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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2017, 11:48:01 AM »
Mecca means destruction?  Where did you come up with this rubbish?  According to www.baheth.info, - a website that gives ample meanings from encyclopedic dictionaries, - Mecca was named as such because:

ومَكَّةُ معروفة، البلد الحرام، قيل: سميت بذلك لقلة مائها، وذلك أَنهم كانوا يَمْتَكُّون الماء فيها أي يستخرجونه


"Mecca, also known as the Holy City, is said was named as such because it the scarcity of its water, and that's because people YAMTAKOON the water in it, meaning they would extract it from the ground."

It makes perfect sense since Saudi Arabia has no rivers, and Mecca has the blessed well of Zamzam.

They gave many meanings, but none said or implied destruction.  Your source lied about the meaning of Mecca.



Very interestingly in the link above, one of the words that was derived from Mecca is MAKKOOK, which means a container.  And in today's Arabic, we do call the space ship AL-MAKKOOK AL-FADAAI.

AL = The.

MAKKOOK = Ship.

AL-FADAAI = One for space or in space.  FADAA' means space.  FADAAI means that of space or in space or belongs to space.  Like Iraq and Iraqi.  Israel and Israeli (Israelite).  Kuwait and Kuwati.

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2017, 12:40:59 PM »
This guy has probably never heard of Mihrabs,that argument is so dang old.

Trying to wriggle your way out with ill-researched one liners isn't going to make your black box worship historical.

Mihrabs were introduced so that the new prayer direction could be identified. The original prayer direction was... I don't need to say it, do I? It begins with the letter P.

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2017, 12:42:24 PM »
Then how about you go and pray to your Al Uzza and Manats and stop disrupting Muslims? That'll be better for you,now you sound like a christian missionary again.


Mihrabs were there in Older mosques aswell,for eg the Mali mosque,etc,etc.

Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2017, 04:46:35 PM »
Then how about you go and pray to your Al Uzza and Manats and stop disrupting Muslims? That'll be better for you,now you sound like a christian missionary again.


Mihrabs were there in Older mosques aswell,for eg the Mali mosque,etc,etc.

I don't sound like a Christian missionary, I'm about strict monotheism.

I sound more like prophet Ibrahim when he was preaching against idol worship, and you sound like his people who were angry when he destroyed their idols, since you want me to go away. We are to replicate the example of the previous prophets, so I will continue preaching against worship of the priestly classes (hadith writers/Saudi librarians/oligarchs/wealthy politicians) and what they write with their pens, because according to them and you Allah somehow needs appendment (nauzubillah).

You can certainly pray towards Mecca, like some righteous Jews pray towards Jeruselum, you just cannot claim that your chosen method is the only acceptable way.

I pray towards Mecca when I'm with my family or at Friday prayers.

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2017, 05:29:49 PM »
This is your disgustful misunderstanding of the hadith then,

First of all Its not that Allah SWT needs apendment,Hadith is only a recording to follow the example of the Prophet,after all the Quran says we must follow what the Prophet has said too.

Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2017, 06:43:01 PM »
This is your disgustful misunderstanding of the hadith then,

First of all Its not that Allah SWT needs apendment,Hadith is only a recording to follow the example of the Prophet,after all the Quran says we must follow what the Prophet has said too.

Great, so I guess we should all start bowing to black boxes because the government said that Muhammad said to do it, and the government never lies (sarcasm).

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2017, 07:11:19 PM »
Asalam ul laykum dear brothers and sisters. Been quite busy lately so never had time to comment on subjects.

New World Order Cleanse, i do 't see the issue here. In the Quran Allah swt made it pretty clear when he mentioned the following:

Quran [2:144] "SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face towardal-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do."

