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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2016, 09:51:24 AM »
The Rashad Khalifa lie that you keep spewing is exposed here:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm


Rashad Khalif is a false dajjal just like your salafi cult.  Both are notorious fabricators and liars.  The ample quotes and proofs at are:

www.answering-christianity.com/rk_cult_exposed.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links
  (Salafie grand sheikhs like Uthaymeen and others even allow for leaders to steal the wealth of the lands, and command the Muslims to never put them to justice)

Here is why he is used on this website:

www.answering-christianity.com/why_do_i_use_rk.htm

As to the Glorious Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles, the reader should visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#main_sections
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm


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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2016, 10:37:49 AM »
I know many scientific miracles have been exaggerated, but some of these ''refutations'' are old arguments which have been refuted themselves (such as the refutation to the iron,big bang and embryology miracle)

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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2016, 10:38:42 AM »
also that youtube channel you linked ''islamic miracle'' or whatever, i refuted many of their refutations years ago, you can maybe still find some of my comments under the username ''norman jayden,fbi''

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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2016, 11:03:04 AM »
I know many scientific miracles have been exaggerated, but some of these ''refutations'' are old arguments which have been refuted themselves (such as the refutation to the iron,big bang and embryology miracle)


 Then show me your rebuttals.

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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2016, 12:40:01 PM »
I remember coming across the cat eye nebula on those answering islam fiends.

Listen,as long as there aren't any scientific errors then i can sleep at night.  :-\

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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2016, 01:26:59 PM »
LOL it's quite funny that prophet Muhammad pbuh knew that what the greeks and ancient people even said because you don't know if these sources reached prophet Muhammad pbuh....it's also funny that the Qur'an doesn't mention the mistakes that they did and only mentions the right things proven by science....brother Osama already refuted your claim about lands between seas yet you're still mentioning them....oh also even if the ancient greeks discovered moon reflection please tell prove that Prophet Muhammad pbuh knew about this. yeah i  still belive these are miracles, you are the ones changing the words of Allah.

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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2016, 01:32:14 PM »
I remember coming across the cat eye nebula on those answering islam fiends.

Listen,as long as there aren't any scientific errors then i can sleep at night.  :-\

 Don't worry lol. You can sleep safely.

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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2016, 02:06:57 PM »
@Abdullah lol i lost so many nights of sleep. But how can one prove/be so sure of it :-/

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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2016, 02:20:04 PM »
@Abdullah lol i lost so many nights of sleep. But how can one prove/be so sure of it :-/


 I too lost lots of sleep because of these so called "mistakes". I discovered about them because of Osama Abdallah's "scientific miracles". But I strengthened my faith by studying the religion and looking at other religions and their people. And I have come to the conclusion after my journey that Islam is the TRUTH. Whether the kufar like it or not.  These websites deal with these so called "mistakes" so check them out:

http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1

http://call-to-
monotheism.com/refuting_claims_of_scientific_errors_being_present_in_islamic_teachings

http://quranscientificerror.blogspot.com/?m=1

Always use this website to look for Islamic stuff instead:

www.searching-islam.com 

There are other websites if you want. Rest assured brother, no need to panic. Also, is it summer vacation for you?

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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2016, 03:01:04 PM »
so do you not believe in any scientific miracles in the Qur'an?

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2016, 03:11:13 PM »
@Abdullah lol i lost so many nights of sleep. But how can one prove/be so sure of it :-/
well a simple way to be sure islam is the true religion is this, one must ask "why would prophet Muhammad pbuh lie about being a prophet of God?" in the end you'll find that prophet Muhammad pbuh could not in anyway lie about islam. when non muslims say prophet Muhammad pbuh is a liar i replly with this...so prophet Muhammad pbuh was married to one of the richest woman in mecca and his family were the chiefs of mecca, and suddenly at the age of 40 became shakespeare, made up the Qur'an and got disowned from his tribe and got beat up along wth other muslims everyday and lost all his wealth and shelter for what? A lie?? even his uncle came to him before all the issues and told him to give up on islam and he shall get all he wants, whether it's money, wealth or women but Prophet Muhammad pbuh said " "Even if they place the sun in my right-hand, and the moon in my left-hand in return for giving up this matter (Dawah to Islam), I will never stop – until; - either Allah makes it (the religion of Allah) triumph or I die defending it." [As-Seerah an-Nabaweyyah, Ibn Hisham (vol.1, p.265-266)
So prophet Muhammad pbuh would give up on all that and lose his reputation as the truthful and trustworthy for a lie? I don't think a sane man would do that lol

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2016, 03:28:39 PM »
so do you not believe in any scientific miracles in the Qur'an?

 No, what I believe in and what Osama ignored is the biggest miracle of the Quran. Its challenge to the whole world.

Say: "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another." [Qur'an 17:88]

And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'an) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful. [Qur'an 2:23]

And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allah (Lord of the heavens and the earth), but it is a confirmation of (the revelation) which was before it [i.e. the Taurat (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.], and a full explanation of the Book (i.e. laws and orders, etc, decreed for mankind) - wherein there is no doubt from the the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns,and all that exists).

Or do they say: "He (Muhammad(P)) has forged it?" Say: "Bring then a surah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whomsoever you can, besides Allah, if you are truthful!" [Qur'an 10:37-38]

Or they say, "He (Prophet Muhammad(P)) forged it (the Qur'an)." Say: "Bring you then ten forged surah (chapters) like unto it, and call whomsoever you can, other than Allah (to your help), if you speak the truth!" [Qur'an 11:13]

Or do they say: "He (Muhammad(P)) has forged it (this Qur'an)?" Nay! They believe not! Let them then produce a recital like unto it (the Qur'an) if they are truthful. [Qur'an 52:33-34]


See this page:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/

 So in short, no. I don't believe in these so called "scientific miracles" nor should you or anybody else since they are harmful to Muslims.

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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2016, 03:35:15 PM »
so be it don't believe them but they are part of the Qur'an and i and many people believe in them

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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2016, 03:39:18 PM »
Brother Ahmed Farooq mentioned how there were several prophets before us so they must've mentioned something regarding such scientific notions maybe.

The thing about the Quran is you have these Atheists,Christians and Jews screaming PLAGIARISM PLAGIARISM !!

When the Quran ITSELF stated several times that all the Quran is really about is the true older revelations that weren't altered or corrupt. By definition plagiarism is taking someone else's work and claiming it your own without the other knowing. All the Quran said is these are the unaltered verses which were previously mentioned before you.

Ironically it seems like the Christians and jews plagiarized their own books.

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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2016, 03:40:37 PM »
@Abdullah I get you bro but how can one make a concrete statement to claim the Quran has no scientific error in it ? Are there any sources references?

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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2016, 04:38:17 PM »
@Abdullah I get you bro but how can one make a concrete statement to claim the Quran has no scientific error in it ? Are there any sources references?

 How? What do you mean brother? Dr. Maurice Bucaille has made a book called The Bible, the Quran, and Science in where he comes to a conclusion in the end that the Quran, unlike the Bible, doesn't have scientific mistakes. The links above refute almost all of the claims made by anti-Islamics.. I have a question brother:

 If it is discovered later on that the Quran contradicts science in some way in the future. Wold you disbelieve in it?

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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2016, 04:56:11 PM »
@Abdullah hasn't Maurice's claims been refuted ? (On the wikipedia section of Islam and science which is SWARMING with answering islam members which we should fix btw)

I mean... it depends on the level of the so called error.. all I've been trying to research is does it contain 1 error because one could be fatal. Also where could the proof of no errors be found somewhere reliable? (Is the main reason i still come on this site to keep my mind at ease).

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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2016, 05:19:28 PM »

 If it is discovered later on that the Quran contradicts science in some way in the future. Wold you disbelieve in it?
that will never happen ;)

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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2016, 05:21:05 PM »
@Abdullah hasn't Maurice's claims been refuted ? (On the wikipedia section of Islam and science which is SWARMING with answering islam members which we should fix btw)

I mean... it depends on the level of the so called error.. all I've been trying to research is does it contain 1 error because one could be fatal. Also where could the proof of no errors be found somewhere reliable? (Is the main reason i still come on this site to keep my mind at ease).
no brother there aren't any errors in the Qur'an, anything answering islam says has been refuted

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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2016, 05:31:20 PM »
@Abdullah hasn't Maurice's claims been refuted ? (On the wikipedia section of Islam and science which is SWARMING with answering islam members which we should fix btw)

I mean... it depends on the level of the so called error.. all I've been trying to research is does it contain 1 error because one could be fatal. Also where could the proof of no errors be found somewhere reliable? (Is the main reason i still come on this site to keep my mind at ease).

 Maurice hasn't been refuted from what I saw at all. Second, what is this so called "fatal" error that you find in the Quran? We cannot fix the amount of anti-Islamics on the internet. They will exist every where and in all times. They have been their since the time of the prophet (peace be upon him. Even if the error was fatal, science always changes. You ask to many questions which could be bad. Ibn Taymiyah said that one's heart shouldn't be a sponge for questions so that one of these questions causes him great doubt. 400 years ago they said that the Sun revolves around the Earth and now the opposite. 3000 years ago they said the Earth is flat but now that it is round. Science changes. It always changes. I already gave you a source which claims that the Quran has no errors. Do you want the source to be Muslim or non-Muslim? Do you expect a Non-Muslim to claim that the Quran has no errors instead of lying? The only non-Muslim that I found was Maurice and Keith Moore. Other than that I don't know anybody.

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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2016, 05:32:54 PM »

 If it is discovered later on that the Quran contradicts science in some way in the future. Wold you disbelieve in it?
that will never happen ;)

 Read my original comment brother. There was a scientific contradiction in the Quran at the time of the prophet (peace be upon him) and the old scholars. How ever science know longer considers it to be a mistake.

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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2016, 05:38:00 PM »
no it wasn't an error back then, because the Qur'an agrees with ALL times that's why Allah didn't say THE EARTH IS ROUND but rather said (Dahaha) because it agreed back then with science and it agrees with science now

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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2016, 05:44:46 PM »
Do you really think anyone would've followed prophet Muhammad pbuh if there were scientifiic errors in the Qur'an back then?

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« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2016, 06:34:03 PM »
no it wasn't an error back then, because the Qur'an agrees with ALL times that's why Allah didn't say THE EARTH IS ROUND but rather said (Dahaha) because it agreed back then with science and it agrees with science now

 Am I talking to a wall? Go to the Dahaha HOAX section on this article to see my rebuttal to the claim. Dahaha doesn't mean made it round, again stop changing the word of Allah almighty.

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link=topic=2275.msg10194#msg10194 date=1474065886
Do you really think anyone would've followed prophet Muhammad pbuh if there were scientifiic errors in the Qur'an back then?

 Yes, would you follow him? Many Rabbis and Priests converted to Islam at his time because he was in the Torah and Injil. There is a lot if evidence for the prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon him).

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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2016, 06:39:30 PM »
your Dahaha HOAX section doesn't prove anything because it has been totally refuted ;) do you mean the verses say the Earth is flat???

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« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2016, 06:47:40 PM »
i don't care id totally refuted doesn't satisfy you but guess what? brother osama explained this ideology of yours in his article and explained what dahaha can mean

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« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2016, 06:54:15 PM »
your Dahaha HOAX section doesn't prove anything because it has been totally refuted ;) do you mean the verses say the Earth is flat???

Abdullah Almadi.  While you're allowed to post, but I never allow anyone to spam and monkey around.  You are required to directly answer this question that brother Omar has asked you.

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« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2016, 04:15:53 AM »
your Dahaha HOAX section doesn't prove anything because it has been totally refuted ;) do you mean the verses say the Earth is flat???

 My Dahaha HOAX section was a rebuttal to Osama Abdallah's so called rebuttal to my refutation of his Dahaha lie. Show me were it has been refuted? Like I said before, all you can do is say this:

"This doesn't matter because it has been refuted"

 You did that to Hamza Tzortis and I am waiting for you to show me the rebuttal to Hamza's article regarding the scientific miracles. Or did you lie on purpose? Now you do the same thing for my statements over here. To you this line ("This has been refuted") is enough to refute the actual claim itself. Or you know what? Why am I even writing this? I could just say this to you and end it all:

 Your rebuttal (which doesn't exist BTW) to my Dahaha HOAX section doesn't prove anything because it has been totally refuted ;)

 How does it feel to have your own medicine used against you brother? As for your question, no. The Quran doesn't say that the Earth is flat and it even might support the roundness of the Earth. There is a verse in the Quran which many scholars like Ibn Hazm use to prove the roundness of the Earth. When the Quran says things like "do they not see how the Earth was flattened" it means flattened to the eye. It was made to look flat but its still round. This is the opinion of almost all scholars with the exception of Al-Jalalayn and their tafsir is quite not reliable. And with all of that it is still not a "scientific miracle" because the concept of a round Earth dates back to the 6th century. [1]

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[1]:  Dicks, D.R. (1970). Early Greek Astronomy to Aristotle. Ithaca, N.Y.: Cornell University Press. pp. 72–198. ISBN 978-0-8014-0561-7.

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« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2016, 04:32:47 AM »
refuted by brother Osama in the article about scientific miracles itself ;)

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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2016, 04:41:11 AM »
i want you to explain what you think dahaha means because you haven't explained it in your DAHAHA HOAX section, no it is a miracle because people at the time in mecca thought the earth was flat, btw your explanation of flatness is extremely unhelpful and doesn't make any sense...."when the Quran says things like "do they not see how the Earth was flattened" it means flattened to the eye" that makes absolutely no sense. the arabic word is SUTIHAT meaning pressed and expanded not flattened. Brother Osama explained this already http://www.answering-christianity.com/sutihat_miracle.htm

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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2016, 04:46:15 AM »
Why would i lie to you? if something is refuted then i'd tell you it's refuted, if something isn't refuted then i wouldn't say it's refuted, brother Osama just refuted Hamza again...Hamza isn't an arab and he's trying to interpret the Qur'an using translations so there's all the proof to make me stay away from such a person

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« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2016, 04:46:58 AM »
explain to me what DAHAHA means according to you then i'll show you the refutation

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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2016, 04:55:24 AM »
Also in other threads or topics you keep telling people who ask questions to shut up, who are you to say that? they can ask as many questions as they like and if you don't like it DON'T ANSWER. simple as that, are you trying to terrify them and stop them from asking questions? they have doubts or waswas about something and you want them to stay like that? your attitude towards people is atrocious.

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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2016, 05:33:40 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,


Another STUNNING Miracle discovered!


Quite amazingly, the youtube video that Abdullah Almadi gave me that supposedly refutes my points on DAHAHA (earth spread out spherically), has further proven my points and has given me a new Scientific point that I overlooked.  Here are the details:



1-  The youtube video is located here:  https://youtu.be/5D4ChAnqkxU.

2-  My detailed proofs about the earth spread out spherically are listed here:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2243.msg10156.html#msg10156
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2270.msg10136.html#msg10136






3-  Now, in the youtube video, we find the following:



The Noble Verses are listed exactly after each and they say in Noble Verses 79:30-32

And the earth after that He has spherically expanded
Brought forth from it its water and pasture
and the MOUNTAINS HE SET FIRMLY.


Indeed, scientists have proven that:

1-  The earth has spherically expanded.

2-  The earth produced its water and pasture on a large scale as a result.  I have posted a Scientific Video from History Channel proving this:





3-  The mountains due to this expansion were formed; due to the plate tectonics movements, which caused for land to be pushed on top of each other, which formed mountains and hills.  You can learn about this at:

https://www.google.com/#q=mountains+formed+through+plate+tectonics

Read all of the details at my article:






But Prophet Muhammad didn't interpret them like this:

I get this lame argument a lot.  But Prophet Muhammad himself admitted, and Allah Almighty thoroughly confirmed that the Prophet couldn't interpret much of the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_muhammad_did_not_know_everything_about_quran.htm

So this lame argument that if it's not in the Hadiths (sayings) of the Prophet, then we don't accept it fails.



So Abdullah Almadi, like the infidels' stubborness, the more you fight the Glorious Quran, the more you prove it.

More to come on your other nonsense, insha'Allah.....

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2016, 03:42:46 AM »
i want you to explain what you think dahaha means because you haven't explained it in your DAHAHA HOAX section, no it is a miracle because people at the time in mecca thought the earth was flat, btw your explanation of flatness is extremely unhelpful and doesn't make any sense...."when the Quran says things like "do they not see how the Earth was flattened" it means flattened to the eye" that makes absolutely no sense. the arabic word is SUTIHAT meaning pressed and expanded not flattened. Brother Osama explained this already http://www.answering-christianity.com/sutihat_miracle.htm


 Your attempt to save the lie of the "scientific miracles" which many scholars have forbid because of its harmfulness to Islam and Muslims (Ramihs and I are an example of that) is horrible. You make a similar claim that I have refuted already:

 "So for example if the Quran says that the sea is blue. Is that a "miracle"? Because I could argue that the prophet (peace be upon him) never saw any sea and that no information about the color of the sea reached him. BTW I know that the color of the sea is reflected so no need to tell me. Your claim is similar to a claim that Brother Hamza Tzortis has dealt with. Read his second point over here:

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/does-the-quran-contain-scientific-miracles-a-new-approach/ "


 This paragraph from the essay simply DESTROYS your point:

"It is important to note that 7th Century Arabian economic life was based around trade and commerce. Travelling as far as the Far East was a common occurrence. Therefore, it is not impossible that there was an exchange of popular scientific practices and ideas. The historian Ira M. Lapidus in his book, A History of Islamic Societies, clearly states that the Arabs in Mecca were established traders travelling far and wide:

“By the mid-sixth century, as heir to Petra and Palmyra, Mecca became one of the important caravan cities of the Middle East. The Meccans carried spices, leather, drugs, cloth and slaves which had come from Africa or the Far East to Syria, and returned money, weapons, cereals, and wine to Arabia.”[31]

Therefore, in the view of a skeptic or seeker of truth, the assertion that the Prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) could not have accessed knowledge that was implied by the Qur’ānic verses is false. This is due to the fact that the probability of Prophet (upon whom be peace) exchanging ideas and practices with other cultures is higher than the probability of the Prophet (upon whom be peace) not accessing such knowledge. Therefore a new approach is needed to overcome to this intellectual obstacle, something which I will address later."

 I suggest that you stop trying to defend this corruption and sin. It brought almost no good and a lot of bad to Muslims sadly. And as I have said above, Ramihs and I are an example of that.


refuted by brother Osama in the article about scientific miracles itself ;)

 Are you by any chance a troll? I will not show the stupidity and fallacy of this phrase anymore. Instead, I would like to ask you where did Osama refute my claims in his "scientific miracles" section? Quote me a passage from his section that refutes my arguments. You are becoming like Osama, you think that your website is perfect and whenever someone refutes your material you give them the refuted material again claiming that the rebuttal was refuted inside the link!

explain to me what DAHAHA means according to you then i'll show you the refutation

 Dahaha according to ALL translators (people professional in Arabic!) means the following:

YUSUF ALI
And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);

SHAKIR
And the earth, He expanded it after that.

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And after that He spread the earth.

MUHSIN KHAN
And after that He spread the earth;

DR. GHALI
And the earth, after that He flattened it (for life).

PICKTHALL
And after that He spread the earth,


 If you want more translators then I will be pleased to give you them. Even if Dahaha means round or egg-shaped, I had already dealt with that both, scientifically and grammatically. And NONE of the tafsirs say that Dahaha means made it round! Even though all of them agree on the roundness of the Earth. They even used other verses from the Quran. But why didn't they use the Dahaha verse? However, their is an exception! A person whom Osama has great respect for his work! Rashad Khalifah! A person who claimed that he was a prophet from Allah and he translated Dahaha to mean "made it round". But then Osama mocks and insults the Salafis who fight against these false prophets and lies! Weird, isn't it? And then he calls them the "horn of Satan" even though they fight against innovation and false prophets. Don't worry about that, I will talk about ALL of that later on. What you are doing by changing the meaning of Dahaha is changing the word of Allah.

 
Why would i lie to you? if something is refuted then i'd tell you it's refuted, if something isn't refuted then i wouldn't say it's refuted, brother Osama just refuted Hamza again...Hamza isn't an arab and he's trying to interpret the Qur'an using translations so there's all the proof to make me stay away from such a person

 Is this Osama's GREAT rebuttal to Hamza Tzortis? How do we know that Hamza doesn't know Arabic in the first place? Just because he is Greek that doesn't make him not able to speak Arabic. Second, Hamza's rebuttals to this scientific miracles aren't even language related! He uses the same translations that Osama uses. Third, the Arabic which we speak nowadays is NOT the original Arabic of the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)! It is quite different. Although it is the same in many cases it still has changed so much! And Osama is Palestinian and I am a Saudi. And clearly the Saudi accent (Najdi accent) is closer to original Arabic than Osama's Palestinian accent! So I speak Arabic better than Osama does! So as an Arab, Hamza's material is perfect and there is nothing wrong with it. DONE! What kind of stupid excuse is this? He refuted the "miracles" historically not with language LOL! It doesn't matter where he comes from. Are you an Arab in the first place Omar Ahmed?

