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Offline Introvert98

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Third person writing in Quran?
« on: July 02, 2016, 07:49:26 PM »
Why does this seem like it was written in third person

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Re: Third person writing in Quran?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2016, 05:36:41 AM »
Assalamu 'Alaykum.
Recently there was a debate b.w me,some brothers and some trolls on FB.(*It is still going on,that troll is repeating the same questions which I answered!looks like sign of Victory!)
I will quote parts of the posts and comments.
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This is a part of a Brother's post:

Quote from: Brother Driss Drizen EL Mouden 
..........For a long time many people believed that Moses wrote the five books called Torah in the Bible. But now it is widely known that Moses could not have written those books in their entirety. One evidence for this is that Chapter 34 of the book of Deuteronomy describes the death and burial of Moses, and how the people mourned for him after his death. Obviously, Moses did not write that passage. Biblical scholars also acknowledge that the present composition of the Psalms cannot in its entirety be traced back to David.........

link=  https://www.facebook.com/groups/1033279793400404/permalink/1119747258086990/

And a part of the troll's comment:

Quote from: Troll Nana Niezer
" ........One evidence is chapter 34 of the Book of Deuteronomy and describes the death and burial of Moses and how the people mourn for him after his death. Obviously Moses did not write those passages. Biblical scholars also acknowledges the the Psalms cannot in its entirety be traced to David. I've answers to those questions but do you also have answers to Quran60:13,"Believers (Muslims)! Do not make friends with those who have incurred the wrath of Allah..." Definately it isn't Allah speaking here. It's somebody advising. Read Quran66:3-5,"The Prophet once told one of his wives something in confidence. She did not keep it secret and God informed him of this;...." this is also not Allah reciting this ayah?........


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I made another post in which I replied to all her comments.Here is a small part of that :

Quote from: My Response
...........You are asking ”this is also not Allah reciting this ayah?” and saying “Definately it isn't Allah speaking here.”.
I don't exactly know why you say so,but I think you are confused because of the use of third-person speech.
 It is one of the rhetorical styles of the Quran .
More info about usage of 1st person,2nd person,3rd person,singular and plural by Allah for Himself :
1. http://www.questionsonislam.com/question/why-does-allah-say-he-most-merciful-instead-i-am-most-merciful-quran-why-does-he-use-third-
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIXxkWmw_yI
3. http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=91673
4. http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Grammar/robinson.html

But the issue raised by brother Driss is not like what you are saying.
Christians believe that the first five books in the Bible are written by Moses(A),and they believe it is the Torah. Deuteronomy is the last one in those five books.
Now I am Quoting from Chapter 34,Book of Deuteronomy,Holy Bible,Revised Standard Version.
[So Moses the servant of the Lord DIED there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord, ](Deuteronomy 34:5)
Moses(A) died?Is this the words from a book WRITTEN by Moses(A)?Moses(A) probably didn't come back from death to write this.So someone else wrote this.
[He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. ](Deuteronomy 34:6)
So this was written after the burial of Moses(A).Certainly Moses(A) didn't write anything after his burial.If he(A) had stretched his hand out from the grave to write this and give this,People could have found where that grave is.But the verse says that 'no one knows where his grave is.' ................
(link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1033279793400404/permalink/1126271930767856/ )

The answer is simple.
The use of 1st,2nd,3rd persons and singular and plural ,etc are just one of the rhetorical styles of the Holy Qur'an .
visit the links I gave that troll for more info about this.
Hope it helps.
Salaam.
s.h.o

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Re: Third person writing in Quran?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2016, 12:37:58 PM »
when God is being referred as third person its always singular third person . Never can one find God being in plural third person e.g. Them/They.

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Re: Third person writing in Quran?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2016, 03:34:17 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Please visit this link: www.answering-christianity.com/pslams_of_the_quran.htm.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah