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Questions regarding moon splitting
« on: September 05, 2016, 06:48:52 PM »
Hello my dear brothers

I had some question regarding the miracle of the prophet when he split the moon


1- Did the moon really split, or was it a solar eclipse? (I remember reading an article on a website which says NASA confirmed an eclipse took place during the prophet's life). So how do we know it was not an eclipse and the moon did actually split?

2-Is there any good , reliable documentation of this event outside of Islam?

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2016, 07:54:37 PM »
Hello my dear brothers

I had some question regarding the miracle of the prophet when he split the moon


1- Did the moon really split, or was it a solar eclipse? (I remember reading an article on a website which says NASA confirmed an eclipse took place during the prophet's life). So how do we know it was not an eclipse and the moon did actually split?

2-Is there any good , reliable documentation of this event outside of Islam?

Jazakallah


1- NASA never said anything about the moon split, that's a lie.


2- As far as I know no.  However I read something about how some Indians saw the moon split and put it into their culture. It is a miracle done by our prophet (PBUH). Do you see Christians or Jews asi8jg about historical evidence for Moses (peace be upon him) splithing the sea? Nope. And even if they did there isn't. It is a miracle, it isn't supposed to be proven scientifically or historically.



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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2016, 07:59:33 PM »
The moon split is the whole reason i ended up researching Islam and got stuck in this mess and started doubting religion ...

Everybody falsely attributing the moons several fault lines of the moon to the Prophet and claiming NASA confirmed it when they actually denied it got "Split/divided" Into two separate pieces. Which was the biggest slap to Islam from Jews/Atheists and ZombieChrists. in my opinion.

But on one side you have muslims that claim the prophet didn't do it as miracles were for the times before which were rejected.
 So i decided to take research into my own hands and make sure Muslims weren't "Cherry picking" themselves away from an error.

POINT 1 : When i analyse Surat Al Qamar. Not once do you see it saying specifically that "Muhammad split the moon". His name is not even mentioned in the chapter !

POINT 2: There are several prophet Miracles mentioned in the quran in PRECISE EXPLICIT DETAIL that Prophet Eisa or Musa did so and so. So the Quran would not be vague on this issue.

Point 3 : The word used for the moon incident was inshaqqa. Not INQASAMA or FAFAQNNAHA or FARAQNAHA which mean FULL DIVISION. Nor was PIECES even mentioned.. nor was one side here and one side there.

Point 4: In the light of all this. You will still find some scholars who claim that inshaqqa refers to full split. So i said what better way to prove them wrong than with the QURAN itself. In several verses you will find.. ( i had them in my gallery but my phones board literally died 3 days ago) You will find several verses which use THE SAME WORD INSHAQQA. FOR THE EARTH !!! In regards to the earth splits and water comes out and trees for fruits and so forth I'll try to find them soon cause i had many examples.

But does that mean... THE EARTH LITERALLY SPLIT IN TWO OH MY GOD ? Simple answer. No.

And several SURAHS use the words for FULL DIVISIONS AND SEPARATIONS that could've easily been used for the moon and were not.

If this were the case then why have older reliable scholars of the past said that he split it into two ?

Osama had already pointed out that they were not direct eye witnesses. I'm not saying Ibn Abbas is a liar. I'm saying they've explained the quran in the best possible way they can at the time. The fact that these Hadiths were not from direct eye witnesses and surprisingly enough those hadiths also contradict each other. They don't hold much weight. (one says two pieces then the other says one side here and one side here then one says the prophet flew up) They don't add up at all.

My friend's psychological professor at the Uni of Guelph gave a lecture regarding how we think if someone is from a prestigious school we just assume they're right about everything when their knowledge is extremely limited. Many tests have shown these professors knowledge is limited to a very specific topic.

At this point it's safe to say he didn't. I remember telling myself i would not be a muslim if the quran truly said the prophet did it. but little to my knowledge... and from all the bashing islam got from it... NOWHERE DOES IT SAY HE DID.

So what does that say about the surah ? All the surah is describing is the moons crack when ironically... It is freakking cracked. Which inshaqqa also means CRACKED. SPLIT also can make sense. BUT UNFORTUNATELY SOME TRANSLATIONS HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SAY INTO TWO PIECES WHICH IS MESSED UP.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1304627/Cracks-surface-Moon-reveal-closest-neighbour-actually-shrinking.html

The moon is clearly cracked and this is actually a damn miracle. But unfortunately people falsely attribute this to the prophet...