So what's the problem here? Clearly everyone knows that musjid al-Haram has always been in Makkah/Bakkah. There are reference from the Quran and Old Testament not just that but other historians. Your pointing out bias historians, so when u go to a doctor to get ur car fixed what happens? Exactly, ur taking expertise in a subject from those who shouldn't be looked as experts in the subject because they are not from the region nor did they look at research of the native people in arabic but rather read from other historians from times were there was termoil between different races and religions. All im saying is ur looking at the wrong people for information, because Allah swt already made it very clear in Quran. Also it wasn't the government that told us muslims to pray towards Kabba which is musjid al-Haram it was Allah swt and prophet Muhammad (pbuh) if u have problem withthat then i don't see how u can call urself a muslim. Sorry bro just being honest.

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #67 on: November 11, 2017, 12:06:24 AM »


Peace.

This is the one instance of this root of "Mekka". By comparative Quranic analysis of "Bibatni" and the lexicons, "Bibatni Mekka" translates to "belly of destruction", not "midst of Mekka (city)". Mecca today is not in a belly-like structure, and so fails to impress on these sparse descriptions within the Quran.

Your religion is a psychological operation, look up what that is. The 9/11 inside job is a great example of a psychological operation that is easily demonstrable.
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Yes, sure. Whatever you say. Virginia means virgin. Therefore, people are virgins hahaha.

In fact, I'm living in a small town in Pennslyvania. It's called State College. So, this town is all about state college, right?

Philadelphia means "brotherly love". According to sources, this fancy word came from the new testament.

The same thing with Medinah. It means "city".
And many other examples as well.

Your argument is dumb and hilarious.

9/11 is a serious mystery. We know that the U.S. and Israeli governments have a lot of classified documents that are related to 9/11.

And now they accused Saudi Arabia for claiming 9/11? This is going too far! I really hope WikiLeak can hack classified documents from Israeli-American government.

You can disagree all you want, but many non-Muslims agree with us. Ironically, I heard an American preacher believe that the U.S. government had been responsible for 9/11.

And did you know that the Pentagon secretly paid a half of a billion dollars for making fake al-Qaeda's videos during US invasing in Iraq?

Oh by the way, President Trump ordered to release classified files about John F. Kenedy, but some federal officials urged him not to release some high-sensitive files for security reasons.

Jeez, I wonder why.
 
And you still refuse to answer my simple question.

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2017, 12:28:50 AM »
dang old.
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Trying to wriggle your way out with ill-researched one liners isn't going to make your black box worship historical.

Mihrabs were introduced so that the new prayer direction could be identified. The original prayer direction was... I don't need to say it, do I? It begins with the letter P.
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Yes Mr. NWO. I know the exact answer. P means piss.


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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2017, 12:42:37 AM »
NWO Cleanse, please address my refutation to your source above.  I don't mind opposing views being posted here and discussed, but I don't tolerate clowns and liars.  Not accusing you of this, but do not weasel around the refutations.

You said that your source says Mecca in the lexicon means destruction.  I've gone through the dictionaries online and have not found it.  Please provide the proof here.

I've googled your definition and saw some empty loons pushing this idea on blogs, and all of their garbage thoroughly refuted by Arabs who used dictionaries and Arabic grammatical rules.  If you do not respond to this, then I will immediately ban you.  I don't need your rubbish rhetoric and lies here.  I respect real substance and love to learn from it and debate it, but not lies.


In one of blogs, one of your infidels spewed this rubbish:

"MKKH مكة  means "destruction" in the same way that the same form NKBH  نكبة means "disaster" (same exact form F3LH). This is a mundane form and a well known fact in Arabic that only the most ignorant can deny."

Taking advantage of the people's ignorance in Arabic, this anti-Islam prostitute lied by taking advantage of the similar sound of the two very-different words.  Here we have:

MECCA and NAKBA.  I've already shown above why Mecca was named as such.  But nakba means calamity.  The two words are entirely different.  They're not even spelling anywhere close to each other.  They just appear to the non-Arab as such.  Here is the proof:


MECCA is spelled as M, K, T

NAKBA is spelled as  N, K, B, T


Do you see people how the Arabic infidel prostitutes operate?  They fool the ignorant like our ignorant NWO Cleanse here with rubbish and they appear as scholars.


