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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2016, 06:10:23 am »
Most of the earth verses in Quran are describing about how spacious the earth from one's viewpoint as the space is constraint by the the farthest of horizon one sees anywhere he stands. One will feel at ease seeing the vastness of earth.

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2016, 07:50:41 pm »
To Ramihs,
The Scholars of the old taught the earth was a circular sphere,
look at Old Muslim maps
For Example Muhammad Al Idrisi's Map
Al-Kashgari's map
This is Al-Idrisi's Map

http://crossingtheoceansea.com/OceanSeaPages/OS-14-Al-Idrisi-Map.html

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2016, 02:20:16 pm »
Again a great thanks to you all. I'd be so lost and miserable if it weren't for this website.

Guys have any of you seen the video of Z. Al naggar saying the quran says the earth came before the heavens ? Isn't that a major error ?

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2016, 08:37:26 pm »
He never said that akhi.  Take a listen here from minute 01:20:

www.answering-christianity.com/time_and_speed_of_light_precisely_in_noble_quran.mp3

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2016, 08:43:29 pm »
@Osama akhi i believe I've seen it on youtube under "Naggar claims earth came before universe quran."


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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2016, 08:54:37 pm »
I just updated my post above and added the minute position that you should hear, because he directly answer this very question.  He said that earth and the universe are the same age, but rocks go through cycles, and our current earth is only 4.6 billion years old (he said that in minute 02:05).  But earth started exactly with the Universe, and they both have the same age, roughly around 10 billions years old.

He said that.  I think you have it mixed up.


Also, scientists believe that our Universe is between 10 to 16 billion years old, around 13.8 billion years old:

"The age of universe can be determined by imaging what the universe looked like in the past, “rewinding” the expansion. In the past the galaxies must have been closer together, and in the distant past they would have been packed together in a tiny point. If we assume that the expansion rate is constant over time, the age for the universe as a whole is about 10 billion years. However, astronomers have been working over the last 20 years to determine how the expansion rate changes with time. We now know that early in the universe the expansion was slowing down, but now it is speeding up. Using careful measurements of this change in expansion rate, the age of the universe is now known quite precisely to be 13.77±.059 billion years. 9"

[9]- See NASA official Dr. Edward J. Wollack, "How Old is the Universe" NASA (2012) for for the latest values and more information on how this calculation is made. (http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_age.html)

SOURCE: http://biologos.org/common-questions/scientific-evidence/ages-of-the-earth-and-universe



"If the Universe had the same current properties today but were made of 100% normal matter and no dark matter or dark energy, our Universe would be only 10 billion years old. If the Universe were 5% normal matter (with no dark matter or dark energy) and the Hubble constant were 50 km/s/Mpc instead of 70 km/s/Mpc, our Universe would be a whopping 16 billion years old. With the combinations of things we have today, however, we can confidently state 13.81 billion years is the age of the Universe, with a very small uncertainty. It’s an incredible feat of science."

SOURCE: http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2016/08/27/ask-ethan-how-do-we-know-the-universe-is-13-8-billion-years-old/#5b677c2c37d4

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2016, 04:06:41 pm »
Could someone please elaborate the following as to why :

Some have translated 51:48 as "laid flat" ? If it was known that the earth isn't flat why would such even be translated ?

Also at the very end of this link :

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_s_article__the_qur_an_and_the_shape_of_the_earth_

There's a tafsir from Ibn Abbas

 ( And when the earth is spread out) like the spreading out of a flat plain; and it is also said this means: when the earth is removed from its place and then flattened. (Ibn Abbaas, Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn 'Abbâs, Commentary on Surah 84:3
 
 ^ isn't the above implying that he thought he earth was flat ? 

This sam shamwow idiot needs to be stopped. Like honestly man the whole reason atheism is grew to a large scale is from his oppressive Christianity religion. The best he could do is convert to Islam..

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2016, 04:25:58 pm »
In addition. Surah 21:44 uses the word اطراف. Which means tip,end or side.  Isn't similar to the bibles 4 corners of the earth ???

