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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2017, 08:52:21 AM »
You quite handily ignore the incense trade route map and the silk road map.

Show me the map with the incense trade route map and the silk road map with Mecca's name on it, in the same vicinity.

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2017, 09:20:12 AM »
This website format aint that good,i cant post pics easily,

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #80 on: November 11, 2017, 09:26:11 AM »
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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #81 on: November 11, 2017, 09:29:48 AM »


Peace.

Can you please provide the dating of this trade route (is it pre-Islamic, Islamic, or post-Islamic?), and can you provide a historical map (not digitized) that corroborates with this dating?

If there was such a map, I'm sure the skeptical historians wouldn't have missed it.

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #83 on: November 11, 2017, 09:45:30 AM »
Dan Gibson never provided any ancient Map nor did Sam gerrans,

I provided historical maps like Ptolemy's map,what about it?

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #84 on: November 11, 2017, 03:06:30 PM »
NWO Cleanse, let's wrap this nonsense up.  Either you directly respond to my latest post or begone.

Peace.

I can't comment on the Arabic language, you might be right; I'm going to consult people who are skilled in Arabic. But Mecca at this juncture cannot mean the city Mecca today, because of everything I've said previously. If it did it would make everything messy.

Yes, I am entirely open to being proven wrong and learning. The goal is to strive to understand the Quran as it is, not assume conclusions from external literatures.

It doesn't matter. Mecca is a city in the Arabian Peninsula, and I've never heard that Petra is a holy land for Muslims.
Currently, there is no evidence that Muhammad (phub) was born in Petra. Not in the Qur'an or Hadith, or even Islamic history.
 

Your claim is dumb because Qur'an actually mentioned about Mecca in 1,400 years ago. Where in the Qur'an that mentioned Petra? Answer now!

In fact, all English translators, including doctors and non-Muslims, agreed that the Qur'an mentioned Mecca in 48:24.
http://islamawakened.com/quran/48/24/


NWO, just give up already. Mecca is a historical city, but Petra is useless.

Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #85 on: November 11, 2017, 04:35:16 PM »
NWO Cleanse, let's wrap this nonsense up.  Either you directly respond to my latest post or begone.

Peace.

I can't comment on the Arabic language, you might be right; I'm going to consult people who are skilled in Arabic. But Mecca at this juncture cannot mean the city Mecca today, because of everything I've said previously. If it did it would make everything messy.

Yes, I am entirely open to being proven wrong and learning. The goal is to strive to understand the Quran as it is, not assume conclusions from external literatures.

It doesn't matter. Mecca is a city in the Arabian Peninsula, and I've never heard that Petra is a holy land for Muslims.
Currently, there is no evidence that Muhammad (phub) was born in Petra. Not in the Qur'an or Hadith, or even Islamic history.
 

Your claim is dumb because Qur'an actually mentioned about Mecca in 1,400 years ago. Where in the Qur'an that mentioned Petra? Answer now!

In fact, all English translators, including doctors and non-Muslims, agreed that the Qur'an mentioned Mecca in 48:24.
http://islamawakened.com/quran/48/24/


NWO, just give up already. Mecca is a historical city, but Petra is useless.

Qiblah.

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Qiblah Mass cencorship.

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #86 on: November 11, 2017, 09:51:28 PM »
Your view is non Quranic,its worthless arguing with you.

Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer). (Surah Al-Baqara, 125)

From whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; that is indeed the truth from the Lord.And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. (Surah Al-Baqara, 149)

Behold! Safa and Marwa are among the Symbols of Allah.So if those who visit the House in the Season or at other times, should compass them round, it is no sin in them.And if any one obeyeth his own impulse to good,- be sure that Allah is He Who recogniseth and knoweth. (Surah Al-Baqara, 158)

And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them.Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. (Surah Al-Baqara, 191)

And complete the Hajj or 'umra in the service of Allah.But if ye are prevented (From completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice.And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (Necessitating shaving), (He should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the 'umra on to the hajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the hajj and seven days on his return, Making ten days in all.This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque.And fear Allah, and know that Allah Is strict in punishment. (Surah Al-Baqara, 196)

O ye who believe! Violate not the sanctity of the symbols of Allah, nor of the sacred month, nor of the animals brought for sacrifice, nor the garlands that mark out such animals, nor the people resorting to the sacred house, seeking of the bounty and good pleasure of their Lord.But when ye are clear of the sacred precincts and of pilgrim garb, ye may hunt and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part).Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah.for Allah is strict in punishment. (Surah Al-Ma’ida, 2)

But what plea have they that Allah should not punish them, when they keep out (men) from the sacred Mosque - and they are not its guardians? No men can be its guardians except the righteous; but most of them do not understand. (Surah Al-Anfal, 34)

Their prayer at the House (of Allah.is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands: (Its only answer can be), "Taste ye the penalty because ye blasphemed." (Surah Al-Anfal, 35)

How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous. (Surah At-Tawba, 7)

Do ye make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Sacred Mosque, equal to (the pious service of) those who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and strive with might and main in the cause of Allah.They are not comparable in the sight of Allah.and Allah guides not those who do wrong. (Surah At-Tawba, 19)

Glory to ((Allah)) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things). (Surah Al-Isra’, 1)


Now tell me,seeing all these verses,wheres Petra? Nowhere. Nor can Petra be the sacred Mosque because

1.No evidence saying Abraham built Petra
2.Its a christian place with Idols and churches,from basic knowledge we know the idols were broken,so how ckme there are idols there?
3.It has churches,no sacred mosque to be found again.

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #87 on: November 11, 2017, 10:04:35 PM »
Btw Mecca is a valley,arabian valleys kind of look like this



And this is how Mountains of Mecca look like,this is an old image of Mecca before the Valley was destroyed by Wahhabists/and or inhabited by Buildings



So Mecca IS a Valley.

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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #88 on: November 11, 2017, 10:07:09 PM »
Infact even Modern Mecca has sorrounding Mountains and is a complete Valley,still


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Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« Reply #89 on: November 11, 2017, 11:00:23 PM »
The only figure in that can be relate to Petra was Paul based on Christians tradition , as Paul interpreted the verse Isaiah 42:11 as Petra , hence he visited Petra to fulfill the prophecy of new religion where God decided to adopt the way of Hellenistic worshiping by manifesting into a human body as a son of God giving salvation to mankind.