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« on: September 27, 2017, 05:44:05 PM »
Salam,

Bukhari 2: O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! How is the Divine Inspiration revealed to you?" Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) replied, "Sometimes it is (revealed) like the ringing of a bell,

Muslim 2114: The bell is the musical instrument of the Satan.

Both of these ahadith are sahih found in the sahihayn and mentioned multiple times.

So one hadith says the bell is from the fevil the next says muhammad saws received revelation in the form of a bell  how do we reconcile these

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Re: Bell
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2017, 07:11:34 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

I am not sure what type of "Bell" we're talking about here :).  I've read in other Hadiths that the Prophet used to attend weddings and hear music there.  The hadiths that prohibit music are believed to be fabrications by many Muslims, me included.  Of course, all sinful songs and music are forbidden. 

No bell is forbidden.  And the Prophet didn't hear any bell for Revelations.  This is a lie on the Prophet.  You see, unlike the corrupt bible and all other religious books, the Glorious Quran has proven Itself to be The True and Divine Word of Allah Almighty.  You can see it for yourself in the following links to see the Overwhelming Scientific and Numerical Miracles and Prophecies of the Glorious Quran:

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Osama Abdallah

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Re: Bell
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 11:06:54 AM »
AsSalamu 'Alaykum

I think this Hadis would help us understand what the 'Ringing of a bell' means in that Hadis:

Quote from:  Sahih al-Bukhari 3215
Narrated Aisha:
Al Harith bin Hisham asked the Prophet, "How does the divine inspiration come to you?" He replied, "In all these ways: The Angel sometimes comes to me with a voice which resembles the sound of a ringing bell, and when this state abandons me, I remember what the Angel has said, and this type of Divine Inspiration is the hardest on me; and sometimes the Angel comes to me in the shape of a man and talks to me, and I understand and remember what he says."
(https://sunnah.com/bukhari/59/26)

The above Hadis says the Angel(A)'s voice sounded like that.

Allah Knows Best.

Salaam
S.H.O


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Re: Bell
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2017, 01:12:13 PM »
Every bell sound is not music.

Bells intended to be heard over a wide area can range from a single bell hung in a turret or bell-gable, to a musical ensemble such as an English ring of bells, a carillon or a Russian zvon which are tuned to a common scale and installed in a bell tower. Many public or institutional buildings house bells, most commonly as clock bells to sound the hours and quarters.(wikipedia)

When the intention is of music,there is a set of bells used,which you can see from the wikipedia,English ring of bells,carillon etc.Single bell produces only sound,not music.

The hadees mentions Jrs (singular),not juroos (plural) so there is no hint of music,unless the delusional critic is hallucinating.

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Re: Bell
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2017, 07:07:16 PM »
Hey br osama

With regard to thw music prohibtion could you show your view on it i thought it was prohibited by the following evdiences. But if you have counterevidence id love to see inshaAllah

The evidence thats usually brought:

The quran: 31:6 And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead [others] from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment.

Tafsir: The scholar of the ummah, Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: this means singing. Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40).

 Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this aayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451).

 Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this includes all manner of haraam speech, all idle talk and falsehood, and all nonsense that encourages kufr and disobedience; the words of those who say things to refute the truth and argue in support of falsehood to defeat the truth; and backbiting, slander, lies, insults and curses; the singing and musical instruments of the Shaytaan; and musical instruments which are of no spiritual or worldly benefit. (Tafseer al-Sa’di, 6/150)

 Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The interpretation of the Sahaabah and Taabi’in, that ‘idle talk’ refers to singing, is sufficient. This was reported with saheeh isnaads from Ibn ‘Abbaas and Ibn Mas’ood. Abu’l-Sahbaa’ said: I asked Ibn Mas’ood about the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks’ [Luqmaan 31:6]. He said: By Allaah, besides Whom there is no other god, this means singing – and he repeated it three times. It was also reported with a saheeh isnaad from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) that this means singing( Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/258-259).

Do you then wonder at this recitation (the Qur’aan)?

And you laugh at it and weep not,

Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”

[al-Najm 53:59-61]

  ‘Ikrimah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: it was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that al-sumood [verbal noun from saamidoon, translated here as “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”] means “singing”, in the dialect of Himyar; it might be said “Ismidi lanaa” [‘sing for us’ – from the same root as saamidoon/sumood] meaning “ghaniy” [sing]. And he said (may Allaah have mercy on him): When they [the kuffaar] heard the Qur’aan, they would sing, then this aayah was revealed.

Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning) “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)” – Sufyaan al-Thawri said, narrating from his father from Ibn ‘Abbaas: (this means) singing. This is Yemeni (dialect): ismad lana means ghan lana [sing to us]. This was also the view of ‘Ikrimah. (Tafseer Ibn Katheer).

 It was reported from Abu Umaamah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not sell singing slave women, do not buy them and do not teach them. There is nothing good in this trade, and their price is haraam. Concerning such things as this the aayah was revealed (interpretation of the meaning): ‘And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…’ [Luqmaan 31:6].” (Hasan hadeeth)

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

 “Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).




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Re: Bell
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2017, 06:46:01 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum,

All rubbish talk from casual conversations, to poetry and songs is prohibited in Islam.  It creates fitnah (trial) among the Muslims and it contributes to misleading instead of guiding to the Truth.

Music can be used for good and beneficial topics.  Even in the classical rock and heavy metal and rap music, there are songs that don't contain a single sinful word, and do contain good messages that Islam does not prohibit.  Such music is halal (lawful).  The first Noble Verse that you used clearly proves this:

Quran: 31:6 And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead [others] from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment.

So speech and music that are not misleading are not haram (prohibited).  For ample more proofs, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm  Entry# 155
www.answering-christianity.com/rubbish_music_and_talk_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/satire.htm
  Prophet Muhammad did satire.

www.answering-christianity.com/fitnah.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/tempting_disbelievers_is_forbidden.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Bell
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 02:24:10 PM »
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