InshAllah there's an answer for this.
الله اعلم.

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2016, 04:42:29 pm »
Also,in quran.com/21:44 the word is translated to  border. Doesn't this also imply a flat earth ?

I never thought I'd find these words in the quran ??

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2016, 04:48:51 pm »
Lastly,border appears in 13:41

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2016, 06:11:28 pm »
i already mentioned them in previous replies. how many outlying parts to the egg dear ? 1 or 2 or it depends ? how many outlaying part to the American football ? 2 right ? can i make in some magic another outlaying part ? did the Quran mentioned how many outlying parts the earth have? so can the spherical shape have some outlying parts ? do you think that the spherical shape you see from NASA can show you the outlying parts of earth? when you hold a magnet in your hand they will tell you this is the south pole and north pole , can you call the pole of the magnet just a pole or an outlying part either ?

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2016, 06:24:38 pm »
@khdrb I'm very sorry akhi i couldn't comprehend ur analogy?

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2016, 08:36:27 pm »
Anyone ?

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2016, 12:16:48 am »
As'salamu Alaikum akhi Ramihs,

Here are my responses to your points above:



Noble Verse 51:48:

1-  ‏51:48 والارض فرشناها فنعم الماهدون

FARASHNAHA فرشناها is derived from FARASHA فرش, which means:

1.  To spread out.
2.  To clothe.  As in farasha al-sareer (placing the cover on the bed).  Farasha al-sareer also means prepared the bed, as in made it neat and ready.

الماهدون MAAHIDOON is derived from MAHD, which means:

1.  Make comfortable.
2.  Cradle.  As in from cradle to grave (Mina al-madh المهد ila al-lahd لحد).

So basically earth is a PREPARED BED for us.  But this bed is also a rocking one as Allah Almighty Said in:

78:6 الم نجعل الارض مهادا

[078:006] Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse rocking cradle  مهادا,

Notice the following:

مهد means bed.

مهادا means a rocking bed.


The relationship and balance between مهد and مهادا in Arabic is like:

1-  حرث (harth), tilth, and حراث (hiraath), plowing the earth.

2-  قتل (qatl), kill, and قتال (qitaal), fighting.

3-  جهد (juhd), effort, and جهاد (jihaad), struggling.

So مهد is bed.  مهادا is a bed in action.


Let us now look at our planet earth's "Axial Tilt" that makes it look like a cradle:



www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#geology_moving_earth_rain




Noble Verse 84:3:

This is a future Prophecy regarding the streching of earth that had been scientifically confirmed.  It is a STUNNING one and I have written an article on it with detailed Western scientific references and also videos proving this:

www.answering-christianity.com/end_of_times_volcanoes_caused_by_stretching_of_earth.htm




Noble Verse 21:44:

There are two scientifically proven answers for this Noble Verse:

1-  The actual planet earth is shrinking.  This had been confirmed by NASA and other Scientific agencies:

www.google.com/#q=earth+is+shrinking


2-  The rising seas (a Quranic Prophecy) are reducing the livable lands that we live on.  Entire towns will drowned by the sea:

www.google.com/#q=sea+levels+are+rising

The rising seas before the Hour is an End-of-Times Prophecy in the Glorious Quran;

[052:001]  By the Mount (of Revelation);
[052:002]  By a Decree inscribed
[052:003]  In a Scroll unfolded;
[052:004]  By the much-frequented Fane;
[052:005]  By the Canopy Raised High;
[052:006] And by the Ocean filled with Swell;-

[052:007]  Verily, the Doom of thy Lord will indeed come to pass;-
[052:008]  There is none can avert it;-
[052:009]  On the Day when the firmament will be in dreadful commotion.
[052:010]  And the mountains will fly hither and thither.
[052:011]  Then woe that Day to those that treat (Truth) as Falsehood;-

‏52:1 والطور
‏52:2 وكتاب مسطور
‏52:3 في رق منشور
‏52:4 والبيت المعمور
‏52:5 والسقف المرفوع
‏52:6 والبحر المسجور
‏52:7 ان عذاب ربك لواقع
‏52:8 ماله من دافع
‏52:9 يوم تمور السماء مورا
‏52:10 وتسير الجبال سيرا
‏52:11 فويل يومئذ للمكذبين