Also in other threads or topics you keep telling people who ask questions to shut up, who are you to say that? they can ask as many questions as they like and if you don't like it DON'T ANSWER. simple as that, are you trying to terrify them and stop them from asking questions? they have doubts or waswas about something and you want them to stay like that? your attitude towards people is atrocious.
 


 Can you PLEASE STOP LYING! You first lie and insult Hamza Tzortis and now me? You do know that lying is a sin, right? Why lie? What is the point of lying? Seriously! I NEVER told anyone to shut up! I only told Ramihs to stop asking many questions because of 2 things:

1- Asking too many questions was a trait hated by the prophet (peace be upon him)
2- It causes him many doubts which might weaken his faith

Rami asks to many questions to the point of it being worrying. Everyone has the right to ask questions, however Rami is an other case. Ibn Taymiyah once said that one shouldn't let his heart be a sponge for questions because that is harmful. YOUR attitude towards people is DECEPTIVE and ATROCIOUS! I have had enough of your lies brother, seriously! STOP IT!


You seem to be following Osama blindly. If it is forbidden to follow the best of scholars blindly then how about Osama Abdallah?





As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,


Another STUNNING Miracle discovered!


Quite amazingly, the youtube video that Abdullah Almadi gave me that supposedly refutes my points on DAHAHA (earth spread out spherically), has further proven my points and has given me a new Scientific point that I overlooked.  Here are the details:



1-  The youtube video is located here:  https://youtu.be/5D4ChAnqkxU.

2-  My detailed proofs about the earth spread out spherically are listed here:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2243.msg10156.html#msg10156
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2270.msg10136.html#msg10136






3-  Now, in the youtube video, we find the following:



The Noble Verses are listed exactly after each and they say in Noble Verses 79:30-32

And the earth after that He has spherically expanded
Brought forth from it its water and pasture
and the MOUNTAINS HE SET FIRMLY.


Indeed, scientists have proven that:

1-  The earth has spherically expanded.

2-  The earth produced its water and pasture on a large scale as a result.  I have posted a Scientific Video from History Channel proving this:





3-  The mountains due to this expansion were formed; due to the plate tectonics movements, which caused for land to be pushed on top of each other, which formed mountains and hills.  You can learn about this at:

https://www.google.com/#q=mountains+formed+through+plate+tectonics

Read all of the details at my article:





So Abdullah Almadi, like the infidels' stubborness, the more you fight the Glorious Quran, the more you prove it.

More to come on your other nonsense, insha'Allah.....

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


 By Allah I knew that this was gonna happen! Instead of dealing with the material that I wrote Osama will advertise his "scientific miracles" again. Osama, refute the material that I wrote THEN you can show us your GLORIOUS, AMAZING, and STUNNING scientific miracles. Now please get on topic. You were accusing me of "running away" before, but what happened to that tough talk now Osama? By Allah there is no one attacking the Holy and Noble Quran besides you and your "scientific miracles" friends. It is harmful to Muslims and Islam. And I am not going to repeat that again!

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2016, 05:35:30 AM »
Therefore, in the view of a skeptic or seeker of truth, the assertion that the Prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) could not have accessed knowledge that was implied by the Qur’ānic verses is false. This is due to the fact that the probability of Prophet (upon whom be peace) exchanging ideas and practices with other cultures is higher than the probability of the Prophet (upon whom be peace) not accessing such knowledge. Therefore a new approach is needed to overcome to this intellectual obstacle, something which I will address later."

^ Isn't that just fuelling the accusations of plagiarism??

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« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2016, 06:29:21 AM »
Therefore, in the view of a skeptic or seeker of truth, the assertion that the Prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) could not have accessed knowledge that was implied by the Qur’ānic verses is false. This is due to the fact that the probability of Prophet (upon whom be peace) exchanging ideas and practices with other cultures is higher than the probability of the Prophet (upon whom be peace) not accessing such knowledge. Therefore a new approach is needed to overcome to this intellectual obstacle, something which I will address later."

^ Isn't that just fuelling the accusations of plagiarism??


 Read the whole article. He even said in the end of the paragraph "which I will address later". Nobody is saying that the Prophet plagiarized anything.

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« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2016, 08:35:28 AM »
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A person whom Osama has great respect for his work! Rashad Khalifah! A person who claimed that he was a prophet from Allah and he translated Dahaha to mean "made it round". But then Osama mocks and insults the Salafis who fight against these false prophets and lies! Weird, isn't it? And then he calls them the "horn of Satan" even though they fight against innovation and false prophets. Don't worry about that, I will talk about ALL of that later on. What you are doing by changing the meaning of Dahaha is changing the word of Allah.

I knew this salafi will resort to lies.  His rotten traits don't change.  He's been warned about this before.



Now, let us examine Hamza's link that thoroughly destroys our claims about the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran:

"This however doesn’t imply a miracle, because the above interpretation of the word ᶜalaqah is not certain, and a sceptic could argue that it could be just a guess. [There is also the problem of interpreting the literal meaning of the word as a metaphorical one. This is beyond the scope of the essay, but I adopt the view that a comprehensive understanding of Arabic and Qur’ānic stylistics allows this word to be understood as leech-like or worm-like and not referring to an actual leech or worm]. The point here though is not to argue the miraculous but to articulate the view that the Qur’ān is multilayered, and therefore can address various perspectives and interpretations."

And

"If a multi-level or a multilayered analysis cannot produce anything meaningful, then a future scientific discovery or conclusion can open the window of opportunity to provide a meaningful analysis. This exposes the axiom that the Qur’ān is not inaccurate or wrong. This is not a unjustified assumption, as there are a myriad or arguments that indicate the Qur’ān is a signpost to the supernatural, in other words from the Divine. Although it is not the scope of this essay to discuss this in detail, one such example to show that the Qur’ān has Divine origins includes the fact that it is linguistically inimitable."

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/does-the-quran-contain-scientific-miracles-a-new-approach/

So what exactly did he refute here?  And making ridiculous assertions like the one above about ALAQA, which had been throughly defined using 7 encyclopedic dictionaries, with examples of it being used in sayings and quotations.  The reader can see it all at:

www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology


And Hamza's Middle analogy about:

1-  John needs oxygen to survive.
2-  My dog needs oxygen to survive.
3-  Therefore, John is my dog.


And other loads of BS in his article. 


I respect Philosophy, but it is also a field for a lot of BS and games.  But you know what?  Numbers know no BS and no game!




The Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran:

In the past, I have cornered this salafi, Almadi, by giving him STUNNING Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran.  He dismissed them as Rashad Khalifa work.  This is despite the fact that the latter had NOTHING to do with any of them, nor do we have any regard for him.  Yet, he continues to use the deviant liar against us and worse, against the Glorious Quran's Numerical Miracles.  The reader can visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm


And if you think this is nonsense like this salafi, then allow me to give you what Allah Almighty Himself Said about this Miracle.  He said it is one of the GREATEST ONES:

[074:030]  Over it are Nineteen عليها تسعة عشر.
   
[074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY وماجعلنا عدتهم الا  as (1) a trial for Unbelievers,- (2) in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, (3) and the Believers may increase in Faith,- (4) and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, (5) and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.
   
