Author Topic: Ali Sina's book needs refutation  (Read 9972 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.


Offline muslimforever2012

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2017, 03:33:43 am »
Thank you! I'm currently working on a book refuting Ali Sina and his challenge. I will inform you when it is finished.

Offline Albarra

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2017, 06:26:39 am »
Thank you! I'm currently working on a book refuting Ali Sina and his challenge. I will inform you when it is finished.

Excellent!
And don't forget to check my post. I provided several evidence that rape is strictly forbidden.

Peace,
Albarra




Offline Syedsamad

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2017, 06:32:19 am »
Thank you! I'm currently working on a book refuting Ali Sina and his challenge. I will inform you when it is finished.
Great just try to make it fully detailed :)

Offline muslimforever2012

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2017, 03:18:44 am »
OK, I refuted narcissism easily, but I'm facing a problem with misogyny. The book quoted Bukhari 9.88.219,''When Muhammad heard the news that Persians had made the daughter of
Khosrau their Queen, he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman
their ruler."  and it also said, ''Muhammad said women are deficient in intelligence and their testimony should
not be trusted because their brain does not work properly (they forget). The Quran
4:34 makes women eternally subservient to men and says Allah has made men excel
over women, and women should be obedient to men. The Quran 2:228 says that
women have some rights but men have a degree of advantage over them.

Offline Albarra

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2017, 11:23:44 am »
An examining of 4:34 in the Quran, please visit:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2017/02/03/a-historical-analysis-of-the-beat-verse-quran-434/


Regarding to deficient in women's intelligence, please visit:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2009/06/why-hadith-says-that-women-are.html

http://islamiat101.blogspot.com/2012/10/are-woman-deficient-in-intelligence-and.html

and
http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/Rebuttal_to_Wiki_Islam_on___Are_Women_Deficient_in_Intelligence__.htm


If women are deficient, then why Muhammad (SAWS) urged women to be educated?



Scientific fact: Generally, women are less intelligent than men. For instance, men can handle chemical engineering and advanced math for software and hardware. In fact, all U.S. Presidents are male. All Russian Presidents are male. All French Presidents are male etc etc.

Here is the link for top 25 highest paying occupations by gender shares of employment.
https://www.dol.gov/wb/stats/25highest_paying_occs_gen_share_emp_2014_txt.htm
 

25 lowest paying occupations by gender shares of employment.
https://www.dol.gov/wb/stats/25Lowest_paying_occs_women_gender_share_emp_2014_txt.htm



Hope this helps

Peace,
Albarra


Offline muslimforever2012

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2017, 04:58:06 am »
OK. So I tried to make the book in AbiWord but it didn't look good. So I am making the book in Google Docs. I just wanted to show you the preview of the book to see if it is good.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=16PjRRInxzJuWWxkHHqqfTWZ7sW6wDTp2fGoDG0N6VEk.

Thanks.

Offline Syedsamad

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2017, 05:11:08 am »
Great, make sure you do refute some more of his childish claims other than his 10 allegations mentioned in his book

Offline muslimforever2012

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2017, 05:30:13 am »
Wait here's a better view for everyone else.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzWbzcKrUFb0b1lGRG96Vnpaa0U/view

Offline adilriaz123

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2017, 06:06:32 am »
Asalam ul laykum brothers and sisters, in regards to the claims of raping. i have not yet looked at the whatever reference that Ali Sina has provided. direct me to it, but anyways. THe only instance that I know of anti-islamists use against prophet muhammad pbuh is this:

It has been narrated on the authority of Salama (b. al-Akwa') who said: We fought against the Fazara and Abu Bakr was the commander over us. He had been appointed by the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). When we were only at an hour's distance from the water of the enemy, Abu Bakr ordered us to attack. We made a halt during the last part of the night to rest and then we attacked from all sides and reached their watering-place where a battle was fought. Some of the enemies were killed and some were taken prisoners. I saw a group of persons that consisted of women and children. I was afraid lest they should reach the mountain before me, so I shot an arrow between them and the mountain. When they saw the arrow, they stopped. So I brought them, driving them along. Among them was a woman from Banu Fazara. She was wearing a leather coat. With her was her daughter who was one of the prettiest girls in Arabia. I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) met me in the street and said: Give me that girl, O Salama. I said: Messenger of Allah, she has fascinated me. I had not yet disrobed her. When on the next day, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) again met me in the street, he said: O Salama, give me that girl, may God bless your father. I said: She is for you. Messenger of Allah ! By Allah. I have not yet disrobed her. (Sahih Muslim 4345)

above is an intentional and melacious referencing, due to the important fact, that it those who quote it, cut it short take a look:

