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Offline Zakir

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I want a detailed rebuttal
« on: January 02, 2018, 07:42:19 PM »
Look guys instead of telling me this is a load of junk please refute some stuff put a number , the point and then a refutation.
Here is the link: <infidel link removed>
Please bring topics up so we can refute them point by point.
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Offline shaad

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Re: I want a detailed rebuttal
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2018, 10:52:09 PM »
Oh well a Trinitarian website...anyway I've read the article, they've brought nothing new really...the arguments seems more like the early days of Answering Islam ...it's a long article and i don't know who will write a detailed refutation over here but you can easily find refutations to their points on DTT or Osama's website... Osama will delete your link anyway so maybe you should post their points one by one to make it easier for us... How does that sound?

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Re: I want a detailed rebuttal
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2018, 11:22:15 PM »
I know what i said is not very helpful but let's be real, it's a long article with lots of points that's why you should post them one by one....

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Re: I want a detailed rebuttal
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2018, 07:42:20 AM »
Point 1:
Dear Christians and Muslims.  Jesus is committed to winning the spiritual Holy War.  He wants nobody to suffer an eternity without God, confined to a godless place.  Know this, that God Himself is calling out those Muslims with good hearts! Jesus (Isa) Himself is appearing to many.  A few years ago, Al-Jazeera reported that roughly six million Muslims are leaving Islam and becoming followers of Jesus every year in Africa. In 2005, roughly 250,000 Muslims converted to Christianity in Iran. Between 2003-2005, roughly 1 million Muslims converted to Christianity in Arab countries. Muslims are coming to Christ in North America, too, although not to the same extent as in Muslim countries.  Tens of millions are embracing Jesus every few years in India and in China.  Chinese missionaries are now gearing up to bring the Gospel of Jesus to dark Muslim places.

The Muslim Qur'an (Koran) and Muslim Hadith are unique among all the sacred writings in the entire world -- because they alone counsel its followers to make war on unbelievers. Any thoughtful reader will be forced to admit that evil literally "drips" from their pages.  One in every 55 verses in the Muslim Qur'an consists of this fake god Allah insisting that Muslims make war on unbelievers.

As you will see below, the Qur'an is a made up book of gibberish, of evil verses abrogating (superseding) peaceful verses.
The Qur'an cannot be trusted because it contains numerous "divinely inspired" contradictions.  If God has a history of abrogating (changing) his own revelations as is done in the Qur'an, then how can we be certain he will not abrogate it again in the future?  If Allah can abrogate his eternal speech, how can you trust him with your eternal soul?

Comparing the Bible with the Qur'an "has likewise brought the firm realization that the contrast is stark and astounding.  The superiority of the Bible is so transparently evident that one is flabbergasted and dumbfounded that so many human beings have embraced Islam in the last 1,400 years". .. "The Quran lacks this heavenly manifestation of inspiration". The Quran Unveiled, page 254 

 

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Re: I want a detailed rebuttal
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2018, 08:06:45 AM »
Point 2 :
The Jewish and Christian Bibles were written by "inspired men of God" who immediately committed God's Word to writing.  Islam doesn't even have either an original or inspired Qur'an. The Muslim Qur'an was made up supposedly from "memory" from those who supposedly committed the words of Muhammad to memory, and from a few scraps found under a bed.  This was originally begun about 15-20 years after Muhammad died at his wife Ayish's home in Medina, and he was lowered into a hole in the ground, where he remains.  The compilation was not finished until at least 150 years after Muhammad's death.  This "hearsay" argument seriously brings the credibility of the Qur'an into question.  But, that's only the beginning.  All the errors, including simple mathematical and historical errors you will see in the Qur'an below renders it impossible to be a divine revelation.

Al Bukhari, a Muslim scholar of the 9th-10th century, and the most authoritative of the Muslim tradition compilers, writes that whenever Muhammad fell into one of his unpredictable trances his revelations were written on whatever was handy at the time. The leg or thigh bones of dead animals were used, as well as palm leaves, parchments, papers, skins, mats, stones, and bark. And when there was nothing at hand the attempt was made by his disciples to memorize it as closely as possible.

Zaid b. Thabit said:  “The Prophet died and the Qur’an had not been assembled into a single place.” (p. 118, Ahmad b. `Ali b. Muhammad al `Asqalani, ibn Hajar, "Fath al Bari", 13 vols, Cairo, 1939/1348, volume 9, page 9)

Zuhri reports, 'We have heard that many Qur'an passages were revealed but that those who had memorized them fell in the Yemama fighting. Those passages had not been written down, and following the deaths of those who knew them, were no longer known; nor had Abu Bakr, nor `Umar nor `Uthman as yet collected the texts of the Qur'an.

“During the battle of Yamama, 450 reciters of the Quran were killed.” (The True Guidance, An Introduction To Quranic Studies, part 4 [Light of Life - P.O. BOX 13, A-9503 Villach, Austria], p. 47- citing Ibn Kathir’s Al-Bidaya wa al-Nibaya, chapter on Battle of Yamama).

Muhammad's child wife said this after Muhammad died:
"The verse of the stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed.  When the messenger of Allah expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper."
 

References: Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal. vol. 6. page 269; Sunan Ibn Majah, page 626; Ibn Qutbah, Tawil Mukhtalafi 'l-Hadith (Cairo: Maktaba al-Kulliyat al-Azhariyya. 1966) page 310; As-Suyuti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthur, vol. 2. page 13
 
As to the Taurat (Torah), Jewish scribes painstakingly copied it via a system of checking, double checking and adding each letter on each line. Any attempt to change something in the Torah would have resulted in immediate discovery and condemnation.  And copies of the Torah from around the world agree exactly.   Thousands of the Hebrew Old Testament manuscript copies are still available for textual criticism, ranging in age from the second century B.C. (Before Christ) to the eleventh century A.D. (After Christ).

The Qur'an is not an authentic book or revelation.

There are no Arabic chronicles of Islam from the first century of Islam.  Many of the earliest documents known about Islam refer to the followers of Muhammad as "hagarenes," and the "tribe of Ishmael," in other words as descendants of Hagar, the servant girl that the Jewish patriarch Abraham used to father his son Ishmael.

This same quality of transmission we find regarding the Jewish and Christian bible cannot be said of the Islamic Qur'an.  The Islamic Qur'an was mostly written down from 3rd and 4th hand accounts; and from a few thoughts written on scrap papers, palm leaves and stones --and compiled over 150 years after Muhammad died in 632 A.D.  In the Mishtatu ‘lMasabih, chapter 3, we are informed that by the command of the first Caliph, Abu Bakr, the text of the Qur’an was “collected” by Zaid ibn Thabit “from palm leaves and stones and from the breasts of those who had learned by heart” the various revelations." Abu Bakr’s copy came into the possession of Hafsah, one of Muhammad’s widows.  Qustalani states that after Hafsah’s death her copy was torn to pieces by Mirwan, who was governor of Medina.

The oldest Qur'an dates from around 790 A.D. (after Jesus), and it is in the British Library. That's 158 years after Muhammad’s death. See corrupted Qur'an here .

Muslims often claim that the manuscript of the Qur'an housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey is one of the oldest sources.  Muslims say it dates from around 650 A.D. There is an insurmountable problem with this.  This document is written in Kufic (also known as al-Khatt al-Kufi) script. Coins in the British Museum show that the first coins using the Kufic script date from the mid to end of the 8th century (750-800 A.D.).  The only script used during and after Muhammad's days was the Jazm script.  These earliest copies of the Qur'an are written without vowels and diacritical dots that modern Arabic uses to make it clear what letter is intended. In the eighth and ninth centuries, more than a century after this

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Re: I want a detailed rebuttal
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2018, 09:08:45 AM »
Point 3 :
According to Surah 25 (Al-Furqan), Verse 63, Muslims are “slaves of the Most Beneficent [Allah].”  So, it should surprise nobody that slavery is practiced in Muslim countries, such as Somalia, Indonesia, and Saudi Arabia (which holds about 250,000 slaves within its borders, about 1/3 of all slaves within the Islamic World).  Not a single Muslim country is run according to freedom-loving traditions.  The concept of Human Rights, Western-style, does not exist.  Women and children have no rights and must be assigned to the possession of a man.

President Thomas Jefferson fought America’s first anti-Islamic war, because Muslim pirates were kidnaping and enslaving thousands of seafaring Americans.  Jefferson had read the Koran, so he was not surprised by the Barbary States’ Islamic claim of the right to commit piracy against peaceful American merchant vessels.  Jefferson once wrote of a Muslim ambassador’s view that, according to the Koran, “all Nations who should not have acknowledged their [Islamic] authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

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Re: I want a detailed rebuttal
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2018, 09:14:09 AM »
Point 4 :
There is a sahih hadith saying " I am the prope who laughs when killing somebody"
I'm not sure which hadith it is but apparently it's sahih had it.

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Re: I want a detailed rebuttal
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2018, 09:32:31 AM »
Point 1 is Biased as  it shows no source,so it is a assertion.

Point 2,is a lie in many cases,first of all,even the Bible was compiled throughout time,why do we have books of John,matthew,etc? As for Quran,you see Quran was compiled in Papers and leathers back in the day,so thats why it took a while to compile into the compiled Quran we have today.
zuhri's report is unauthentic as it has no source,and whar about Ali R.A? WHO KNEW the whole Quran,what about Aisha the wife of the Prophet who had finished the whole Quran to? What about Hasan and Hussein R.A,rubbish point by christians,as usual,as for the last things he said,FALSE what about the Birmingham Quran manuscript which is between 568-648(around 628),even non muslim sources disagree wih his point,

Point 3

WHAT?! HOW DOES THAT VERSE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SLAVERY?!
For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord's freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ's slave. 1 corinthians 7;22,does this mean The Bible promotes slavery too?! Rubbish point,
Thomas Jeffersons war WAS NOT ANTI ISLAMIC,it was civil,the quote is false too,and nor had Thomas Jefferskn even read the Quran,Thomas Jefferson had this to say "Nor Pagan Nor Muhammadan(Muslim) Nor a jew,ought to be excluded from thr civil right of the commonwealth because of his religion"-Thomas Jefferson

Point 4,assertion,no proof

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Re: I want a detailed rebuttal
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2018, 09:57:37 AM »

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Re: I want a detailed rebuttal
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2018, 10:19:32 AM »
@Zakir The link will make you jump straight into the comments, just scroll up to see the verses ☺

Oh i forgot, I guess that should be point number 1 because the article starts talking about violent verses and stuff ☺