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Questions regarding moon splitting
« on: September 05, 2016, 06:48:52 PM »
Hello my dear brothers

I had some question regarding the miracle of the prophet when he split the moon


1- Did the moon really split, or was it a solar eclipse? (I remember reading an article on a website which says NASA confirmed an eclipse took place during the prophet's life). So how do we know it was not an eclipse and the moon did actually split?

2-Is there any good , reliable documentation of this event outside of Islam?

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2016, 07:54:37 PM »
Hello my dear brothers

I had some question regarding the miracle of the prophet when he split the moon


1- Did the moon really split, or was it a solar eclipse? (I remember reading an article on a website which says NASA confirmed an eclipse took place during the prophet's life). So how do we know it was not an eclipse and the moon did actually split?

2-Is there any good , reliable documentation of this event outside of Islam?

Jazakallah


1- NASA never said anything about the moon split, that's a lie.


2- As far as I know no.  However I read something about how some Indians saw the moon split and put it into their culture. It is a miracle done by our prophet (PBUH). Do you see Christians or Jews asi8jg about historical evidence for Moses (peace be upon him) splithing the sea? Nope. And even if they did there isn't. It is a miracle, it isn't supposed to be proven scientifically or historically.



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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2016, 07:59:33 PM »
The moon split is the whole reason i ended up researching Islam and got stuck in this mess and started doubting religion ...

Everybody falsely attributing the moons several fault lines of the moon to the Prophet and claiming NASA confirmed it when they actually denied it got "Split/divided" Into two separate pieces. Which was the biggest slap to Islam from Jews/Atheists and ZombieChrists. in my opinion.

But on one side you have muslims that claim the prophet didn't do it as miracles were for the times before which were rejected.
 So i decided to take research into my own hands and make sure Muslims weren't "Cherry picking" themselves away from an error.

POINT 1 : When i analyse Surat Al Qamar. Not once do you see it saying specifically that "Muhammad split the moon". His name is not even mentioned in the chapter !

POINT 2: There are several prophet Miracles mentioned in the quran in PRECISE EXPLICIT DETAIL that Prophet Eisa or Musa did so and so. So the Quran would not be vague on this issue.

Point 3 : The word used for the moon incident was inshaqqa. Not INQASAMA or FAFAQNNAHA or FARAQNAHA which mean FULL DIVISION. Nor was PIECES even mentioned.. nor was one side here and one side there.

Point 4: In the light of all this. You will still find some scholars who claim that inshaqqa refers to full split. So i said what better way to prove them wrong than with the QURAN itself. In several verses you will find.. ( i had them in my gallery but my phones board literally died 3 days ago) You will find several verses which use THE SAME WORD INSHAQQA. FOR THE EARTH !!! In regards to the earth splits and water comes out and trees for fruits and so forth I'll try to find them soon cause i had many examples.

But does that mean... THE EARTH LITERALLY SPLIT IN TWO OH MY GOD ? Simple answer. No.

And several SURAHS use the words for FULL DIVISIONS AND SEPARATIONS that could've easily been used for the moon and were not.

If this were the case then why have older reliable scholars of the past said that he split it into two ?

Osama had already pointed out that they were not direct eye witnesses. I'm not saying Ibn Abbas is a liar. I'm saying they've explained the quran in the best possible way they can at the time. The fact that these Hadiths were not from direct eye witnesses and surprisingly enough those hadiths also contradict each other. They don't hold much weight. (one says two pieces then the other says one side here and one side here then one says the prophet flew up) They don't add up at all.

My friend's psychological professor at the Uni of Guelph gave a lecture regarding how we think if someone is from a prestigious school we just assume they're right about everything when their knowledge is extremely limited. Many tests have shown these professors knowledge is limited to a very specific topic.

At this point it's safe to say he didn't. I remember telling myself i would not be a muslim if the quran truly said the prophet did it. but little to my knowledge... and from all the bashing islam got from it... NOWHERE DOES IT SAY HE DID.

So what does that say about the surah ? All the surah is describing is the moons crack when ironically... It is freakking cracked. Which inshaqqa also means CRACKED. SPLIT also can make sense. BUT UNFORTUNATELY SOME TRANSLATIONS HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SAY INTO TWO PIECES WHICH IS MESSED UP.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1304627/Cracks-surface-Moon-reveal-closest-neighbour-actually-shrinking.html

The moon is clearly cracked and this is actually a damn miracle. But unfortunately people falsely attribute this to the prophet...

No cherrypicking or running around. Ive seen words in the quran itself that use the same word inshaqqah for earth and other words that mean full separation.

As for what scholars think about this. There are some scholars that say the prophet did not split the moon. You can find it under the splitting of the moon page of wikipedia.

I hope this helps because this topic was eating my brain for 8 months until i had to take matters into my own hands. Now some people might bash me and say im beating the bush or "trying" to side with science when in reality i have been an atheist before.. going back if the quran actually said he split it wouldnt have been a problem for me. BUT IT DIDNT. Therefore Allahuakbar. Most muslims dont like thinking outside the box and blindly follow other sheikhs.

I hope ive helped you brother.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2016, 08:09:27 PM »
Again. I'm not coming up with a new theory or something. There are several Surahs that mention inshaqqa for earth and other surahs that mention FULL SEPARATION. So there would be no point in debating or denying my claims since my evidence was from the quran itself which ive never seen anyone else use.

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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2016, 08:16:39 PM »
In addition my uncle has plenty of old Tafasiir books i could've sworn a few stated that this verse was talking about something completely different.

I'll try to check on that later since it's 4am here.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2016, 08:48:17 PM »
The moon split is the whole reason i ended up researching Islam and got stuck in this mess and started doubting religion ...

Everybody falsely attributing the moons several fault lines of the moon to the Prophet and claiming NASA confirmed it when they actually denied it got "Split/divided" Into two separate pieces. Which was the biggest slap to Islam from Jews/Atheists and ZombieChrists. in my opinion.

But on one side you have muslims that claim the prophet didn't do it as miracles were for the times before which were rejected.
 So i decided to take research into my own hands and make sure Muslims weren't "Cherry picking" themselves away from an error.

POINT 1 : When i analyse Surat Al Qamar. Not once do you see it saying specifically that "Muhammad split the moon". His name is not even mentioned in the chapter !

POINT 2: There are several prophet Miracles mentioned in the quran in PRECISE EXPLICIT DETAIL that Prophet Eisa or Musa did so and so. So the Quran would not be vague on this issue.

Point 3 : The word used for the moon incident was inshaqqa. Not INQASAMA or FAFAQNNAHA or FARAQNAHA which mean FULL DIVISION. Nor was PIECES even mentioned.. nor was one side here and one side there.

Point 4: In the light of all this. You will still find some scholars who claim that inshaqqa refers to full split. So i said what better way to prove them wrong than with the QURAN itself. In several verses you will find.. ( i had them in my gallery but my phones board literally died 3 days ago) You will find several verses which use THE SAME WORD INSHAQQA. FOR THE EARTH !!! In regards to the earth splits and water comes out and trees for fruits and so forth I'll try to find them soon cause i had many examples.

But does that mean... THE EARTH LITERALLY SPLIT IN TWO OH MY GOD ? Simple answer. No.

And several SURAHS use the words for FULL DIVISIONS AND SEPARATIONS that could've easily been used for the moon and were not.

If this were the case then why have older reliable scholars of the past said that he split it into two ?

Osama had already pointed out that they were not direct eye witnesses. I'm not saying Ibn Abbas is a liar. I'm saying they've explained the quran in the best possible way they can at the time. The fact that these Hadiths were not from direct eye witnesses and surprisingly enough those hadiths also contradict each other. They don't hold much weight. (one says two pieces then the other says one side here and one side here then one says the prophet flew up) They don't add up at all.

My friend's psychological professor at the Uni of Guelph gave a lecture regarding how we think if someone is from a prestigious school we just assume they're right about everything when their knowledge is extremely limited. Many tests have shown these professors knowledge is limited to a very specific topic.

At this point it's safe to say he didn't. I remember telling myself i would not be a muslim if the quran truly said the prophet did it. but little to my knowledge... and from all the bashing islam got from it... NOWHERE DOES IT SAY HE DID.

So what does that say about the surah ? All the surah is describing is the moons crack when ironically... It is freakking cracked. Which inshaqqa also means CRACKED. SPLIT also can make sense. BUT UNFORTUNATELY SOME TRANSLATIONS HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SAY INTO TWO PIECES WHICH IS MESSED UP.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1304627/Cracks-surface-Moon-reveal-closest-neighbour-actually-shrinking.html

The moon is clearly cracked and this is actually a damn miracle. But unfortunately people falsely attribute this to the prophet...

No cherrypicking or running around. Ive seen words in the quran itself that use the same word inshaqqah for earth and other words that mean full separation.

As for what scholars think about this. There are some scholars that say the prophet did not split the moon. You can find it under the splitting of the moon page of wikipedia.

I hope this helps because this topic was eating my brain for 8 months until i had to take matters into my own hands. Now some people might bash me and say im beating the bush or "trying" to side with science when in reality i have been an atheist before.. going back if the quran actually said he split it wouldnt have been a problem for me. BUT IT DIDNT. Therefore Allahuakbar. Most muslims dont like thinking outside the box and blindly follow other sheikhs.

