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islamic belief fact or cooked up fiction?
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Re: islamic belief fact or cooked up fiction?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2018, 04:59:46 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum,

Please do not use colors, especially red, except if you're quoting the Glorious Quran.  Use only black.  Also, please don't over-use the large fonts.


The Ultimate Religion of Allah Almighty is Islam, and Allah Almighty Said that He sent customized versions of Islam to many of the people before us:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm#capsule
www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
  (section #3)

[005:048]  To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way لكل جعلنا منكم شرعة ومنهاجا. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;


Dr. Zakir Naik:

I was amazed at how Dr. Zakir Naik even proved that the books of Hinduism (a man-made name of the religion) prohibit idol worship and creating images of GOD Almighty.  They also clearly state that GOD Almighty is One:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dr.+Zakir+Naik+debates+with+hindues

Face To Face Sri Sri Ravi Shanker Vs Dr Zakir Naik - Concept Of God In Hinduism And Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_292rew2kQ&t=1442s

So the ultimate Religion is Islam, even among the pagans of today, it is still Islam.  People are corrupt, and their false religions are worthless.  Only Islam is the Truth.



The Glorious Quran's Miracle:


The Glorious Quran's Miracle is within It.  See the Holy Book's overwhelming Scientific and Numerical Miracles and Prophecies:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: islamic belief fact or cooked up fiction?
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2018, 04:29:24 AM »
@Shahii, repost a polished version here itself...

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Re: islamic belief fact or cooked up fiction?
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2018, 07:33:20 AM »
please dont delete this post once again. its not that easy to post this question.

we know that islam is the universal truth and the only religion accepted by God. it is also the only religion which speaks the universal truth that this life is a test made by god. hence only a person who knows islam (who knows the truth) could understand and work for it.

only a student who knows that he is in a classroom and a test will be conducted in the end, wishes and tries to study. a person without this knowledge will never even try to study.

according to https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-religions-in-the-world.html the following religions have the respective followers

•Judaism (13.9 million followers)
•Islam (1.605 billion followers)
•Sikhism (28 million followers)
•Daoism (93 million followers)
•Shintoism (104 million followers)
•Buddhism (488 million followers)
•Hinduism (1.05 billion followers)
•Christianity (2.22 billion followers)

Its been 1400 years since the last revelation has reached, the quran. in other words the truth has revealed. still after 1400 years islam is still the second largest religion on this planet.

1.why is that so? i mean doesn't God need others?

And we know that not every non muslim has read quran or has got this message of the quran. well i agree that many may have heard of quran but the message in it will not be known by all of them. well its sad to say that, even many people who are born to muslims dont even know this message. well from the above data its seen that nearly 3996.9 million followers are non muslims who may be living with us right now. well more or less its clearly seen that a minimum of quarter of these people (999.225 million followers) may not have reached the true message of islam. well for our discussion lets consider that only 1 million in those people have not got the real message.

even if that's the case how could 1 million people remain to be people who has not recieved message? if u are teacher will u let go of those 1 millions students who doesn't even know that u will conduct a test in the end?

2.if u really want to keep a test to test them and if u have the real power to gather all those million student, wont u gather them and instruct them?
3. isnt it wierd to hear that you as a teacher will let them go and put for them grace marks for not attending the test even when you had the power to gather?

i do know that its our duty as muslims to covey this message of  islam to all those non muslims. well if that's the case, just consider this example that,
  there was a mother who had three sons. Those sons went to play some game at morning. Mom reminded them when they left that they should come home by afternoon and should remind each other to come back home.. but she was sure that they would forget while they were busy playing. But by afternoon it was seen that two boys came back as one boy reminded reminded the other. Well even though the two boys could have reminded the third boy they missed it.
4. Is it the mistake of the children to remind the other or is it better mother herself go there by any means to call the third boy?

well from the above example we could understand how we humans and muslims are. even though its our mistake, it doesnt mean they should not be given this message by himself.

if we were to look through this world we could see thousands of non muslims who are kind and good in every aspect. sometimes i feel why they weren't given hidayath and it really hurts to see them die as a non muslim when comparing with some people who born in muslim families.

we know that its not because they(non-muslims) know or have proof to disbelieve islam, but they are non muslims because they were taught so by their parents. well even u may different opinions and different belief from other muslims which u may believe with your knowledge that you are on the true path. usually the word fate has been used as a word for convincing people that, it happened so and so because god has written that way. Even though we know that not everything was already predetermined. isn't that act of saying that Allah has sealed their hearts or saying that that person had a different fate and allah will judge him accordingly, just an act of convincing to satisfy ourselves.

so from all these points, isn't it more like the whole story and explanation is just a cooked up story? if not please provide your fruitful answers to my above questions.

note: examples are quoted in green and questions in blue.
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Re: islamic belief fact or cooked up fiction?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2018, 08:55:42 AM »
As for 1, that is a argument ad populum, you donot adhere to the populations opinions to find truth, or that way you may even become a flat earther.

2.The reason is, as the Quran says in 2:252, there is no compulsion in religion
So basically the thing is, even that is a fallacious argumsnr that way I can say since many people think Space exists, but have not gone to space,that means space doesnt exist,
Since there is no compulsion in religion and we were given free will,you see we have the decision to follow Islam or not as the Quran even says, you to your religion me to mine,to the kafir

3.as for the third, heres an answer

As for 1.
This has been answered by the following
Anyone who has not received the Da`wah (Invitation to Islaam) in the life of this world and died ignorant of the truth will be tested on the Day of Resurrection, according to the most correct opinion maintained by scholars. If they succeed (by accepting the truth), they will be admitted into Paradise. But if they oppose the truth, they will be cast into Hellfire.

This applies to all people categorized as Ahl-ul-Fatrah who have not received Da`wah.

The proof of this is in the following verse:

17:15 ...And never would We punish until We sent a messenger..

Moreover,

Imaam Ahmad in his Musnad (16301) said:

Allaah's Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said: "Four will have proofs (in their favor) on the Day of Standing: (1) A deaf man who could not hear anything; (2) a fool (who could not understand anything); (3) a feebly old man; and (4) a man who died in the fatrah (the period between prophets). As for the deaf man, then he will say: 'My Lord, Islaam came and I did not hear anything.' And as for the fool, then he will say, 'My Lord, Islaam came and the children were throwing dung at me.' And as for the feebly old man, then he will say, 'My Lord, Islaam came and I did not understand anything.' And as for the one who died in the fatrah (period between prophets), then he will say, 'My Lord, no messenger from you came to me.' So He (Allaah) will take oaths from them that they will obey Him (in what He is about to request from them), so it (an order) will be sent to them: 'Enter the Fire!' And verily by Him in whose Hand is my soul, if they entered it, it will be cool and soothing."

4.You're doing a false comparison here, you're comparing a mother whos careful,etc with Allah SWT our creator whos not in need of us, infact its a mercy he even created us, he does guide, he does give the message,etc but the lost one, its his fault for not coming to the message and ignoring it all the time because of his own desires.

Allah gave you breathe for free,everything for free, so would we not have to repay?

5. No it doesnt actually,dont mean to do an ad hominem but you seem ignorant of Islam I mean these all are simple you're basically saying that God should tske our free will away and make us his mindslaves.

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Re: islamic belief fact or cooked up fiction?
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2018, 09:39:29 AM »
Shahii, just use black and little bold.  I don't like your excessive colorings.  Do this and I won't delete your posts.

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Re: islamic belief fact or cooked up fiction?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2018, 09:53:21 AM »
Islam is the Original:

The original Religion of Allah Almighty is Islam:

"The Religion before God is Islam (الاسلام submission to His Will)...."
  (The Noble Quran, 3:19)

www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm

I already showed you above Allah Almighty Saying that He sent down customized Islams to the people before us.  I also showed you the links where even your pagan religions were originally Islam.



Majority in Hell:

There is nothing else to it.  Most of mankind are corrupt.  Allah Almighty will fill Hell with them all:

[011:119]  Except those on whom your Lord has mercy; and for this did He create them; and the word of your Lord is fulfilled: Certainly I will fill hell with the jinn and the men, all together.

Very straight forward and simple.  There is nothing else to it.  Now make sure that you don't end up there.



The Glorious Quran's Miracle:

Again, the Glorious Quran's Miracle is within It.  See the Holy Book's overwhelming Scientific and Numerical Miracles and Prophecies:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links



There is no circular argument here.  This is why I posted again the Glorious Quran's Miracles.  There is no circular empty argument here, where it goes like: Islam is the Truth, because the Quran says so, and the Quran is True because Islam says so.  We do not have that here when we see the Glorious Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles and Prophecies.


That's all there is to it.  Make sure you do not end up in Hell.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: islamic belief fact or cooked up fiction?
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 10:04:08 AM »
As for 1, that is a argument ad populum, you donot adhere to the populations opinions to find truth, or that way you may even become a flat earther.
the reason i mentioned is because as afar as we know and as its also given in this article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/01/islam-will-largest-religion-world-2070-says-report/ saying that islam will be the worlds largest religion by 2070. well the reason for such a growth as we muslims know is because truth is being understood by most people and people are converting to isalm and is not because of population bomb by muslims. i think u will agree with that. and as we know that hidhayah is from allah. that's the reason i asked 1.why is that so? i mean doesn't God need others?

