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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2017, 02:23:22 PM »

www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/008/index.htm

This is the address, if it doesn't work I'll find it on ccel.

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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2017, 02:24:24 PM »

www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/008/index.htm

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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2017, 04:08:11 PM »

Ante Nicene Fathers vol 8

Ancient Syriac documents

Relating to the earliest establishment of Christianity in EdEssa and the neighboring countries.

From the History of the Church

Story of the King of Edessa.

"..., King Abgar also, who was renowned among the nation's on the east of the Euphrates for his valour, had his body wasting away with a grievous disease, such as there is no cure for among men. ..."

So introduced a scribe a King of good name, character, who is a believer the the miracles of/and the Messiah (as), really sick, who gets healed by the Apostle of Isa (as) Thaddeus/Thaddai on order from Judah Tammus, brother of Yakov, Simon, Joses(I really think is Barnabus because I have read Codes Bezae aka "Western Acts" and is called Barnabas Justus instead of Joses Justus, Aramaic Zaddik or Righteous One, a serious title of the few "Pillars" for whom world exists in ancient and modern Hebrew theology/mythos; Gospel of Thomas, Sefer ha-Zohar, Mariam (sa) a Levite relative of Prophet and Priest Zechariah and his wife Elizabeth, brought up a Temple virgin, daughter of Aaron (sa), the foster brothers of Isa(as) ).

Sorry about the digression but it's need.

Footnote 4 says "By this title all the Toparchs of Edessa were called, just as Roman Emporers were called Ceasars,..."

then..."Abgar in Syriac means 'lame.' "

I am willing to bet not all Eddessan "Toparchs" were infirmed necessitating making a play on words a Dynastic title for "All."

So what gives with ignoring the obvious etymological connection to "Akbar" as in "Allahu Akbar." There is ample  a much greater chance "Greatest" is the meaning, since g and k from Semitic to Latin (Gama/Kama) is common, and the evolution of language a la ibn to the now common bin, for "son of" many other instances like Syriac to Arabic possible loan words having letters reversed (Esu/as3) would easily explain what is already just obvious.


More of an issue for another place, I had to first mention it. It's so strange.

This is the scholar chosen to translates important possibly 1st century work.

I will share later the notes claiming that non mention of Paul was Middle age tampering offering nothing to support it.

"The failure to praise [Paul] the work of him who "laboured more abundantly than all others" is noteworthy,  and CAN ONLY be accounted for by Middle age corruption of the text."

Or he was not important, liked, welcome, until centuries after he was dead, and possibly the simple mention, of nothing of importance just the names Paul and Timothy, a sentence coherent without the award mention. It's not insulting, so no reason exists to suspect corruption.

Paul testifies, he was hated in Asia, loved in Rome, and even that alleged honor is given Simon Peter here, not mentioned about Paul, not even mentioning him going to Rome!

Simon Magus, does, Simon Kepha on his trail to battle his false teachings in the debate in Homilies.

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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2017, 05:36:36 PM »

Teaching of Simon Cephas in the Ancient City of Rome.

The subject of the anti-Pauline faction and N.T. have been so thoroughly established, forgive my Reliance upon such an obscure genre, but I believe it has much to say, by it's almost total silence when it comes to "The Law was ordained by the angels " Saul/Paul (yes he did write that despite no hint in Torah, any literature known, Paul is literally the only person besides Simon Magus to on record state this) is loudest of all.

Not something that escaped the editors, but here is what DID!

After a brief encounter with Simon the Sorcerer/Magus, Simon "fell not into their hands THAT DAY." Implying another day, he did fall into their hands, otherwise there is no need to say "that day."

Simon Cephas rules the region's of/and Rome, "served in the rank of the Superintendence of Rulers 25 years."

Then Simon Cephas is imprisoned by Nero, sets his affairs in order, and is crucified upside down.

Out of the blue Paul is mentioned, like paragraphs earlier Simon Magus gets away "that day" and for no reason is not mentioned, probably because it originally had or was verbally taught that Paul was actually Simon Magus.

A theory supported by scholars according the H. of Clement of Rome who are generally certain it is a parody,  but maybe one more true than a simple pseudonymous caricature.