I hope ive helped you brother.


This makes sense, as there are many nasa articles and videos ive seen myself which talk about large cracks on the moon. I think the problem with saying it split completely is the lack of historical witnesses, if it did the whole planet would've seen it

anyways bruv, its glad that you read quran and took a break from all those islamaphobic sites which poison the brain, its the same as those rednecks who just watch fox news and CNN

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2016, 09:14:24 PM »
The issue is that some muslims take things TOO literal. Anyways bruv i hope my months of suffering and anxiety have paid off by helping you out.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2016, 01:07:26 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum,

The Glorious Quran declares that Prophet Muhammad did not split the moon!  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/moon_split.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/did_prophet_muhammad_split_the_moon_according_to_quran_and_hadiths.wmv


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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2016, 03:52:18 AM »
The Moon-splitting is only a un-authentic hadith,not an authentic one,a fabricated one.

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2016, 06:41:07 AM »
The Moon-splitting is only a un-authentic hadith,not an authentic one,a fabricated one.


NOPE! The hadith from Abdullah ibn Mas'ud (may Allah be pleased with him) regarding the moon split is authentic. Whether the people on this site like it or not, the view that Muhammad (peace new upon him) split the moon is the view of most of the scholars and the best view. Why are you so against this miracle? Why are you not against Moses (peace be upon him) splitting the sea?

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2016, 06:54:31 AM »
There is atleast a bit of proof of Moses PBUH splitting the sea,as mentioned in the Qur'an AND HADITH,
but there is no Proof for Muhammad PBUH splitting the moon.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2016, 07:17:20 AM »
Aslaam walaikum brother how to post a article on answering christianity. Com that will be able to display on Internet actually I have abrogation of Quran 65 ayat 4

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2016, 07:35:00 AM »
From the scholars I have read, the narrations which depict this event as: the Prophet calling the Quraish to come to him, then he raising his index finger, due to which the Moon gets split into two, with such a distance between the two portions that one of its parts gets hidden behind a mountain - are unreliable narrations. The companions to whom such narrations are attributed were either not present or unable to be witness to the event. The most significant personality among them is Ibn Abbas, but the huge and obvious problem with Ibn Abbas being a witness is that, from other sources we know, he was around 13 years old when the Prophet died and this event happened during the Makkan period which means that during this event Ibn Abbas was 1-3 years old therefore making him unable to be a witness to this. Apparently, because of the high status of Ibn Abbas, he has often become the preferable "narrator" of fabricated narrations.

Some scholars, even though they believe in the splitting of the moon, contend that this wasn't a miracle of the Prophet because he didn't call people to come to him and told them he is going to show them a miracle but it was an event (actual splitting of the moon or whatever) that happened during the Prophet's time in Makkah and he directed the attention of the Quraish towards it.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2016, 08:59:16 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Again, the Glorious Quran declares that Prophet Muhammad did not split the moon!  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/moon_split.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/did_prophet_muhammad_split_the_moon_according_to_quran_and_hadiths.wmv


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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2016, 09:01:03 AM »
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Aslaam walaikum brother how to post a article on answering christianity. Com that will be able to display on Internet actually I have abrogation of Quran 65 ayat 4

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

Please post your articles on this blog.  Create new topics, or add to existing topics, and post your article(s) there.  I will take a look at them, Insha'Allah.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2016, 09:02:07 AM »
Another more common sense approach would imply that the Prophet himself never said "hey i split the moon" or "remember that time i split the moon into two."


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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2016, 11:54:37 AM »
From the scholars I have read, the narrations which depict this event as: the Prophet calling the Quraish to come to him, then he raising his index finger, due to which the Moon gets split into two, with such a distance between the two portions that one of its parts gets hidden behind a mountain - are unreliable narrations. The companions to whom such narrations are attributed were either not present or unable to be witness to the event. The most significant personality among them is Ibn Abbas, but the huge and obvious problem with Ibn Abbas being a witness is that, from other sources we know, he was around 13 years old when the Prophet died and this event happened during the Makkan period which means that during this event Ibn Abbas was 1-3 years old therefore making him unable to be a witness to this. Apparently, because of the high status of Ibn Abbas, he has often become the preferable "narrator" of fabricated narrations.

Some scholars, even though they believe in the splitting of the moon, contend that this wasn't a miracle of the Prophet because he didn't call people to come to him and told them he is going to show them a miracle but it was an event (actual splitting of the moon or whatever) that happened during the Prophet's time in Makkah and he directed the attention of the Quraish towards it.


No, the hadiths are authentic. I don't know why everybody is against the moon split so much.


