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« on: July 08, 2017, 10:35:55 am »
As salamu alaikum.

So we keep giving islamophobes evidence that child marriage was OK, but they STILL say NONONO MUHAMMAD IS A PEDO (astaghfirullah). So the only way to shut them up is to show them that the hadiths narrator was not reliable. However, when I did that, someone told me:

What a liar the most authentic sou said she was 9.

And he gave me a pdf refuting the theory: https://islamistruth.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/the-age-of-aishah_s-marriage-between-historians-and-hadith-scholars.pdf

Can someone help me please.

Thanks.

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Re: Aisha
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2017, 11:08:24 am »
Wa Alaikum As'salaam dear brother,

Why try to prove that the Hadith is unreliable?  Just show them that it was also practiced and allowed in their gospel of porn, the book of vaginas taste like wine, and she wished her boyfriend was her brother who was nursed from her "mother's breast".  These are praised things Bible, not condemned.

Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/incestual_fantasies.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm


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Re: Aisha
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2017, 11:21:24 am »
bismillah,

with regard to this, these allegations are often thrown around by christians which have donkey balls and horse emissions in their book, see ezekiel 23:20, and they also have their child marriages in their bible see the following inshaAllah,

the marriage of isaac to a very young rebekah ( a child ): https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/10/26/the-age-of-rebecca-when-she-married-isaac-biblical-perceptive/ and https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/11/17/what-was-rebeccas-age-when-given-away-in-marriage-naar/ and https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/11/14/was-rebekah-3-10-years-old-when-married-off-to-isaac/ and https://discover-the-truth.com/2015/01/14/bible-isaacs-marriage-to-10-year-old-rebecca/

moses and his men, https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/08/07/a-detailed-historical-examination-of-numbers-3118/ and https://discover-the-truth.com/2015/10/29/child-marriage-in-the-bible/ and https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/11/14/bible-does-numbers-3118-sanction-pre-pubescent-marriages-child-marriage-2/

dinah age married to Shechem at age 7, https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/08/02/bible-how-old-was-dinah-when-she-was-married-to-shechem/ and https://discover-the-truth.com/2017/01/25/revisiting-dinah-and-shechems-marriage/

david marriage to a 12 year old, whom he couldnt sleep with because he was too old and things werent working: https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/09/17/king-davids-marriage-to-12-year-old-abishag-bible/ https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/09/25/bible-evidence-that-david-married-12-year-old-abishag/ https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/09/21/exploring-1-kings-14-knew-her-not-king-davids-12-year-old-bride/

mary and joseph: https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/30/marriage-of-mary-to-joseph-the-carpenter/

with regard to aisha, firstly lets see what french philosopher Montesquieu in his book "The Spirit of the Laws" which became later one of the foundations of the US law says in that book:
"Women are marriageable in hot climates at eight, nine, and ten years of age. thus, childhood and marriage almost always go together there. They are old at twenty: thus reason in women is never found with beauty there"

next did aisha hit puberty? yes: Narrated AISHA: (the wife of the Prophet) I had seen my parents following Islam since I attained the age of PUBERTY. Not a day passed but the Prophet visited us, both in the mornings and evenings.” (Sahih al-Bukhari volume 1, Book 8, Hadith 465 https://sunnah.com/bukhari/8/124)

she also said it herself, Aisha knew (that she hit puberty) when she became nine years old. (Shaikh Abdur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri, Tuhfat AI-Ahwadhi, Kitab: al-Nikah, Bab: Maa Jaa'a fee Ikraah Al Yateemah 'alaa al tazweej, Hadith no. 1027,

these people are throwing rocks but living in a glass house with ttheir child marriages, sex, porn, incest and donkey balls,