[074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,
[074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,
[074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-
[074:035]  This is but one of the MIGHTY ONES (Miracles) انها لاحدى الكبر.
[074:036] A warning to mankind,-
[074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-


Go read the rotten salafies' interpretations to these Noble Verses.  Man, you would clearly see the bold and obnoxious denial of the Miracle!  Just rotten dogs barking.



A warning to Mankind:

Did you guys catch this Noble Verse, above:

[074:036] A warning to mankind,-

This Number 19 Numerical Miracle is so big that is is one of the GREATEST ONES, and so important that Allah Almighty said it is a WARNING TO MANKIND!

These Muslims who continue to speak ill and display despicable attitude towards the Glorious Quran's Miracles need to be very very careful.  "A warning to mankind,-".  Why would Allah Almighty say this if it's something ludicrous?



Let's cut all of the Nonsense!  And let's visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm


  • This last link is about Allah Almighty's Divine Promise to Reveal the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran so that it will become clear to us that the Holy Book is the Truth from Him, the Almighty.
  • "We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it (the Quran) is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"


One more point.  Ever since when these rotten salafies respect philosophers??  Ever since when someone like Hamza Tzortis is considered even a human being and not just a creature?  Do they not have bloody history against philosophers, like Sufis and Muatazila and others?  And no, I am not defending those sects.  I am just a Muslim who follows the Glorious Quran and the Sunnah.  But I am just pointing out the rotten traits and hypocrisy of these people.




The Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran:

The following links give you ample STUNNING Scientific Miracles.  Also remember Allah Almighty's Divine Promise to Reveal them to prove that the Quran is the Truth sent from Him:

www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#main_sections





THE HORN OF SATAN:

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, declared that the HORN OF SATAN will come from Saudi Arabia.  For clear cut Hadiths and proofs, and also proofs from the Glorious Quran, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2016, 11:39:38 AM »
Almadi, so you've only shown 1 tafsir of the earth being flattened while all the others said SPREAD OUT, did you not see in brother Osama's article when he addressed that? i never said DECEPTIVE attitude, i'm telling you that the doubt has already happened, if he never asks about these things he might leave islam and die a kafir, then who's to blame? YOU and him....prophet Muhammad pbuh said it is haram to ask too many questions about what ALLAH DIDN'T REVEAL in the Qur'an....do not make false claims and distort the meaning to make it suit your messed up ideology

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« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2016, 11:42:14 AM »
as long as the questions have answers Allah gave us then it is for his benefit, he is not trying to annoy us

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« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2016, 07:16:03 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I have banned this salafi Almadi.  Unlike other users who ask questions, this guy is obnoxious and is not here to learn.  He is a spammer and also a liar.

Anyway, this is not why I made this post.  I wanted to bring to your attention the above update that I made to my reply.  Here it is:



A warning to Mankind:

Did you guys catch this Noble Verse, above:

[074:036] A warning to mankind,-

This Number 19 Numerical Miracle is so big that is is one of the GREATEST ONES, and so important that Allah Almighty said it is a WARNING TO MANKIND!

These Muslims who continue to speak ill and display despicable attitude towards the Glorious Quran's Miracles need to be very very careful.  "A warning to mankind,-".  Why would Allah Almighty say this if it's something ludicrous?



Let's cut all of the Nonsense!  And let's visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm


  • This last link is about Allah Almighty's Divine Promise to Reveal the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran so that it will become clear to us that the Holy Book is the Truth from Him, the Almighty.
  • "We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it (the Quran) is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"


One more point.  Ever since when these rotten salafies respect philosophers??  Ever since when someone like Hamza Tzortis is considered even a human being and not just a creature?  Do they not have bloody history against philosophers, like Sufis and Muatazila and others?  And no, I am not defending those sects.  I am just a Muslim who follows the Glorious Quran and the Sunnah.  But I am just pointing out the rotten traits and hypocrisy of these people.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2016, 02:11:48 AM »
Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
Ok first of all, why would you ban him? Please unban him, and let us discuss this in a proper manner, that includes you brother Osama, instead of just calling him a "rotten Salafi", and instead of being close-minded Almadi, be ready to learn.

This is disgusting, how 2 Muslim brothers are simply just getting angry at each other, see it is the Muslim ummah that is suffering from disunity like both of yours.

Now onto moving onto the point.

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Your attempt to save the lie of the "scientific miracles" which many scholars have forbid because of its harmfulness to Islam and Muslims

Give evidence, of any scholar saying such things.

You barely even address many of the true scientific miracles in the Quran.
 Allah (SWT) always sent his revelation to the people, in what they were advanced in or were interested in or reasearching at that time. Why? Because, so when they see the amazing miracles, that theymselves cannot replicate, they know the Prophet is speaking the truth. So in Musa's time, people were interested in magic, what did Musa do by the will of Allah (SWT)? He struck his staff, turning it into a real snake, which eats all the other "snakes" from the magicians. In 'Isa's time, people were interested in medicine, so when 'Isa, by the will of Allah (SWT), 'Isa did many medicinal miracles, such as curing lepre, making a clay bird into a real bird, curing a blind man,etc. So at the time of Muhammad (SAW), people were interested into poetry, the Quran, was a miracle, which is beyond their  abilities to replicate. Now, what are people interested in? Essentially, science. Then in the Quran, look at the scientific miracles.

Now a major point in your so called "refutation" was that those miracles already predate to the Greeks, or other civilisations. Do you know who the Greeks were, or at least what they were known for. They were philosphists. Look at what all they did. They made millions upon millions of "hypotheses" or "theories", and when it turns out, one of them is partially right, people make a big deal out of it, when in fact, all they did was guess-work. And the ones that were partially right, that was not the Greeks' favoured view, like, look how they believed in the 4 humours. That was very pathetic, they had no evidence to back most of their claims. And the ones who were partially right? Well they were wrong in other aspects, and I GUARANTEE you that! I challenge you to bring me one Greek philosophist, who was not wrong in any of his claims, well, you can't because, as I said, some made partially right claims, yet other parts of it were wrong, and the partially right parts are often cherry-picked.

Furthermore, Muhammad (SAW) was illiterate, he would not have had access to any of the Greeks ideas. And lets say hypothetically, that he did have access to the material, and hypothetically he was literate. If like the non-Muslims say that he had access to the Greek's knowledge, how would he have differentiated between which claim was right, which was wrong, if it were like the non-Muslims say, it would have been inevitable, that in a million claims, that after "plagiarising" (which Muhammad (SAW) did not do, and the scientific miracles are accurate), there would be a mistake, yet look at the Quran, not a single mistake. Why? Because it is the word of God. See, you can't even see through the illogical claims you are making, Brother Almadi. See, look at the Big Bang one for instance, the major claim at that time, was that the earth was flat, there were many people, saying that it was round, but the Church and others, hid their claims, like look at Galileo, he said that, and then he was persecuted, his claims were hushed, and not many people know of it, and this was during or after the 1500s. Nearly 1000 years after the prophet. Whether or not, the Quran says if the earth is egg-shaped, it does not say it is flat. Also FYI, that image is highly exaggerating the folds and crevices, so it is easy to see. So you say that some Sumerian texts say that the big-bang happened, so what? That text was probably not have been easily accessible at Muhammad (SAW)'s time. So it would have been highly unlikely that he would have accessed it and then used it, especially since he was illiterate.  And he didn't need to, as Allah (SWT) gave the Quran to him, which had the scientific miracles.