It has been narrated on the authority of Salama (b. al-Akwa') who said: We fought against the Fazara and Abu Bakr was the commander over us. He had been appointed by the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). When we were only at an hour's distance from the water of the enemy, Abu Bakr ordered us to attack. We made a halt during the last part of the night to rest and then we attacked from all sides and reached their watering-place where a battle was fought. Some of the enemies were killed and some were taken prisoners. I saw a group of persons that consisted of women and children. I was afraid lest they should reach the mountain before me, so I shot an arrow between them and the mountain. When they saw the arrow, they stopped. So I brought them, driving them along. Among them was a woman from Banu Fazara. She was wearing a leather coat. With her was her daughter who was one of the prettiest girls in Arabia. I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) met me in the street and said: Give me that girl, O Salama. I said: Messenger of Allah, she has fascinated me. I had not yet disrobed her. When on the next day, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) again met me in the street, he said: O Salama, give me that girl, may God bless your father. I said: She is for you. Messenger of Allah ! By Allah. I have not yet disrobed her. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent her to the people of Mecca, and surrendered her as ransom for a number of Muslims who had been kept as prisoners at Mecca.


this far as i know is the only thing in regards to rape that anti-islamists claim, and it is debunked by the entire text.

jazakallah'

Offline muslimforever2012

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2017, 06:18:14 am »
Thanks adilriaz123. The reference of raping that Sina has used is that he claimed that the Muslims did not use coitus interuptus while having sex with the female prisoners of war and so he claimed that they commited ''forced insemination''. This was blamed on Muhammad because a Muslim asked about this and he replied,  'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is
predestined to exist, it will exist.

Offline Albarra

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2017, 04:48:01 pm »
muslimforever2012,

I disagree your statement.

Please check my comment that rape is strictly forbidden for slavery in Islam.

Muhammad (phub) actually approved coitus interruptus for slave girls.

Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a man came to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and said:

I have a slave-girl who is our servant and she carries water for us and I have intercourse with her, but I do not want her to conceive. He said: Practise 'azl, if you so like, but what is decreed for her will come to her. The person stayed back (for some time) and then came and said: The girl has become pregnant, whereupon he said: I told you what was decreed for her would come to her.
Sahih Muslim Book 8, Hadith 3383


Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported that a person asked Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) saying:

I have a slave-girl and I practise 'azl with her, whereupon Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: This cannot prevent that which Allah has decreed. The person then came (after some time) and said: Messenger of Allah, the slave-girl about whom I talked to you has conceived, whereupon Allah's Messeuger (ﷺ) said: I am the servant of Allah and His Messenger.
Sahih Muslim Book 8, Hadith 3384

So, Muslim men can use azl (coitus interruptus) to have sex with female slaves. No problem. Muhammad (phub) just personally did not like azl because he loved children, but that doesn't mean that azl is forbidden for slavery.

Again, please check my comment on this webpage.
 

And Allah knows best.



Offline muslimforever2012

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2017, 06:58:40 am »
Thanks again, Albarra!

Offline muslimforever2012

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2017, 07:30:17 am »
OK I am nearly finished in refuting the charges but I am stuck in one thing. Can you help me in refuting
 
OBSESSIVE-COMPULSIVE DISORDER (OCD)
SCHIZOPHRENIA
PARANOID PERSONALITY DISORDER
BIPOLAR DISORDER

sorry for the caps I copy pasted.

Offline Albarra

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2017, 08:51:35 am »
OK I am nearly finished in refuting the charges but I am stuck in one thing. Can you help me in refuting
 
OBSESSIVE-COMPULSIVE DISORDER (OCD)
SCHIZOPHRENIA
PARANOID PERSONALITY DISORDER
BIPOLAR DISORDER

sorry for the caps I copy pasted.

What? I don't get it. Does Islam mention about disorders?