with regard to aisha, see montesqieu statement and : Muhammad aisha, ok, firstly you have to know, her being 9 is accepted, but scrutinized and not accepted by some others, some believe she was 13-14, and othets believe she was even around 18 either wayone such site trries to make that argument: http://hameem.org/index.php/multimedia/articles/89-articles/149-proof-that-aisha-was-over-15-years-old-when-she-married-the-prophet-peace-be-upon-him but enough of this argument because i do believe she was 9  was this wrong those days?: french philosopher Montesquieu in his book "The Spirit of the Laws" which became later one of the foundations of the US law says in that book:
"Women are marriageable in hot climates at eight, nine, and ten years of age. thus, childhood and marriage almost always go together there. They are old at twenty: thus reason in women is never found with beauty there" and http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html  https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/09/age-of-consent-in-european-american-history/ http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/why_did_prophet_muhammed_marry_aisha_at_a_young_age__is_that_morally_right__what_about_paedophilia___by_dan_1988 http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_sam_shamoun_s_arguments_regarding_the_prophet_s_marriage_to_aisha https://discover-the-truth.com/2017/02/28/5-facts-about-aisha-and-muhammeds-marriage/ http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm#_ftn1 http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/aisha_new.html also according to hadith she was smart and knew things others did not, “Abu Musa said: Whenever there was any hadith that was difficult [to understand] for us, the Companions of the Messenger of Allah, and we asked Aisha we always found that she had knowledge about that hadith.” “Musa ibn Talha said: I never saw anyone more eloquent than Aisha.” the first ever time someone complained about their marriage was in 1905, so clearly there were no issues with it, also if this was peculiar why didnt anyone say such a thing at least for 1200 years, why didnt her parents object, why didnt anyone make a comment. As i showed you the age of consent in the past, facts about thier marriage, showing she hit puberty, the first time the objection was made was in 1905 which makes this event not weird in history, she was well able to reason, was eloquent and smart. Also again her age is not for certain see the very first link. to conclude the age for marriage in the quran is if one has reached sound judgement, meaning they can understand, they can reason, some tafseers say tthis speaks of her reaching puberty and also being able to think straight. see: https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/11/21/minimum-age-for-marriage-in-the-quran/ also, no the prophet didnt say, i want your daughter abu bakr, thr lady who recomended it was, khawrah, again see this link: https://discover-the-truth.com/2017/02/28/5-facts-about-aisha-and-muhammeds-marriage/

No muhammad is a normal human being living in that culture. Was it bad those days? No, if Muhammad had lived in england in the 14th century, he couldve done all of this completely legal. So in england 800 years after the prophet this was still normal, there was nothing peculiar about it,this day and age you are right, but those times when you hit puberty you were thought of as being a woman, and from my links i already showed you she hit puberty, was smart, could reason etc.
well what does the quran say, let see: https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/11/21/minimum-age-for-marriage-in-the-quran/ so hit puberty and have sound judgement/ is mentally ready for it. nowadays you see 15 year olds they definitely are not mentally ready for marriage, but lets see about aisha. She was smart, could reason, understood/knew things better than others, hit puberty, that day and age was legal. So if she hits puberty, she is mentally ready, she can reason, is smart, understands things better than others showing she is smart, it was completely legal from then till even in some places in 1880 ( https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/09/age-of-consent-in-european-american-history/ ) nowadays 9 is not fine, why not? Well firstly they dont really reach puberty at that age, they are not ready for it, cannot reason, is not smart etc. aisha was, so whats the problem, also why did he marry her? Was it a marriafe if pedophelia? Well then why did he not marry more children if that was the case? pls tell me. all his wives were not children, except for her and it was completely aceptable to marry children then, so why didnt he do it? list of marriages: Khadija bint khawilad 40 Twice widowed before Sauda Bint Zama 50 Widow Aisha bint Abu Bakr 9 Started living with the prophet at the age of 9. Hafsa Bint Umar bin Khattab 22 Widow Zainab bint Khuzaima 30 Umm-I-Salma bint Abu Umayia 26 Widow Zainab Bint Jahash 38 Widow Juwaeria Bint Harith 20 Widow Umm-I-Habiba bint Abu Sufyan 36 Widow Marya Qibtiya bint shamun 17 Virgin, Egyptian Safia bint Hayi bin Akhtab 17 Widow Raihana bint umru bin hanafa Not available Maimuna bint harith 36 why are all his marriages except for 1 or 2 widows, and why only 1 child if he was this supposed pedophile? Or did he marry her for a different reason? http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/aisha_new.html to conclude, that day, aisha hit puberty at 9, was mentaly ready, was smart could reason, understood things that others didnt showing she was smart. it was legal in some places until 1880 why didnt he marry children the whole time, or more than 1 if he was a pedophile as you claim, again this link http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/aisha_new.html 9 not acceptable now as they do not hit puberty, they are not mentaly ready for it, cant reason, arent smart etc. also, he wasnt the one that suggested the marriage with her links for supporting proofs: puberty and not suggesting the marriage, https://discover-the-truth.com/2017/02/28/5-facts-about-aisha-and-muhammeds-marriage/ she was smart, could reason, knew things better than others, http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm#_ftn1 age of consent in 1880, https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/09/age-of-consent-in-european-american-history/ not a pedophile for the reasons mentioned, above and this link: http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/aisha_new.html also many people think their marriage was also for political reasons as it would put abu bakr in a highj place even if muhammad died as he was the father of aisha, either way, different point. also finally, it is not a 100% she was that age, as it still contradicts with some historical things, sites that make such a claim are these: http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm#_ftn1 http://hameem.org/index.php/multimedia/articles/89-articles/149-proof-that-aisha-was-over-15-years-old-when-she-married-the-prophet-peace-be-upon-him http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_5/age_of_aisha_(P1472).html but personally i accept the age of 9, also tell me why the first time ever being criticized was 1905, why not earlier if it was so bad, also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE_zypf8DAU&t=406s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOhyhxOKI4E http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/aisha_new.html http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm#_ftn1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsYk-tRp9jk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zauvfaGzyzQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kg-vEv_7R0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM4IuDVFL3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5LZHTEv1BI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8eeHRAIaIc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE_zypf8DAU&t=406s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsYk-tRp9jk&t=6s another site that argues she wasnt even 9: http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