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a sceptic could argue that it could be just a guess

How it could have been guess work? There are many many many, scientific miracles in the Quran, and there are no un-scientific claims in the Quran. Even If hypothetically speaking, it cannot have been guess work, especially since, you could make a million hypotheses, for one scientific question, yet none of them can be right, a good example is the Greeks, as I said, they made many many claims, for example, what is matter, none of them said atoms, yet they said many other things, the closest claim was, that everything, can keep on being split into half, then it cannot be split anymore which is substance that makes up matter. That claim is partially right, however, atoms are made up of electrons, protons and neutrons, all which, are different substance. So if there was a 0.000000001% chance that was guess-work, and it came right, if another question arises, then there is a 0.000000001% chance that, that is guessed, and then correct. So the chance of guessing and getting them both right is 0.000000001% squared, and if this is done many many times, it is statistically speaking, extremely close to impossible for it to be a guess. However, practically it is impossible for it to be a guess, and since Islam is the right religion that is practical, then of course it is cannot have been guess-work. Also, scientific theories are like that too, after many evidences, it is like a 0.000000001% chance that is wrong, so the theory is then deemed to be correct, and to be used.

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I don't think that their is a contradiction between science and Islam, but they might appear later on

For you to even say that, is potentially blasphemy, because then you are saying, that scientific facts, are contradicting Islam. So are you saying that, Allah (SWT) does not know how he has designed his creation?!?!?? Are you saying, that Allah (SWT)'s guidance, is wrong?!?!??!?!?? ?Repent to Allah Brother Abdullah.

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« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2016, 03:13:42 AM »
I ban spammers and liars.  This is not about not accepting my arguments.  This is about being obnoxious and spamming, along with fabricating lies.  No unbaning.  Just move on.

Also, your rebuttal above was to Almadi, not me.  Your post sounds like you're refuting me.  But the quotes that you quoted were from him, not me.

Just wanted to make that clear.  And I love your last part when you said:

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I don't think that their is a contradiction between science and Islam, but they might appear later on

For you to even say that, is potentially blasphemy, because then you are saying, that scientific facts, are contradicting Islam. So are you saying that, Allah (SWT) does not know how he has designed his creation?!?!?? Are you saying, that Allah (SWT)'s guidance, is wrong?!?!??!?!?? ?Repent to Allah Brother Abdullah.

This goes to show the extremes these rotten salafies would go to to:

1-  Dumb down Islam and turn it into a stupid and corrupt religion worthy of mocking and making fun of like the Bible's religions and the pagans' religions.

2-  To remove the DANGEROUS Miracles of the Glorious Quran, because they are indeed dangerous to the enemies of Islam.  They're the only thing that:

(a)-  Truly prove that Islam is the Divine Truth, and not just some BS from some bedouin.

(b)-  Truly confirm the previous Miracles of the other Prophets that are constantly being mocked and made fun of.

(c)-  Truly cement the Believe of all Believers, and truly make Islam stand the test of time.

(d)-  Fulfill Allah Almighty's Divine Promise that He will indeed reveal the Miracles of the Quran to all of mankind to prove to them that It is indeed from Him, the Almighty.

Anyway, enough talk about the salafi.  You're welcomed to post as you want, but please don't get involved in the banning and unbanning business.  I don't ban people easily and carelessly.  And I am not fragile nor weak.  I am used to taking on mountains of work and challenges.  A rotten salafi doesn't shake me.  But like I said, I don't tolerate spammers and liars.  And he's been warned multiple times before on this.

So, stay out of this please.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2016, 04:22:18 AM »
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I don't think that their is a contradiction between science and Islam, but they might appear later on

For you to even say that, is potentially blasphemy, because then you are saying, that scientific facts, are contradicting Islam. So are you saying that, Allah (SWT) does not know how he has designed his creation?!?!?? Are you saying, that Allah (SWT)'s guidance, is wrong?!?!??!?!?? ?Repent to Allah Brother Abdullah.

Abdullah Almadi was talking about scientific concepts and not scientific facts. In a way, it can argued that there is no such thing as a scientific "fact" because every concept has the potential to change with time and new information. This is the point of view from which Abdullah Almadi was talking about.

Regrading the ban, while Abdullah Almadi's arguments can be argued to be trite and oft-repeated, but one thing that should be mentioned is that the banned individual was told not to worry about being banned and additionally that he wouldn't be insulted either. There are probably going to be responses to this paragraph, but I should mention that I don't really care enough for this issue and probably will not respond (which should also help to bury the issue here instead of carrying it forward).

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Regrading the ban, while Abdullah Almadi's arguments can be argued to be trite and oft-repeated, but one thing that should be mentioned is that the banned individual was told not to worry about being banned and additionally that he wouldn't be insulted either.

While I try to dedicate as much personal time as I can to serving Allah Almighty, but I am not an entertainer to buffoons.  And you yourself seem to be one along with that banned salafi.

First of all, since you believed he was a trite in his arguments, then you had the moral obligation to speak.  Otherwise, you are what Islam calls you a "silent satan".  I was fiercely defending the Holy Quran against the rubbish that this buffoon was quoting left and right from the anti-Islam sites on the internet.  And what were you doing?  Just sitting silently watching the trite attack your Holy Book?

And as to his ban, maybe you didn't read everything.  I will give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.  I didn't ban him because of the arguments that he was presenting.  I banned him because he once again resorted to lies.  He was also talking from his rear end about the Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran, and also about the Scientific ones.  I already explained that in my reply to him before I banned him.  So if you read it, then you are a trite like him.

Once again, I am not into entertaining buffoons and trites.  And you seem to be one.  And a coward too for letting satanic cults attack your Holy Book and you did nothing.  And after he got banned, you came forward and called his arguments trite?  So what did you want me to do?  Continue wasting my personal time on this garbage and his satanic cult to entertain him?  I would spend all of my time helping people and answering their doubts.  But I am not into wasting my time on garbage and cults.


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Abdullah Almadi was talking about scientific concepts and not scientific facts. In a way, it can argued that there is no such thing as a scientific "fact" because every concept has the potential to change with time and new information. This is the point of view from which Abdullah Almadi was talking about.

Do you even understand what you write?  Scientific concepts and not scientific facts??  When Allah Almighty says that He Expanded the EARTH SPHERICALLY, this is not a statement of fact to you?  And as I already challenged the rotten salafi multiple times on, what about the Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran, and Allah Almighty Saying that it is a Warning to Mankind?  I already elaborated on this above? 

So what are you talking about here?  You really lost me, dude.  The Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran are based on clear statements from Allah Almighty, and also based on Numerical Miracles as well.  And we all know that numbers do not lie.

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« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2016, 04:32:44 PM »
It's a shame that Abdullah got blocked as i wanted to share something with him and show him the link below.

http://www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-ar/%D8%AF%D8%AD%D8%A7/

^We have that dahhaha the egg-ness can be found in Mu3jam al waseet and it uses the example in the Quran.. isn't this sufficient enough ?

