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Re: Allah blesses women
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2012, 02:46:09 AM »
yes you are right.

But my opinion about this is that you should not focus so much on Muslim men, if you do not like them. Try to focus on better people. It is always hard to break from an abusive relationship, but you can find the courage to do so. There are many people outside who will enjoy being in your company and reward it better.

But the sad fact is that many women (Muslim or not) prefer to stay with "bad guys", complaining about them all the time, and ignore "nice guys" who will respect her, etc..Nice guys finish last.

So my opinion about these women is that they must either leave their man or shut up.

Can you travel? If you are free to go to Sweden, or a more feminist-oriented country, you should do so.

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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2012, 05:58:08 AM »
I didn't start this thread to discuss bad relationships. I was just pointing out that allah blesses women. Is that too hard to swallow?

And, no! Women should never shut up. Freedom is in speech. Feminism isn't such a bad thing. Who will fight for us if we don't? Muslim women are far too subservient and submissive. When will muslim women have their "arab spring"? The first step is knowing that you are not alone and allah will provide for, and protect you (woman).

A loveless marriage is not the answer to poverty. Women need education and opportunity. What bad will happen to a man if he just gives a woman a little bit of his flame to ignite her fire? Is it too much to ask muslims to encourage women to reach for the sky? How can you expect a woman to have faith in going to jennat when she cannot even dream of getting a little bit of happiness on earth? Men should teach women to fish--women who already know how, should teach women to fish.

Women have, and can do great things. Women must stop listening to people who say "you can't, you're a woman".

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2012, 11:57:42 AM »

Feminism isn't such a bad thing.

right, but it is not typical of masculinism.. ignoring the differences will get you into trouble, whatever belief you may stick to,whether Islam,Christianity etc.....


Muslim women are far too subservient and submissive..

submissive to God or to man?

that is exactly the game , non Muslim haters of Islam play.....   when the Muslim woman holds the Islamic teaching eg: wearing Hijab  etc .......   they weep for her for being obliged to do that !!!   



How can you expect a woman to have faith in going to jennat when she cannot even dream of getting a little bit of happiness on earth? Men should teach women to fish--women who already know how, should teach women to fish..

That is a word from a person who has no idea of what she is talking about ..... Muslim women not miserable as you claim,  eg: in Egypt she has the same chance of education the man has , she works and arrives high positions , in the building I'm living in ,there is 2 female doctors... a female administrator of engineering office , a  female lawyer ... one school I used to work in ,had more female teachers than males ,and the headmaster is a woman ....  we have female ministers as well ,one of them "minister of scientific research and technology"........ If there was oppression and unemployment ,then It was on all the poor population whether men or women...

the claim of womens' oppression is as stupid as the stupid claim of oppressing the christian minorities who had the same opportunities the Muslims had in freedom of religion, education,work ,holding high positions including ministers....  , they are from 5% to 10% or less percent of the population ,yet they have more than 60% of the country wealth ....  some of them are still weeping for the christian west for oppression...  nasty and hateful folk ,indeed.


Holy Quran  2:120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.



Women have, and can do great things. Women must stop listening to people who say "you can't, you're a woman".

Agreed...
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2012, 03:05:01 PM »
I essentially agree with you that women can do great things if they find more self-confidence.

However, it can be counter-productive to tie this agenda to other things. Just push for your agenda, do not the agenda of others (especially religious agendas).

Your way to communicate with men can certainly be improved, but you have a lot of energy. good luck.

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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2012, 11:24:12 PM »
Muslim women are too submissive to men--not submissive enough to allah. You know that a woman must first get her husband's permission to pray at home?

Muslim men are hard-wired in their thinking. They have been brought up to believe that they are superior to women. The man is always right. The man is the protector.

"The man will provide for you. Get a husband."

 "Don't go into the corporate world--it's the West trying to corrupt us. The woman's place is in the kitchen."

 "Muslim homes are so inhygienic and rat-infested these days because the wives are out working."

 "If your husband refuses to work, don't get a job, just stand in a queue to receive food parcels."

 "We can't help you find a job, but we'll nikka you up with a muslim foreigner."

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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2012, 05:11:18 AM »
Hello All,

Islam is the ultimate freedom for women. Islam is the only religion that preserved and fought for the dignity of women. And by I slam I mean the religion of all prophets from Adam to Mohammad and the return of Jesus, peace and blessings of God be upon them all.

“He (The Lord) has legislated for you (All mankind) of religion which He commended upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and that which We commended upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying: Establish the religion and do not be divided in it. Greatly hard for those who associate others with God is that which you call them to. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns to Him (in repentance and in obedience)."                       

