about the Holy Land and God's people, not about Peoria Illinois. 

Eze 5:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.

Through this view we find Iraq, Iran and Syria/Lebanon (geographically the seat of the leopard-bear-lion beast of Revelation, and successive kingdom beasts of Daniel) to be from 90 to 99% Muslim. Other countries in the area are similarly Islamic - like Saudi Arabia at 100% and Turkey at 99% Muslim. 



In other words most everyone in the whole "world" that John knew, is today Muslim, and thus already have the mark.  In Saudi Arabia if a national announces they have converted to Christianity they are beheaded.  The penalty for "apostasy" or turning away from Islam, is death.  This is the prescribed punishment for Christian converts, from Islam to Christianity. The true hallmark of a dangerous cult.

 

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast {Islam - Muslim}, or the number {666} of his name.

And thus it is in much of the Middle East - or John's whole world - TODAY.  When we exercise the discipline of hermeneutic rules in our Bible study we find that prophecy is nearly fulfilled, and our Lord and Savior's return is truly imminent.

When I visited YouTube in about December of 2007 I did a search of - mark beast microchip - and found around 150 videos. When I did the same search on July 27, 2009 I found 645. On October 24, 2011 I found 2,220.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Some Muslims suggest that the Bible was corrupted or mistranslated to demonize Islam, and their above number of perfection 666, but Muhammad wasn't even born until over 500 years after the Bible was complete. By Muhammad's day scripture had already been copied thousands of times and in many languages. Changing the Bible 500 years after the fact would have been an obvious impossibility.  See Bible manuscript page.

Their absurd claims of corruption are even refuted by verses in their own book

Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), KEPT PURE AND HOLY,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.

Sura 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye STAND FAST BY the Law, THE GOSPEL, and ALL THE REVELATION that has come to you from YOUR Lord."
 
Saved By the Grace of God - The Good News (link to this spot)

God invites all those that today follow a false prophet, as well as those that are simply lost or unrepentant, to come to know the love of the one true God through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ:

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Micah 6:8  He hath shewed thee, O man, what [is] good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The Father and the Son are coexistent and the Lamb (Jesus) was slain from the foundation of the world by the sinful nature of mankind.

ISLAM IN PROPHECY - FREE ONLINE BOOK - THE FALSE PROPHET by Ellis Skolfield -
Skolfield has written about the central role of Islam in end-times prophecy for nearly 30 years using the traditional continuous historic view and the day-year, or day = year, principle of prophecy.

PLUS A FREE ONLINE BOOK - ISLAM REVIEWED - M. ALI

Here is the website for Ellis Skolfield
Here is the website for Muslims for Christ.
On this link are videos of Muslims who have come to know the love of God.
Here is the website for Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist - now saved Christian.
Here is a free book "Islam reviewed" written by a Nigerian that was raised Muslim, and is now a Christian evangelist.
Here is a Bible translated into Arabic, and much more, including an Arabic audio New Testament.
Answering Islam is an excellent site by X-Muslims that answers most any question you could have regarding Islam.

Training of children to Jihad in the Palestinian territories that you can view on this video link.
 
miracles
New Testament Greek Definition:
4592 semeion {say-mi'-on}
from a presumed derivative of the base of 4591; TDNT - 7:200,1015; n n
AV - sign 50, miracle 23, wonder 3, token 1; 77
1) a sign, mark, token
1a) that by which a person or a thing is distinguished from others and is known
1b) a sign, prodigy, portent, i.e. an unusual occurrence,
transcending the common course of nature
1b1) of signs portending remarkable events soon to happen
1b2) of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men
sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are
pleading is God's

 
before
New Testament Greek Definition:
1799 enopion {en-o'-pee-on}
neuter of a compound of 1722 and a derivative of 3700;; prep
AV - before 64, in the sight of 16, in the presence of 7,
in (one's) sight 5, in (one's) presence 2, to 1, not tr 2; 97
1) in the presence of, before
1a) of occupied place: in that place which is before, or over against,
opposite, any one and towards which another turns his eyes


Things certainly haven't changed over the 100 years since Churchill.

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live…The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities…but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa…and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.” - by Sir Winston Churchill - The River War, Vol. II, pp. 248-50, London; Longman, Green & Co., 1899

link here http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam__quran_and_666.htm

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Re: can someone debunk these statements
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2016, 10:52:40 pm »
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Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

When Paul claim to met Jesus in the desert, he began to spread stories that Jesus resurrected and also claimed Israelite practises are abolished. He interprete that as  Jesus got resurrected and ascends, and so is the repetitions prayers of Israelite practises ends. Sufficient to only believe in story of resurrection.

And later Hellenistic followers of Paul, injected stories by writting Greek books about divine Jesus, and injected Pauline doctrines about not following Israelite practises as well into stories about Jesus. Mat 6:7 is a nice example.

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2016, 11:42:27 pm »
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http://www.judaism-islam.com/similarities-between-masjid-al-haram-and-the-jewish-temple/
http://binsalaam.tripod.com/similarities.htm

For skeptics, one can only claim Islam being a direct copycat of Israeltie religion. Some even say Islam came from a much more ancient religion being offshoot religion of Noah. Nothing pagan.

The only clear pagan influence here would be the author's Hellenistic Christian belief of God manifesting on earth in human form.
Where they believe that their manifested War God will not guide non belivers to make peace with believers but rather, as War God returned he will send them to hell on earth. And still not satisfied punishing them in hell, he will release their leader first so the evil leader can prepare his armies on earth to attack the War God. The War God will boast his triumph by instantly winning the battle by invoking fire from the sky to torment them with painful ending.

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616 or 666.
If the past Greek Hellenistic authors chose to use 666, it is due to them pointing out that 666 refers to the beast that will come from the lineage of Adonikam to rebuild the temple for the Jews.

Nothing to do with Islam

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Re: can someone debunk these statements
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2016, 01:25:19 am »
Sorry about not reading most of above, but one thing caught my eye:

* Here is the website for Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist - now saved Christian.

Check these out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJIgiYrU87c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Tzz51VYXg

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Re: can someone debunk these statements
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 04:05:42 am »
As-Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

Guys you talking again about the 666 number as an alleged reference to Islam, Allah or the Quran.
And again, I’ am addressing you to read the following article by Michael Scheifler on 666 number and it’s shocking relation to the Latin "Vicarius Filii Dei" that is desperately rejected by the Catholic apologetics (still with no effects):

Link: http://biblelight.net/666.htm

I invite Walid Shoebat to refute Scheifler’s article ! If he couldn’t, then let him stop claiming these stupid arguments which are based on his subjective views and his own interpretation. In the above article Michael Scheifler provides a stunnig proofs directly from the Canonical Law of the Roman Church.

Also read about insane claims of Popes toward their authority (e.g. they claims to be God on earth!):

Link: http://biblelight.net/claims.htm


Take care, and salam
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 07:39:41 pm »
Warning to Introvert98:

While I give you the freedom to post what you want, but don't insult our Faith.  Calling our Prophet "the false prophet Muhammad" is not acceptable here.  You can paraphrase the garbage that you collect from the anti-Islamic evangelical dumpsters.  Don't dump it raw here.  I won't tolerate a doomed-to-Hell polytheist trinitarian pagan such as yourself to insult our Holy Prophet here.  You're nothing but a doomed-to-Hell infidel.  Don't mistaken our kindness here for weakness.

As to Islam's rituals, I've gone through this and proven that all of Islam's rituals are also 100% supported in the previous Scriptures.  FASTING, PROSTRATING, DOING PILGRIMAGE are all pillars of the original Faith, and each one of them is supported in the Bible’s Scriptures and outside the Bible’s Scriptures.  See Psalm 138:2 “I will bow to you in the direction of your Holy Temple.”, Genesis 28:16-18, Judges 20:18, 1 Chronicles 6:47-49, Numbers 24:3-5, Deuteronomy 9:17-19, Deuteronomy 9:25, 1 Kings 18:39, Matthew 26:39 (Jeusus worshiped the Muslims’ way), Genesis 47:9, Psalm 119:54, Nehemiah 9:1, Esther 4:3, Psalm 35:13, Psalm 69:10, Daniel 6:18, Matthew 15:32.
   
The Bible's fasting is not eating and drinking:  Luke5:33 They said to him, “John’s disciples often fast and pray, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours go on eating and drinking.”

Matthew 6:16 "When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."

www.answering-christianity.com/walid_shoebat_islam_satan_rebuttal.htm#isaiah_34_35  (Path to Mecca will be called the PATH OF HOLINESS in the Bible)
www.answering-christianity.com/tawaaf_around_kaaba_supported_in_bible.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/que11.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/kaaba.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/tawaaf_around_kaaba_supported_in_bible.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm




Circumambulation around the Kaaba 7 times is in the Bible:

Is the circumambulation (tawaaf) around the Kaaba  seven times, during the Islamic Hajj (pilgrimage), supported in the  Bible?
www.answering-christianity.com/tawaaf_around_kaaba_supported_in_bible.htm

In this link, you'll also see how in the previous Scriptures, the house of GOD Almighty will be established in Arabia where the flocks of Kedar live.  So the pagans defiling the House of GOD Almighty and putting idols there, which Islam came to smash and remove forever, doesn't mean that the pagans own the House.  The House is GOD Almighty's and Islam came to clean it and restore it.

Also, the path to Mecca will be called THE PATH OF HOLINESS in the Bible:

www.answering-christianity.com/walid_shoebat_islam_satan_rebuttal.htm#isaiah_34_35
www.answering-christianity.com/tawaaf_around_kaaba_supported_in_bible.htm




The Bible's Holy Black Stones:

The black stone isn't holy in Islam.  It was an asteroid that Allah Almighty sent down to determine the location of where the House was to be built by Abraham and Ishmael, peace be upon both of them.  However, the Bible has REAL HOLY STONES that even get anointed with olive oil:

Genesis 28:18
When Jacob got up early the next morning, he took the rock that he had used for a pillow and  stood it up for a place of worship. Then he  poured olive oil on the rock to dedicate it to God,

For ample more Biblical verses, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone.htm

Also visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/que11.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/kaaba.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/tawaaf_around_kaaba_supported_in_bible.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm




Islam is 666?

This lie had been thoroughly refuted many times before.  See Walid Shoebat's deliberate lies here:

www.answering-christianity.com/666.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/dajjal.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm


The Bible in Daniel 11:45 says that the anti-Christ will settle in modern-day Israel:

Daniel 11:45:   "(the evil one) will establish his settlement between  Mount Zion (Jerusalem) and the  Mediterranean sea.  Then he will be destroyed, and no one will be able to save him."

He will settle between Jerusalem and the Mediterranean sea.  That's precisely Israel today.

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Re: can someone debunk these statements
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 07:56:24 pm »
Just so that I don't get misunderstood here, Introvert98, you can still post all of the questions and criticism on Islam here.  Just don't post insults on Islam.  Believe me dude, we are not afraid to defend our Holy and Precious Religion, Islam.  With Allah Almighty's Grace, Kindness, Mercy and Will, this site alone has all of the refutations to all of the lies that any doomed-to-Hell infidel can bring on Islam.  All Thanks, Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, and no one else.

So bring it on.  I am not afraid of any article.  Just don't act like a wise ass and post insults on Islam under the cover of other articles.  That will not be tolerated.

And one important point for you to always keep in mind, dude:  The Quran doesn't produce agnostics and atheists.  It is your Bible that produces the largest number of agnostics and atheists from its followers.  Close to 25% of Americans in the USA alone, today, identify themselves as either agnostics or atheists.

To Muslims, the West has become a gold mine for Islam.  We must step up our efforts in reaching out to the lost souls there. 

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Re: can someone debunk these statements
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2016, 10:11:50 am »
Warning to Introvert98:

While I give you the freedom to post what you want, but don't insult our Faith.  Calling our Prophet "the false prophet Muhammad" is not acceptable here.  You can paraphrase the garbage that you collect from the anti-Islamic evangelical dumpsters.  Don't dump it raw here.  I won't tolerate a doomed-to-Hell polytheist trinitarian pagan such as yourself to insult our Holy Prophet here.  You're nothing but a doomed-to-Hell infidel.  Don't mistaken our kindness here for weakness.

As to Islam's rituals, I've gone through this and proven that all of Islam's rituals are also 100% supported in the previous Scriptures.  FASTING, PROSTRATING, DOING PILGRIMAGE are all pillars of the original Faith, and each one of them is supported in the Bible’s Scriptures and outside the Bible’s Scriptures.  See Psalm 138:2 “I will bow to you in the direction of your Holy Temple.”, Genesis 28:16-18, Judges 20:18, 1 Chronicles 6:47-49, Numbers 24:3-5, Deuteronomy 9:17-19, Deuteronomy 9:25, 1 Kings 18:39, Matthew 26:39 (Jeusus worshiped the Muslims’ way), Genesis 47:9, Psalm 119:54, Nehemiah 9:1, Esther 4:3, Psalm 35:13, Psalm 69:10, Daniel 6:18, Matthew 15:32.
   
The Bible's fasting is not eating and drinking:  Luke5:33 They said to him, “John’s disciples often fast and pray, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours go on eating and drinking.”

Matthew 6:16 "When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."

www.answering-christianity.com/walid_shoebat_islam_satan_rebuttal.htm#isaiah_34_35  (Path to Mecca will be called the PATH OF HOLINESS in the Bible)
www.answering-christianity.com/tawaaf_around_kaaba_supported_in_bible.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/que11.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/kaaba.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/tawaaf_around_kaaba_supported_in_bible.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm




Circumambulation around the Kaaba 7 times is in the Bible:

Is the circumambulation (tawaaf) around the Kaaba  seven times, during the Islamic Hajj (pilgrimage), supported in the  Bible?
www.answering-christianity.com/tawaaf_around_kaaba_supported_in_bible.htm

In this link, you'll also see how in the previous Scriptures, the house of GOD Almighty will be established in Arabia where the flocks of Kedar live.  So the pagans defiling the House of GOD Almighty and putting idols there, which Islam came to smash and remove forever, doesn't mean that the pagans own the House.  The House is GOD Almighty's and Islam came to clean it and restore it.

Also, the path to Mecca will be called THE PATH OF HOLINESS in the Bible:

www.answering-christianity.com/walid_shoebat_islam_satan_rebuttal.htm#isaiah_34_35
www.answering-christianity.com/tawaaf_around_kaaba_supported_in_bible.htm




The Bible's Holy Black Stones:

The black stone isn't holy in Islam.  It was an asteroid that Allah Almighty sent down to determine the location of where the House was to be built by Abraham and Ishmael, peace be upon both of them.  However, the Bible has REAL HOLY STONES that even get anointed with olive oil:

Genesis 28:18
When Jacob got up early the next morning, he took the rock that he had used for a pillow and  stood it up for a place of worship. Then he  poured olive oil on the rock to dedicate it to God,

For ample more Biblical verses, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone.htm

Also visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/que11.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/kaaba.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/tawaaf_around_kaaba_supported_in_bible.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm




Islam is 666?