Now the REAL question is how can we prove that the earth is extremely similar in oblate-ness? If you go on the Science and Quran section of wikipedia (SWARMING WITH answering islam fiends and SOMETHING WE DESPERATELY HAVE TO FIX AS BILLIONS OF MUSLIMS VIEW THAT SITE FIRST !!!!!!)  They claim than an egg or ostrich egg is Prolate while the earth is slightly Oblate.

We need to take control of that area on wikipedia it shouldn't be left in the hands of non-arabic speaking christians. I'm arab and my arabic is nowhere near the quranic level.

Another real issue is how can we know that Mohammad our prophet (SaW) preached in a blanket statement that hey guys the earth we live in IS NOT flat ?


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« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2016, 09:31:48 PM »
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I don't think that their is a contradiction between science and Islam, but they might appear later on

For you to even say that, is potentially blasphemy, because then you are saying, that scientific facts, are contradicting Islam. So are you saying that, Allah (SWT) does not know how he has designed his creation?!?!?? Are you saying, that Allah (SWT)'s guidance, is wrong?!?!??!?!?? ?Repent to Allah Brother Abdullah.

Abdullah Almadi was talking about scientific concepts and not scientific facts. In a way, it can argued that there is no such thing as a scientific "fact" because every concept has the potential to change with time and new information. This is the point of view from which Abdullah Almadi was talking about.


You are right in sort of a sense, it can be argued that in science, there are no facts. However, there are observations, which can be used as empirical evidence, to a theory, however the theory might not be a fact. So if Brother Abdullah was talking about scientific concepts, then he is saying that in a theory, with evidence, it can contradict Islam. Which is impossible, because Allah (SWT) knows his creation the best, and his guidance cannot have mistakes, since Allah (SWT) is the one only god, and he is infallible.

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This goes to show the extremes these rotten salafies would go to to:

1-  Dumb down Islam and turn it into a stupid and corrupt religion worthy of mocking and making fun of like the Bible's religions and the pagans' religions.

2-  To remove the DANGEROUS Miracles of the Glorious Quran, because they are indeed dangerous to the enemies of Islam.  They're the only thing that:

(a)-  Truly prove that Islam is the Divine Truth, and not just some BS from some bedouin.

(b)-  Truly confirm the previous Miracles of the other Prophets that are constantly being mocked and made fun of.

(c)-  Truly cement the Believe of all Believers, and truly make Islam stand the test of time.

(d)-  Fulfill Allah Almighty's Divine Promise that He will indeed reveal the Miracles of the Quran to all of mankind to prove to them that It is indeed from Him, the Almighty.

Why did you have to bring Salafis into this? Who said that Salafis try to "debunk" the scientific miracles of the Quran? What I follow in Islam, is close to the Salafis, probably the only difference is, that some of them claim that they are a part of a sect, which they call the Salafis. Whereas I follow the Quran and Sunnah, but I do not claim to be a part of a sect. And "Salafis" follow the Quran and Sunnah, except they claim to be a sect of Islam. So please can you stop using "rotten Salafis" as an insult?

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« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2016, 09:19:00 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

One false comment was made regarding the Number 19 Numerical Miracle:

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A person whom Osama has great respect for his work! Rashad Khalifah!


I want to make the following abundantly clear:

1-  Rashad Khalifa is a deviant false prophet.  And his Numerical Law that he extracted from the Glorious Quran was faulty.  It had errors in it, and he made miscalculations, whether deliberately or by mistake.

2-  The Numerical Law that we have, which the Muslim Scholar Adnan Al-Refaei extracted from the Glorious Quran, AFTER 25 YEARS OF RESEARCH, is completely different from Rashad Khalifa's.  The latter used the ABJAD numerical values, which is not an Arabic table, while the former (Brother Adnan) found his table from the Glorious Quran Itself using Noble Surah Nuh (Noah), and its 950 Letters and Years Miracle as the confirmation to:

(a)-  What Letter counts as Letter, and what Letter counts as a vowel.  Vowels have no numerical value.

(b)-  How the ALIF be counted, depending on how it is written.

(c)-  And he provided literally 1000s of examples from the Glorious Quran that thoroughly prove that this Law is consistent throughout the Holy Book.



Adnan Al-Refaei's discovery, not Rashad Khalifa:

To all rotten salafies, Rashad Khalifa has nothing to do with the Numerical Miracle.  The Numerical Law that was discovered was based on Noble Surah Nuh (Noah) Miracle.  Not based on Rashad Khalifa.  I made this clear in the article along time ago:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm

I just want to dispel any doubt and lie that may still linger regarding this.  The satanic cult of satan, the salafies and others, are the real enemies of Islam from within.  These Mighty Miracles threaten and destroy all of their lies, and their dumbed down false islam that they invented.




THE HORN OF SATAN:

Salafies are a cult of satan.  They are also arrogant and full of ignorance.  You basically can not even speak with them.  I've had many tough times with many of them.  They are a cult of satan, and Prophet Muhammad himself said that the HORN OF SATAN will come from Saudi Arabia.  We are living this time.  Their government has stolen all wealth, and the religious leaders of the salafi cult are nothing but toilet papers in the hands of the rulers.  They employ Islam to serve them, and they demonize those who disagree with the rulers.  They even openly and boldly said that even if the ruler STEALS THE WEALTH, and commits sins even in front of the Kaaba in Mecca, then he still remains the ruler, and he is not subject to any judgment:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9018.html#msg9018
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2087.msg8986#msg8986




When you turn yourself into a prostitute like this, and turn Islam into a religion of prostitutes, then I have no reason to believe that you are not a follower of satan.  And indeed, Prophet Muhammad's Prophecy is true about this satanic cult.


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So please can you stop using "rotten Salafis" as an insult?

Why stop insulting the satanic cult when they even allow stealing and all sinning by the rulers.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #51 on: September 23, 2016, 09:12:44 AM »
I always thought that some of the scientific miracles were a bit odd. It is a good thing that you have a sceptical personality, i appreciate that.

I look forward to your work on Muhammad pbuh in the bible, it'd be interesting to see a sceptics view on that topic.

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« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2016, 02:24:20 PM »
So if Brother Abdullah was talking about scientific concepts, then he is saying that in a theory, with evidence, it can contradict Islam. Which is impossible...

A theory with evidence can definitely contradict reality. For example, when we look up at the sky and see burning stars lighting up the night sky, simple observation concludes that they are continuously burning even now, at this very instant. But science today tells us that this "theory [of burning stars], with evidence [of simple observation]" is actually incorrect as some of those stars we see in the sky had burned up a long time ago.

I try to just ignore individuals who instead of staying on topic and trying to provide non-fallacious arguments become personal and hurl insults on the other person's character, not to mention commit paragraph-long straw man fallacies but since I'm already here (and don't have anything better to do) I may as well give a response.

First of all, since you believed he was a trite in his arguments, then you had the moral obligation to speak.

Well, first of all, I did not say that I "believed" his arguments were trite, I just said they "can be argued to be [so]". And even if I believed as such, why is it my "moral obligation to speak"? Hundreds, if not thousands of times all over the internet trite and old arguments are made against Islam, do you spend your entire day, answering those?