  [Quran:The Consultation 42:13]

To explain this I will invade my personal life to make it closer to your minds:

Why More than one wife:

After 2 years of my mother being sick and bed bound my father , encouraged by my mother, got married again. His new wife was and still is like a sister to all of us, helping us in the house, taking care of my mother when there is an opportunity for her, giving us advice. She was the one who gave me genuine advice before I got married, since my mother’s speech and comprehension were affected as well. I am happy that my father has a second wife who we are all proud of and not a prostitute.

Why I would like my husband to get married with another lady?

For so many reasons but primarily because I have a disabled son, and I don’t have the patience nor the tolerance to raise other kids, and I want more brothers and sisters for my son so that after I am and his father are gone, he will find support from real family. Western Research Finding: the one who take cares of you when you get old, is not your friend, not your neighbor, not your cousin, it’s your brother.

Other benefits:

•I will have more time to take care of myself since the cooking and other chores will decrease.
•If ,God forbid, I got sick seriously, she can fill the gap while my husband has his work to be occupied with.
•If, God forbid, I died, she will be the best one to take care of my kids because she already knows them. My real sisters from birth are really great but at the end of the day every one of them has her own family to take care of.

Why I would not suggest having another wife for my husband? Simply because we can’t afford it right now. And it is illegal in a western country to do that while they allow and encourage their daughters and sisters to advertise for prostitution in the news papers.

Men have more inheritance:
Well , if God forbid,  my husband died, it will be the responsibility of the relative men of the family to take care of me and my children financially not the women even if I chose to work.

Head covers and loose clothes:

It is the ultimate freedom. Showing our bodies for strange men to enjoy or critic is the oppression. Islam gives us the highest respect.

Work:
I have been working for more than 15 years and the day I stopped is the day where I found freedom, no need to explain, you should know what I mean. Well nowadays I find some men who can’t wait to retire or quit their jobs to enjoy life and do what they really love to do.

These are just very few things about women and Islam. Please I am not used to hearing offensive language and for my dear Christian readers I remind you of a verse in your Holy Bible. 

Mathew 5:22 " But I say to you that whosoever is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."[The Holy Bible, Mathew 5: 22]

Thank you

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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2012, 06:38:31 AM »
Oh, so second wives are actually glorified maids? Wonderful. I know, people can't afford maids these days. And if your husband got disabled, or couldn't cope working, or couldn't have more kids, would you consider a second husband to make things easier for him? I'm sure, you'd really be turned on, hearing the moans  and screams of pleasure from the woman being throbbed and licked and made love to by your husband, in the other room, trying to make brothers and sisters for your son. How nice! You'd be living in jenna already. Or are you going to tell your husband to find an unexpressive, dull wife who just looks at the ceiling till it's over, for your sake? Would you and your co-wife take turns in washing each other's dirty sheets?

If i hurt you, daughter of islam, by my comment, you're welcome, it was my pleasure. :)

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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2012, 07:01:04 AM »
If i hurt you, daughter of islam, by my comment, you're welcome, it was my pleasure. :)

I remember you saying: "Im Muslim". Seriously, you are just a hypocrite, why even bother spending wasting your time here?
Abu Shuraih Al-'Adawf said:
"My eyes saw the Messenger of Allah, and my ears heard him speaking when he was speaking and he said: ...And whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, then let him say what is good or keep silent." (Sahih) Jami` at-Tirmidhi Vol. 4, Book 1, Hadith 1967


Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 759:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:

The Prophet never used bad language neither a "Fahish nor a Mutafahish. He used to say "The best amongst you are those who have the best manners and character."



Narrated Abu Dhar:
That he heard the Prophet saying, "If somebody accuses another of Fusuq (by calling him 'Fasiq' i.e. a wicked person) or accuses him of Kufr, such an accusation will revert to him (i.e. the accuser) if his companion (the accused) is innocent." (Bukhari Vol. 8, Book 73, Hadith 71)

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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2012, 12:37:22 PM »
"You know that a woman must first get her husband's permission to pray at home?"
Really? Even if she does need so, what is the problem with that? Asking her husband for permission is showing the husband that the wife is loyal, true and honest to him. It makes the husband feel appreciated, hence, the family will be more bonded.

"Muslim men are hard-wired in their thinking. They have been brought up to believe that they are superior to women. The man is always right. The man is the protector."
How about you? Hard-wired to think that the muslimah are oppressed?
Who says that man are always right?
Man ARE the protector of women. It is their job.
You think you women can defend for yourselves?
Walk in the street alone at night. Test it. Many women got raped for doing that. Why don't you try it?


"The man will provide for you. Get a husband."

What is wrong with that? Men are suppose to provide for their women.

"Don't go into the corporate world--it's the West trying to corrupt us. The woman's place is in the kitchen."
I disagree. Heard of Nabi Muhammad's s.a.w wife, Siti Khadijah(ra)?