Paul is Elisa ben Abuyah in the Jerusalem Talmud, Aher in the Babylonian Talmud, meaning "Other" because he uses "other " names, Saul/Paul/Simon (probably pretending to be Simon Peter) Elisah ben Abuyah the Jewish Apostate.

A Pallas, who wrote "Letters to incite the Jews of Syria" in book 20 of Josephus Antiquities, the chapter with all the New Testament doesn't people. A "Poleme of Cilicia" gets circumcised to get a woman, is rejected, and thus explains his obsessive hatred of the circumcised, and circumcision itself more so.

A story that is identical to the reports from the Church father's Iranaeus, Epiphanius, Eusebius too I believe, a sect of Hebrew believers called Ebionites, as well as the original and later Nazarenes, at this time still in Synagogues practicing submission, circled saying about Paul, a Greek convert-reject, the Talmud speaks much of his live of Greek learning, although not about any circumcised fiasco, though I think he might be against it because of a story about his father accidentally cursing him at his briss.

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Re: Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2017, 06:00:44 PM »


If one were to comb the writings of the first anti-Marcion, non Apocryphal so historical author, apologist Justin Marty, one might be shocked that Marcion is mentioned many times as theme subject of his polemic, Marcion was the first to use the Pauline Epistles, Justin knows of no Gospel, but a "Memoirs of the Apostles " and never cites a N.T. book or author, any quotes are only cited as words of Isa(as) from "Memoirs."

Next is Iranaeus, who finally mentions Paul and apparently Marcion was the real super missionary as his popular movement forced the acceptance of Paul in the otherwise pure Church, next you have the four forgeries in the name of people who saw almost nothing to nothing if what they wrote about.

I would not be surprised if Marcion was another name for Aher/Saul/Paul/Abuya/Simon, "All things to all men" I believe is how himself puts it.

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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2017, 11:47:19 PM »
Thanks for the link brother Ghazali, it's very informative...you didn't tell me the name of Douglas' article about Helel...i'm interested to read it...concerning 2 peter, according to him, the word  "dysnoetas" should be translated as "nonsensical"...i don't know if this is it's literal meaning or not but he says that Lucian used the same word when he was talking about Alexander's responses....

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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2017, 02:43:22 AM »
Ghazali,

Though Douglas is a unitarian i don't take him too seriously most of the time due to the fact that the "sect" he belongs in have some different beliefs and interpretations different from other unitarians for example about John 1:1...the only reason i showed the link was because of the quotes...thanks for those great comments by the way bro...

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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2017, 02:49:25 AM »
Brother Ghazali, i've got one question, you said that the universal epistles don't mention the crucifixion, can you please give some info about this?

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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2017, 02:18:19 PM »

The general Epistles are James, 1&2 Peter, 1,2,3 John, the "Pillars" of Apostles, with James being leader of, but not one of, the 12. BTW it's the exact hierarchical structure of the "Ebionim/Zaddikim" "(the) Way movement who left the DSS, Ebionim/Ebionites being the people most close to James/Yakov, or the "Poor" and "Poor Saints of Jerusalem" Paul mentions, coincidence or not....


And Jude (Judah Thomas).

1 Peter, which I was mistaken regarding and says :

2:24"carried up our sins in his body to the tree." (alt. translation in NRSV footnote)

But "cross" is used above.

1 Peter I never really concentrated on not because of that but because it sounds like Paul wrote it. Bit I know of no other mentions in those Epistles.

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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2017, 08:32:46 PM »
Thank you brother Ghazali, that was useful...👍

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Re: Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2017, 08:53:00 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I have added a new section called "Further discussion and research" to the following articles and made this thread the main link in it:

www.answering-christianity.com/false_christs_shortly_after_jesus.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/pauls_delusions.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/bible_sinless_men.htm


Jazakum Allah Khayr.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2017, 01:19:28 AM »
I would like to clarify one thing, Doug is not a Unitarian at all, yeah he's a monotheist but he doesn't consider himself a Unitarian....which kinda explains his different yet excellent arguments against the Trinity...