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past or present tense
« on: January 06, 2017, 12:39:44 pm »
Assalam alikum I was wondering if anyone can help I was wondering whether verses 27:52 and 28:58 and 22:45 are speaking in past or present tense in verse 27:52 and 28:58 it says (so these there dwellings ) the arabic word is til'ka so I was wondering whether these verses speaking in past or present tense jazzakkallah

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Re: past or present tense
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2017, 02:26:33 am »
Wa Alaikum As'salam sister,

TILKA means "these are" or "this is" (in the feminine), or "this is what".  Here are the Noble Verses in question:

[027:052]  Now such were فتلك their houses, بيوتهم - in utter ruin, خاوية - because they practised wrong- doing. Verily in this is a Sign for people of knowledge.

‏27:52 فتلك بيوتهم خاوية بما ظلموا ان في ذلك لاية لقوم يعلمون
 

[028:058]  And how many populations We destroyed, which exulted in their life (of ease and plenty)! now those فتلك habitations of theirs, مساكنهم after them, are deserted,- All but a (miserable) few! لم تسكن من بعدهم الا قليلا and We are their heirs!

‏28:58 وكم اهلكنا من قرية بطرت معيشتها فتلك مساكنهم لم تسكن من بعدهم الا قليلا وكنا نحن الوارثين
 

[022:045]  How many populations have We destroyed, which were given to wrong-doing? They tumbled down on their roofs. And how many wells are lying idle and neglected, and castles lofty and well-built?

‏22:45 فكاين من قرية اهلكناها وهي ظالمة فهي خاوية على عروشها وبئر معطلة وقصر مشيد


We see in all of the Noble Verses above, Allah Almighty is either referring to actual ancient ruins that existed in certain places, or writings about people that were authentic, that detailed the destruction of certain people and their places.  And it seems that people back then sometimes lived inside ancient ruins.  It makes sense, since people back then were all primitive anyway.  So the ancient ruins looked similar to their current homes.


So regarding your question above:

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Assalam alikum I was wondering if anyone can help I was wondering whether verses 27:52 and 28:58 and 22:45 are speaking in past or present tense in verse 27:52 and 28:58 it says (so these there dwellings ) the arabic word is til'ka so I was wondering whether these verses speaking in past or present tense jazzakkallah

It is speaking in both.  The people were a people of the past, and their ancient ruins or what's been documented about them were the present. 

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: past or present tense
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2017, 08:09:55 am »
Thanks jazzakkallah but if there all in the present tense then how do we explain 27:52 when it says there houses un utter ruin destroyed how Could someone live in something destroyed unless verse 28:58 is not talking about thamud but someone else and 22:45 supports 27:52 as well because it says fallen down I mean who do you think 28:58 is mainly talking about ad thamud or sodom or saba or people of the wood shuaib people peace be upon him

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2017, 08:15:56 am »
And what do you mean by this sorry ( or writings about people that were authentic, that detailed the destruction of certain people and their places) do you mean something like the bible etc and when you say there ancient were similar to there houses you mean the people of mecca houses and such but the quran says they are or traces meant to be better like broken pillars and a few bricks etc in verse 40:21 and is it possible that verse 28:58 means the lands instead of houses sorry for all the questions but thanks jazzakkallah

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Re: past or present tense
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2017, 11:14:36 am »
Not all ancient ruins at the time were completely empty.  Some were and some had people occupying them.  Again, all people back then were primitive.  Therefore, it shouldn't be a surprise if people were living in some of them.  Again, Allah Almighty Said:

"....All but a (miserable) few! لم تسكن من بعدهم الا قليلا ..."

I already quoted the Noble Verse for you, above.  Also, Noble Verse 28:58 says مساكنهم HOUSES or HOMES.  So no, it is referring to actual places that were occupied.

And Noble Verse 28:58 isn't just talking about ad thamud or sodom or saba or people of the shuaib.  It is talking about all examples of the past for us to learn from.


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Re: past or present tense
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2017, 11:17:22 am »
Whatever you do, make sure you don't end up like the doomed-to-Hell infidels that you're asking circular questions about :).

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: past or present tense
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2017, 03:53:04 pm »
Thanks jazzakkallah but just this last bit and i will leave it what do you mean by this sorry ( or writings about people that were authentic, that detailed the destruction of certain people and their places) do you mean something like the bible or written documents about theses empires by other people at the time etc