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Does anyone know this hadith?
« on: March 16, 2018, 08:37:13 PM »

Sahih Bukhari Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 220.
Narated By Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

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Re: Does anyone know this hadith?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2018, 06:51:20 AM »
What about it


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Re: Does anyone know this hadith?
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2018, 06:55:39 AM »
"(cast in the hearts of the enemy)"

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Re: Does anyone know this hadith?
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2018, 01:03:25 PM »
The terror thing, and ive read from a non muslim source about muhammad saw that us muslims back then wouldve been very brutal n stuff im scared that might be true

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Re: Does anyone know this hadith?
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2018, 02:38:50 PM »
Watch iJihad episode 4 about understanding of terrorism.




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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2018, 03:19:53 PM »
 By using the word 'Terror' for ru'b, the Islam-hater intends to convey the following definition of terror:

        Violence committed or threatened by a group to intimidate or coerce a population, as for military or political purposes. (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition)

However, the word ru'b does not have that meaning at all. It refers to fright and anxiety. In fact, we can derive a better understanding of ru'b by examing other ahadith:

        The Prophet (peace be upon him) saod: "I was given victory through Ru`b: the enemy becomes filled with Ru`b even though they are the distance of a month's journey away from me." (Ahmad #20337)

The meaning is thus obvious that when the enemies' attempts to detroy the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) failed, they began to fear him as he grew in strength in Arabia and gained more followers. They feared and hated the religion he brought which preached equality and morality and would remove them from their position of corrupt tyrants who enslaved the poor and the non-arabs. It was fear of the mysterious power which granted Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his followers such rapid success. This fear was not the fear that resulted from past combat, as many Islam-haters would have us believe, rather it was a type of fear which prevented further combat. As Jalal Abualrub notes:

        Ru`b ', means, ‘Fear': Here is a list of some of the Islamic resources explaining, ‘Ru`b', as, ‘Fear', and, ‘Awe': Fat`h al-Bari bi Shar`h Sahih al-Bukhari ; Tu`hfat al-A`hwadhi bi Shar'h Jami' at-Tirmidhi ; and, Shar`h Sunan an-Nasaii . These books were written by Muslim Scholars explaining Hadeeths contained in, Sahih al-Bukhari , and the Sunan collections of Imams at-Tirmidhi and an-Nasaii, respectively.... ...Al-Waqidi said in his, Maghazi , that Juwairiyah Bint al-Harith said, “ We were at the Muraisii` area when the Messenger of Allah marched forth towards us. I heard my father say, ‘There has come to us a gathering that we cannot resist.' I saw men and horses in such numbers that I cannot describe. After I became Muslim and the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, married me I looked at the Muslims and found their numbers to be less than what I had thought. I knew that this was Ru`b that Allah, the Exalted, throws in the hearts of the polytheists.' ” There are many similar examples in which the enemies of Islam, who, just like the Muraisii` people, had gathered armies to attack Madinah and the Prophet, scattered throughout the desert in fear when they heard that the Prophet had gathered an army to resist their treacherous attacks. Many lives were saved through Allah throwing fear in the hearts of the enemies of Muhammad, peace be upon them, because his enemies feared him, fled and did not meet him in battle. Thus, ‘fear', in the Hadeeth...saved Muslims and many of their enemies the hardship of battle and warfare. (Abualrub, The Prophet of Mercy, emphasis added)

hence, the fear that the disbelievers had of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) can justly be compared to the fear a thief or murderer would have of a police officer. In fact, a Police officer would desire that criminals fear the law in order to maintain a safe and secure society.

Some crtitics also claim that this narration proves that the motivation of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was money due to the phrase, "the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and placed in my hand". Of course they omit the phrase before that - "While I was asleep". Jalal Abualrub comments on this deceptive tactic as follows:

        By doing so, it would appear that the Prophet, peace be upon him, was seeking or wishing to acquire other people's wealth for himself. Contrary to this false illusion, this was a vision that the Prophet saw which contained glad tidings for the generations of Muslims to come. This is why in the same Hadeeth, Abu Hurairah added, as al-Bukhari and Muslim reported from him, “ Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them). (Abualrub, The Prophet of Mercy)

There are thousands of narrations which confirm that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) lived a simple life in poverty despite the power and strength he acquired as a leader. Here are a few of such narrations:

        Narrated 'Aisha: The family of Muhammad had never eaten their fill of wheat bread for three successive days since they had migrated to Medina till the death of the Prophet. (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 461)

Narrated 'Aisha: The family of Muhammad did not eat two meals on one day, but one of the two was of dates. (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 462)

Narrated 'Aisha: The bed mattress of the Prophet was made of a leather case stuffed with palm fibres. (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 463)

Narrated Qatada: We used to go to Anas bin Malik and see his baker standing (preparing the bread). Anas said, "Eat. I have not known that the Prophet ever saw a thin well-baked loaf of bread till he died, and he never saw a roasted sheep with his eyes." (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 464)

Narrated 'Aisha: A complete month would pass by during which we would not make a fire (for cooking), and our food used to be only dates and water unless we were given a present of some meat. (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 465)

In truth, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) never desired anything of the worldly pleasures. His mission was solely to please his Lord and spread the true message across the land, calling people to morality, justice and peace achieved through submission to God.

http://comparativreligion.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/narration-5-i-have-been-made-victorious.html

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Re: Does anyone know this hadith?
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2018, 08:39:53 PM »
By using the word 'Terror' for ru'b, the Islam-hater intends to convey the following definition of terror:

        Violence committed or threatened by a group to intimidate or coerce a population, as for military or political purposes. (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition)

However, the word ru'b does not have that meaning at all. It refers to fright and anxiety. In fact, we can derive a better understanding of ru'b by examing other ahadith:

        The Prophet (peace be upon him) saod: "I was given victory through Ru`b: the enemy becomes filled with Ru`b even though they are the distance of a month's journey away from me." (Ahmad #20337)

The meaning is thus obvious that when the enemies' attempts to detroy the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) failed, they began to fear him as he grew in strength in Arabia and gained more followers. They feared and hated the religion he brought which preached equality and morality and would remove them from their position of corrupt tyrants who enslaved the poor and the non-arabs. It was fear of the mysterious power which granted Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his followers such rapid success. This fear was not the fear that resulted from past combat, as many Islam-haters would have us believe, rather it was a type of fear which prevented further combat. As Jalal Abualrub notes:

        Ru`b ', means, ‘Fear': Here is a list of some of the Islamic resources explaining, ‘Ru`b', as, ‘Fear', and, ‘Awe': Fat`h al-Bari bi Shar`h Sahih al-Bukhari ; Tu`hfat al-A`hwadhi bi Shar'h Jami' at-Tirmidhi ; and, Shar`h Sunan an-Nasaii . These books were written by Muslim Scholars explaining Hadeeths contained in, Sahih al-Bukhari , and the Sunan collections of Imams at-Tirmidhi and an-Nasaii, respectively.... ...Al-Waqidi said in his, Maghazi , that Juwairiyah Bint al-Harith said, “ We were at the Muraisii` area when the Messenger of Allah marched forth towards us. I heard my father say, ‘There has come to us a gathering that we cannot resist.' I saw men and horses in such numbers that I cannot describe. After I became Muslim and the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, married me I looked at the Muslims and found their numbers to be less than what I had thought. I knew that this was Ru`b that Allah, the Exalted, throws in the hearts of the polytheists.' ” There are many similar examples in which the enemies of Islam, who, just like the Muraisii` people, had gathered armies to attack Madinah and the Prophet, scattered throughout the desert in fear when they heard that the Prophet had gathered an army to resist their treacherous attacks. Many lives were saved through Allah throwing fear in the hearts of the enemies of Muhammad, peace be upon them, because his enemies feared him, fled and did not meet him in battle. Thus, ‘fear', in the Hadeeth...saved Muslims and many of their enemies the hardship of battle and warfare. (Abualrub, The Prophet of Mercy, emphasis added)

hence, the fear that the disbelievers had of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) can justly be compared to the fear a thief or murderer would have of a police officer. In fact, a Police officer would desire that criminals fear the law in order to maintain a safe and secure society.

