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Offline Awesome31310

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Answering-Christianity and ideological consistency
« on: July 28, 2016, 09:22:29 AM »
On one hand, the administrator claims

"Besides, with all of this tumult that is happening between Sunnis and Shias in the Muslim world, where today we have 60,000 in Syria alone got killed because of this very issue.."

On numerous other pages from the same website, he claims that the destabilization in the Middle East is the product of a Jewish conspiracy, and not religious in-fighting. Which one is it?


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Re: Answering-Christianity and ideological consistency
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2016, 05:37:27 PM »
 Hello sir. Are you a non-Muslim? Regarding your question:

 I think that Osama should answer this questoon since it is directed at him, but I have a few things to say. First, I don't agree with all of Osama's overhyped conspiracy theories. He believes that just because something has a single eye on it then that means it comes from the Al-Masih Al-Dajjal  (the false messiah or the anti-Christ)  which is ridiculous and not true. Second, he has so many weird conspiracies regarding the Jews. The Quran tells us that they will be in a high place in this life and that is it. We don't go and blame every single bad thing on them! All we know is that all of the trouble in the middle east is because of the western countriess' interference, we don't go as far as to say that it was done by the Jews. Maybe or maybe not.


Regarding the shias:

 It is actually the shias who are killing the sunnis. Bashar al-Assad is a shia himself and so are his supporters. Same thing goes for Lebanon and Yemen. They have Hizbollah and the Houthis. The shias are NOT Muslims. That is like saying a Mormon is a Christian.

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Re: Answering-Christianity and ideological consistency
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2016, 06:08:52 PM »
I have done my research. I'm a Non-Muslim but I am fully aware of what happens to Shiites in countries like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.

The Saudi Arabian government claims they are apostates and dictates the death penalty for them in their law. The Taliban is very Anti-Shiite, as are other major radical Islamic terrorist groups.

As for his conspiracy theories, they are not only anti-semitic, but anti-pagan as well.

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Re: Answering-Christianity and ideological consistency
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2016, 09:04:54 PM »
I have done my research. I'm a Non-Muslim but I am fully aware of what happens to Shiites in countries like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.


 IDK what kind of research that you are doing, but it must be really bad lol.


The Saudi Arabian government claims they (the Shias) are apostates and dictates the death penalty for them in their law. The Taliban is very Anti-Shiite, as are other major radical Islamic terrorist groups.

 First, how are the Shiites (Shias) apostates when they weren't Muslims in the first place? And yes, the punishment for apostasy is death in Islam. I recommend that you read the following links:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2012/05/punishment-apostasy-islam-rationale.html

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/of_course_apostates_should_be_killed

There are way more reasons for this punishment. I might discuss them at a later date.

 Second, no. In fact, the Shiites are treated pretty fairly in Saudi Arabia and many Shiites from the city of Qatif are converting to Islam (Sunni Islam). However, the country did treat the Shiites extremely unfairly at the beginning. As for Pakistan, I'm no Pakistani so I'm not obliged to speak about the country. But I would just like to tell you that the Taliban kills more Sunnis than Shiites.



So what is your religion? It seems that you hate Catholics so I am assuming that you are a Protestant?

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Re: Answering-Christianity and ideological consistency
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2016, 03:28:04 AM »
As for my religious views, I am a Gnostic Luciferian, but what is that, but a mere label?

The treatment of Shiites under Sunni rule has been well documented by Non-Muslim sources.
 
"ISIS believes that the Shias are apostates and must die in order to forge a pure form of Islam. BAGHDAD: Whether a person is a Shia or a Sunni Muslim in Iraq can now be, quite literally, a matter of life and death."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/4-questions-ISIS-rebels-use-to-tell-Sunni-from-Shia/articleshow/37257563.cms


"the Shiites are treated pretty fairly in Saudi Arabia"

Structural poverty worse than the kind we have for African Americans in the United States for Shiites in Saudi Arabia
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/12/03/saudi-arabia-has-a-shiite-problem-royal-family-saud/

Crusade-like raids of the Shiite city of Karbala in the 19th century:
"Muslims [Wahhabis referred to themselves as Muslims, not believing Shia to be Muslims] scaled the walls, entered the city [...] and killed the majority of its people in the markets and in their homes. [They] destroyed the dome placed over the grave of al-Husayn [and took] whatever they found inside the dome and its surroundings [...] the grille surrounding the tomb which was encrusted with emeralds, rubies, and other jewels [...] different types of property, weapons, clothing, carpets, gold, silver, precious copies of the Qur'an.""
http://wahhabism-info.com/Essay/Chapter02.htm

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Re: Answering-Christianity and ideological consistency
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2016, 12:15:09 PM »
Iran was 'Sunni' nation just like its surrounding countries were all 'Sunnis' through many sects.