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2.The reason is, as the Quran says in 2:252, there is no compulsion in religion
well.. i think u didnt got my point. just think for yourself, what will be the answer given by any layman or any other beggar if u were to ask him what is life? the chances for him to say that life is a test made by god is too low. well, what i am arguing here is that why couldnt god make this knowledge be known to all.. well kafir is only a person who rejects and ignores the truth which was presented to him. but there are millions of non muslims who werent even given the truth for them to choose to be kafir or muslim. i am speaking about them. why couldnt god make them know of his plan when he had the power?



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4.You're doing a false comparison here, you're comparing a mother whos careful,etc with Allah SWT our creator whos not in need of us, infact its a mercy he even created us, he does guide, he does give the message,etc but the lost one, its his fault for not coming to the message and ignoring it all the time because of his own desires.

this point is illogical..  only a person who knows that he needs to find the truth will only search for the truth as i claimed above only a person who knows islam (who knows the truth) could understand and work for it. only a student who knows that he is in a classroom and a test will be conducted in the end, wishes and tries to study. a person without this knowledge will never even try to study. and have you ever read any of these people's scriptures (Sikhism Daoism Shintoism Buddhism) well u wouldnt have read all of them.. because u like all muslims have the belief that we are following the true path.. similarly they do have their belief and they are following it.. only when they come to know that they are not following the true path will make them search for truth outside. so this qustion stands if u really want to keep a test to test them and if u have the real power to gather all those million student, wont u gather them and instruct them?


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5. No it doesnt actually,dont mean to do an ad hominem but you seem ignorant of Islam I mean these all are simple you're basically saying that God should tske our free will away and make us his mindslaves.

well i m not arguing why god cant make all of us muslims. nor am i asking why this test of life. nor my question is why humans were given free will. my question actually is why couldnt god make all of the humans know it clearly that islam is the truth and keep this test of life? or is it all a cooked up story?

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Re: islamic belief fact or cooked up fiction?
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2018, 10:05:57 AM »
@osama inshallah i will follow it next time

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Re: islamic belief fact or cooked up fiction?
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2018, 10:15:29 AM »
@Shahii, black and little blue is fine.  Your post above was ok.  Please do not abuse the bolding and large fonts.

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Re: islamic belief fact or cooked up fiction?
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2018, 12:13:01 AM »
1.) No God doesnt need others, why would God need others? unless if you're comparing God to the Hindu Gods, which means you're doing shirk.
You see God is not like humans, he doesnt have a 'resting point' like us nor does he get tired, if he wants he can create infinite Universes, if he wants he can make Humans into Dogs. that is Gods will.

2.)Because Life is a test, if God made them all know the test, they all would've come to Islam and theres no point of having a test anymore, since there wont be atheists,etc the world has been modernized now theres internet,etc Ignorance is only a choice now. and remember, the Quran is not for everyone, the Quran says it is for those who contemplate. and infact the beggar will have his own seperate test in Qiyamah if he didnt know the test, as I showed in answer 3 in my last post

So no it doesnt falsify Islam at all.

3.)Again, Ignorance is a choice, God has given the Quran out there, if those people know the Quran is there, know that they have to read it, etc but choose not to practice, then that means they're only ignorant.
We already have debaters and Muslim scholars around the world instructing people,teaching people,etc. if these people are too lazy to find the truth, thats their fault.
Infact the standards of truth wary among people, there are different standards of truth,
and many of them can be arrogant standards like the atheist may say Truth is anything that excludes God, so thats why its not fit for us to go around everywhere and ask people for their standards of truth, imagine asking 1 million people for their standard of truth, and most of them with arrogance,

So thats why God made the Quran only for those who contemplate.

5.)This question makes no sense, since the thing is, if God made it clear Islam is the truth, what do you think would happen? everyone would be a Muslim, then the test itself would be falsified and there wont be a test anymore, so no it doesnt sound like a cooked up story.
It is illogical for the teacher to take a test and in the test tell everyone the answers, then the test wont remain, because the teacher already told you the answers and you will write them all down correctly on the paper.

Take this analogy if you will: A Teacher before the tests teaches all her students, the students have the choice to ignore studying and ignore the things she says or to study and follow the things she said.
Now if the student takes the former, he will fail if he takes the later, he will pass.

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Re: islamic belief fact or cooked up fiction?
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2018, 10:07:18 PM »
this is like saying God made a huge mistake letting Satan free in the first place. Or God did not foresee all this when He created Satan.