By the way, the atmosphere being our raised and protective roof is also mentioned in several Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/ozone_layer_protecting_earth.htm


As to "sides", the spherical earth does still have boundaries.  Lands on earth are divided into sections.  Perhaps this is even referring to the continents after they broke off from each others as the earth expanded:

‏13:4 وفي الارض قطع متجاورات وجنات من اعناب وزرع ونخيل صنوان وغير صنوان يسقى بماء واحد ونفضل بعضها على بعض في الاكل ان في ذلك لايات لقوم يعقلون

[013:004] And in the earth are neighbouring tracts وفي الارض قطع متجاورات, and gardens of vines, and green crops (fields etc.), and date-palms, growing out two or three from a single stem root, or otherwise (one stem root for every palm ), watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Verily, in these things, there are Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs) for the people who understand.



This is explained in more details in the following sub-section.


Also, the Glorious Quran supports this through the The land-sea ratio Miracle - Mentioned in the Glorious Quran and confirmed by Science.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/land_sea_ratio_miracle.htm








The earth expanded spherically:

Also, if you read in my material, you will find that Allah Almighty Said that He has expanded the earth spherically:

1-  To push.

2-  To throw.

دحا   (daha):  دفعه و رمى به (dafa'aahu wa ramaa bih) Caused it to move, pushed it, or threw it.

دحا الصبي المِدحاةَََ أي دفع الصبي المِدحاةَََ   Daha the boy the rolling toy, means the boy pushed the rolling toy.


3-  To make something roll, as in DAHA the barrel from the top of the hill, which means he rolled it down from the top of the hill.  Also, this is where the Arabic word DAHRAJA is derived from, which means to make something roll down.

4-  To make something round.  I used several examples for ROUND AND BULGED TUMMY, and making round objects.  I even used a Hadith from Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, when he said:

In Prophet Muhammad's Hadith: كان لأسامة بطننٌ مُندحٌ اي متسع   Osama had a round and big tummy.

Also the dictionary says:
الدحداح هو المستدير الململم    The dahdaah is the person who is ROUND and STOCKY.

و بطنٌ مُنداحُ أي خارخٌ مُدوّر  His tummy is mun-daahun means it is OUT THERE AND ROUND مُدوّر.



So when Allah Almighty DAHA THE EARTH, it means that Allah Almighty EXPANDED IT SPHERICALLY through rotating it around itself and moving it in its orbit in space.  And this is why Allah Almighty Said after that (after He DAHAHA), He brought forth from it its water and pasture.  Science has proven this to be 100% accurate and True:


1-  Water was brought forth from the earth - Science confirmed it and the Holy Quran claimed it 1400 years ago:




2-  Our earth expanded and produced its own water:



And





So اطراف (sides) can refer to either the entire earth shrinking, or the lands that we live on shrinking and sinking.  And Allah Almighty Always Knows Best.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#geology_moving_earth_rain
www.answering-christianity.com/bringing_forth_its_waters.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


The doomed-to-Hell infidels have nothing but noise on Islam.




But Prophet Muhammad didn't interpret them like this:

I get this lame argument a lot.  But Prophet Muhammad himself admitted, and Allah Almighty thoroughly confirmed that the Prophet couldn't interpret much of the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_muhammad_did_not_know_everything_about_quran.htm

So this lame argument that if it's not in the Hadiths (sayings) of the Prophet, then we don't accept it fails.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2016, 01:49:14 am »
looool Osama laying the smackdown !! Thanks for all the help you give us,you're saving lives lol.

So the earth expanded first then started contracting ? Does the Quran refer to both events happening ? If so won't there be any contradiction between both theories ?

Wouldn't one assume the verse to be saying end of earth ?

Also,to clear misinterpretations. How can one differentiate between Land,Ground,Floor and Earth in the Quran since they all have the same meaning ?