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Offline Introvert98

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Dear Osama Abdullah
« on: April 27, 2018, 12:10:12 am »
You need to make a correction to three of your articles 

 http://www.answering-christianity.com/is_allah_greatest_of_all_deceivers.htm
 
 

 http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_22.htm
 
Both of these articles claim that Allah "decieves" although the correct term used in the translation is "plotted"; against allahs enemies that is
 
 Chapter 3 The family of Imran سورة آل عمران - Aal-e-Imran: Verse 54
وَمَكَرُوا وَمَكَرَ اللَّهُ ۖ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
Chapter 8 Spoils of war, booty سورة الأنفال - Al-Anfal: Verse 30
وَإِذْ يَمْكُرُ بِكَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لِيُثْبِتُوكَ أَوْ يَقْتُلُوكَ أَوْ يُخْرِجُوكَ ۚ وَيَمْكُرُونَ وَيَمْكُرُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah.
 
There is a major difference between the term "plotter" and "deciever". The latter of which is constantly attributed to Satan within the Quran.
   
Chapter 35 Originator سورة فاطر - Fatir: Verse 5
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّ وَعْدَ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ ۖ فَلَا تَغُرَّنَّكُمُ الْحَيَاةُ الدُّنْيَا ۖ وَلَا يَغُرَّنَّكُمْ بِاللَّهِ الْغَرُورُ
O men! Certainly the promise of Allah is true. Let not then this present life deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver deceive you about Allah.
Chapter 2 The Cow سورة البقرة - Al-Baqara: Verse 9
يُخَادِعُونَ اللَّهَ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَمَا يَخْدَعُونَ إِلَّا أَنْفُسَهُمْ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ
Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!
Chapter 3 The family of Imran سورة آل عمران - Aal-e-Imran: Verse 196
لَا يَغُرَّنَّكَ تَقَلُّبُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فِي الْبِلَادِ
Let not the strutting about of the Unbelievers through the land deceive thee:
   
 
http://www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm


 Also in the article above you are committing kufr by making a claim that abrogation doesn't exist in Islam although Allah SWT has made it concisely clear in the quran.
 
 Chapter 2 The Cow سورة البقرة - Al-Baqara: Verse 106
مَا نَنْسَخْ مِنْ آيَةٍ أَوْ نُنْسِهَا نَأْتِ بِخَيْرٍ مِنْهَا أَوْ مِثْلِهَا ۗ أَلَمْ تَعْلَمْ أَنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?

 So Brother Osama please update these articles so you're not unintentionally blasphemeing Allah
 

 

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Re: Dear Osama Abdullah
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2018, 05:19:37 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum,

Allah Almighty is not a deceiver.  He, however, does lead astray whom He decides to doom to Hell.  He does that but letting the doomed creation be as they want, and the Almighty sometimes even paves the way and/or helps the cursed ones to gain more and more power during their life to cause themselves to fail, and ultimately fall:

www.answering-christianity.com/is_allah_greatest_of_all_deceivers.htm


As to abrogation in the Glorious Quran, the very Noble Verse that you quoted proves there is no abrogation:

ماننسخ من اية او ننسها نات بخير منها او مثلها

"None of Our revelations do We abrogate ماننسخ من اية or cause to be forgotten او ننسها, We bring better than It نات بخير منها or a similar او مثلها...." (2:106)

There is no "but We substitute".  It's a mistranslation of the English for Noble Verse 2:106

"مَا نَنْسَخْ مِنْ آيَةٍ أَوْ نُنْسِهَا نَأْتِ بِخَيْرٍ مِنْهَا أَوْ مِثْلِهَا ۗ أَلَمْ تَعْلَمْ أَنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?"


The accurate translation is:

ماننسخ من اية او ننسها نات بخير منها او مثلها

"None of Our revelations do We abrogate ماننسخ من اية or cause to be forgotten او ننسها, We bring better than It نات بخير منها or a similar او مثلها...." (2:106)



1-  The Glorious Quran has Laws that work for different situations.  They're not abrogations.  They're just different Laws for different situations.  Every single Noble Verse in the Quran stands.  No abrogations.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is a yapping ignorant, for that camp of ignorants can't even agree on which Verse abrogates which verse.  Nothing but conjecture and opinionated garbage.

The Glorious Quran had been perfectly preserved and is perfectly complete:

www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles (see the 1000s of examples in a zip file)
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


2-  The Glorious Quran substituted the previous Laws.  Example: The stoning of the adulterer and adulterous to death.  This is a Jewish Law for married people in the book of Deuteronomy.  The Glorious Quran substituted this with the 100 lashes Law for all situations of zina (adultery and fornication).  The Hadith of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, about stoning the married adulterer or adulterous was during the early days of Islam before the Revelation of the Noble Verses.  The Hadiths are NEVER above the Quran.  If they're both in contradiction, then it means:

(a)-  Either the Hadith was said during the early days of Islam, when Muslims used to get their Laws from the Jews:

‏16:43 وماارسلنا من قبلك الا رجالا نوحي اليهم فسألوا اهل الذكر ان كنتم لاتعلمون

[016:043]  And before thee (thee here is Muhammad) also the apostles We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: if ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message فسألوا اهل الذكر.

Here the Prophet and the Believers were Commanded by Allah Almighty to go back to the Jews' Law if they were in doubt.  The Quran mentions two THIKRS (Laws):

1-  The Thikr الذكر of Moses.
2-  The Thikr الذكر of Muhammad.

There is no third Thikr.  When Islam's Thikr was incomplete, the Muslims were commanded to follow the previous Thikr for a while.  This is covered in details at:

www.answering-christianity.com/deuteronomy4_2.htm  (see sections 2C, 2F)
www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm


(b)-  Or the hadith is a false lie on the mouth of the Prophet, or a misunderstanding:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.  Good points from you.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah