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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2016, 07:06:11 am »
i meant the outer stages not the inner fully processes as these academic conditions you to have it in the holy Quran in order for them to believe. if Allah has sent all the sciences in a Holy book then humans wouldn't search and look here and there so what will be the point of his creation if this human knew everything at once?.

brother Osama do you think that "Nutfa" can mean the female egg ? and "Qarar makeen" means the womb ? it said in verse (75:37) from a Nutfa from a seminal(if it mean manni) then "Yomna". like you see it in sakhir translation . Shakir: Was he not a small seed in the seminal elements, . i think this translation points more to male sperm not female egg


(76-2)Shakir: Surely We have created a man from a small life-germ uniting (itself): We mean to try him, so We have made him hearing, seeing.

Yusuf Ali: Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm, in order to try him: So We gave him (the gifts), of Hearing and Sight.

"Nutfa Amshaj"  mingled sperm . you can see here that the mixing stage called "Nutfa" in here.

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2016, 07:30:25 am »
Once again, please read the article, because all of the Noble Verses you mentioned are addressed in great details there.  The Glorious Quran says that the male-sperm:

1.  Is a piercing one. 
2.  It also determines the gender.

[053:045]  And that HE creates the pairs, male and female,
[053:046]  From a sperm drop when it that is emitted and is penetrating تمنى;


‏53:45 وانه خلق الزوجين الذكر والانثى
‏53:46 من نطفة اذا تمنى

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[075:037]  Was he not a drop of fluid, emitted forth (and is penetrating) يمنى ?
[075:038  The he became a clot, then ALLAH gave him shape and perfected him.
[075:039]  Then HE made of him a pair; the male and female.


‏75:37 الم يك نطفة من مني يمنى
‏75:38 ثم كان علقة فخلق فسوى
‏75:39 فجعل منه الزوجين الذكر والانثى


Pay attention to the definitions of تمنى and يمنى.  Both are the same word.  And notice how Allah Almighty said He created THE MALE AND THE FEMALE.  He could've just said Mankind.  But no, here Allah Almighty specified both genders.  And تمنى and يمنى is used for:

1-  Penetration.
2-  Cutting through.
3-  Piercing.


They even use the word for farmers when they insert their arms inside the cows' anus to help them with constipation.  They also use it for stabbing and cutting with a blade!  We know that the male sperm is a piercing one.  I even provided the pictures in the article.



STUNNING MIRACLE!

This is why I find it STUNNINGLY amazing that Allah Almighty said in the same Noble Verses that He created THE MALE AND THE FEMALE.  He didn't just say He created man as He did in many other Noble Verses.  Here He specified the genders.

Also pay attention regarding Allah Almighty's uses of خلقنا and جعلنا .

Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2016, 08:17:02 am »
My point was this dawaganda site and their study articles. Have you analysed them thoroughly to refute ? Because they seem to have a lot..

What were and have they claimed ?

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2016, 09:53:21 am »
The site dawahganda is saying the scientific miracles in quran are simply publicly known concepts and some are in errors (under Errors in Qur'an)
the site also questions why ancient Muslims sources could not interpret the scientific verses like 21st century Muslims.

and brother Osama has answered that the prophet was sent with few expressions with the widest of meanings


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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2016, 01:03:06 pm »
@submit I see. Thank you for clarifying. So are there truly errors as they say or are they just the same washed up claims ?

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2016, 02:46:40 pm »
@submit I see. Thank you for clarifying. So are there truly errors as they say or are they just the same washed up claims ?


 I read Hamza's article regarding embryology a long time ago. The critics for the most part weren't saying that there are errors in the Quran but that the stuff in it aren't miracles. And this is why Hamza Tzortis stopped believing in the "scientific miracles". And the critics weren't even scientists. Why do you need the scientific miraCleese anyway?

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2016, 03:17:26 pm »
@Abdullah I don't need miracles. Just to confirm there aren't any errors.

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2016, 12:50:38 am »
Scientific Miracles or Scientific Notions, it really comes down to whether the people of old knew the facts mentioned in the Glorious Quran or not.  If they didn't, then these would be Scientific Miracles or Notions.  This is almost exactly like Prophecies.  Did the Quran ever make a Prophecy?  Yes It did.  And STUNNING Prophecies too.  The reader can visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies

One can sit here and argue that we shouldn't call them Prophecies.  But when Allah Allah Almighty gives Promises, such as the People of Israel will reach Mighty Heights of evil and corruption and wickedness before He brings the the Wrath of the Second Promise on them, then that is indeed a Prophecy.

The problem with salafies is that they're too superficial.  Many of them can't see past their noses, and they don't really understand what is being communicated to them.  They follow a dumbed down Islam, and they're too closed-minded.  They think that Scientific Miracles means turning the Glorious Quran into a Chemistry, Biology and Physics science book.  But that's never what any Muslim ever claimed.  And what about the Numerical Miracles??  The 950 Letters and 950 Years of Nuh's Surah.  And many many other examples.  And thousands of examples that confirm the newly discovered Numerical Law in the Glorious Quran?

Call them Miracles or Notions, it really doesn't matter.  But what matters is to at least understand what the other side is saying before you reject their claim, wholesale.  And another thing that is irritating from the dumbed down salafies is their trait of attaching names to certain arguments to either accept or dismiss them:

1-  Sheikh such and such bin this bin that bin 1st bin 2nd al Tameem or Hayyan or whatever gave fatwa.  Therefore it is 100% true.

