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Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« on: August 30, 2016, 07:28:14 AM »
They seem to be refuting embryology with studies  ?

http://dawahganda.blogspot.com

I'm confused whether or not these are actual muslims !

I saw your name tagged there as well

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2016, 09:10:28 AM »
My point is theyre claiming to expose the embryology verses and the western scientists that embraced islam.

InshAllah they're wrong. There are books and such for references in the site. One in particular where it says muslims should admit the truth.

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2016, 09:30:25 AM »
My point is theyre claiming to expose the embryology verses and the western scientists that embraced islam.

InshAllah they're wrong. There are books and such for references in the site. One in particular where it says muslims should admit the truth.

 I think that you might have to get banned Rami. This is ridiculous, why can't you stop visiting Anti-Islamic sites? Use the site that I gave you! Anyways, like I said before, I DON'T believe in those scientific miracles. The miracle of the Qur'an is its inimmitabilty. One of their claims is that the Quran plagiarized from ancient Greek embryology but that has been dealt with by Hamza Tzortiz.

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/prophetic-studies/did-the-prophet-muhammad-plagiarise-hellenic-embryology/

The website Load Islam also made a page refuting the claims of anti-Islamics but the website is expired. Rami do you even read our comments? Or are you just trying to weaKen your faith and others faiths on purpose? If you continue this I will ask for you to get banned. Stop this brother. Enough is enough!

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2016, 09:43:53 AM »
@AbdullahAlMadi yes i have brother my apologies. I just wanted to make sure there was no scientific error in the quran.

It struck a cord in me considering how embryology is such a sensitive case for us.

Although for some reason deep down I've been skeptical of the western scientists embracing islam. Have you seen the section?

And i hope this will be the last time i ever doubt anything. But there is no denying this is a serious issue

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2016, 09:57:11 AM »
@AbdullahAlMadi yes i have brother my apologies. I just wanted to make sure there was no scientific error in the quran.

It struck a cord in me considering how embryology is such a sensitive case for us.

Although for some reason deep down I've been skeptical of the western scientists embracing islam. Have you seen the section?

And i hope this will be the last time i ever doubt anything. But there is no denying this is a serious issue


 And I have a feeling that this won't be the last one. Overall the embryology in the Quran is accurate, buthe they do not qualify as scientific miracles. Most of their claims is that the Quran has plagiarized ancient Greek embryology but that has been dealt with above. No one said that western scholars embraced Islam. And on that section they had only dealt with 3 or 4 of them. Please read my very long comment on your last thread again.

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2016, 10:56:42 AM »
@Abdullah But wasnt the miracle considering the fact Muhammad (pbuh) didnt have a microscope and knew this ?

Why doesn't that fall under the term miracle ?

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2016, 11:28:32 AM »
@Abdullah But wasnt the miracle considering the fact Muhammad (pbuh) didnt have a microscope and knew this ?

Why doesn't that fall under the term miracle ?


 For example:

 When the Quran says that the gender of the fetus comes from the male it is accurate, however not a miracle. Although almost everyone at the time of the prophet and after that said that the gender comes from the female a group in ancient Egypt thousands of years before the prophet (peace be upon him) said something similar.

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2016, 01:09:25 PM »
So basically Hamza Tzortzis is implying there is not one scientific miracle in the quran ? Doesn't that necessarily.. decrease the rank of divinity in it ? Wouldn't that be more fuel to the arguement claiming our prophet (pbuh) "Plagiarised" it ? استغفر الله.

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/does-the-quran-contain-scientific-miracles-a-new-approach/

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2016, 06:31:59 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum,

Brother Ramihs, when you're done talking with the salafies and their opinionated rubbish and self-contradictions, I would like to ask you to visit the following link to see the Miracle of Embryology in great details throughout the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


Once again, Allah Almighty PROMISED to reveal the Scientific and Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran.  The following two articles thoroughly demonstrate Allah Almighty's Promises:

www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm


Also once again, I ask you to give me specific examples of what is causing doubt.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2016, 06:56:40 PM »
I'm even more confused now especially after reading that Hamza T. Article which made complete sense... i never knew they knew iron came from the heavens or that egyptians predicted the moon is reflected light..

How can we shed light on a miracle if something was already known ? :(

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2016, 07:06:10 PM »
Furthermore, didn't hamza have an article or study on embryology which was closely inspected by atheist doctors ? Cause he took it down eventually. Why ? Was it because they've proved him wrong or ?

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2016, 07:52:21 PM »
Your question was about Embryology and I gave you the links about Embryology.  The ample Miracles in the Glorious Quran about Astronomy, including the moon's S-SHAPED ORBIT around the earth, which was mentioned in the Quran and confirmed by science are located here:

Several Miracles about the Moon in the Glorious Quran:
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#moon_reflection_of_light_orbits

Miracle of Astronomy in the Glorious Quran:
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#geology_moving_earth_rain

And brother Hamza Tzortzis doesn't speak Arabic, nor understand Arabic.  Therefore, he is not fit to declare there are no Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.



And what about the Numerical Miracles?

Also man, have I not already shown you the STUNNING and ample Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran?  Numbers have no opinion and do not lie.  They are absolute and they are black and white.  No gray area in them.  Isn't this also a proof to you that the Quran is Miraculous?  Or are we going to go back and forth again in circles?

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2016, 08:22:47 PM »
Furthermore, didn't hamza have an article or study on embryology which was closely inspected by atheist doctors ? Cause he took it down eventually. Why ? Was it because they've proved him wrong or ?

no, Hamza said he won't focus on scientific miracles anymore because they're not impressive and that he will focus on linguistics and mathematics instead.

Dont waste time on infidel sites, its obviously gotten to you

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2016, 07:00:07 PM »
simply embryo in the Quran are describing the outer shape stages of what the eye can see. so it is the important signs only not the full processes . because i think Allah needs more than hundreds of Quran to speak about the specific process of the embryo alone. have you ever heard about the unformed lump of flesh ? you ever seen it ? we experienced it in my brother's wife when she was a pregnant of unformed lump of flesh and she had to abort it because it wont come to life.
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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2016, 10:37:28 PM »
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simply embryo in the Quran are describing the outer shape stages of what the eye can see.

It is not describing what the eye can see.

Summary about Embryology in the Glorious Quran:

1.  Man is created from the purest and the best sperm (سلالة) that is also drawn with ease (سل ).
   
2.  And in another Noble Verse, sperm (نطفة) is said to be a piercing and penetrating one ( تمنى  and  يمنى  (to pierce)), which is exactly how the male's sperm enters the female's egg - through piercing through it. 
   
3.  The sperm (نطفة) is injected into (في) a secure and firm base (قرار مكين).  Read the table in the article for detailed definitions.
 
 
4.  The sperm develops into a leech-like (علقة) substance.
5.  Then the leech-like substance develops into a chewed-like (مضغة) substance.
6.  Then from the chew-like substance bones (عظام) are created.
7.  Then the muscles (لحم) wrap around the bones.
8.  The fetus goes through "three Veils of darkness and Stages" development.  Science just confirmed it recently, and the Glorious Quran mentioned it 1,500 years ago.

Also more on the physiology of man, consider the following Noble Verses:

[096:015]  Nay! if he desist not, We would will certainly smite his forehead,
[096:016]  A lying, sinful forehead ناصية.


"Functional regions of the left hemisphere of the cerebral
 cortex.  The prefrontal area is located at the front of the cerebral
 cortex. (Essentials of Anatomy & Physiology, Seeley and others, p. 210.)"

One main reason is that the brain's "Frontal Cortex", which is also called "The Voice of Reason", develops last.  The brain takes a very long time to develop  Myelin, which is a protective natural insulation that the body builds for its cells.  The brain not only doesn't complete developing Myelin for its cells until the late  20s or even past 30s, but it develops Myelin for the Frontal Cortex last!  This is where people might appear to be physically built and mature, while their brains are still underdeveloped.


Please read the link and watch the videos before you respond:

What I've given you here is a summary.  Please go through the article and its details, and see the Scientific quotations and proofs, before you decide to reply.  Here is the links:

www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology

Take care,
Osama Abdallah