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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2017, 02:52:30 AM »
It's still referring to Semitic races,it isn't referring to the ancestors of the Roman or Non Semitic sahabis,it is Quran,revealed by Allah,the Noah's ark is only referring to the semites,If a Sahabi was non Semetic why does that matter? The new Message by God,Islam is for all mankind,but the message of Noah was not to all of Mankind,but his own people,so there's your answer.

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2017, 03:02:35 AM »
When the Quran says "You" it refers to The people in the Ark,the Quran speaks from different perspectives since Allah had made it that way Nuh a.s and his people got this message from the Quran so it is to them,not us,

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2017, 06:34:30 AM »
Thanks jazzakkallah my point for the non semitic person was

Imagine that your speaking to a group of people of 20 people but 1 of them was a non semitic person but you say to them that you are from the ancestors of the ark that non semitic person would think he came from the ark as well but you are meaning the semitic races but that non semitic person would think he came from the ark that's my point what I meant because the verses 36:41 and 69:11-12 sounds like all to them and if there was a companion who was non semitic he would think he came from them what would make it sound like all of us like 69:12 says a reminder to all so again it makes it sound like all like 36:40 says a sign for all so again sounds for all of us because they use saying 36:39 is talking to all of us about the solar system

But I see what you mean thanks but this is what I meant sorry for reapting myself

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2017, 07:30:31 AM »
Because the you in 69:11 sounds more like you meaning your ancestors you people not the you too noah or his people on the ark peace be upon him jazzakkallah

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2017, 03:11:32 AM »

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2017, 03:36:55 AM »
And on Your ancestors in 69:11,Again the You is refering to Noah's people,In Surah Haqqah. Even if it is ancestors so what? Everyone's ancestry came from the middle eastern region,even Whites!,since the time Noah existed,almost all of civilization was in Middle East.

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2017, 08:06:30 AM »
Ok thanks jazzakkallah last qustion so is it only the semitic races or most of middle east and Egypt or everyone who comes from the ark

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2017, 08:07:59 AM »
And so what does 69:12 mean to you thanks jazzakallah

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2017, 08:47:13 AM »
It is referring to Semitic races,Arabia,Assyria,etc,etc these were Semitic races.

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2017, 08:49:12 AM »
And on 69:12 tafsir Ibn Kathir explains it well

(and that it might be retained by the retaining ears.) (69:12) means, "An ear that hears it and retains it, meaning the person who has sound hearing, and correct intellect.'' And this is general concerning everyone who understands and retains.

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2017, 10:25:23 AM »
say if there were chinese ethnicity tribes in Arabia whom became People of the Book by believing in the Day of Resurrection , they should be able to relate to themselves the message when they listen to verses that spoke about past events where ancestors of the semitic tribes being punished for rejecting the Messengers.

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2017, 11:23:45 AM »
Ok thanks jazzakallah also non related does these verses prove there was a large gap between thamud and Abraham peace be upon him the verses are 25:38 23:44 and 14:9

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2017, 03:32:18 PM »
Also going back to what you said so when you say if there were Chinese example they would know they were not descents of the ark but would just learn what those verses meant to the semitic people and take example from them learn from the verses if morals and examples is that what you meant jazzakallah


Also the trouble with in Katherine he be believes from those verses that we all come from the ark but off course he is wrong on that isn't he jazzakallah

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2017, 07:05:58 AM »
the verses do not describe the specific period gap of the tribes. Hence  interpreters used  Israelites tradition as reference.

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as one reads from 69:1 to 69:11, it spoke about how  the semitic tribes were punished and their semitic ancestors were brought thru the ship.

however, if the ones who are raised with Israelites tradition read those verses, as they reach verse 69:11 it shall be interpreted as global flood and all mankind descend from the ship.

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Re: 36:41 noah and flood
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2017, 08:46:14 AM »
Thanks so conclusion these verses are talking about the semitic races not all mankind jazzakallah is that correct