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Offline Antiaparteid

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The Book
« on: September 18, 2012, 01:32:01 AM »
<quote> [HOLY QUR'AN 3:7] He [Allah] it is Who sent down to thee the book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established, clear meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: <quote/>


So, why is there a need for Islamic scholars? Why is there a need for narrators of the Ahadith to make the Qur'an clear? Maybe this is the reason:

<quote> others are not entirely clear. But those in whose hearts are perversity follow the parts thereof that is not clear, seeking discord, and searching for hidden meanings, <quote/>

The truth is:

<quote> but no one knows its interpretation except Allah.<quote/>

Offline Egyptian

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Re: The Book
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2012, 10:34:58 AM »


so what is your point?

Offline Abd-Al-Rahman

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Re: The Book
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2012, 02:12:22 PM »
 ;D I was exactly going to post the exact same thing when I first saw this thread yesterday, but simply refrained, considering most of the 17 threads Anti has started since she first began posting here haven't had much of a point really.

I like though how she (assuming she really is a "she") seems to just be switching from Christian, to Muslim, to Atheist, etc, in all of her posts. You can't really pinpoint what her true intentions are since it's all so random. I won't need to recapitulate all her posts, but people can just go get a quick read of them to confirm this.

Anyways, at least it's all still good for a laugh here and there.

Nice :)

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Re: The Book
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2012, 05:06:44 PM »

Holy Qur'an 6:71 Say: "Shall we indeed call on others besides Allah,- things that can do us neither good nor harm,- and turn on our heels after receiving guidance from Allah? - like one whom the evil ones have made into a fool, wandering bewildered through the earth, his friends calling, come to us', (vainly) guiding him to the path." Say: "Allah's guidance is the (only) guidance, and we have been directed to submit ourselves to the Lord of the worlds

Holy Qur'an 4:142 The Hypocrites - they think they are over-reaching Allah, but He will over-reach them: When they stand up to prayer, they stand without earnestness, to be seen of men, but little do they hold Allah in remembrance They are distracted in mind even in the midst of it,- being (sincerely) for neither one group nor for another whom Allah leaves straying,- never wilt thou find for him the way.
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Offline Antiaparteid

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Re: The Book
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 11:48:40 PM »
Those qur'anic verses describe you so well. I'm so glad you've done some introspection.

Offline Egyptian

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Re: The Book
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2012, 04:42:28 AM »
 

Antiaparteid ..I really meant it when i asked you what is your point ,quoting the noble verse 3:7 ?....   was it wondering,objection ? or merely you tried to explain it?


Have a good day...

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Re: The Book
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2012, 01:10:28 AM »
Islamic scholars, and even christians and atheists, have perversity in their hearts. They search for hidden meanings in the qur'an to cause confusion.

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Re: The Book
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2012, 12:27:49 PM »
Islamic scholars, and even christians and atheists, have perversity in their hearts. They search for hidden meanings in the qur'an to cause confusion.

I think your statement needs modifiers:


1- wrong to say "Islam scholars" search for hidden meanings to cause confusion ...  a true scholar knows the rule of "how to understand a text" ..... he knows that the literal meaning is the priority ,and the metaphorical has so strict conditions.....
the only Muslim people who seem that violated such rules are the Sufi sect ... I read their interpretations of the Quran ,and they indeed passed the limit with their far fetched,baseless quranic exegesis. still they are a minority ,that won't represent the orthodox Islamic beliefs.


2-  Again wrong to say,that Christians and atheists search for hidden meanings,in the Quran to attack Islam ....
attacking the text could be through the literal meaning itself , eg; Dhu'l Qarnayn saw the sun setting in muddy spring in Qur'an 18:86 .... though the possibility of metaphorical meaning to the verse,still the critics stick to the literal meaning ,that satisfy their reading with a preconceived idea that the Quran is not the word of God.

3- there are two points in the verse that could be understood alternatively:

A- The word " mutashabehat" is translated as hidden "none knows or will know its meaning except God"  or allegorical  "those who are versed in knowledge would know its meaning"..... 
 
B-   the following part of the verse    Yet only God knows its interpretation; those who are versed in knowledge say: "We believe in it; it all comes from our Lord!"

raises a question ; is there a pause between "God knows its interpretation" and   "those who are versed in knowledge " ?

if there is a pause ,then there are some verses in the Quran none will ever know its meaning till day of judgment.
that doesn't mean scholars can't suggest a meaning ,but just whatever they would suggest won't be the true intended meaning.
if there is not a pause ,then God and those who are versed in knowledge know the meaning .....
whatever meaning ,still those verses ,not mother of the book ,and they are not establishing the basic tenets of Islam, they are merely referring to unseen things ,that will be be seen the day of judgment ,inshallah.



Have a good day.
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Offline RamziBinNabil

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Re: The Book
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2012, 07:46:31 AM »
Antiaparteid, verse 43 of chapter 16: "So ask the people of the message if you do not know."