No cherrypicking or running around. Ive seen words in the quran itself that use the same word inshaqqah for earth and other words that mean full separation.

As for what scholars think about this. There are some scholars that say the prophet did not split the moon. You can find it under the splitting of the moon page of wikipedia.

I hope this helps because this topic was eating my brain for 8 months until i had to take matters into my own hands. Now some people might bash me and say im beating the bush or "trying" to side with science when in reality i have been an atheist before.. going back if the quran actually said he split it wouldnt have been a problem for me. BUT IT DIDNT. Therefore Allahuakbar. Most muslims dont like thinking outside the box and blindly follow other sheikhs.

I hope ive helped you brother.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2016, 08:09:27 PM »
Again. I'm not coming up with a new theory or something. There are several Surahs that mention inshaqqa for earth and other surahs that mention FULL SEPARATION. So there would be no point in debating or denying my claims since my evidence was from the quran itself which ive never seen anyone else use.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2016, 08:16:39 PM »
In addition my uncle has plenty of old Tafasiir books i could've sworn a few stated that this verse was talking about something completely different.

I'll try to check on that later since it's 4am here.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2016, 08:48:17 PM »
The moon split is the whole reason i ended up researching Islam and got stuck in this mess and started doubting religion ...

Everybody falsely attributing the moons several fault lines of the moon to the Prophet and claiming NASA confirmed it when they actually denied it got "Split/divided" Into two separate pieces. Which was the biggest slap to Islam from Jews/Atheists and ZombieChrists. in my opinion.

But on one side you have muslims that claim the prophet didn't do it as miracles were for the times before which were rejected.
 So i decided to take research into my own hands and make sure Muslims weren't "Cherry picking" themselves away from an error.

POINT 1 : When i analyse Surat Al Qamar. Not once do you see it saying specifically that "Muhammad split the moon". His name is not even mentioned in the chapter !

POINT 2: There are several prophet Miracles mentioned in the quran in PRECISE EXPLICIT DETAIL that Prophet Eisa or Musa did so and so. So the Quran would not be vague on this issue.

Point 3 : The word used for the moon incident was inshaqqa. Not INQASAMA or FAFAQNNAHA or FARAQNAHA which mean FULL DIVISION. Nor was PIECES even mentioned.. nor was one side here and one side there.

Point 4: In the light of all this. You will still find some scholars who claim that inshaqqa refers to full split. So i said what better way to prove them wrong than with the QURAN itself. In several verses you will find.. ( i had them in my gallery but my phones board literally died 3 days ago) You will find several verses which use THE SAME WORD INSHAQQA. FOR THE EARTH !!! In regards to the earth splits and water comes out and trees for fruits and so forth I'll try to find them soon cause i had many examples.

But does that mean... THE EARTH LITERALLY SPLIT IN TWO OH MY GOD ? Simple answer. No.

And several SURAHS use the words for FULL DIVISIONS AND SEPARATIONS that could've easily been used for the moon and were not.

If this were the case then why have older reliable scholars of the past said that he split it into two ?

Osama had already pointed out that they were not direct eye witnesses. I'm not saying Ibn Abbas is a liar. I'm saying they've explained the quran in the best possible way they can at the time. The fact that these Hadiths were not from direct eye witnesses and surprisingly enough those hadiths also contradict each other. They don't hold much weight. (one says two pieces then the other says one side here and one side here then one says the prophet flew up) They don't add up at all.

My friend's psychological professor at the Uni of Guelph gave a lecture regarding how we think if someone is from a prestigious school we just assume they're right about everything when their knowledge is extremely limited. Many tests have shown these professors knowledge is limited to a very specific topic.

At this point it's safe to say he didn't. I remember telling myself i would not be a muslim if the quran truly said the prophet did it. but little to my knowledge... and from all the bashing islam got from it... NOWHERE DOES IT SAY HE DID.

