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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2016, 03:13:42 am »
I ban spammers and liars.  This is not about not accepting my arguments.  This is about being obnoxious and spamming, along with fabricating lies.  No unbaning.  Just move on.

Also, your rebuttal above was to Almadi, not me.  Your post sounds like you're refuting me.  But the quotes that you quoted were from him, not me.

Just wanted to make that clear.  And I love your last part when you said:

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I don't think that their is a contradiction between science and Islam, but they might appear later on

For you to even say that, is potentially blasphemy, because then you are saying, that scientific facts, are contradicting Islam. So are you saying that, Allah (SWT) does not know how he has designed his creation?!?!?? Are you saying, that Allah (SWT)'s guidance, is wrong?!?!??!?!?? ?Repent to Allah Brother Abdullah.

This goes to show the extremes these rotten salafies would go to to:

1-  Dumb down Islam and turn it into a stupid and corrupt religion worthy of mocking and making fun of like the Bible's religions and the pagans' religions.

2-  To remove the DANGEROUS Miracles of the Glorious Quran, because they are indeed dangerous to the enemies of Islam.  They're the only thing that:

(a)-  Truly prove that Islam is the Divine Truth, and not just some BS from some bedouin.

(b)-  Truly confirm the previous Miracles of the other Prophets that are constantly being mocked and made fun of.

(c)-  Truly cement the Believe of all Believers, and truly make Islam stand the test of time.

(d)-  Fulfill Allah Almighty's Divine Promise that He will indeed reveal the Miracles of the Quran to all of mankind to prove to them that It is indeed from Him, the Almighty.

Anyway, enough talk about the salafi.  You're welcomed to post as you want, but please don't get involved in the banning and unbanning business.  I don't ban people easily and carelessly.  And I am not fragile nor weak.  I am used to taking on mountains of work and challenges.  A rotten salafi doesn't shake me.  But like I said, I don't tolerate spammers and liars.  And he's been warned multiple times before on this.

So, stay out of this please.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2016, 04:22:18 am »
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I don't think that their is a contradiction between science and Islam, but they might appear later on

For you to even say that, is potentially blasphemy, because then you are saying, that scientific facts, are contradicting Islam. So are you saying that, Allah (SWT) does not know how he has designed his creation?!?!?? Are you saying, that Allah (SWT)'s guidance, is wrong?!?!??!?!?? ?Repent to Allah Brother Abdullah.

Abdullah Almadi was talking about scientific concepts and not scientific facts. In a way, it can argued that there is no such thing as a scientific "fact" because every concept has the potential to change with time and new information. This is the point of view from which Abdullah Almadi was talking about.

Regrading the ban, while Abdullah Almadi's arguments can be argued to be trite and oft-repeated, but one thing that should be mentioned is that the banned individual was told not to worry about being banned and additionally that he wouldn't be insulted either. There are probably going to be responses to this paragraph, but I should mention that I don't really care enough for this issue and probably will not respond (which should also help to bury the issue here instead of carrying it forward).

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2016, 07:54:31 am »
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Regrading the ban, while Abdullah Almadi's arguments can be argued to be trite and oft-repeated, but one thing that should be mentioned is that the banned individual was told not to worry about being banned and additionally that he wouldn't be insulted either.

While I try to dedicate as much personal time as I can to serving Allah Almighty, but I am not an entertainer to buffoons.  And you yourself seem to be one along with that banned salafi.

First of all, since you believed he was a trite in his arguments, then you had the moral obligation to speak.  Otherwise, you are what Islam calls you a "silent satan".  I was fiercely defending the Holy Quran against the rubbish that this buffoon was quoting left and right from the anti-Islam sites on the internet.  And what were you doing?  Just sitting silently watching the trite attack your Holy Book?

And as to his ban, maybe you didn't read everything.  I will give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.  I didn't ban him because of the arguments that he was presenting.  I banned him because he once again resorted to lies.  He was also talking from his rear end about the Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran, and also about the Scientific ones.  I already explained that in my reply to him before I banned him.  So if you read it, then you are a trite like him.

Once again, I am not into entertaining buffoons and trites.  And you seem to be one.  And a coward too for letting satanic cults attack your Holy Book and you did nothing.  And after he got banned, you came forward and called his arguments trite?  So what did you want me to do?  Continue wasting my personal time on this garbage and his satanic cult to entertain him?  I would spend all of my time helping people and answering their doubts.  But I am not into wasting my time on garbage and cults.


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Abdullah Almadi was talking about scientific concepts and not scientific facts. In a way, it can argued that there is no such thing as a scientific "fact" because every concept has the potential to change with time and new information. This is the point of view from which Abdullah Almadi was talking about.

