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Re: John 1:1
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 06:04:10 am »
Brother Osama,

It was about Genesis 3:8, the translation is incorrect and trinitarians rely on that sometimes...You're right by the way, they are too close minded and indoctrinated to care about context, we should be straightfoward with 'em...

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2017, 08:16:13 am »
The Logos and Jesus are differentiated in Revelation....

Revelation 20:4 King James Version (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God...

Revelation 1:2

2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ
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Re: John 1:1
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2017, 03:11:38 pm »
Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Shaad.  I took the liberty to add the emphasis to your text, akhi.  Indeed, the Word of GOD Almighty ENCOMPASSES Jesus, because he was made/created from it; exactly as Islam declares.

Trinity is false.  I have added your addition to:

www.answering-christianity.com/word_of_god.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2017, 05:41:59 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters,

Akhi Shaad, I just added your post above to 100+ articles.  I updated the website and mentioned it in the 11/04/2017 entry at:

www.answering-christianity.com/whatsnew.htm

Jazaka Allah Khayr.

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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2017, 10:38:14 am »
Brother Osama,

Thanks....as soon as i get something new about John 1:1 i'm gonna post it here...

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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2017, 03:08:12 pm »
Many years ago, I was led into study because of a simple prayer for God to “show me the truth about Jesus.” I was confused; do I pray to God, do I pray to Jesus? I just wanted the truth. It is my prayer that I have found a place, here, to engage in dialogue for the purpose of testing me and the conclusions that I have come to believe as truth. I am a Christian with no ties to man-made doctrine or creeds.

I did not realize those many years ago that my simple prayer for truth would lead me into the snake pit of trinity theology and that it would become the driving force of my being. It is the ”why” of this mess that interests me the most; why this divisive creed that has caused so much bloodshed, even to this very day, exists. 

In the final analysis it all boils down to “worship.” Satan has desired worship from the very beginning and I have no doubt that this doctrine is part of the plan and is paving the way for such. God did not become a man; His word became flesh.  Jesus is not the creator; the worlds were created “through” him.  May we speak?

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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2017, 05:44:31 pm »
Juanita, okay, what do you want to talk about mate?

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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2017, 06:07:38 pm »
I am sorry, I did not mean to imply that Jesus was there at creation. Jesus did not exist until he was born of Mary.

The worlds were created “through” God’s word. In the beginning God “said” let there be light. As mentioned in Psalm  33:6 by the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Something physical happened at the moment of creation. There was nothing and, an instant later, there was something, there was sound…a vibration (that is all that sound is, a vibration.

While researching information on buying a short wave radio, I came across a Radio Frequency Spectrum graph and the “Sound to Light Spectrum”…hello, sound to light?  In the beginning God said let there be light. Could it be that God produced a vibration strong enough or fast enough or concentrated enough to produce that light? Was probably a pretty awesome “bang”

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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2017, 08:31:34 pm »
Peace be upon you sister Juanita,

Welcome to the board.  I ask Allah Almighty to further lead you to Islam.  Ameen.

You said:

" I am a Christian with no ties to man-made doctrine or creeds."

Did you know that even the name of Christianity is wrong.  It was the people of Antioch that decided to name themselves "Christians".  It's like a Muslim sect deciding to name themselves "Muhammadans".  The problem with such titles that are based on Prophets' names is that that would make you a submitter to the certain Prophet, which would then make you a polytheist.  This is why we are all Muslims, and Islam is our Religion.  A Muslim is a submitter to GOD Almighty.

By the way, this is where you also get "Shalom".  It is based on Islam and being a Muslim.  Even in the Bible, the original title for the Believers had always been Muslims.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm#capsule
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2017, 06:14:53 am »
Thank you, Osama, I have often said that if Jesus returned today, he would not call himself a Christian. The trinity doctrine has so perverted and overtaken the truth of the message that, as I maintain, it is above and beyond mere men to have contrived but being satanic in origin; although, in ignorance scholars propagate and decimate it as truth. I believe in the message of the man, the Christ, whom God sent. 


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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2017, 10:02:20 am »
In all humbleness, I would like to present an understanding of John 1:1 that aligns with the Quran, the Bible and Jesus, himself. 

According to the Quran, Jesus came from the REALM OF COMMAND.  I would specify, by way of the pre-incarnate word of God, indeed, he did.

According to the Bible, John 1:1 says that “in the beginning;” not before the beginning…or after the beginning, but “in” the beginning the word of God was

According to the testimony of Jesus, himself, in John 8:42 he actuallyconfirms his origins. He is challenging the Jews and said unto them “If God were your Father, ye would love me; for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.”

Research will show, the Greek word ‘exerchomai’ translated here, as “proceeded forth”, has the implication of “to go out” to “spread abroad” to “reverberate or echo forth” as in Rev 16:17 and Rev: 19:5.

However, even more specifically the Greek word ‘ek’ used to define “came from”  when researched show a definition defined as “out of” “exiting or emission” “generation or birth” “from the interior or releasing.”   

When Jesus is referred to as “the only begotten of God” I maintain that scripture is referring to the moment of creation, in the beginning, when Gods’ word echoed forth from out of him. His word is the only thing that was not created; for his word came forth from within him, was begotten from him, and “through” his word, everything was created as will be shown next.

Most important is this next little preposition “di,” and its’ nearly universal mistranslation, which is yet another attempt to obscure the truth by satan, via the many scribes and translators. In order to propagate the trinity doctrine and, ultimately win worship war, satan must convince souls that Jesus was somehow the creator because, as we all know, only the creator can be worshiped.  Research will show that ‘di’ should be properly translated as “through” which is in harmony with all other scripture on this subject. The worlds were not created by the word, but through the word of God.

In summary Jesus is the only begotten of God, because as the pre-incarnant word of God he echoed forth out of God as the manifestation of Gods’ word in the physical world, and through his word, God “said” let there be light.

Further, God did not become a man…his word became flesh.

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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2017, 04:45:25 pm »
Thanks....i remember reading a similar perspective somewhere...quite interesting...

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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2017, 07:39:27 pm »
Thanks....i remember reading a similar perspective somewhere...quite interesting...

As'salamu Alaikum Juanita and Shaad,

Regarding Prophet and Messiah Isa, peace be upon him, being made/created from the REALM of Command, this was explained by today's one of the best Quranic scholars, if not the best one, Engineer Adnan Al-Rifaei.  He's the one who also did 25 years of research on the Glorious Quran's number 19 Miracle and found a new pattern in It with thousands of examples.  I have put his examples in a zip file:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm

As to the Realm of Command point, please see his explanation here:

www.answering-christianity.com/quran_creator_or_created.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2017, 08:17:39 am »
There are so many amazing examples and confirmations that our all-powerful God really exists. He has left for us proofs in so many miraculous way. Ways that no man could have ever produced, or could even ever replicate. We are thankful for the devoted and obedient servants who bring to light these evidences and testimonies of God Almighty through their own passionate research and study. 

It is my opinion, however, that no one religion or source has 100% truth, but most religions have some of it. The holy spirit is the teacher who leads us to all truth, wherever it may be; in the amazing chronology of the Bible, in the amazing sequence of 19 in the Qur’an or seeing God Almighty in His  amazing creation. The truth of God, and his plan, can be found everywhere if we honestly seek it.

What has led me to your site, Osama, is your interaction with Edward Dalcour. My passion, as I mentioned earlier, is the deception of the trinity doctrine and its ultimate role in the last days. However, the cancer of this doctrine is, even today, taking a tragic toll on humankind. It is true, Christianity tries to twist and manipulate this doctrine into its theology producing a satanic polytheistic pillar in its creed. The horrific backlash produced, when it is so plainly denounced in the Qur’an, is the result.

I have to come to the conclusion that the Roman Papacy is the seat of the anti-christ, but to resort to the extreme of killing innocents, in my opinion, proves and achieves nothing. However, if exposing the lie, via the light of truth, pleases the Almighty, then with His inspiration and command, may it be done! 

I desire to engage the dragon of deceit in an arena. Not to convince an opponent of anything, but to have a platform to reach blinded souls with the light of the truth about the trinity. Although I am no lightweight on this subject, I have never “debated” and this is the first time that I have even blogged.

May we collaborate?

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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2017, 11:55:17 am »
Would you like to join website to debate someone about the Trinity? Just let me know...i know a good place for that...