2-  Osama Abdallah said it.  It is 100% false.

How about looking at the merits of the argument and not the names.  But who are we talking to??

Anyway, I hope I have adequately clarified the "Miracles" and "Notions" terms.  The Scientific Notions are there in the Glorious Quran.  One has to undeniably lie to himself to deny them.  They're there and they're undeniable.  And Allah Almighty Promised to Reveal them:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm



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And this is why Hamza Tzortis stopped believing in the "scientific miracles"

With all due respect to brother Hamza, but does he even speak or understand Arabic?  When he relies on translations, then how does that make him an authority?

I know you'll come back and say that I (Osama Abdallah) too am not an authority in Arabic.  Even though I am an Arab, but I did use 7 Encyclopedic dictionaries to demonstrate and prove the Scientific Notions in the Glorious Quran.  So my authority is in those dictionaries, not in me personally.  And I've looked at a few of brother Hamza's work.  He did none of that.  He relies on translations.  So clearly, he is in no position to say that the Glorious Quran doesn't have Scientific Miracles or Notions.

And let me ask you this:  What did Allah Almighty mean when He Said this:

"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it (i.e., the Quran) is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"



If the confirmed scientific discoveries do not prove the Glorious Quran, then what does this statement "....until it will become quite clear to them that it (i.e., the Quran) is the truth...." mean to you?  If they have nothing to do with the Quran, then how does anything any Scientific institution or agency discovers have anything to do with the Glorious Quran?  And how does this statement in the Glorious Quran have any value in it??

Can you answer this for us?

www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2016, 10:39:42 am »
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@Abdullah I don't need miracles. Just to confirm there aren't any errors.

I challenge you and challenge all of your salafies and infidels to bring ONE, just ONE scientific blunder in the Glorious Quran!  I am more than ready to smash it into a million pieces and turn it into powder before everyone here.

I am waiting....

Osama Abdallah

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2016, 01:35:30 am »
You can just quote-copy and paste the alleged verse with errors with their supporting proof here from their article/website.

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I am going to refute all of the main anti-Islamics on the Scientific Miracles...
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2016, 01:24:06 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum,

I posted several replies to the "Refuting Embryology in the Quran" site.  They're pending approval of the owner.  They're based on DAWAGANDA material.

Starting either tonight or tomorrow, I am going to expand the Rebuttals section in the Scientific Miracles section in the link below, and include many DIRECT REBUTTALS to all of the main authors that attack Islam on the Scientific Miracles, insha'Allah.  The list will start with:

1-  Dawaganda.
2-  The Masked Arab.


These two have caused so much noise and it's time to THOROUGHLY silence them. I will google all of the main infidels and get their names and blogs, insha'Allah.  If anyone has more people that you would like me to silence, then please reply back with their names and URLs.

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#rebuttals
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#main_sections
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2016, 05:44:39 pm »
 these Islam-hating people have been addressed by even Muslims of the older generations,Rumi May Allah have mercy on his Soul,is the best of this example.

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2016, 05:06:07 am »
Salafies are a cancer, along with the rest of the cults such as shias and sufies.  They're all rubbish.  But salafies in particular have a sweet tooth for hypocrisy and cowardice.  And the filthy thing about them is that they'd call you a "dog of hell" if you disagree with them.

These rotten hypocrites clearly and openly state that rulers can rob the wealth, and violate the people, and still their rulership would still remain valid, and they're above the law.  The reader can visit this link to see all of the filth of the salafies:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2087.msg8986#msg8986
www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links


Don't forget that Prophet Muhammad said that THE HORN OF SATAN will come from Saudi Arabia.  We are living these days.  And hypocrites are the worst:

[004:145]  Indeed, the hypocrites shall occupy the lowest level of hell _ (its deepest abyss),. You will not find anyone who would (want to) be their helper.

The salafies are the jamaa of satan.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2016, 08:29:11 am »

THE HORN OF SATAN will come from Saudi Arabia.


You mention this time and time again, yet you don't provide a hadith for this.

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Re: Brother Osama please take a look on embryology
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2016, 02:26:24 pm »
Here are direct links of posts that are inside the thread that I linked above:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9018.html#msg9018
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9019.html#msg9019


And here is my rebuttal to the response to the Hadith of Najd that declares that the horn of satan will come from modern-day Saudi Arabia:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9024.html#msg9024
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9048.html#msg9048


The salafies are a cult of satan.  They're the Jamaa of satan.  I have grown to despise our religious sheikhs more than the dictators themselves.  Both are hypocrites and liars.  But the religion ones in particular are the filthy ones that use Islam to impose the corruption of the rulers on the people.  So not only the dictator and his corrupt garbage are now militarily imposed on the people illegally, but they have their rabid dogs from the religious community to bite anyone who rises against them.  This is why you see just about all of the religious hypocrites living in palaces made from granet and gold.  And they live in palaces that have multiple entrances and exits, and they're so vast sometimes that you'd lose track of which gate you entered from.

Those hypocrites are the jamaa (group) of satan.



So which Islam to follow?

One might ask, so which Islam do must I follow??  I answer them follow the Islam of the Middle as Allah Almighty Commanded you in the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2237.msg9831.html#msg9831

Take care,
Osama Abdallah