Do you even understand what you write?  Scientific concepts and not scientific facts??  When Allah Almighty says that He Expanded the EARTH SPHERICALLY, this is not a statement of fact to you?  And as I already challenged the rotten salafi multiple times on, what about the Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran, and Allah Almighty Saying that it is a Warning to Mankind?  I already elaborated on this above? 

So what are you talking about here?  You really lost me, dude.  The Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran are based on clear statements from Allah Almighty, and also based on Numerical Miracles as well.  And we all know that numbers do not lie.

Osama

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2016, 04:32:44 pm »
It's a shame that Abdullah got blocked as i wanted to share something with him and show him the link below.

http://www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-ar/%D8%AF%D8%AD%D8%A7/

^We have that dahhaha the egg-ness can be found in Mu3jam al waseet and it uses the example in the Quran.. isn't this sufficient enough ?

Now the REAL question is how can we prove that the earth is extremely similar in oblate-ness? If you go on the Science and Quran section of wikipedia (SWARMING WITH answering islam fiends and SOMETHING WE DESPERATELY HAVE TO FIX AS BILLIONS OF MUSLIMS VIEW THAT SITE FIRST !!!!!!)  They claim than an egg or ostrich egg is Prolate while the earth is slightly Oblate.

We need to take control of that area on wikipedia it shouldn't be left in the hands of non-arabic speaking christians. I'm arab and my arabic is nowhere near the quranic level.

Another real issue is how can we know that Mohammad our prophet (SaW) preached in a blanket statement that hey guys the earth we live in IS NOT flat ?


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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2016, 09:31:48 pm »
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I don't think that their is a contradiction between science and Islam, but they might appear later on

For you to even say that, is potentially blasphemy, because then you are saying, that scientific facts, are contradicting Islam. So are you saying that, Allah (SWT) does not know how he has designed his creation?!?!?? Are you saying, that Allah (SWT)'s guidance, is wrong?!?!??!?!?? ?Repent to Allah Brother Abdullah.

Abdullah Almadi was talking about scientific concepts and not scientific facts. In a way, it can argued that there is no such thing as a scientific "fact" because every concept has the potential to change with time and new information. This is the point of view from which Abdullah Almadi was talking about.


You are right in sort of a sense, it can be argued that in science, there are no facts. However, there are observations, which can be used as empirical evidence, to a theory, however the theory might not be a fact. So if Brother Abdullah was talking about scientific concepts, then he is saying that in a theory, with evidence, it can contradict Islam. Which is impossible, because Allah (SWT) knows his creation the best, and his guidance cannot have mistakes, since Allah (SWT) is the one only god, and he is infallible.

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This goes to show the extremes these rotten salafies would go to to:

1-  Dumb down Islam and turn it into a stupid and corrupt religion worthy of mocking and making fun of like the Bible's religions and the pagans' religions.

2-  To remove the DANGEROUS Miracles of the Glorious Quran, because they are indeed dangerous to the enemies of Islam.  They're the only thing that:

(a)-  Truly prove that Islam is the Divine Truth, and not just some BS from some bedouin.

(b)-  Truly confirm the previous Miracles of the other Prophets that are constantly being mocked and made fun of.

(c)-  Truly cement the Believe of all Believers, and truly make Islam stand the test of time.

(d)-  Fulfill Allah Almighty's Divine Promise that He will indeed reveal the Miracles of the Quran to all of mankind to prove to them that It is indeed from Him, the Almighty.

Why did you have to bring Salafis into this? Who said that Salafis try to "debunk" the scientific miracles of the Quran? What I follow in Islam, is close to the Salafis, probably the only difference is, that some of them claim that they are a part of a sect, which they call the Salafis. Whereas I follow the Quran and Sunnah, but I do not claim to be a part of a sect. And "Salafis" follow the Quran and Sunnah, except they claim to be a sect of Islam. So please can you stop using "rotten Salafis" as an insult?

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Adnan Al-Refaei's discovery, not Rashad Khalifa
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2016, 09:19:00 am »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

One false comment was made regarding the Number 19 Numerical Miracle:

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A person whom Osama has great respect for his work! Rashad Khalifah!


I want to make the following abundantly clear:

1-  Rashad Khalifa is a deviant false prophet.  And his Numerical Law that he extracted from the Glorious Quran was faulty.  It had errors in it, and he made miscalculations, whether deliberately or by mistake.

2-  The Numerical Law that we have, which the Muslim Scholar Adnan Al-Refaei extracted from the Glorious Quran, AFTER 25 YEARS OF RESEARCH, is completely different from Rashad Khalifa's.  The latter used the ABJAD numerical values, which is not an Arabic table, while the former (Brother Adnan) found his table from the Glorious Quran Itself using Noble Surah Nuh (Noah), and its 950 Letters and Years Miracle as the confirmation to:

(a)-  What Letter counts as Letter, and what Letter counts as a vowel.  Vowels have no numerical value.

(b)-  How the ALIF be counted, depending on how it is written.

(c)-  And he provided literally 1000s of examples from the Glorious Quran that thoroughly prove that this Law is consistent throughout the Holy Book.



Adnan Al-Refaei's discovery, not Rashad Khalifa:

To all rotten salafies, Rashad Khalifa has nothing to do with the Numerical Miracle.  The Numerical Law that was discovered was based on Noble Surah Nuh (Noah) Miracle.  Not based on Rashad Khalifa.  I made this clear in the article along time ago:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm

I just want to dispel any doubt and lie that may still linger regarding this.  The satanic cult of satan, the salafies and others, are the real enemies of Islam from within.  These Mighty Miracles threaten and destroy all of their lies, and their dumbed down false islam that they invented.




THE HORN OF SATAN:

Salafies are a cult of satan.  They are also arrogant and full of ignorance.  You basically can not even speak with them.  I've had many tough times with many of them.  They are a cult of satan, and Prophet Muhammad himself said that the HORN OF SATAN will come from Saudi Arabia.  We are living this time.  Their government has stolen all wealth, and the religious leaders of the salafi cult are nothing but toilet papers in the hands of the rulers.  They employ Islam to serve them, and they demonize those who disagree with the rulers.  They even openly and boldly said that even if the ruler STEALS THE WEALTH, and commits sins even in front of the Kaaba in Mecca, then he still remains the ruler, and he is not subject to any judgment:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9018.html#msg9018
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2087.msg8986#msg8986




When you turn yourself into a prostitute like this, and turn Islam into a religion of prostitutes, then I have no reason to believe that you are not a follower of satan.  And indeed, Prophet Muhammad's Prophecy is true about this satanic cult.


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So please can you stop using "rotten Salafis" as an insult?

Why stop insulting the satanic cult when they even allow stealing and all sinning by the rulers.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #51 on: September 23, 2016, 09:12:44 am »
I always thought that some of the scientific miracles were a bit odd. It is a good thing that you have a sceptical personality, i appreciate that.

I look forward to your work on Muhammad pbuh in the bible, it'd be interesting to see a sceptics view on that topic.

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2016, 02:24:20 pm »
So if Brother Abdullah was talking about scientific concepts, then he is saying that in a theory, with evidence, it can contradict Islam. Which is impossible...

A theory with evidence can definitely contradict reality. For example, when we look up at the sky and see burning stars lighting up the night sky, simple observation concludes that they are continuously burning even now, at this very instant. But science today tells us that this "theory [of burning stars], with evidence [of simple observation]" is actually incorrect as some of those stars we see in the sky had burned up a long time ago.

I try to just ignore individuals who instead of staying on topic and trying to provide non-fallacious arguments become personal and hurl insults on the other person's character, not to mention commit paragraph-long straw man fallacies but since I'm already here (and don't have anything better to do) I may as well give a response.

First of all, since you believed he was a trite in his arguments, then you had the moral obligation to speak.

Well, first of all, I did not say that I "believed" his arguments were trite, I just said they "can be argued to be [so]". And even if I believed as such, why is it my "moral obligation to speak"? Hundreds, if not thousands of times all over the internet trite and old arguments are made against Islam, do you spend your entire day, answering those?

"silent satan"

I suppose the following narration was being referenced to:
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“One who keeps silent rather than say the truth is a silent Satan.”
Source: www.al-islam.org/shiah-are-real-ahlul-sunnah-muhammad-al-tijani-al-samawi/introduction-and-foreword

I was unable to find any reference to this, so its authenticity is at the moment suspect for me. Additionally, there could be a number of reasons why I shouldn't have responded, like maybe the subject requires knowledge of the Arabic language which I just might not have, or maybe even that I already knew, the individuals involved in the discourse were, regarding their points-of-view, too "excited" to even hope they would change their original opinions when faced with defeating arguments.

I was fiercely defending the Holy Quran against the rubbish that this buffoon was quoting left and right from the anti-Islam sites on the internet.

It would be more accurate to say that you were defending your interpretation of what the Qur'an says and not the Qur'an itself. The authenticity of the Qur'an or whatever was never put into question.
Additionally, the sites which were quoted,
Which of these are "anti-Islam sites on the internet"? The only reference that can be called as "anti-Islam" was, if I'm not mistaken, a single video from YouTube (hardly a case of "quoting left and right").

Just sitting silently watching the trite attack your Holy Book?

It was your interpretations and understanding of the book that were being attacked and not the Qur'an itself.

He was also talking from his (...) about the Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran...

If I'm not mistaken, he pretty much didn't say anything about the numerical miracles (at-least not in this post). He claimed they were a "lie" a few times, but gave no evidence or arguments for it.

... So if you read it, then you are a trite like him.

OK, you've lost me there, completely. "Trite" would be something overused, repeated etc. When did I post something similar to my post above? And why the need to bold and underline the sentence, it isn't like being called a "trite" is something really offensive and insulting, is it?

And after he got banned, you came forward...

The only thing I pointed out was the apparent contradiction between what you said before and what you later on actually did. Otherwise before your saying that you will not insult and not ban the person, you had previously insulted (several times) and banned him (at-least once) already. I pretty much didn't say anything at the time, one reason for it being that there wasn't a contradiction then.

So what did you want me to do?  Continue wasting my personal time on this garbage and his satanic cult to entertain him?

Maybe then, you shouldn't make promises that you can't keep.

You're not getting banned.  I don't ban people based on the genuine information that they post.  No worries :).

As'salamu Alaikum,

I would like to apologize to brother Abdullah Almadi for being harsh and rude with him.  He was within his rights to post his view or opinion on whether the Noble Verses were literal or not.  I had no right to insult him.  I have modified my post above and kept it only to the answer to brother Abdullah's post.

I am very sorry brother Abdullah for losing myself.  It won't happen again.  Please feel free to post what's in your mind freely.  I will not respond with insults to you ever again.

I hope you accept my apology.

When Allah Almighty says that He Expanded the EARTH SPHERICALLY...

Again, that is your interpretation of the verse, whether you like it or not, there is a significant difference of opinion on the matter.

...this is not a statement of fact to you?

How did I come into this? Science is being talked about here, not my personal opinions. As I said before, it can be argued that Science is always open to the possibility that anything and everything we know about the Universe can just simply be false.

And as I already challenged the rotten salafi multiple times on, what about the Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran, and Allah Almighty Saying that it is a Warning to Mankind?  I already elaborated on this above?

Why exactly are you telling me this? Did I in my comment say anything that would suggest I consider one opinion to be correct and the other incorrect?

The Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran are based on clear statements from Allah...

Depends on the definition of "clear". Others can argue "clear" would mean a negligible difference of opinion on the matter both in past and the present and that is "clearly" not the case.

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2016, 10:24:45 pm »
@AhmedFarooq so is the Quran wrong when it mentiond stars and the sun as lamps ?

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2016, 11:47:16 pm »
How did you get to that conclusion? The sun and stars being referred to as lamps is not an incorrect description, but are the lamps burning right now or had they burnt out thousands or even millions of years ago; without us knowing about it or being able to directly observe any difference in the night sky. The two issues are unrelated.

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2016, 05:22:11 am »
@AhmedFarooq My bad must've misread it. Btw do you think there are any scientific errors/contradictions in the Quran ? Cause so far i haven't found a reliable to source to claim there aren't. Just to many different interpretations.


@Osama Regards to the wife beating scenario. I'm confused is it actually beat or desert them ? The hadiths you added on previous articles.

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.  (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"

Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: "I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.  (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138)"

 Isn't this some sort of contradiction ? If not then how come the majority of scholars have interpreted it to mean otherwise? (then again they say pokemon card games are haram)

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2016, 05:39:35 am »
What difference would it make to you, even if I were to tell you, that I don't think there are.

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #57 on: September 26, 2016, 06:00:00 am »
I meant to imply if ever during your research have you ever come across one single valid assertion that held a lot of weight. The difference it would make is my question was showing forth my lack of knowledge hence why i asked you.

I get anxious sometimes due to traumatic expierences in the past from randomly stumbling upon wikiislam (thinking it was a good muslim site) answering islam and councilofexmuslims (if you ever seen it maybe)

Basically the paranoia makes me wonder after all my research. Could i have possibly missed 1 single claim that could be fatal ? So far all ive seen were shenanigans yet i can't help but wonder if there's something deadly lurking.

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« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2016, 04:34:15 am »
And I meant to say that what difference my assurance would make that hasn't already been made by what so many others have told you here, previously? I personally don't really understand the reasons for your anxiety, but if you really want to be certain about Islam, I would suggest to commit yourself and formally learn about the religion which would require some hard work, instead of using stop-gap measures and reading up brief articles (which in my opinion is, at the end of the day, just a shortcut and is used because it is more convenient).

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2016, 05:04:33 am »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

The position of the stars and also them being lamps are discussed here:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1424.msg5409.html#msg5409
www.answering-christianity.com/position_of_stars.mp3


As to infidels websites creating doubts, this is why Allah Almighty wants me and you to focus on the Glorious Quran's Numerical Miracles.  Numbers are not vague and they do not lie.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles

Take care,
Osama Abdallah