So what does that say about the surah ? All the surah is describing is the moons crack when ironically... It is freakking cracked. Which inshaqqa also means CRACKED. SPLIT also can make sense. BUT UNFORTUNATELY SOME TRANSLATIONS HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SAY INTO TWO PIECES WHICH IS MESSED UP.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1304627/Cracks-surface-Moon-reveal-closest-neighbour-actually-shrinking.html

The moon is clearly cracked and this is actually a damn miracle. But unfortunately people falsely attribute this to the prophet...

No cherrypicking or running around. Ive seen words in the quran itself that use the same word inshaqqah for earth and other words that mean full separation.

As for what scholars think about this. There are some scholars that say the prophet did not split the moon. You can find it under the splitting of the moon page of wikipedia.

I hope this helps because this topic was eating my brain for 8 months until i had to take matters into my own hands. Now some people might bash me and say im beating the bush or "trying" to side with science when in reality i have been an atheist before.. going back if the quran actually said he split it wouldnt have been a problem for me. BUT IT DIDNT. Therefore Allahuakbar. Most muslims dont like thinking outside the box and blindly follow other sheikhs.

I hope ive helped you brother.


This makes sense, as there are many nasa articles and videos ive seen myself which talk about large cracks on the moon. I think the problem with saying it split completely is the lack of historical witnesses, if it did the whole planet would've seen it

anyways bruv, its glad that you read quran and took a break from all those islamaphobic sites which poison the brain, its the same as those rednecks who just watch fox news and CNN

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2016, 09:14:24 PM »
The issue is that some muslims take things TOO literal. Anyways bruv i hope my months of suffering and anxiety have paid off by helping you out.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2016, 01:07:26 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum,

The Glorious Quran declares that Prophet Muhammad did not split the moon!  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/moon_split.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/did_prophet_muhammad_split_the_moon_according_to_quran_and_hadiths.wmv


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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2016, 03:52:18 AM »
The Moon-splitting is only a un-authentic hadith,not an authentic one,a fabricated one.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2016, 06:41:07 AM »
The Moon-splitting is only a un-authentic hadith,not an authentic one,a fabricated one.


NOPE! The hadith from Abdullah ibn Mas'ud (may Allah be pleased with him) regarding the moon split is authentic. Whether the people on this site like it or not, the view that Muhammad (peace new upon him) split the moon is the view of most of the scholars and the best view. Why are you so against this miracle? Why are you not against Moses (peace be upon him) splitting the sea?

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2016, 06:54:31 AM »
There is atleast a bit of proof of Moses PBUH splitting the sea,as mentioned in the Qur'an AND HADITH,
but there is no Proof for Muhammad PBUH splitting the moon.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2016, 07:17:20 AM »
Aslaam walaikum brother how to post a article on answering christianity. Com that will be able to display on Internet actually I have abrogation of Quran 65 ayat 4

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2016, 07:35:00 AM »
From the scholars I have read, the narrations which depict this event as: the Prophet calling the Quraish to come to him, then he raising his index finger, due to which the Moon gets split into two, with such a distance between the two portions that one of its parts gets hidden behind a mountain - are unreliable narrations. The companions to whom such narrations are attributed were either not present or unable to be witness to the event. The most significant personality among them is Ibn Abbas, but the huge and obvious problem with Ibn Abbas being a witness is that, from other sources we know, he was around 13 years old when the Prophet died and this event happened during the Makkan period which means that during this event Ibn Abbas was 1-3 years old therefore making him unable to be a witness to this. Apparently, because of the high status of Ibn Abbas, he has often become the preferable "narrator" of fabricated narrations.

Some scholars, even though they believe in the splitting of the moon, contend that this wasn't a miracle of the Prophet because he didn't call people to come to him and told them he is going to show them a miracle but it was an event (actual splitting of the moon or whatever) that happened during the Prophet's time in Makkah and he directed the attention of the Quraish towards it.

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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2016, 08:59:16 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Again, the Glorious Quran declares that Prophet Muhammad did not split the moon!  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/moon_split.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/did_prophet_muhammad_split_the_moon_according_to_quran_and_hadiths.wmv


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Re: Questions regarding moon splitting
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2016, 09:01:03 AM »
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Aslaam walaikum brother how to post a article on answering christianity. Com that will be able to display on Internet actually I have abrogation of Quran 65 ayat 4

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

Please post your articles on this blog.  Create new topics, or add to existing topics, and post your article(s) there.  I will take a look at them, Insha'Allah.

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