jazakallah khair

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Re: Aisha
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2017, 11:59:14 am »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Hani and to Everyone,

Jazaka Allah Khayr for this good addition, akhi.  I have updated the following article with it:

www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm

Keep up the great work!

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2017, 05:01:00 pm »
As salamu alaikum.

 but they STILL say NONONO MUHAMMAD IS A PEDO (astaghfirullah).

Wa alaikum assalam

In my opinion, the easiest way to expose those who utter this garbage is to educate them !

According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, definition of Paedophile is:

"Pedophile: also spelled PAEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical paedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult."

Indeed, his first wife Khadiga was twice widowed before and was older than him by 15 years. All his wives except Aisha were widows. Therefore, it is evident that Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was an exception and Prophet did indeed find adult relationship. Prophet also did not have low self-esteem, as it is evident from his his biography.

Harold I. Kaplan et al. (Synopsis of Psychiatry, 5th ed. [Williams and Wilkens, 1988], p. 360) writes:

"In addition to their paedophilia, a significant number of paedophiles are concomitantly or have previously been involved in exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape". (Voyeurism is the recurrent preoccupation with fantasised or acts that involve seeking out or observing people who are naked, or are engaged in grooming or in sexual activity).

It is commonly accepted by Muslims and non-muslims (un-biased) that Prophet in no sense indulged in "exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape" or even came close to it. There is not a single reference to indicate that prophet was involved in any such act. In addition, Prophet waited for Aisha to mature and reach Puberty before the marriage was consummated, this obviously is contrary to the characteristics of a paedophile.
http://islamic-life-forum.blogspot.com/2013/06/refuting-grave-allegation-by-people-of.html
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Betrothal at very young ages was fairly common amongst the gentry in europe as well, consummation was often deferred.

The American colonies in the 17th century have fairly widespread cases of very young marriage down to the age of seven and twelve a century ago was often the age of consent in Western societies, it still is in Japan.

You do have to remember that the odd Western concept of childhood really is a Victorian invention and marriage for most of it's history is a binding economic pact between two families it had little to do with the lovey dovey institution we have today. In Arabic societies it was and still is often the way of settling disputes and making alliances.

For example;
Prince Edward of Wales married the French king’s daughter, Isabella, who was only seven years old and Romanos II married Bertha , the daughter of the King of Italy, when she was only four years old. Richard of Shrewsbury, King Edward IV’s son, married the five year old Anne Mowbray of Norfolk

(Pope consent was a prerequisite of the time).


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Re: Aisha
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2017, 10:40:23 pm »
Here are the countries with the highest rates of child prostitution.

1. India (Hindu)
2. Sri Lanka (Buddhism)
3. Thailand (Buddhism) 
4. Brazil (Christianity)
5. Peru (Christianity)
6. United States (Christianity)
7. Canada (Christianity)

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/top-five-countries-highest-rates-child-prostitution-1435448
http://www.channel42.in/news/5-countries-with-highest-rates-of-child-prostitution

In addition, there are a lot of child sex abuses in churches, including Vatican City. Gee, I wonder why, but maybe the Bible support pedophiles.

Just go to Google search and type "child sex abuse in church/Vatican city" for more info. 

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Re: Aisha
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2017, 07:05:36 am »
Jazak Allah everyone. Thanks for helping me.

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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2017, 09:40:02 am »
1.The criteria of pedophilia is not justified for Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.w.

2.There are clear indications that Mother Ayesha r.a. was an adult,not a child at the age of nine.

3.Girls could reach puberty "normally" after the age of 8 years.The abnormality or precocious puberty is before 8 years