Narrated Ibn Masud:
During the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) the moon was split into two parts; one part remained over the mountain, and the other part went beyond the mountain. On that, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Witness this miracle."

Grade: Agreed Upon

Source:
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 387
Arabic reference    : Book 65, Hadith 4864


There is atleast a bit of proof of Moses PBUH splitting the sea,as mentioned in the Qur'an AND HADITH,
but there is no Proof for Muhammad PBUH splitting the moon.


There is proof from both the Quran and the hadith of the moon splitting. "The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two]." 54:1

and in the Muhsin Khan translation:

"The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder (the people of Makkah requested Prophet Muhammad SAW to show them a miracle, so he showed them the splitting of the moon)." 54:1

and the authentic hadith above.


You should also read the tafsirs:

Tafsir Ibn Kathir Surat Al-Qamar verse 1:

وقوله : ( وانشق القمر ) : قد كان هذا في زمان رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم

And his saying ( the moon has split [in two].): This was at the time of the prophet (peace be upon him).


Source:

http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/katheer/sura54-aya1.html







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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2016, 02:32:03 PM »
The Hadith that was quoted above does not say that the polytheists were asking for a miracle and this splitting of the moon was the miracle he responded with.

A Pakistani scholar Maulana Maududi who although believed in the splitting asunder of the Moon, wrote the following for not taking this as a "miracle of Prophet Muhammad performed in response to the polytheists":

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The information that one gathers from the various traditions is that this incident occurred about five years before the Hijrah. It was the 14th night of the lunar month; the Moon had just risen when it suddenly split and its two parts were seen on either side of the hill in front. Then after a moment or so they rejoined. The Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace) at that time was at Mina. He told the people to mark it and be witnesses to it. The disbelievers said that Muhammad (upon whom be Allah’s peace and blessings) had worked magic on them; therefore, their eyes had been deceived. The other people said: “Mnhammad could have worked magic on us but not on all the people. Let the people from other places come: we shall ask them if they also had witnessed this incident. ” When the people from other places came, they bore evidence that they also had witnessed the same phenomenon.

Some traditions which have been related from Hadrat Anas give rise to the misunderstanding that the incident of the splitting of the Moon had happened twice. But, in the first place, no one else from among the Companions has stated this; second, in some traditions of Hadrat Anas himself also the words are marratain (twice), and in sane firqatain and shaqqatain (two pieces); third, the Qur’an mentions only one incident of the Moon’s splitting asunder. The correct view therefore is that this incident happened only once. As for the stories which are current among the people that the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace) had matte a gesture towards the Moon and it split into two parts and that one part of the Moon entered the breast of the garment of the Holy Prophet and went out of the sleeve, have no basis whatever.

Here, the question arises: What was the real nature of this incident. Was it a miracle that the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace) performed on the demand of the disbelievers of Makkah as a proof of his Prophethood? Or, was it only an accident that occurred on the Moon by the power of Allah and the Holy Prophet had only called the people’s attention to it and warned them to mark it as a Sign of the possibility and nearness of Resurrection? A large group of the Muslim scholars regards it as among the miracles of the Holy Prophet and holds the view that it had been shown on the demand of the disbelievers. But this view is based only on some of those traditions which have been related from Hadrat Anas. Apart from him no other Companion has stated this. According to Fath al Bari Ibn Hajar says: “Apart from the narration by Hadrat Anas, in no other narration of this story have I come across the theme that the incident of the splitting of the Moon had taken place on the demand of the polytheists. (Bab Inshiqaq al-Qamar). Abu Nu’aim Isfahani has related a tradition on this subject in Dale il an-Nubuwwat, on the authority of Hadrat ‘Abdullah bin ‘Abbas also, but it has a weak chain of transrmitters and none of the traditions that have been related with strong chains of tranamitters in the collections of Hadith on the authority of Hadrat ‘Abdullah bin ‘Abbas, contains any mention of this. Furthermore, neither Hadrat Anas nor Hadrat `Abdullah bin `Abbas was a contemporary of this incident. On the contrary, none of the Companions from among Hadrat `Abdullah bin Mas’ud, Hadrat Hudhaifah, Hadrat Jubair bin Mut`im, Hadrat ‘Ali, Hadrat `Abdullah bin ‘Umar, who were contemporaries of the incident, has stated that the pagans of Makkah had demanded a Sign of the Holy Prophet to testify to his Prophethood on which he might have shown the miracle of the splitting of the Moon. Above all, the Qur’an itself also is presenting this event not as a Sign of the Prophethood but as a Sign of the nearness of Resurrection. However, this was indeed conspicuous proof of the Holy Prophet’s truthfulness because it testified to the news that he was giving to the people of the coming of Resurrection.