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« on: December 31, 2016, 05:25:43 PM »
Assalam alikum I very confused by verse 15:18 in this verse it says (except if they snatch one a clear burning flame follows them) my problem is the arabic word mubīnun it means visible to see but we can't see the gamma rays with the naked eye and if we say it means fire mass well we can't see that either with the naked eye the only thing is a shooting star a meteor but a meteor does not produce it's own light and they don't come from stars so that causes problems with 67:5 when it says stars are used as missiles the fire so I need help

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Re: Need answer please
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2017, 04:12:27 AM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam Sharon,

The Glorious Quran talks about certain STARS and other FLAMING CELESTIAL OBJECTS shooting flames by His Will those whom Allah Almighty cursed in space.  I have thoroughly demonstrated this with scientific evidence at:

www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm

No burning "STAR" (notice the double quotes here) is invisible in space.  All of them can be seen with the naked eye.  They're not as glorious as our sun would appear during the hottest and more bright days on earth, but they do, nonetheless, give off light and can be seen.  And Allah Almighty talked about our day layer does glorify the sun's rays:

www.answering-christianity.com/sun_rays_miracle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


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Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2017, 05:52:55 AM »
So are you say the meteors give of gamma rays is that what you are saying because like I said 15:18 says we can see a burning flame move follow in other words see a flame move and we can't see gamma rays or flames move except meteors but meteors don't produce there own light please forgive me it's not that o disagree it's just I find it confusing 15:18

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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2017, 06:47:46 AM »
It doesn't say we can see it.  MUBEEN means UNDENIABLE.  It also means clear.  It also means SOMETHING THAT IS FIGURED OUT.  Again, undeniable.  You're adding words into the Glorious Quran.  This is where the Holy Quran's TABAYYANA LAHU (became clear to him) تبين له  comes from.  TABAYYANA and MUBEEN have the root word, BAYAN or BAYYIN. 

It is quite feasible that the creations of the SMOKELESS FIRE (i.e., the Jinns) can be hit hardest from rays that come from stars, pulsars, dark matter that we know little about, get tangled, stuck and struck in the Comic Web, which science has recently confirmed its existence, while it was mentioned in the Glorious Quran 1500 years ago, and so on.  It's very plausible.  No contradiction here.  We just simply don't know the unseen world.

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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2017, 06:50:10 AM »
Dude.  Your name is quite silly.  You named yourself "Sharon <removed>" in your email, yet, you can't even speak English.  Quite gay.  And your Arabic sounds like an Arab Christian's one.  He only knows the stupid slang Arabic of today, but the Quranic Classical Arabic is FOREIGN to him.  You stink in both English and Arabic.  And you're gay for naming yourself after a woman.

Right Sharon?  You're still welcomed to post here.  But I want you to know that you NEED NOT to resort to these silly ways.  You can come clear as a disbeliever and you will not be bothered.  I've had LONG THREADS of discussions with disbelievers before here on this board.  Here is an example:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg2616.html#msg2616

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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2017, 09:44:46 AM »
Assalam alikum I am a women and I am a muslim I was just confused that was all yes my arabic is not that good because I don't speak arabic I am english and I use my mobile witch sometimes puts the words I don't want to use there is no need to speak to me like that I'm your sister in islam

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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2017, 10:14:48 AM »
But the word undeniable and clear means we can see it something with a flame

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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2017, 10:35:28 AM »
So does saying that Allah swt is undeniable means that Allah is seen?

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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2017, 02:53:36 PM »
Ok so you are saying is if we got hit by it then we could see it but it doesn't mean we have to see it is that correct but 2. Why is the arabic word mubīnun used in all other verses to mean to see something and 3. It sounds like the verse is talking to us humans saying we get them with a flame you can see clear undeniable but your answer is very good tho I just need a bit more info that's all thanks jazzakkallah

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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2017, 07:21:18 PM »
Maybe we can help if you show us where in the Qur'an the word  mubinun  means to see something.
Maybe you misunderstood some of its meanings

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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2017, 09:02:06 PM »
26:32 : So [Moses] threw his staff, and suddenly it was a serpent manifest. So it says people can see the snake in moses time and many other verses where prophets say I'm a clear warner so that means people can see them as a warner and what about 37:10 where it say piercing brightness flame so it means it can pierce through darkness like stars and meteors so it all sound like it has to be a flame in the sky that we can see like stars and meteors and the only thing we can see move is meators but that would cause a problem with 67:5 because meteors don't come from stars atall and this is what I am confused about

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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2017, 11:08:27 PM »
Yes, it was CLEARLY a live snake, and not a fake one.  Moses, peace be upon him, CREATED FROM A WOODEN STICK, - through Allah Almighty's Will, - a live snake and not a fake one.  It was not a magic trick.  It was real.

As to the piercing light, it doesn't refer to light or material that we will be able to see here on earth by merely looking up.  Allah Almighty did speak in multiple Noble Verses about mankind will discover the Universe out there and will reach what is beyond this earth.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/space_pressure_in_noble_quran.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/precise_prophecy_about_traveling_up_to_space_in_noble_quran.wmv
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm




Who said Meteorites??

Allah Almighty Said that the Jinns are created from SMOKELESS FIRE.  And Allah Almighty also Said that He uses some stars TO SHOOT the evil ones from them.  From where did you get rocks and meteorites from??

Did you read the article that I gave you above:

www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm

[067:005]  And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.

Here the JINNS are struck with RAYS from the LAMPS.  Yet, humans, when they reach the deep space, they'll be met with:

[055:035]  There shall be sent against you a flame of fire, and molten copper; and you shall not be able to help yourselves.

‏55:35 يرسل عليكما شواظ من نار ونحاس فلا تنتصران


Also, scientists have confirmed that stars are "Giant Plasma Weapons".  This is what they called them.





Section #3 proves its about PULSARS!

The accurate description of the Glorious Quran regarding the stars that shoot the JINNS perfectly matches NASA's descriptions of the PULSARS.  Read the article, please:

www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm


There are a lot more Noble Verses and explanations.  Please read the article.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2017, 10:44:18 AM »
Ok thanks jazzakkallah so are verse 55:35 and 37:10 connect or separate since one is meant to be talking about meteors and the other is talking about gamma rays

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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2017, 11:41:21 AM »
Also even tho I agree with what you said about 37:10 but it says stars are piercing brightness and we of course we can see the stars so how do we explain that with the 37:20 but thanks for your help jazzakkallah

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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2017, 12:56:38 AM »
Ok thanks jazzakkallah so are verse 55:35 and 37:10 connect or separate since one is meant to be talking about meteors and the other is talking about gamma rays

May Allah Almighty bless you as well.  Ameen.

Noble Verse 37:10 speaks about rays shooting the jinns.  Noble Verse 55:35 speaks about both rays and molten metals striking humans when they go deep into space.  So while the physical molten metals may not effect the jinns, since they are not flesh and blood like us, but it would definitely effect us, and also effect our space ships that we would be in.

Notice that Allah Almighty never spoke about any molten metal striking the jinns.  Only rays; gamma rays and rays of other material.  The molten metals were mentioned only for us humans, to inform us on what to expect when we penetrate the deep space.  Plus also the gamma rays would also be another thing to watch for, as they too are mentioned in the same Noble Verse.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.  May Allah Almighty continue to bless you and keep you in Islam.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah