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Offline Mohamed Saif

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Gospel of Barnabas
« on: February 13, 2017, 11:43:37 AM »
Assalamun Alaikum

I was recently doing some research on the Gospel of Barnabas. Most of the sources online say that it is a 16th century fraud done by some random Muslim.  Is this true or can somebody in this forum refute this?

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Mohamed Saif

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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2017, 12:58:11 PM »
No it isnt,since the Gospel of Barnabas was carbon dated,and text dated back to 1500 years ago,before the Prophet,and the language in it is not arabic therefore,it isnt false but a  very very authentic scripture of the ebionites,The christians do anything to protect their faith so yeaah..

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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2017, 06:47:23 PM »
Asalam ul laykum brothers, the discovery was of 16th century or so. However, the work os translated to italian then translated to engliah, arabic and urdu, far as i know. The people qho reject this doscovery try to use many techniques to disprove it's legitmacy, i admit some of the issue to sound as though that do not correspond with quran. However when looked at with "microscopic lens" you can see it very well corresponds with the quran.

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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2017, 01:51:37 AM »
Assalamun Alaikum

Do you have any article that proves it is 1500 years old? If so could you please provide the links.

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Mohamed Saif


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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2017, 01:21:42 PM »
Asalam ul laykum brothers. If anyone wants to read the Gospel of Barnabas, it is available here: http://barnabas.net/

Also refer to my other thread in regards to the answering-islam team's so called "contradictions between quran and gospel of barnabas" argument. I found a webpage where a brother named Adeel, refuted the answering-islam team's claims.

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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2017, 03:55:06 PM »
i have read Gospel of Barnbas twice, i think this is not forgery even though i could see some mistakes, and these mistakes tell me this is not forgery beacuse muslims would not write like that, muhammed is messiah and jesus is not messiah etc

And even if it was forgery still it is more far far more logical text than this bible which christians have today.

what i like is jesus khutbas in this gospel, about death, paradise, judgment day hell, very intresting stuff.

Offline Idris

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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2017, 04:37:53 PM »
As-Salam aleikum wa rahmatullahi  wa baraketuh,

to be honest, the Gospel of Barnabas is incorrect when it comes to 2nd temple customs and geography. Although the Latin text could be a revision of some older document, possibly of that one mentioned in Decretum Gelasianum (ca. 492-96 A.D.) were it is putted amongst prohibited books. What makes the Gospel of Barnabas also problematic – this time comparing it to the Quran - is the statement of Jesus (pbuh) in which he denies to be the Messiah! I’m afraid that the argument of brother Adeel that "Other Prophets have also been called by this title" is weak from my perspective. If Jesus (pbuh) would have said: “I’am not THAT Messiah of whom you are looking for” it would be quite understandable, since by this he clearly suggests that there is some another Messiah apart of him who has not been send yet. However, according to the Gospel of Barnabas, Jesus (pbuh) totally denied being EVEN the Messiah, which contradicts the Quran. Is there anyone besides Jesus (pbuh) in Islam's teaching who is recognized as the Messiah or anointed ??

No doubt, the Gospel of Barnabas contains many truths, e.g. that Jesus (pbuh) is only a human and servant of God, that he prophesied Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) etc. It is interesting that the Church of Rome has officially rejected this Gospel before the appearance of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh). Since Constantine chose to make Jesus (pbuh) as a final Saviour to all of humanity - a decision of Nicene Council in 325 A.D. - it would automatically mean that they were obliged to erase every passage – or destroy every Gospel - which predicts another prophet after Jesus (pbuh) ! It is worthy to notice here that Codex Sinaiticus - i.e. the oldest complete Bible which contains Old and New Testament – comes from 380 A.D., thus after the Council of Nicaea. In other words, we do not have any complete Gospel from the Pre-Nicene Church, and this is caused perhaps partly by the mass burning campaign of Christian books initiated through the orders of Roman Emperors like Severus, Decius, and Valerian.

It cannot be said that the Gospel of Barnabas which we have today is wholly authentic, since it contains some serious misconceptions, but it cannot be said also that it is entirely a forgery, since it tells many things which the Quran confirms, and Allah knows best !

If you are interested in this topic I can recommend you the following positions by Omar Zaid and Ibn Yasin:

Link: https://zaidpub.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/forgotten-saint-final-revision-dec-cover-2010.pdf
Link: https://archive.org/details/TheAuthenticityOfTheGospelOfBarnabasIbnYasinGoogleBooks
Link to Google preview: https://books.google.pl/books?id=t5rH2RwYSpIC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=The+Authenticity+of+the+Gospel+of+Barnabas+Ibn+Yasin&source=bl&ots=WUYhodkcIJ&sig=_XWJiiVHDmC-yyXWwJ3swrQdpTc&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEwNO_kZPSAhVB1RQKHXqBCtsQ6AEISDAG#v=onepage&q=The%20Authenticity%20of%20the%20Gospel%20of%20Barnabas%20Ibn%20Yasin&f=false

Take care, and salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)

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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2017, 02:42:30 AM »
I think it is somewhat hagiographical....

Offline Dawud

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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2017, 05:19:00 AM »
i Think i have best explanation when it comes to gospel of barnbas.

First, gospel of barnbas is not a book of God, it is barnabas memories written down in a book. So if a person write stuff from the memory, of course he will make mistakes, so those mistakes in barnabas gospel is proof that it is not forgery but actually proof that it is not forgery, beacuse if someone claim it was muslims who wrote it, then muslims cant lie, that is terrible sin, second if they wanted to match with islam they would not do such obvious errors.

So errors could arrive when person try to remember what he experienced long ago, and then start to write, and it is in human nature to make errors.

221: Jesus Chargeth Barnabas to Write

Jesus turned himself to him who writes, and said: "Barnabas, see that by all means you write my gospel concerning all that has happened through my dwelling in the world. And write in a similar manner that which has befallen Judas, in order that the faithful may be undeceived, and every one may believe the truth." Then answered he who writes: "I will do so, if God wills, O Master; but I do not know what happened to Judas, for I did not see it."

Jesus answered: "Here are John and Peter who saw everything, and they will tell you all that has passed." And then Jesus commanded us to call his faithful disciples [so] that they might see him. So James and John called together the seven disciples with Nicodemus and Joseph, and many others of the seventy-two, and they ate with Jesus.

The third day Jesus said: "Go to the Mount of Olives with my mother, for there I will ascend again to heaven, and you will see who shall bear me up." So they all went there except twenty-five of the seventy-two disciples, who for fear had fled to Damascus. And as they all stood in prayer, at midday Jesus came with a great multitude of angels who were praising God: and the splendour of his face made them greatly afraid and they fell with their faces to the ground. But Jesus lifted them up, comforting them, and saying: "Do not be afraid, I am your master."

And he reproved many who believed that he had died and risen again, saying: "Do you hold me and God for liars? I said to you that God has granted to me to live almost to the end of the world. Truly I say to you, I did not die; it was Judas the traitor. Beware, for Satan will make every effort to deceive you. Be my witnesses in Israel, and throughout the world, of all things that you have heard and seen."

And having said this, he prayed God for the salvation of the faithful, and the conversion of sinners and [then], his prayer ended, he embraced his mother, saying: "Peace be to you, my mother. Rest in God who created you and me." And having said this, he turned to his disciples, saying: "May God's grace and mercy be with you." Then before their eyes the four angels carried him up into heaven.
 


so barnbas wrote this book according to his memories and what other discples told him and remember to have happened.

and we all know, people can't remember Everything, that is why errors could have emergaed in this bible.

For me, at first errors proves this is not forgery, beacuse no muslim would ever say muhammed is messiah and jesus not messiah, or other stuff which contradict qur'an.

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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2017, 08:28:34 AM »
As-Salam aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

You’re right brother Dawud, and I did noticed now that I wrongly expressed my self when I’ve said in my above post: „…but it cannot be said also that is entirely a forgery”. Of course, I also believe that the Gospel of Barnabas is not a forgery, Muslims could not wrote it, since it contains some contradictions, and Muslims would not contradict the Quran. If Barnabas quote it from his memory, then it is possible that he could have make some errors, it is natural.

This Gospel has intrigued me since I've discovered some very interesting parallel allusion to the text of Isaiah, and I think it can resolves some puzzled passages relating to the old testament prophecies! The Gospel of Barnabas should be systematically studied especially by Muslims.

Take care, and salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)

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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2017, 09:21:51 AM »
As-Salam aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

You’re right brother Dawud, and I did noticed now that I wrongly expressed my self when I’ve said in my above post: „…but it cannot be said also that is entirely a forgery”. Of course, I also believe that the Gospel of Barnabas is not a forgery, Muslims could not wrote it, since it contains some contradictions, and Muslims would not contradict the Quran. If Barnabas quote it from his memory, then it is possible that he could have make some errors, it is natural.

This Gospel has intrigued me since I've discovered some very interesting parallel allusion to the text of Isaiah, and I think it can resolves some puzzled passages relating to the old testament prophecies! The Gospel of Barnabas should be systematically studied especially by Muslims.

Take care, and salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)

me to, that was really good book, you get answers to many questions, specially how crusifiction occured.

even if it was forgery it would still be more logical than bible which they have today.

as i said, i dont Think muslims made these errors, beacuse muslims would not lie on prophet jesus like that nor would we contradict quran like it.
those errors are human mistakes beacuse of bad memory of barnabas and those who helped him to write it.

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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2017, 01:37:30 PM »
Asalam ul laykum brothers. Brother dawud as u mentioned some contridictions, i mentioned in a different theead with answers to the supposed contridictions in bible of barnabas.

Brother Dawud i used to think these were contridictions to, but the article i posted at thread which link i posted below, shows that bible of barnabas doesn't have contridictions in regards to think that it mentions that compare with quran.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2521.msg11572.html#msg11572

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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2017, 01:47:57 PM »
Asalam ul laykum brothers. Brother dawud as u mentioned some contridictions, i mentioned in a different theead with answers to the supposed contridictions in bible of barnabas.

Brother Dawud i used to think these were contridictions to, but the article i posted at thread which link i posted below, shows that bible of barnabas doesn't have contridictions in regards to think that it mentions that compare with quran.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2521.msg11572.html#msg11572

for me these errors in gosepl of barnabas are proof that it is not forgery but real gosepl of barnabas, beacuse no muslim would lie and claim something against Qur'an.

But beacuse barnabas started to write gospel when jesus should depart the earth, these errors are product of human mistakes, and people cant remember everything, and gospel of barnabas is not book of God that there should not be errors in it, it is human book about event which occured during those days.
And not only that barnabad could write everyhing he even said he dont know everything, so jesus said to him other discples should help him in writing some parts.


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Re: Gospel of Barnabas
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2017, 05:52:14 PM »
Asalam ul laykum brother dawud. Absolutely true. The work was not done by me, it was done some brother named Adeel. I do agree, that no muslim would lie about such a serious claim. When i read his work it did make alot of sense and did look like that he refutted what answering islam claimed.