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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2017, 11:45:37 am »
OK everyone, so I am nearly finished with the book, but I need some help. I want to expose Sina with his forum posts (http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar/true_face_of_ali_sina_1.htm) but these threads have been deleted so I want a picture to prove it and so that Sina doesn't deny it. Did anyone take a picture of his posts when the threads were available?


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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2017, 06:22:57 pm »
Asalam ul laykum brothers and sisters, sorry i havent had time to help contribute to this project. However, brother muslimforever2012, since sina likes to believe his logical fallacy of so called fabricated 4.5 billion apostate muslims. Which actually sounds way too exagerrated and since islam is the fastest growing religion with the Most practising adherents and the Most Largest religion as of 2016. This fabricated 4.6 billion argument falls on its ilogical face.

Brother muslimforever2012, u should include information from muslimpopulation.com that shows that as of 2016 islam is the largest religion of the world while christianity has 2.06 billion. Islam has 2.14 billion. It is the fastest growing due to birth rate and CONVERSION.


Also, the only time there has been mass number of muslims converting to christianity has ALWAYS been due to pressure from christians or clear death sentence of convert or die. For example the Spanish Reconquesta where Queen Isbella ordered that 500,000. To 600,000 muslims of spain to be either forced converted, die or leave. Majority of those muslims chose death.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversions_of_Muslims_in_Spain

Even nowaday muslims leaving war striken regions thats to the Anglo-American Isreali Agendas. All or Most of these so called mass conversions r done under pressure, that these muslims need to convert if they want to come here and live a better life. This is a testimony by chruch fathers.
Much of these conversions r looked at with suspicion by immigration authorities and many church fathers believe that it is a form of 'abuse'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3611073/Thousands-Muslim-migrants-convert-Christianity-mass-baptisms-reaching-Europe-just-desperate-asylum.html


Brother after completing ur book u should these points to show how all these falsehoods that ali sina believes r all fabrication and are results of abuse from the western radical christians.

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #48 on: June 22, 2017, 06:34:01 pm »
Muslimpopulation.com gets its information from an authentic source which is religouspopulation.com. this is the article by religiouspopulation.com and the research they present is done by Carniege Edowment of International Peace, thus we know this is accurate statistics.
 







"To generate a consistent database which would enable one understand the influence and trends of mankind within the premises of  major religious faiths and practices, research has been carried out by utilizing multiple sources like Population Reference Bureau, CIA Fact Sheet, WIKIPEDIA , Pew Forum, Encyclopedia of the Nations, Holt Rinehart and Winston, BBC and other relevant databases.


The study establishes that the Muslim population is increasing steadily due to higher birth rate as well as conversion, while adherence towards other faiths are either dropping or remained static due to leaving the faiths or lesser growth rate. For example, the Christian population in the west & America(North & South) is dropping due to lesser growth rate through conversion or birth rate as compared to Muslim population and at the same time renouncing the faith system altogether. Christian population is in increase in many of Asian and African countries by both birth rate and conversion. Current data displays that in 2016 Christian population are about 2.07  billion and while Muslims are 2.14 billion.

We calculated on population data sheet of 2016 multiplying the growth rate such as Muslim 1.84% and Christianity 1.13% as found correctly from Carnegie Endowment for International Peace."

http://www.religiouspopulation.com


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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2017, 07:51:36 am »
Muslimpopulation.com gets its information from an authentic source which is religouspopulation.com. this is the article by religiouspopulation.com and the research they present is done by Carniege Edowment of International Peace, thus we know this is accurate statistics.
 







"To generate a consistent database which would enable one understand the influence and trends of mankind within the premises of  major religious faiths and practices, research has been carried out by utilizing multiple sources like Population Reference Bureau, CIA Fact Sheet, WIKIPEDIA , Pew Forum, Encyclopedia of the Nations, Holt Rinehart and Winston, BBC and other relevant databases.


The study establishes that the Muslim population is increasing steadily due to higher birth rate as well as conversion, while adherence towards other faiths are either dropping or remained static due to leaving the faiths or lesser growth rate. For example, the Christian population in the west & America(North & South) is dropping due to lesser growth rate through conversion or birth rate as compared to Muslim population and at the same time renouncing the faith system altogether. Christian population is in increase in many of Asian and African countries by both birth rate and conversion. Current data displays that in 2016 Christian population are about 2.07  billion and while Muslims are 2.14 billion.

We calculated on population data sheet of 2016 multiplying the growth rate such as Muslim 1.84% and Christianity 1.13% as found correctly from Carnegie Endowment for International Peace."

http://www.religiouspopulation.com

Thank you too.

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2017, 04:18:08 am »
Unfortunately, my laptop stopped working due to that the charger isn't working anymore. When I get another one, I will continue writing Insha Allah.

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2017, 09:48:55 am »
Assalamu alaikum.

So finally I'm finished  :D. However, when I reviewed it, I had 2 final questions:

1. Can you explain this contradiction of hadiths?:

Jabir said, Allah be well-pleased with him: I heard the Messenger of Allah say, upon him blessings and peace: “I entered Paradise and saw that most of its dwellers were women.” [ Narrated by al-Bayhaqi in “al-Ba`th wal-Nushur” and Ibn `Asakir in “Tarikh Dimashq” ] .


Sahih Muslim 36.6600:1:

Imran b. Husain reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Amongst the inmates of Paradise the women would form a minority.

2. Is this Tabaqat hadith authentic?:

Ibn Sa'ad wrote: “Sometimes the Prophet used to fast so much, as if he did not want to end it, and sometimes he would not fast for so long that one thought he did not want to fast at all.”

Thanks.

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2017, 04:18:42 pm »
1.

Not a contradiction at all because the first hadees is not found in any authentic source, (as I searched)

2.

Even this hadees is not found in any authentic source.(as per my search)

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2017, 03:21:54 am »
1.

Not a contradiction at all because the first hadees is not found in any authentic source, (as I searched)

2.

Even this hadees is not found in any authentic source.(as per my search)

I found the answer to no. 1. But i'm not sure for 2. I can't just dismiss a hadith without proving it.

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2017, 05:00:40 am »
The first hadith does appear to have reliable sources.

See: https://islamqa.info/en/21457
For a possible refutation see http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2009/01/why-is-it-said-in-hadith-that-women.html

The second hadith apparently narrated by Imam Ahmad and Imam Al-Nasa'i but with a small but very significant and interesting translation difference.

See the second paragraph here: https://www.islamicity.org/6004/fasting-during-shaban/

Additionally, you can use search engines like search.islamwiki.org, IslamSearch.org or Muslims Search Engine to quickly search for material in relevant Muslim websites.

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2017, 10:42:29 am »
So I'm finally done. The PDF can be downloaded here: https://ufile.io/p89uc

Thanks  ;D

Now I'll go show this to Sina.....

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2017, 12:08:10 pm »
Jazakullah Brother Ahmad for telling the sites for better search options.

The link of Islamqa includes the hadees of sahih Muslim, the second hadees,but what about the first hadees and its authenticity?


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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2017, 12:56:03 pm »
Isn't the first narration in the islamqa.info link saying the same thing?
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... “I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.”

Also, by-the-way, search.islamwiki.org also has your websites included in it too.

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« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2017, 12:59:04 pm »
Brother, the first hadees mentions about majority of women in paradise, narrated by Jabir r.a