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sex with minors in Judaism???
« on: September 06, 2017, 06:34:06 am »
Assalamualaikum guys,

I need some help concerning something really "strange".I was planning to post this 2 weeks before but i kinda got busy.Well I don't really remember for what reason but 2 weeks ago i reading chapter 15 of the "Ishut" on Chabad.org and i stumbled across this "verse"...



"A man should not marry a barren women, an elderly woman, an aylonit or a minor who is not fit to bear a child[11]
 unless
he has already fulfilled the mitzvah of being fruitful and multiplying,[12] or he has another wife with whom he can father children.[13]"

The footnote of number 11 says...

From the Shulchan Aruch (Even HaEzer 23:1), one can infer that sexual relations with a minor are considered as emitting wasted seed, one of the more severe prohibitions of the Torah. The Ramah (loc. cit.:5) and other authorities, however, differ and explain that as long as relations are carried out in an ordinary manner, having relations with a minor or an aylonit DOES NOT VIOLATE this prohibition.

Ok i went to check Schulchan Arukh Even HaEzer 23:1 to see what exactly does it say and this is what it says....

"It is prohibited to spill seed needlessly and this sin is more severe than all Torah transgressions. For this reason a man should not thresh inside and sprinkle [his semen] outside [of a woman], and he should not marry a girl who is unable to have children."

BUT a couple of "verses" below, more accurately on 23:5 it is written...



"A woman who has some sort of closure in her womb and therefore when her husband has relations with her he sprinkles outside, this is prohibited (but it is PERMITTED to have relations with a minor or an aylonit since this is the way of the land) (Tosafot and the Mordecai ch. 1 Yevamot, and Nimukei Yosef on the chapter [entitled] Haba al Yevamto)."

Can anyone give me his opinion on this? Does that mean sexual relationship with minors is allowed in some circumstances in Judaism?

Here is a link to Ishut chapter 15 on Chabad.org....

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/952889/jewish/Ishut-Chapter-Fifteen.htm

And here is the link where i was reading Schulchan Arukh 23:1-5....

https://www.sefaria.org/Shulchan_Arukh,_Even_HaEzer.23?lang=bi
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Re: sex with minors in Judaism???
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2017, 06:54:31 am »
Coming back to the verse which i quoted from Ishut chapter 15....

"A man should not marry a barren women, an elderly woman, an aylonit or a minor who is not fit to bear a child[11]UNLESS he has already fulfilled the mitzvah of being fruitful and multiplying,[12] or he has another wife with whom he can father children.[13]"

Do you guys notice the word "Unless"? Does that mean the Jewish man can marry a minor if he has already fulfilled the mitzvah of being fruitful?

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Re: sex with minors in Judaism???
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2017, 04:11:04 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Shaad,

Jazaka Allah Khayr, akhi.  Great points indeed.  Judaism has no age restriction on marriage.  And puberty is not a minimum limit either.  And men did have sex with minors under Judaism.

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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2017, 04:45:48 am »
Walaikum Salam brother Osama...thank you for giving me your opinion

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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2017, 12:26:52 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Shaad,

I just added your work to the following articles:

www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac12.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/sex_with_minors_in_judaism.htm


I also took the liberty to emphasize a few words and added a few images in your post above to make your point very clear.  Jazaka Allah Khayr.

Take care,
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2017, 12:48:15 pm »
Thank you Brother Osama

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2017, 03:47:54 pm »
You are very welcome, dear brother Shaad.