This is like saying "school" means evil, because "cruel" means one who intentionally causes pain and harm to others.  They both sound similar.  Just shut the hell up!




Will blame each other:

These infidel prostitutes remind me of this Noble Verse:

[007:038]  God shall say unto them at the resurrection, enter ye with the nations which have preceded you, of genii and of men, into hell fire: So often as one nation shall enter, it shall curse its sister, until they shall all have successively entered therein. The latter of them shall say of the former of them, O Lord, these have seduced us; therefore inflict on them a double punishment of the fire of hell. God shall answer, it shall be doubled unto all; but ye know it not.

The Day will come when these doomed-to-Hell infidels will turn on each other.  They can enjoy their current pathetic heaven from the cursed satan.  But the doom of Hell is near and real.  The Glorious Quran is Islam's Miracle.  It speaks Truth and Its Promises are all real, because they are from Allah Almighty.

To the reader, visit the following links to see the Glorious Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm


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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #70 on: November 11, 2017, 01:20:11 AM »
NWO Cleanse, let's wrap this nonsense up.  Either you directly respond to my latest post or begone.

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2017, 01:40:05 AM »
And don't forget to answer my simple question, NWO.

Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #72 on: November 11, 2017, 04:58:42 AM »
NWO Cleanse, let's wrap this nonsense up.  Either you directly respond to my latest post or begone.

Peace.

I can't comment on the Arabic language, you might be right; I'm going to consult people who are skilled in Arabic. But Mecca at this juncture cannot mean the city Mecca today, because of everything I've said previously. If it did it would make everything messy.

Yes, I am entirely open to being proven wrong and learning. The goal is to strive to understand the Quran as it is, not assume conclusions from external literatures.

Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #73 on: November 11, 2017, 05:24:46 AM »


Peace.

This is the one instance of this root of "Mekka". By comparative Quranic analysis of "Bibatni" and the lexicons, "Bibatni Mekka" translates to "belly of destruction", not "midst of Mekka (city)". Mecca today is not in a belly-like structure, and so fails to impress on these sparse descriptions within the Quran.

Your religion is a psychological operation, look up what that is. The 9/11 inside job is a great example of a psychological operation that is easily demonstrable.

Yes, sure. Whatever you say. Virginia means virgin. Therefore, people are virgins hahaha.

In fact, I'm living in a small town in Pennslyvania. It's called State College. So, this town is all about state college, right?

Philadelphia means "brotherly love". According to sources, this fancy word came from the new testament.

The same thing with Medinah. It means "city".
And many other examples as well.

Your argument is dumb and hilarious.

9/11 is a serious mystery. We know that the U.S. and Israeli governments have a lot of classified documents that are related to 9/11.

And now they accused Saudi Arabia for claiming 9/11? This is going too far! I really hope WikiLeak can hack classified documents from Israeli-American government.

You can disagree all you want, but many non-Muslims agree with us. Ironically, I heard an American preacher believe that the U.S. government had been responsible for 9/11.

And did you know that the Pentagon secretly paid a half of a billion dollars for making fake al-Qaeda's videos during US invasing in Iraq?

Oh by the way, President Trump ordered to release classified files about John F. Kenedy, but some federal officials urged him not to release some high-sensitive files for security reasons.

Jeez, I wonder why.
 
And you still refuse to answer my simple question.
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You misunderstood me. I know 9/11 is an inside job, therefore it is a psychological operation. Debris was ejected very far from the site, indicating preset explosives, and it was a perfect pancake demolition, plane's can't cause that. I go to the big fat evidence, not spurious literatures.

Likewise, when analysing Mecca, I go to the big fat evidences e.g. the early mosque orientations, the maps etc. Not spurious literatures (ptolemy, diadorus etc).

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #74 on: November 11, 2017, 08:22:28 AM »
You quite handily ignore the incense trade route map and the silk road map.