"silent satan"

I suppose the following narration was being referenced to:
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“One who keeps silent rather than say the truth is a silent Satan.”
Source: www.al-islam.org/shiah-are-real-ahlul-sunnah-muhammad-al-tijani-al-samawi/introduction-and-foreword

I was unable to find any reference to this, so its authenticity is at the moment suspect for me. Additionally, there could be a number of reasons why I shouldn't have responded, like maybe the subject requires knowledge of the Arabic language which I just might not have, or maybe even that I already knew, the individuals involved in the discourse were, regarding their points-of-view, too "excited" to even hope they would change their original opinions when faced with defeating arguments.

I was fiercely defending the Holy Quran against the rubbish that this buffoon was quoting left and right from the anti-Islam sites on the internet.

It would be more accurate to say that you were defending your interpretation of what the Qur'an says and not the Qur'an itself. The authenticity of the Qur'an or whatever was never put into question.
Additionally, the sites which were quoted,
Which of these are "anti-Islam sites on the internet"? The only reference that can be called as "anti-Islam" was, if I'm not mistaken, a single video from YouTube (hardly a case of "quoting left and right").

Just sitting silently watching the trite attack your Holy Book?

It was your interpretations and understanding of the book that were being attacked and not the Qur'an itself.

He was also talking from his (...) about the Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran...

If I'm not mistaken, he pretty much didn't say anything about the numerical miracles (at-least not in this post). He claimed they were a "lie" a few times, but gave no evidence or arguments for it.

... So if you read it, then you are a trite like him.

OK, you've lost me there, completely. "Trite" would be something overused, repeated etc. When did I post something similar to my post above? And why the need to bold and underline the sentence, it isn't like being called a "trite" is something really offensive and insulting, is it?

And after he got banned, you came forward...

The only thing I pointed out was the apparent contradiction between what you said before and what you later on actually did. Otherwise before your saying that you will not insult and not ban the person, you had previously insulted (several times) and banned him (at-least once) already. I pretty much didn't say anything at the time, one reason for it being that there wasn't a contradiction then.

So what did you want me to do?  Continue wasting my personal time on this garbage and his satanic cult to entertain him?

Maybe then, you shouldn't make promises that you can't keep.

You're not getting banned.  I don't ban people based on the genuine information that they post.  No worries :).

As'salamu Alaikum,

I would like to apologize to brother Abdullah Almadi for being harsh and rude with him.  He was within his rights to post his view or opinion on whether the Noble Verses were literal or not.  I had no right to insult him.  I have modified my post above and kept it only to the answer to brother Abdullah's post.

I am very sorry brother Abdullah for losing myself.  It won't happen again.  Please feel free to post what's in your mind freely.  I will not respond with insults to you ever again.

I hope you accept my apology.

When Allah Almighty says that He Expanded the EARTH SPHERICALLY...

Again, that is your interpretation of the verse, whether you like it or not, there is a significant difference of opinion on the matter.

...this is not a statement of fact to you?

How did I come into this? Science is being talked about here, not my personal opinions. As I said before, it can be argued that Science is always open to the possibility that anything and everything we know about the Universe can just simply be false.

And as I already challenged the rotten salafi multiple times on, what about the Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran, and Allah Almighty Saying that it is a Warning to Mankind?  I already elaborated on this above?

Why exactly are you telling me this? Did I in my comment say anything that would suggest I consider one opinion to be correct and the other incorrect?

The Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran are based on clear statements from Allah...

Depends on the definition of "clear". Others can argue "clear" would mean a negligible difference of opinion on the matter both in past and the present and that is "clearly" not the case.

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« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2016, 10:24:45 PM »
@AhmedFarooq so is the Quran wrong when it mentiond stars and the sun as lamps ?

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« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2016, 11:47:16 PM »
How did you get to that conclusion? The sun and stars being referred to as lamps is not an incorrect description, but are the lamps burning right now or had they burnt out thousands or even millions of years ago; without us knowing about it or being able to directly observe any difference in the night sky. The two issues are unrelated.

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« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2016, 05:22:11 AM »
@AhmedFarooq My bad must've misread it. Btw do you think there are any scientific errors/contradictions in the Quran ? Cause so far i haven't found a reliable to source to claim there aren't. Just to many different interpretations.


@Osama Regards to the wife beating scenario. I'm confused is it actually beat or desert them ? The hadiths you added on previous articles.

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.  (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"

Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: "I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.  (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138)"

 Isn't this some sort of contradiction ? If not then how come the majority of scholars have interpreted it to mean otherwise? (then again they say pokemon card games are haram)

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« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2016, 05:39:35 AM »
What difference would it make to you, even if I were to tell you, that I don't think there are.

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« Reply #57 on: September 26, 2016, 06:00:00 AM »
I meant to imply if ever during your research have you ever come across one single valid assertion that held a lot of weight. The difference it would make is my question was showing forth my lack of knowledge hence why i asked you.

I get anxious sometimes due to traumatic expierences in the past from randomly stumbling upon wikiislam (thinking it was a good muslim site) answering islam and councilofexmuslims (if you ever seen it maybe)

Basically the paranoia makes me wonder after all my research. Could i have possibly missed 1 single claim that could be fatal ? So far all ive seen were shenanigans yet i can't help but wonder if there's something deadly lurking.

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« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2016, 04:34:15 AM »
And I meant to say that what difference my assurance would make that hasn't already been made by what so many others have told you here, previously? I personally don't really understand the reasons for your anxiety, but if you really want to be certain about Islam, I would suggest to commit yourself and formally learn about the religion which would require some hard work, instead of using stop-gap measures and reading up brief articles (which in my opinion is, at the end of the day, just a shortcut and is used because it is more convenient).

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« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2016, 05:04:33 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

The position of the stars and also them being lamps are discussed here:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1424.msg5409.html#msg5409
www.answering-christianity.com/position_of_stars.mp3


As to infidels websites creating doubts, this is why Allah Almighty wants me and you to focus on the Glorious Quran's Numerical Miracles.  Numbers are not vague and they do not lie.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #60 on: September 27, 2016, 08:43:47 AM »
Osama,doesn't the Prophet Muhammad's journey during Isra w miraj claim that he can preform miracles ? (Thus further supplementing the argument that he could've split the moon ?)

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« Reply #61 on: September 27, 2016, 09:41:22 AM »
The Glorious Quran doesn't say that the moon got split.  It says INSHAQ (cracked).  FULIQA or INFALAQA انفلق would've been the word (split in two).  And Allah Almighty used this Noble Word in the Glorious Quran in:

[026:063] We instructed Musa by revelation, to strike the sea with his stick! The sea split فانفلق; each portion stood like a huge towering mountain.

‏26:63 فاوحينا الى موسى ان اضرب بعصاك البحر فانفلق فكان كل فرق كالطود العظيم


Also, Allah Almighty Said that the Prophet was not allowed to perform any physical Miracle, because they would dismiss it as sorcery as the ones before them did.  The Quran's Miracle is the Quran Itself.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/did_prophet_muhammad_split_the_moon_according_to_quran_and_hadiths.wmv
www.answering-christianity.com/moon_split.htm



As to Isra and Miraaj, only the Isra happened according to the Glorious Quran.  No Miraaj (ascending to Heaven).  And if the moon did split in half, then Allah Almighty would've mentioned it clearly in the Holy Book, and the world would've witnessed it.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah