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Offline iknowi

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Should we add Jesus to the Shahada?
« on: September 23, 2016, 05:50:09 AM »
Society seems drunk from media indoctrination, the average person doesnt research religion and if they do it's only to a very superficial level. Muhammad pbuh is painted as a warlord in the media, if you put jesus in the Shahada it will dilute this false perception because Jesus is associated with love.

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Laillaha Ilallahu, Muhammadur Rasool Allah, Jesus Rasool Allah...?

The original Shahada was just Laillaha illalahu, but they added Muhammad pbuh to it by tradition to honor him.

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Re: Should we add Jesus to the Shahada?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2016, 06:17:27 AM »
The typical everyday person probably doesnt even know that Jesus is one of the mightiest messengers of God.

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Re: Should we add Jesus to the Shahada?
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2016, 03:24:06 AM »
Quick question on jesus and mary. Was Mary pregnant for the whole 9 months or was Jesus' birth spontaneous and she just appeared with him ? Also,when did her and Joseph first meet since they both got married a year after ?

What I'm implying is what are the odds of it being Allah sending Jibril and not another man ?

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Re: Should we add Jesus to the Shahada?
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2016, 05:23:22 AM »
Quick question on jesus and mary. Was Mary pregnant for the whole 9 months or was Jesus' birth spontaneous and she just appeared with him ? Also,when did her and Joseph first meet since they both got married a year after ?

What I'm implying is what are the odds of it being Allah sending Jibril and not another man ?

الله أعلم

 Quick question,

 Are you by any chance Introvert98? Since your questions are very weird or useless. How could anyone besides Allah send Jibril? How are you a Muslim in the first place if you don't believe in miracles?

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Re: Should we add Jesus to the Shahada?
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2016, 05:35:40 AM »
Lol i remembered introverts posts lol.

HamduLah my iman in miracles are getting much stronger,however;questions do arise from time to time.

Mainly just to eliminate the odds of error and get a clear understanding of the process.

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Re: Should we add Jesus to the Shahada?
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2016, 05:49:35 AM »
Regardless of how "useless" the question might be, what Ramihs97 was asking, "what are the odds of it [i.e. Jesus' birth] being Allah sending Jibril [for a miraculous birth] and not another man [responsible for a natural birth]".

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Re: Should we add Jesus to the Shahada?
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2016, 07:26:54 AM »
Basically what AhmedFarooq said.

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Re: Should we add Jesus to the Shahada?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2016, 10:36:59 AM »
because Jesus is associated with love.

Such love only applies onto believers of a human-God that died on cross and resurrected back to life after completing the finishing act of dying.


Also, Hellenistic Christianity is often attached with non stop massacre, spreading bloodshed and wars worldwide.
As their manifested human form War God will not guide non believers to make peace with believers but rather, as War God returned he will send them to hell on earth.
And still not satisfied punishing them in hell, he will release their leader first from hell so that the evil leader can prepare his armies on earth to a Greater battle against the War God.
The War God will boast his triumph by instantly winning the battle by invoking fire from the sky to torment them with painful ending.

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Re: Should we add Jesus to the Shahada?
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2016, 11:19:13 AM »
as for sending 'other man' onto Mary would mean God permits act of adultery solely in her case. Or another situation is that' the 'other man' was sent to perform forced intercourse while she was in state of unawareness.

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She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" - and it is (3:47)

The case of Adam a.s and Jesus a.s ars different as God Himself shape them using substances. And later life is breath onto them.

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Re: Should we add Jesus to the Shahada?
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2016, 01:32:36 PM »
@Submit how could he be shaped then breathed into ? Also i don't see how the Bible war god was of relevance to Joseph and mary ?

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Re: Should we add Jesus to the Shahada?
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2016, 10:24:54 PM »
When a Creator shapes His creations e.g Adam,Jesus  it doesnt mean the Creator needs to be in contact with the substances to mould the objects He wish.

As for giving life to non living objects, that is the duty of Holy Spirit by inserting a soul into it .

The story of war God has nothing to do with Joseph and Mary. It is a depiction of the role played by their human-God son.

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Re: Should we add Jesus to the Shahada?
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2016, 02:44:28 AM »
@submit but aren't there verses that say man was once clay then we made him into either semen or dust? Or some that say man was dust first then water then clay ?