This lie had been thoroughly refuted many times before.  See Walid Shoebat's deliberate lies here:

www.answering-christianity.com/666.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/dajjal.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm


The Bible in Daniel 11:45 says that the anti-Christ will settle in modern-day Israel:

Daniel 11:45:   "(the evil one) will establish his settlement between  Mount Zion (Jerusalem) and the  Mediterranean sea.  Then he will be destroyed, and no one will be able to save him."

He will settle between Jerusalem and the Mediterranean sea.  That's precisely Israel today.

Osama Abdallah


I am Muslim I never insulted it, I just posted a copy and paste text of the article I wanted debunked

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Re: can someone debunk these statements
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2016, 10:14:00 am »
 Brother Osama, Introvert is a Muslim lol. Stop calling everyone a "doomed to hell infidel".

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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2016, 10:15:20 am »
Sorry for any misunderstanding I just wanted a rebuttal that's all

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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2016, 04:02:15 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum akhi Introvert98,

I am sorry for misunderstanding you, akhi.  I hope you accept my apology.  I misunderstood you.

By the way, as to the point on repetition of prayers being forbidden, it's ironic that the New Testament vomits it, because Jesus (peace be upon him) on the night of crucifixion prayed repeatedly ENDLESS TIMES to GOD Almighty to save him from the crucifixion.  He even bowed his face down to the ground as we Muslims do in Prayer:

www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_hypocrite.htm

So Jesus in normal days wouldn't bow his face to the ground before GOD Almighty.  But when he was desperate, he gave GOD the BEST PRAYER POSSIBLE?  See the irony, hypocrisy and falsehood in this teaching in the NT?

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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2016, 07:12:08 pm »
And whatever happened to the following way of Praying to GOD Almighty:

"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.   (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

How come the corrupt and false New Testament nullified it?  So now bowing your face to GOD Almighty isn't allowed in the NT?  Yet, Jesus himself did it.

What temple do Christians bow towards today?  No Temple!  And how come they don't bow in the direction of the KAABA in Mecca, which was Prophesied in the OT?  Again, visit the links above to the see the Old Testament's Prophecies about the Kaaba and Mecca.

The doomed-to-Hell polytheist trinitarian pagans and infidels follow nothing but falsehood and conjecture.  And the doomed-to-Hell corrupt Jews don't follow GOD Almighty's Command to them, because they hate and despise the Ishmaelites.  Yet, GOD Almighty Said that He'll establish His HOLY HOUSE in the lands of Kedar (one of Ishamel's sons).  Not only that, but even in the Bible, Ishmael was the sacrificial son, not Isaac, peace be upon both of them.  I've thoroughly proven this at:

www.answering-christianity.com/Rebekah_story_proves_bible_full_of_hoaxes.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/isaac_and_ishmael.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/walid_shoebat_islam_satan_rebuttal.htm#isaiah_34_35
www.answering-christianity.com/tawaaf_around_kaaba_supported_in_bible.htm


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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2016, 11:09:52 pm »
Christians might answer this by saying that Jesus is our Temple.  After all, he said to the Jews that he'll destroy their Temple and rebuild it in three days:

John 2:19
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

Mark 14:58
"We heard him say, 'I will destroy this temple made with human hands and in three days will build another, not made with hands.'"

The problem with this is the following:

1-  This statement is corrupt (not from Jesus), because Jesus himself BOWED TO HIS CREATOR as we Muslims do.  AT THE VERY LEAST, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE TEMPLE that will be built in Arabia, in the Lands of Kedar (modern-day Saudi Arabia).  The Bible also says that the Path to the House of GOD there will be called the PATH OF HOLINESS.  So, even if the temple of the Jews was replaced with Jesus being the Temple, this still has nothing to do with the House of GOD Almighty in Arabia.  Again, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/walid_shoebat_islam_satan_rebuttal.htm#isaiah_34_35
www.answering-christianity.com/tawaaf_around_kaaba_supported_in_bible.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/Rebekah_story_proves_bible_full_of_hoaxes.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/isaac_and_ishmael.htm


A thought from me on this point:

Perhaps this is also why Muslims were Commanded by Allah Almighty to change their Qibla (direction of Prayer) from Jerusalem to Mecca.  The REAL HOUSE OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY is in Mecca.  The one in Jerusalem is an abrogated one:

[002:142]  The fools among the people will say: "What hath turned them from the Qibla to which they were used?" Say: To God belong both east and West: He guideth whom He will to a Way that is straight.

[002:143]  And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the Apostle may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the Apostle from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people.

[002:145]  [002:145]  And even if thou shouldst bring every Sign to those who have been given the Book, they would not follow thy Qiblah nor wouldst thou follow their Qiblah, nor would some of them follow the Qiblah of others. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to thee, then thou shalt surely be of the transgressors.

But the Farthest Mosque in Jerusalem (Al-Quds) remains a Holy Place for the Muslims for all times, because Allah Almighty Sent Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, there on the Night Journey:

[017:001]  Glory to (God) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).

And Allah Almighty always Knows best on this point and on all points.


2-  Jesus was never crucified, even according to the Bible.  In fact, Psalm 91 and other books ASSURE US that he will never die.

3-  The gospel of John was proven to be corrupt on so many levels.  Many additions had been added to it, and the very author in the end of the book admits that it wasn't even the original work of John.

4-  The Jews' Temple did indeed get destroyed.  And Jesus, peace be upon him, being THEIR MESSIAH proves that indeed he is their Salvation as the Messenger of GOD Almighty.  All Messengers of GOD Almighty are the saviours of their people.

For ample more on this, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/psalm_91.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
  (See what Jesus said about himself in the Bible, which proves he is not our Creator)

Take care,
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2017, 02:14:34 pm »
What does that have to do with Muhammad's followers praying toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca, located in a town that did not exist before the 4th century AD, my friend? What does it have to do with Muhammad's followers engaging in thinly veneered Arabian pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals?
watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

he Sabians were monotheistic MOON worshipers. No coincidence the Sabians/Harranians also:
1. "prayed five times a day
2. performed ablution
3. prostrated in prayer
4. fasted" (skipped lunch for a month) during the same month of Ramadan, which begins and ends with the crescent moon in the sky.
5. wore long white robes
watch?v=yR3Bla8YwbU

Just because some prophets prostrated at times doesn't make Islamic prayer valid. Prophets did not prostrate 5 times a day towards a idol temple with a  black stone. Only pagan did, and Muhammad copied them.

Assalaaamu alaiykum,

To begin, the holy city of Mecca has been proven to predate the 4th century CE back to at least before the 1st century BCE, where it is referred to as "Makoraba" and even earlier in the Bible where it is referred to as "Bakka". The Kaaba was built by Prophet Abraham and his son, Prophet Ishmael as a house of God, for monotheists to sanctify, pray, and circumambulate:

Qur'an (English Translation) 22:26-29: We showed Abraham the site of the House, saying, ‘Do not assign partners to Me. Purify My House for those who circle around it, those who stand to pray, and those who bow and prostrate themselves. Proclaim the Pilgrimage to all people. They will come to you on foot and on every kind of swift mount, emerging from every deep mountain pass to attain benefits and celebrate God’s name, on specified days, over the livestock He has provided for them––feed yourselves and the poor and unfortunate––so let the pilgrims perform their acts of cleansing, fulfill their vows, and circle around the Ancient House.’

Later generations of Arabs corrupted it with polytheism and idolatry, until Prophet Muhammad purified it around 629 CE and restored the Abrahamic rituals associated with it and with the pilgrimage to it. Furthermore, the "black stone" at the corner of the Kaaba is not an "idol", it is only used as a marker for the starting and ending point of circumambulation around the Kaaba.