Shiaism crept inside Iran 400 years ago. Shias even admit Sunni were the majority centuries ago.
But that would not make sense at all claiming Sunni were the majority prior to Shia over-taking Iran.

Assuming 60% Sunni at that time and 40% Shia harmoniously living together in Iran for 700 years without civil war is simply impossible; unless Iran was entirely Sunni.

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Re: Answering-Christianity and ideological consistency
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2016, 04:49:11 PM »
Assuming 60% Sunni at that time and 40% Shia harmoniously living together in Iran for 700 years without civil war is simply impossible

This is very true, thanks for at least admitting that.

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Re: Answering-Christianity and ideological consistency
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2016, 10:53:39 PM »
@Awesome31310

As for my religious views, I am a Gnostic Luciferian, but what is that, but a mere label?

The treatment of Shiites under Sunni rule has been well documented by Non-Muslim sources.

 Not really, the media is known for over hating Saudi Arabia and creating big lies against it. An example of that is the lie that women can't get out of their houses without their husbands and that they cannot create a bank account on their own. If that was the case then the malls would be 100% empty! The claim that Saudi Arabia has 15% Shiites is TOO much. I can see it being 5%, but anything higher than that is overdone. In fact, I see more Christians and Hindus than Shiites over here! Most Shiites live on the eastern side of Saudi Arabia, mostly the Sharqiyyah region (includes cities like Dammam and Qatif). It is true that the cities in which the Sunnis live in are richer and lack poverty. And this is normal because every single place with a lot Shiites in it is doomed.


 Lebanon (40% Shiite, 40% Christians and Sunnis): Hezbollah (terrorist Shiite group), terrorist attacks on the rise, Saudi Arabia refused to give them 4 million because of Hezbollah, and illiteracy rates are a bit high.

 Iraq (90% Shiite): Terrorist groups, war, destruction, poverty, Sunnis are discriminated against, and last month the Iraqi government told the Sunnis to stop protesting for their rights.

 Iran (90-95% Shiite): Same reasons as Iraq but at a less rate.

  Yemen (47% Shiite and the rest Sunni): The Houthis (Shiite terrorist group) are causing a war in Yemen at the moment and same reasons as Iraq but at a larger rate. The Sunni Yemenis always tend to be the educated and the righteous people while the Shiites are low class.

 Syria (10% Shiite and Bashar al-Assad  and his supporters are Shiites): The biggest reason for the war in Syria is because of the Shiites and same reasons as Yemen and Iraq but at a higher rate.


As we can see, ALL countries with either a huge Shiite population or a Shiite ruler suffer.



Only 1% of Muslims support ISIS (see the Pew Research Laboratory's study) so it is pointless to bring them up and just like I said before, ISIS kills more Sunnis than Shiites or Christians. Last month they bombed the holy city of Medina. As for the stuff regarding Wahabis, see my debate with Osama Abdallah on this site. I will continue it later inshaAllah. 



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Re: Answering-Christianity and ideological consistency
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2016, 06:01:04 AM »
Just wanted to say how familiar the above argument is. Just replace "Shiite" with "Muslims" in general and most people will believe this was from a right-wing Christian.

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Re: Answering-Christianity and ideological consistency
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2016, 08:09:33 AM »
It is true that the cities in which the Sunnis live in are richer and lack poverty. And this is normal because every single place with a lot Shiites in it is doomed.

This is normal under capitalism, we call it "systemic racism/poverty". For example, in the United States (Because that's the social structure I'm most knowledgable of), cities with a black/non-white majority (ie Detroit) are very poor and underfunded by the government. Their tap water is poisoned, and the government simply does not care about them. Unfortunately, like you have blamed the Shiite minorities in Saudi Arabia for their own poverty, the right winged white majority in the United States blames the blacks for their own poverty as well.

Just wanted to say how familiar the above argument is. Just replace "Shiite" with "Muslims" in general and most people will believe this was from a right-wing Christian.

Hahaha, I know right?