 "Muslim homes are so inhygienic and rat-infested these days because the wives are out working."

These is somewhat true but the blame is on the whole family. Not just the wives.

 "If your husband refuses to work, don't get a job, just stand in a queue to receive food parcels."

I've never heard of this anywhere from my ustadz, nor the Qur'an which I have completed reading, nor the hadith.

"We can't help you find a job, but we'll nikka you up with a muslim foreigner."
Why should a women even get her job when she can enjoy her time with her kids/family, her neighbours, etc?

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You know, Islam was never a religion of debate.

It simply is about truth.

Once you know truth, you are saved. Simple as that. But you wanted to be rebellious.

"Truth is simple. Mankind makes it complicated"~Unknown Author

To debate with someone whom only have hatred in her heart, someone who is dishonest, is really a waste of time. Such immature acts. Do you know where you are going to end up? The hellfire. My advise for you is to repent. Save yourself. Don't be a trial to the believers. Read Surah Al-Buruj verse 10.

Nevermind that. I will put it here:

"Those who persecute (or draw into temptation) the Believers, men and women and do not turn in repentance, will have the Penalty of Hell: they will have the Penalty of the Burning Fire."

Even if you are a christian/catholic, you are not. You are probably an atheist/agnost. If you are a christian/catholic, then where is your loving thy enemy? What happened to the teachings of Jesus?

Really, once again, save yourself from the Hellfire if you even love yourself at the very least.

What Allah have chosen for you, you can't argue.

What is really your problem with Islam?

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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2012, 12:53:55 PM »

Oh, so second wives are actually glorified maids?

No, of course not. No body said that. My step mother is always visiting as a guest and a close family member , she has her own house, a different neighbourhood. she never helped us with the care of our mother, it's not her duty, we have a maid for the house and my sister and brother take care of her afairs.

As for my hypothetical second wife ,I won't even allow her to use my kitchen, she would have her own house and her own neighbours. It's just like mutual benefit. A lady who needs a house and a husband and would like to have kids.

You choose to be blind, look around you. Are western women living an easy life?
or Shall I mention the wonderful verses in the bible that clearly degrades women? Just googlize "The dark side of the bible and women" and you will find wonders. Would God say such a thing against women? that is another proof that this bible has been changed according to your men's agenda at those times.

Regards,
 

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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2012, 07:17:02 AM »


“And whoever turns away from My remembrance - indeed, he will have a depressed life, and We will gather him on the Day of Resurrection blind. He will say: O my Lord! Why have you raised me up blind, while I had sight (before)? He will say: Thus did Our signs come to you, and you forgot them; and thus will you this Day be forgotten.”   

[The Holy Quran: Ta-Ha 20:124-126]

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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2012, 12:57:33 PM »
Muslims are depraved. Christians, jews, muslims clearly pray to different gods--imaginary. The qur'an is nothing but propaganda. I'm no longer muslim, thanx to you muslims. I hate islam.

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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2012, 01:27:00 PM »
Muslims are depraved. Christians, jews, muslims clearly pray to different gods--imaginary. The qur'an is nothing but propaganda. I'm no longer muslim, thanx to you muslims. I hate islam.



Thank you ,and we hate you too ,you nothing more than a psychopathic pervert ,who addicted to offense and vulgar life ,and a mean hypocrite....destined (if not repent)  to have the worst punishment ever, being in the lowest depth of hellfire   

Holy Quran 4:154 Surely the hypocrites will be in the lowest depth of hellfire; and you will not find any helper for them.

most of the following traits of hypocrisy fits perfectly on you:

* Traits: Deception and Mendacity

“They (think to) deceive Allâh and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves, and perceive (it) not!” al-Baqarah 2:9


* Traits: Mocking the believers

“And when they meet those who believe, they say: “We believe,” but when they are alone with their Shayâtin (devils – polytheists, hypocrites, etc.), they say: “Truly, we are with you; verily, we were but mocking.” Al-Baqarah 2:14


* Traits: Causing Corruption and Mischief upon the earth

“And when it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: ‘We are only peacemakers.’ Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.” Al-Baqarah 2:11,12

* Trait: Inspiring one another with evil words

“And so We have appointed for every Prophet enemies – Shayâtin (devils) among mankind and jinns, inspiring one another with adorned speech as a delusion (or by way of deception). If your Lord had so willed, they would not have done it, so leave them alone with their fabrications.” Al-An‘âm 6:112



* Traits: They lay in wait to chastise and defame the believers

“Those (hyprocrites) who wait and watch about you; if you gain a victory from Allâh, they say: “Were we not with you,” but if the disbelievers gain a success, they say (to them): “Did we not gain mastery over you and did we not protect you from the believers?” Allâh will judge between you (all) on the Day of Resurrection. And never will Allâh grant to the disbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers.” An-Nisâ 4:141

* Trait: Rejection of the Hukm (rulings) of Allah and His Prophet.

“And when it is said to them: “Come to what Allâh has sent down and to the Messenger (Muhammad SAW),” you (Muhammad SAW) see the hypocrites turn away from you (Muhammad SAW) with aversion.” An-Nisâ 4:61

* Traits: Seeking to rationalize and explain their sinful deeds when they are confronted with the evilness of their actions. They seek to conceal their evil intentions by swearing that their sinful deeds were unintentional.



“How then, when a catastrophe befalls them because of what their hands have sent forth, they come to you swearing by Allâh, “We meant no more than goodwill and conciliation!” an-Nisâ 4:62


“They have made their oaths a screen (for their evil actions). Thus they hinder (men) from the Path of Allâh, so they shall have a humiliating torment.” Al-Mujadilah 58:16

* Traits: Focusing on the visible ornaments and beautifications. They are eloquent speakers who do not act upon their many words. They weave mirages of sensibility and grandeur.

“And when you look at them, their bodies please you; and when they speak, you listen to their words. They are as blocks of wood propped up. They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies, so beware of them. May Allâh curse them! How are they denying (or deviating from) the Right Path.” Al-Munafiqûn 63:4

* Trait: They rejoice at the misfortune and sadness of the believers.

“If good befalls you (O Muhammad SAW), it grieves them, but if a calamity overtakes you, they say: “We took our precaution beforehand,” and they turn away rejoicing.” At-Taubah 9:50

* Trait: Seeking to please humanity at the expense of displeasing Allah.

“They (the hypocrites) swear to you (Muslims) that you may be pleased with them, but if you are pleased with them, certainly Allâh is not pleased with the people who are Al-Fâsiqûn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâh).” At-Taubah 9:96


 Antiaparteid , I thought you had felt ashamed of yourself after I exposed your hypocrisy from the beginning , and quit from the thread ,but it seems you don't know the meaning of the word "self respect" ...none of us will ever show an atom of respect for the hypocrites from your kind... 

Brother Osama ,the open-minded man , was very tolerant with you ,but those of your kind never appreciate the tolerance ,thinking that tolerance means weakness ....  but every tolerance has a limit .. It is time for you Atiparteid , to be ashamed of yourself and get lost ... before Brother Osama makes the well deserved ban on you.
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2012, 02:11:16 PM »
Muslims are depraved. Christians, jews, muslims clearly pray to different gods--imaginary. The qur'an is nothing but propaganda. I'm no longer muslim, thanx to you muslims. I hate islam.
You never were a Muslim. Sorry.
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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2012, 03:14:27 AM »
Why do women do salat behind men? It's simple. Men pray to allah; women pray to men. That is why i cannot call myself muslim, anymore.

A woman doesn't have to ask her husband for permission to cook or clean for him; but she has to ask his permission to pray. Cooking and cleaning is the woman's duty; praying to his allah is a privilage. That is why I am no longer muslim.

The man submits to allah; while the woman submits to the man. The man obeys allah; while the woman obeys the man. The man is blessed by allah; while the woman is blessed by the man. That is why i am not a muslim.

I'd need a sex-change to be truly muslim. That is why i hate islam.

I am a hypocrit because i do not submit to men. I am a hypocrit because i believed that allah could possibly bless women. I am a hypocrit because i thought there was mercy and hope for women. I am a hypocrit because i thought that women could be independent. I am a woman because i do not believe in adam and eve plus aisha plus this woman and that woman. I am a hypocrit because i don't always agree with men. I am a hypocrit because i am not a bible basher. I am a hypocrit because i love my neighbors as i love myself. I am a hypocrit because i don't search for the bad in other religions. I am a hypocrit because i believe i am strong. I am a hypocrit because i have morals. I am a hypocrit because i believe men and women are equal. I am a hypocrit because i don't believe that men are always right. I am a hypocrit because i think about the well-being of children.

The God, Almighty in whom I believe is neither male nor female. My God loves every one of his creations. My God is there for anyone who reaches out to him. My God blesses everyone, male and female, black and white, big and small, young and old, rich and poor, healthy and sickly, big and small, learned and unlettered, those with big faith and those with only little faith. My God is the same to everyone........................ But, allah is very different. Allah only loves men. Allah hates women; and only tolerates them with the man's permission. Allah is a puppet who's master is the man. Allah is the man's ego. Men worship their egos aka allah. The christians worship the flesh; while the muslims (males) worship the male ego. The muslim women also worship the flesh--their muslim males.