With regards to the Harranians and their polytheistic idolatry, both have erroneously been conflated with the true Sabians and their rituals. Historically, there were 2 groups of people referred to as "Sabians": The Mandaeans and the Harranians, with the former being monotheistic, while the latter was polytheistic. However, the polytheistic Harranians only adopted the term "Sabian" for themselves in 832-833 CE when they felt pressured to do so under Caliph al-Ma'mun. Before that time, only the Mandaeans were referred to as "Sabians", and therefore it is only the Mandaeans who are the "Sabians" mentioned in the Holy Qur'an and by the earliest Muslims before the rule of Caliph al-Ma'mun. The earliest descriptions of these Sabians by Muslims were that they were "a sect of Christianity", believe that "there is no deity but God", "read the Zabur (Psalms)", "fast 30 days a year", "believed in prophets and prayed five times daily" whose religion was said to be "between Judaism and Magianism". In addition they declared their chief prophet to be Prophet Yahya bin Zakariyya ("John the Baptist"). However, they are said to believe in some Prophets (ex: Adam, Noah, Yahya) while rejecting others (ex: Moses, Abraham, Jesus), which is denounced in the Qur'an:

Qur'an (English Translation) 150-152: As for those who ignore God and His messengers and want to make a distinction between them, saying, ‘We believe in some but not in others,’ seeking a middle way, they are really disbelievers: We have prepared a humiliating punishment for those who disbelieve. But God will give [due] rewards to those who believe in Him and His messengers and make no distinction between any of them. God is most forgiving and merciful.

Like Judaism and Christianity, Sabianism/Mandaeism also has similarities and differences with Islam. This is to be expected if they adhere to any of the messages of God's prophets, whose messages have always been Islam (Harmony with God). The similarities and parallels with the other Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Sabianism) only further underscores the fact that Islam is not a new religion that started with Prophet Muhammad, but is a religion adhered to by all of God's prophets, since Prophet Adam and Prophet Abraham. The laws, traditions and rituals may vary according to changing times, peoples and circumstances, but the religion does not.

also he claims dome of the rock is the abomination of desolation in this link here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39msxDcJi

finally he mentioned this on his site


With regards to Biblical prophecy, many Christians, especially of the Zionist variety, have erroneously conflated it antagonistically with Islamic prophecy, and with Islam in general, where the protagonists in one are the antagonists in the other, and vice versa. Unfortunately for this approach, there are a lot of major inconsistencies, which they haphazardly try to gloss over with mental gymnastics and a lot of creative interpretation. There is of course much greater consistency when Biblical prophecy and Islamic prophecy are interpreted with a more complementary understanding, rather than an adversarial one. So here is the key to interpreting Biblical prophecy in contemporary terms:

The 5th Kingdom (in the prophecy of Daniel): The Kingdom of God on Earth = Islam, including the Muslim Caliphates, Sultanates and dynasties of the past

The third temple = Masjid al-Aqsa/Bayt al-Maqduis in Jerusalem

The Awaited Unlettered Prophet = The Shiloh = The Paraclete = The Spirit of Truth = The Son of Man who will come in the latter days = The Chosen One (Mustafa) = Ahmad = Prophet Muhammad – God's blessing and peace be on him.

The New Jerusalem = Makkah/Mecca.

The "Davidic king" of latter-days/" "(Promised) Deliverer"/The "Prince of Princes" = The Khalifatullah (Deputy of God), Imam Sayyid Muhammad bin Abdullah, the Mahdi

Jesus Christ = the Messiah, 'Eyssa bin Maryam.

The Beast ("Anti-Christ") = the Dajjal as an unseen force and a worldwide social, cultural phenomenon.

The false Prophet = the false Messiah (al-Masih ad-dajjal)

The 2 witnesses = the 2 Angels resembling 2 Prophets that will accompany the false Messiah on either side of him, bear witnessing against him (Ref: Musnad Ahmad)

The Saints of the Most High = the Muslims

Gog and Magog = Ya'juj and Ma'juj

The little horn = the abomination of desolation = the State of Israel.

The New Babylon = New York City.

The Great Harlot = the United States of America.