Some crtitics also claim that this narration proves that the motivation of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was money due to the phrase, "the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and placed in my hand". Of course they omit the phrase before that - "While I was asleep". Jalal Abualrub comments on this deceptive tactic as follows:

        By doing so, it would appear that the Prophet, peace be upon him, was seeking or wishing to acquire other people's wealth for himself. Contrary to this false illusion, this was a vision that the Prophet saw which contained glad tidings for the generations of Muslims to come. This is why in the same Hadeeth, Abu Hurairah added, as al-Bukhari and Muslim reported from him, “ Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them). (Abualrub, The Prophet of Mercy)

There are thousands of narrations which confirm that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) lived a simple life in poverty despite the power and strength he acquired as a leader. Here are a few of such narrations:

        Narrated 'Aisha: The family of Muhammad had never eaten their fill of wheat bread for three successive days since they had migrated to Medina till the death of the Prophet. (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 461)

Narrated 'Aisha: The family of Muhammad did not eat two meals on one day, but one of the two was of dates. (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 462)

Narrated 'Aisha: The bed mattress of the Prophet was made of a leather case stuffed with palm fibres. (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 463)

Narrated Qatada: We used to go to Anas bin Malik and see his baker standing (preparing the bread). Anas said, "Eat. I have not known that the Prophet ever saw a thin well-baked loaf of bread till he died, and he never saw a roasted sheep with his eyes." (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 464)

Narrated 'Aisha: A complete month would pass by during which we would not make a fire (for cooking), and our food used to be only dates and water unless we were given a present of some meat. (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 465)

In truth, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) never desired anything of the worldly pleasures. His mission was solely to please his Lord and spread the true message across the land, calling people to morality, justice and peace achieved through submission to God.

http://comparativreligion.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/narration-5-i-have-been-made-victorious.html

There are contexts to be read by, but often the text doesn’t state the preferred contexts, the text alone without fallible assumed contexts is violence, the history matches the texts.
 Ive sent your text to an islamophobes here is his response;

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2018, 08:41:57 PM »
And also this: I said it’s the mantra by others over and again when the texts are clear and match the history. For a reason. I’ve not slandered you or called you dumb great tactic you have.
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2018, 08:33:46 AM »
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There are contexts to be read by, but often the text doesn’t state the preferred contexts, the text alone without fallible assumed contexts is violence, the history matches the texts.
 Ive sent your text to an islamophobes here is his response;


Not true. Verses complete each other. For example,  the Quran says to kill unbelievers,  and another verse it says to attack only who attack you first.,  so we can understand that we can attack unbelievers who attack us first.

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Re: Does anyone know this hadith?
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2018, 09:02:22 AM »
terror = قعب

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2018, 07:34:40 PM »
terror = قعب
What do you mean here, brother?  This is not even an Arabic word.

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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2018, 05:15:12 AM »
[An islamophobe's response:] There are contexts to be read by, but often the text doesn’t state the preferred contexts, the text alone without fallible assumed contexts is violence, the history matches the texts.

Another way to respond is to point out the fact that Islam, or any other sufficiently complicated ideology for that matter, has to be taken holistically, as a whole, before any reliable conclusions can be drawn about its teachings.

One group of people, in the service of their interests, can take all the peaceful statements from Islam's primary and secondary sources and represent Islam as a completely pacifist religion; while another group can cherry-pick all the violent sentences and represent the religion in their preferred light. Only when something as complicated as an ideology is taken in its entirety, accurate conclusions regarding its teachings and leanings can be made.

To give a reversed example to what the "islamophobe" was referring to, I can say, that in light of the Qur'anic verse stating: anyone who kills one human being kills all of mankind, Islam is an almost completely pacifist religion. This text does not "state the preferred contexts" that disprove my conclusion, "the text alone without fallible assumed contexts is" peace, "the history", such as the general pardon for the inhabitants at the time of the conquest of Mecca, "matches the texts."

Additionally on a smaller note, some of the terms used by the "islamophobe" are quite fallacious and covertly misleading. "Preferred contexts", such as the contexts preferred by the islamophobe that portray Islam in a negative light. "fallible assumed contexts": Fallible by what measure? All of history is, to some small or large extent, fallible. Assumed by whom? Statements about the context aren't just drawn from thin air, there is usually some argument or some historical evidence to support it. "history matches the texts", except when it doesn't! Such as on the conquest of Mecca, which the islamophobe can quite conveniently, simply choose to ignore.

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2018, 10:22:30 PM »
terror = قعب
What do you mean here, brother?  This is not even an Arabic word.
رعب = terror

How about now?

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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2018, 05:39:26 AM »
رعب and خوف = fear

إرهاب = terror